Bungling debt collectors break into Cash Generators instead of ice cream parlour Marianelli Gelato in Southampton

Hampshire Chronicle: Kevin Old outside the Cash Generator store Kevin Old outside the Cash Generator store

THEY were supposed to be forcing their way into a Hampshire ice cream parlour.

In the dead of night and armed with a warrant, a team of bailiffs and a locksmith arrived and began drilling their way through the locks to gain entry.

But within minutes the bungling trio were left red-faced when it became apparent they were in the wrong place – and they’d gone into a pawnbrokers four doors down the road instead.

The drama unfolded in the early hours of yesterday morning and set burglar alarms ringing at the store just down the road from the police station in Shirley, Southampton.

The two debt collectors had turned up at 3.20am, accompanied by a locksmith who drilled through metal shutters of the Cash Generator store and then the front doors.

Last night Kevin Old, the franchisee of the shop, labelled the botched job as “scandalous”.

He told how he had been woken in the early hours of yesterday morning by his panic-stricken assistant manager Scott Swift, who himself had been disturbed because the store’s burglar alarm had gone off.

The papers served to the bailiff company actually related to Marianelli Gelato – further along the busy shopping street.

Yesterday bosses at Alpha Detective Agency who carried out the visit – armed with a forfeiture warrant for the ice cream store – refused to comment on how they got it so wrong.

But Mr Old told the Daily Echo he had been informed that the mix-up stemmed from the bailiffs searching for their target address at 35-37 Shirley High Street by using an Internet map to find it.

Hampshire Chronicle: Marianelli Gelato in Shirley High Street

He told how Mr Swift had gone to the shop in a taxi early yesterday morning – and he then took a cab from his home in Bournemouth to confront the bailiffs.

Realising the mistake, the locksmith replaced the Cash Generator store locks free of charge before they left the area yesterday morning.

‘Arrogance’ But Mr Old, who has had to pay out £150 for cab fares and for new keys, branded the collectors as “scandalous” and said what happened was “disgraceful and appalling”.

He told the Daily Echo: “Bailiffs are arrogant enough when they are taking people’s possessions, but they were still arrogant when they had made the mistake.

“I was in an absolute panic on the way there. My assistant manager thought it was a scam – it was like something you see on television.”

Mr Old said the men initially claimed the mistake was down to lack of numbers on properties, but added: “They had Googled the address and come up with us.

“Surely if you are entering a premises you do more than one check?”

He also criticised police who stood down after inspecting the bailiffs’ papers before Mr Swift arrived to confirm the address.

“The police left – even though they were at the wrong address. It could easily have been a scam and they could have loaded up a van and driven off.”

Hampshire Chronicle: The Cash Generator store in Shirley

Alpha Detective Agency refused to comment last night, or confirm whether the intended target has since been visited.

A police spokesman said officers were stood down having been given an incident number and on being informed bailiffs would be attending an address in Shirley High Street to carry out the warrant.

He added: “The manager of the Cash Generator store contacted us later, initially asking us to re-attend, but following a conversation with officers he realised this was a genuine mistake by the bailiff and did not require us.

“He told us he would take the matter up with the bailiffs company directly and get the new keys from them.”

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10:46am Wed 23 Apr 14

Frank28 says...

Lucky they didn't all get themselves arrested for Criminal Damage!
Lucky they didn't all get themselves arrested for Criminal Damage! Frank28
  • Score: 16

10:55am Wed 23 Apr 14

10 Minute Man says...

Debt Collectors are very different to Bailiffs. The former are typically cheap thugs who are sent to shake money out of people who haven't paid their bills. The latter are more expensive and are supposed to be following a court order. Debt Collectors often try to pass themselves off as being the same as Baliffs but they aren't.

Not saying people should dodge their responsibilities with debts, nor what went on in this particular case.
Debt Collectors are very different to Bailiffs. The former are typically cheap thugs who are sent to shake money out of people who haven't paid their bills. The latter are more expensive and are supposed to be following a court order. Debt Collectors often try to pass themselves off as being the same as Baliffs but they aren't. Not saying people should dodge their responsibilities with debts, nor what went on in this particular case. 10 Minute Man
  • Score: 21

11:07am Wed 23 Apr 14

Bobs Your Uncle ? says...

burglary in any other name.
burglary in any other name. Bobs Your Uncle ?
  • Score: 20

11:09am Wed 23 Apr 14

Superior Being says...

Did the shop names not give anything away?
Did the shop names not give anything away? Superior Being
  • Score: 33

11:23am Wed 23 Apr 14

SPIKEISLANDTRADER says...

Superior Being wrote:
Did the shop names not give anything away?
Doubt they can read , as they are not employed for their BRAIN s
[quote][p][bold]Superior Being[/bold] wrote: Did the shop names not give anything away?[/p][/quote]Doubt they can read , as they are not employed for their BRAIN s SPIKEISLANDTRADER
  • Score: 23

11:34am Wed 23 Apr 14

Brite Spark says...

Must have caused 90p worth of damage.
Must have caused 90p worth of damage. Brite Spark
  • Score: -25

11:35am Wed 23 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

Bobs Your Uncle ? wrote:
burglary in any other name.
How? Do you know what the word actually means? I'm gonna bet you don't.
[quote][p][bold]Bobs Your Uncle ?[/bold] wrote: burglary in any other name.[/p][/quote]How? Do you know what the word actually means? I'm gonna bet you don't. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: -22

11:46am Wed 23 Apr 14

wwozzer says...

10 Minute Man wrote:
Debt Collectors are very different to Bailiffs. The former are typically cheap thugs who are sent to shake money out of people who haven't paid their bills. The latter are more expensive and are supposed to be following a court order. Debt Collectors often try to pass themselves off as being the same as Baliffs but they aren't. Not saying people should dodge their responsibilities with debts, nor what went on in this particular case.
Bailiffs have very little powers unless you let them in and have signed a walking possession agreement, if you don't let them in they are pretty powerless and their fees are set by the court.

These bailiffs either had a walking possession agreement already in place or they were court sheriffs who are a whole different ball game, a lot more expensive and have far greater powers.
[quote][p][bold]10 Minute Man[/bold] wrote: Debt Collectors are very different to Bailiffs. The former are typically cheap thugs who are sent to shake money out of people who haven't paid their bills. The latter are more expensive and are supposed to be following a court order. Debt Collectors often try to pass themselves off as being the same as Baliffs but they aren't. Not saying people should dodge their responsibilities with debts, nor what went on in this particular case.[/p][/quote]Bailiffs have very little powers unless you let them in and have signed a walking possession agreement, if you don't let them in they are pretty powerless and their fees are set by the court. These bailiffs either had a walking possession agreement already in place or they were court sheriffs who are a whole different ball game, a lot more expensive and have far greater powers. wwozzer
  • Score: 4

12:01pm Wed 23 Apr 14

sotonwinch09 says...

Don't see what the fuss is. It was an honest mistake and im sure the company will pay the owner to cover the inconvenience caused.
Don't see what the fuss is. It was an honest mistake and im sure the company will pay the owner to cover the inconvenience caused. sotonwinch09
  • Score: -28

12:03pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Bobs Your Uncle ? says...

Charlie Bucket wrote:
Bobs Your Uncle ? wrote:
burglary in any other name.
How? Do you know what the word actually means? I'm gonna bet you don't.
what time are you on duty ?
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobs Your Uncle ?[/bold] wrote: burglary in any other name.[/p][/quote]How? Do you know what the word actually means? I'm gonna bet you don't.[/p][/quote]what time are you on duty ? Bobs Your Uncle ?
  • Score: 4

12:08pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

sotonwinch09 wrote:
Don't see what the fuss is. It was an honest mistake and im sure the company will pay the owner to cover the inconvenience caused.
Your average Echo Reader(tm) doesn't believe in mistakes. Everything that happens deserves the harshest retribution.
[quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: Don't see what the fuss is. It was an honest mistake and im sure the company will pay the owner to cover the inconvenience caused.[/p][/quote]Your average Echo Reader(tm) doesn't believe in mistakes. Everything that happens deserves the harshest retribution. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: -9

12:09pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

Bobs Your Uncle ? wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
Bobs Your Uncle ? wrote:
burglary in any other name.
How? Do you know what the word actually means? I'm gonna bet you don't.
what time are you on duty ?
About three.
[quote][p][bold]Bobs Your Uncle ?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobs Your Uncle ?[/bold] wrote: burglary in any other name.[/p][/quote]How? Do you know what the word actually means? I'm gonna bet you don't.[/p][/quote]what time are you on duty ?[/p][/quote]About three. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 2

12:14pm Wed 23 Apr 14

SotonGreen says...

I thought baliffs were not allowed to force entry in persuance of debt. If they were acting on behalf of the owner of the property with respect to rent etc then surely they would have had keys ?

Something fishy here ... and why on earth do it at 3:00am ?
I thought baliffs were not allowed to force entry in persuance of debt. If they were acting on behalf of the owner of the property with respect to rent etc then surely they would have had keys ? Something fishy here ... and why on earth do it at 3:00am ? SotonGreen
  • Score: 23

12:15pm Wed 23 Apr 14

pennymiller says...

They broke a lock to get in to somewhere that they had no right to be going into so surely that breaking an entery ....dose what it says on the box ,or are they above the law when they get it wrong
They broke a lock to get in to somewhere that they had no right to be going into so surely that breaking an entery ....dose what it says on the box ,or are they above the law when they get it wrong pennymiller
  • Score: 23

12:15pm Wed 23 Apr 14

sotonwinch09 says...

Charlie Bucket wrote:
sotonwinch09 wrote:
Don't see what the fuss is. It was an honest mistake and im sure the company will pay the owner to cover the inconvenience caused.
Your average Echo Reader(tm) doesn't believe in mistakes. Everything that happens deserves the harshest retribution.
Exactly. Were becoming like the USA where everyone needs to file a lawsuit for compo.
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: Don't see what the fuss is. It was an honest mistake and im sure the company will pay the owner to cover the inconvenience caused.[/p][/quote]Your average Echo Reader(tm) doesn't believe in mistakes. Everything that happens deserves the harshest retribution.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Were becoming like the USA where everyone needs to file a lawsuit for compo. sotonwinch09
  • Score: -1

12:33pm Wed 23 Apr 14

SteveinTotton says...

Is the ice cream any good?
Is the ice cream any good? SteveinTotton
  • Score: 6

12:44pm Wed 23 Apr 14

southy says...

10 Minute Man wrote:
Debt Collectors are very different to Bailiffs. The former are typically cheap thugs who are sent to shake money out of people who haven't paid their bills. The latter are more expensive and are supposed to be following a court order. Debt Collectors often try to pass themselves off as being the same as Baliffs but they aren't.

Not saying people should dodge their responsibilities with debts, nor what went on in this particular case.
Many have acted beyond the law. To many cases now where the Baliffs have been breaking the law to gain entry
[quote][p][bold]10 Minute Man[/bold] wrote: Debt Collectors are very different to Bailiffs. The former are typically cheap thugs who are sent to shake money out of people who haven't paid their bills. The latter are more expensive and are supposed to be following a court order. Debt Collectors often try to pass themselves off as being the same as Baliffs but they aren't. Not saying people should dodge their responsibilities with debts, nor what went on in this particular case.[/p][/quote]Many have acted beyond the law. To many cases now where the Baliffs have been breaking the law to gain entry southy
  • Score: 4

12:48pm Wed 23 Apr 14

sotontotty says...

Good job I go to sprinkles!
Good job I go to sprinkles! sotontotty
  • Score: -6

1:01pm Wed 23 Apr 14

sparkster says...

Nothing like getting it wrong, why not check they have the correct premises (doh), I agree mistakes happen but in my view too many mistakes in different situations, I hope the people do get reimbursed for any damage, they should do
Nothing like getting it wrong, why not check they have the correct premises (doh), I agree mistakes happen but in my view too many mistakes in different situations, I hope the people do get reimbursed for any damage, they should do sparkster
  • Score: 1

1:34pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Bobs Your Uncle ? says...

Charlie Bucket wrote:
Bobs Your Uncle ? wrote:
burglary in any other name.
How? Do you know what the word actually means? I'm gonna bet you don't.
any tips for the 3.30 ? i love a good tip.
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobs Your Uncle ?[/bold] wrote: burglary in any other name.[/p][/quote]How? Do you know what the word actually means? I'm gonna bet you don't.[/p][/quote]any tips for the 3.30 ? i love a good tip. Bobs Your Uncle ?
  • Score: 4

1:40pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

sotonwinch09 wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
sotonwinch09 wrote:
Don't see what the fuss is. It was an honest mistake and im sure the company will pay the owner to cover the inconvenience caused.
Your average Echo Reader(tm) doesn't believe in mistakes. Everything that happens deserves the harshest retribution.
Exactly. Were becoming like the USA where everyone needs to file a lawsuit for compo.
Which is a bit of a stupid idea because, unlike the USA, we don't have punitive damages here.
[quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: Don't see what the fuss is. It was an honest mistake and im sure the company will pay the owner to cover the inconvenience caused.[/p][/quote]Your average Echo Reader(tm) doesn't believe in mistakes. Everything that happens deserves the harshest retribution.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Were becoming like the USA where everyone needs to file a lawsuit for compo.[/p][/quote]Which is a bit of a stupid idea because, unlike the USA, we don't have punitive damages here. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 3

1:45pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

sparkster wrote:
Nothing like getting it wrong, why not check they have the correct premises (doh), I agree mistakes happen but in my view too many mistakes in different situations, I hope the people do get reimbursed for any damage, they should do
From the story:

Realising the mistake, the locksmith replaced the Cash Generator store locks free of charge before they left the area yesterday morning.


He's still currently out of pocket, but I expect even a mild threat of small claims court will rectify that.
[quote][p][bold]sparkster[/bold] wrote: Nothing like getting it wrong, why not check they have the correct premises (doh), I agree mistakes happen but in my view too many mistakes in different situations, I hope the people do get reimbursed for any damage, they should do[/p][/quote]From the story: [quote]Realising the mistake, the locksmith replaced the Cash Generator store locks free of charge before they left the area yesterday morning.[/quote] He's still currently out of pocket, but I expect even a mild threat of small claims court will rectify that. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 6

1:47pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

Bobs Your Uncle ? wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
Bobs Your Uncle ? wrote:
burglary in any other name.
How? Do you know what the word actually means? I'm gonna bet you don't.
any tips for the 3.30 ? i love a good tip.
Don't eat the yellow snow.
[quote][p][bold]Bobs Your Uncle ?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobs Your Uncle ?[/bold] wrote: burglary in any other name.[/p][/quote]How? Do you know what the word actually means? I'm gonna bet you don't.[/p][/quote]any tips for the 3.30 ? i love a good tip.[/p][/quote]Don't eat the yellow snow. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 0

1:53pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Mary80 says...

Superior Being wrote:
Did the shop names not give anything away?
Serves them right trying to enter at 3AM maybe if they did this during daylight they would have realised
[quote][p][bold]Superior Being[/bold] wrote: Did the shop names not give anything away?[/p][/quote]Serves them right trying to enter at 3AM maybe if they did this during daylight they would have realised Mary80
  • Score: 6

2:09pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

Mary80 wrote:
Superior Being wrote:
Did the shop names not give anything away?
Serves them right trying to enter at 3AM maybe if they did this during daylight they would have realised
Serves who right, exactly? The bailiffs aren't the injured party here. Once again in your eagerness to feign outrage and self-righteousness, you've come a cropper.
[quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Superior Being[/bold] wrote: Did the shop names not give anything away?[/p][/quote]Serves them right trying to enter at 3AM maybe if they did this during daylight they would have realised[/p][/quote]Serves who right, exactly? The bailiffs aren't the injured party here. Once again in your eagerness to feign outrage and self-righteousness, you've come a cropper. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 0

2:33pm Wed 23 Apr 14

eurogordi says...

This cannot be a mistake as most commercial addresses also include a company name. Didn't anyone think to look at the sign above the shop? Idiots!
This cannot be a mistake as most commercial addresses also include a company name. Didn't anyone think to look at the sign above the shop? Idiots! eurogordi
  • Score: 13

2:34pm Wed 23 Apr 14

southy says...

Charlie Bucket wrote:
Mary80 wrote:
Superior Being wrote:
Did the shop names not give anything away?
Serves them right trying to enter at 3AM maybe if they did this during daylight they would have realised
Serves who right, exactly? The bailiffs aren't the injured party here. Once again in your eagerness to feign outrage and self-righteousness, you've come a cropper.
Yes they are they do not have any powers at all, and there for must call at the location in reasonable hours, as it is a shop then reasonable hours would be when some one is in the shop, Baliffs are not allowed to enter by using any force want so ever, they have to gain permission first and courts do not give baliffs permission.
On the court oder section 22 (i think) must be rubber stamp and signed by the court, but getting it signed baliffs will find very hard to get as this mean both partys need to be incourt putting there case forward to the judge and way to often for baliffs liking the judge reorders the payments at a lower level and a fix amount to be paid.
Baliffs have been put in for order but only getting it rubber stamp and not being signed by the courts as no legal rights unless you let them in. Refuse them enter and there is nothing really they can do about it.
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Superior Being[/bold] wrote: Did the shop names not give anything away?[/p][/quote]Serves them right trying to enter at 3AM maybe if they did this during daylight they would have realised[/p][/quote]Serves who right, exactly? The bailiffs aren't the injured party here. Once again in your eagerness to feign outrage and self-righteousness, you've come a cropper.[/p][/quote]Yes they are they do not have any powers at all, and there for must call at the location in reasonable hours, as it is a shop then reasonable hours would be when some one is in the shop, Baliffs are not allowed to enter by using any force want so ever, they have to gain permission first and courts do not give baliffs permission. On the court oder section 22 (i think) must be rubber stamp and signed by the court, but getting it signed baliffs will find very hard to get as this mean both partys need to be incourt putting there case forward to the judge and way to often for baliffs liking the judge reorders the payments at a lower level and a fix amount to be paid. Baliffs have been put in for order but only getting it rubber stamp and not being signed by the courts as no legal rights unless you let them in. Refuse them enter and there is nothing really they can do about it. southy
  • Score: 0

2:44pm Wed 23 Apr 14

bobby the crane says...

I believe there has just recently been a new law made against Bailiffs & I think this firm has just broken it this excerpt taken from the new laws attaining to bailiffs rights see below parts of the new Law
If bailiffs get in illegally, for example if they forced their way in or were let in by a child, don’t sign a Walking Possession Agreement or let them take your possessions. Explain to them that you know your rights, that they have broken the law and ask them to leave, politely. Don’t be intimidated by them. If necessary, call the police. When they have gone make a complaint, or consider legal action
I believe there has just recently been a new law made against Bailiffs & I think this firm has just broken it this excerpt taken from the new laws attaining to bailiffs rights see below parts of the new Law If bailiffs get in illegally, for example if they forced their way in or were let in by a child, don’t sign a Walking Possession Agreement or let them take your possessions. Explain to them that you know your rights, that they have broken the law and ask them to leave, politely. Don’t be intimidated by them. If necessary, call the police. When they have gone make a complaint, or consider legal action bobby the crane
  • Score: 2

2:49pm Wed 23 Apr 14

vpharm says...

surprised hampshire police even came out. They are useless!
I had cctv of a COMPANy dumping their waste onto my land & plod said civil matter, My lawyer says it is environmental vandalism, criminal damage etc & still morons at police refused to help.
I sued the company & won & still no apology from hampshire police!

I have virtually given up on teh police as everything is a civil matter with plod or they simply refuse to act in cases of criminal damage!
surprised hampshire police even came out. They are useless! I had cctv of a COMPANy dumping their waste onto my land & plod said civil matter, My lawyer says it is environmental vandalism, criminal damage etc & still morons at police refused to help. I sued the company & won & still no apology from hampshire police! I have virtually given up on teh police as everything is a civil matter with plod or they simply refuse to act in cases of criminal damage! vpharm
  • Score: 5

2:55pm Wed 23 Apr 14

bobby the crane says...

sotonwinch09 wrote:
Don't see what the fuss is. It was an honest mistake and im sure the company will pay the owner to cover the inconvenience caused.
Totally agree with this comment from above

I thought baliffs were not allowed to force entry in persuance of debt. If they were acting on behalf of the owner of the property with respect to rent etc then surely they would have had keys ?

Something fishy here ... and why on earth do it at 3:00am ?

Who can they the bailiffs show there papers to at 0300 hrs ????more than fishy
[quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: Don't see what the fuss is. It was an honest mistake and im sure the company will pay the owner to cover the inconvenience caused.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with this comment from above I thought baliffs were not allowed to force entry in persuance of debt. If they were acting on behalf of the owner of the property with respect to rent etc then surely they would have had keys ? Something fishy here ... and why on earth do it at 3:00am ? Who can they the bailiffs show there papers to at 0300 hrs ????more than fishy bobby the crane
  • Score: 7

2:57pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

southy wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
Mary80 wrote:
Superior Being wrote:
Did the shop names not give anything away?
Serves them right trying to enter at 3AM maybe if they did this during daylight they would have realised
Serves who right, exactly? The bailiffs aren't the injured party here. Once again in your eagerness to feign outrage and self-righteousness, you've come a cropper.
Yes they are they do not have any powers at all, and there for must call at the location in reasonable hours, as it is a shop then reasonable hours would be when some one is in the shop, Baliffs are not allowed to enter by using any force want so ever, they have to gain permission first and courts do not give baliffs permission.
On the court oder section 22 (i think) must be rubber stamp and signed by the court, but getting it signed baliffs will find very hard to get as this mean both partys need to be incourt putting there case forward to the judge and way to often for baliffs liking the judge reorders the payments at a lower level and a fix amount to be paid.
Baliffs have been put in for order but only getting it rubber stamp and not being signed by the courts as no legal rights unless you let them in. Refuse them enter and there is nothing really they can do about it.
Did you even read my post? This in no way even touches on what I said.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Superior Being[/bold] wrote: Did the shop names not give anything away?[/p][/quote]Serves them right trying to enter at 3AM maybe if they did this during daylight they would have realised[/p][/quote]Serves who right, exactly? The bailiffs aren't the injured party here. Once again in your eagerness to feign outrage and self-righteousness, you've come a cropper.[/p][/quote]Yes they are they do not have any powers at all, and there for must call at the location in reasonable hours, as it is a shop then reasonable hours would be when some one is in the shop, Baliffs are not allowed to enter by using any force want so ever, they have to gain permission first and courts do not give baliffs permission. On the court oder section 22 (i think) must be rubber stamp and signed by the court, but getting it signed baliffs will find very hard to get as this mean both partys need to be incourt putting there case forward to the judge and way to often for baliffs liking the judge reorders the payments at a lower level and a fix amount to be paid. Baliffs have been put in for order but only getting it rubber stamp and not being signed by the courts as no legal rights unless you let them in. Refuse them enter and there is nothing really they can do about it.[/p][/quote]Did you even read my post? This in no way even touches on what I said. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 0

3:08pm Wed 23 Apr 14

southy says...

Charlie Bucket wrote:
southy wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
Mary80 wrote:
Superior Being wrote:
Did the shop names not give anything away?
Serves them right trying to enter at 3AM maybe if they did this during daylight they would have realised
Serves who right, exactly? The bailiffs aren't the injured party here. Once again in your eagerness to feign outrage and self-righteousness, you've come a cropper.
Yes they are they do not have any powers at all, and there for must call at the location in reasonable hours, as it is a shop then reasonable hours would be when some one is in the shop, Baliffs are not allowed to enter by using any force want so ever, they have to gain permission first and courts do not give baliffs permission.
On the court oder section 22 (i think) must be rubber stamp and signed by the court, but getting it signed baliffs will find very hard to get as this mean both partys need to be incourt putting there case forward to the judge and way to often for baliffs liking the judge reorders the payments at a lower level and a fix amount to be paid.
Baliffs have been put in for order but only getting it rubber stamp and not being signed by the courts as no legal rights unless you let them in. Refuse them enter and there is nothing really they can do about it.
Did you even read my post? This in no way even touches on what I said.
Look and read the post above yours.

have a chat with 38% they have been on many anti baliffs sit in wanting for them to turn up and to refuse them entery Youtube has a number of such things even the police have turned up got onto the radio and then told the balififfs to move on.
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Superior Being[/bold] wrote: Did the shop names not give anything away?[/p][/quote]Serves them right trying to enter at 3AM maybe if they did this during daylight they would have realised[/p][/quote]Serves who right, exactly? The bailiffs aren't the injured party here. Once again in your eagerness to feign outrage and self-righteousness, you've come a cropper.[/p][/quote]Yes they are they do not have any powers at all, and there for must call at the location in reasonable hours, as it is a shop then reasonable hours would be when some one is in the shop, Baliffs are not allowed to enter by using any force want so ever, they have to gain permission first and courts do not give baliffs permission. On the court oder section 22 (i think) must be rubber stamp and signed by the court, but getting it signed baliffs will find very hard to get as this mean both partys need to be incourt putting there case forward to the judge and way to often for baliffs liking the judge reorders the payments at a lower level and a fix amount to be paid. Baliffs have been put in for order but only getting it rubber stamp and not being signed by the courts as no legal rights unless you let them in. Refuse them enter and there is nothing really they can do about it.[/p][/quote]Did you even read my post? This in no way even touches on what I said.[/p][/quote]Look and read the post above yours. have a chat with 38% they have been on many anti baliffs sit in wanting for them to turn up and to refuse them entery Youtube has a number of such things even the police have turned up got onto the radio and then told the balififfs to move on. southy
  • Score: 0

3:19pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Bally_Hoo says...

The rules are different for Bailiffs entering commercial premises than they are for residential premises, they cannot legally enter a dwelling uninvited, but they can force entry to commercial premises.

In this case, it appears that the Bailiffs are repossing the building itself, this would normally involve changing the locks to prevent the tenant re-entering.

They can do this at any time, as it is not a domestic property
The rules are different for Bailiffs entering commercial premises than they are for residential premises, they cannot legally enter a dwelling uninvited, but they can force entry to commercial premises. In this case, it appears that the Bailiffs are repossing the building itself, this would normally involve changing the locks to prevent the tenant re-entering. They can do this at any time, as it is not a domestic property Bally_Hoo
  • Score: 3

4:05pm Wed 23 Apr 14

mickey01 says...

i hope they got a frosty reception
i hope they got a frosty reception mickey01
  • Score: 6

4:09pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Mary80 says...

Charlie Bucket wrote:
Mary80 wrote:
Superior Being wrote:
Did the shop names not give anything away?
Serves them right trying to enter at 3AM maybe if they did this during daylight they would have realised
Serves who right, exactly? The bailiffs aren't the injured party here. Once again in your eagerness to feign outrage and self-righteousness, you've come a cropper.
Wah your opinion means jack **** to me mate so carry on making a tit of yourself its entertaining
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Superior Being[/bold] wrote: Did the shop names not give anything away?[/p][/quote]Serves them right trying to enter at 3AM maybe if they did this during daylight they would have realised[/p][/quote]Serves who right, exactly? The bailiffs aren't the injured party here. Once again in your eagerness to feign outrage and self-righteousness, you've come a cropper.[/p][/quote]Wah your opinion means jack **** to me mate so carry on making a tit of yourself its entertaining Mary80
  • Score: 1

5:00pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Maine Lobster says...

Apparently this happened in the "early hours of yesterday morning." As it was an ice cream parlour, surley it should have happened on Sundae?
Apparently this happened in the "early hours of yesterday morning." As it was an ice cream parlour, surley it should have happened on Sundae? Maine Lobster
  • Score: 11

5:00pm Wed 23 Apr 14

hmw says...

Charlie Bucket wrote:
Bobs Your Uncle ? wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
Bobs Your Uncle ? wrote:
burglary in any other name.
How? Do you know what the word actually means? I'm gonna bet you don't.
any tips for the 3.30 ? i love a good tip.
Don't eat the yellow snow.
Never stand up in a canoe
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobs Your Uncle ?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobs Your Uncle ?[/bold] wrote: burglary in any other name.[/p][/quote]How? Do you know what the word actually means? I'm gonna bet you don't.[/p][/quote]any tips for the 3.30 ? i love a good tip.[/p][/quote]Don't eat the yellow snow.[/p][/quote]Never stand up in a canoe hmw
  • Score: 1

5:11pm Wed 23 Apr 14

southy says...

Bally_Hoo wrote:
The rules are different for Bailiffs entering commercial premises than they are for residential premises, they cannot legally enter a dwelling uninvited, but they can force entry to commercial premises.

In this case, it appears that the Bailiffs are repossing the building itself, this would normally involve changing the locks to prevent the tenant re-entering.

They can do this at any time, as it is not a domestic property
Can only be done if in the present of the owner and an officer of the law is present and they still need that court order to gain entery and its this part that Judges still need to sign and the clark to rubber stamp it.
[quote][p][bold]Bally_Hoo[/bold] wrote: The rules are different for Bailiffs entering commercial premises than they are for residential premises, they cannot legally enter a dwelling uninvited, but they can force entry to commercial premises. In this case, it appears that the Bailiffs are repossing the building itself, this would normally involve changing the locks to prevent the tenant re-entering. They can do this at any time, as it is not a domestic property[/p][/quote]Can only be done if in the present of the owner and an officer of the law is present and they still need that court order to gain entery and its this part that Judges still need to sign and the clark to rubber stamp it. southy
  • Score: 0

5:32pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

southy wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
southy wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
Mary80 wrote:
Superior Being wrote:
Did the shop names not give anything away?
Serves them right trying to enter at 3AM maybe if they did this during daylight they would have realised
Serves who right, exactly? The bailiffs aren't the injured party here. Once again in your eagerness to feign outrage and self-righteousness, you've come a cropper.
Yes they are they do not have any powers at all, and there for must call at the location in reasonable hours, as it is a shop then reasonable hours would be when some one is in the shop, Baliffs are not allowed to enter by using any force want so ever, they have to gain permission first and courts do not give baliffs permission.
On the court oder section 22 (i think) must be rubber stamp and signed by the court, but getting it signed baliffs will find very hard to get as this mean both partys need to be incourt putting there case forward to the judge and way to often for baliffs liking the judge reorders the payments at a lower level and a fix amount to be paid.
Baliffs have been put in for order but only getting it rubber stamp and not being signed by the courts as no legal rights unless you let them in. Refuse them enter and there is nothing really they can do about it.
Did you even read my post? This in no way even touches on what I said.
Look and read the post above yours.

have a chat with 38% they have been on many anti baliffs sit in wanting for them to turn up and to refuse them entery Youtube has a number of such things even the police have turned up got onto the radio and then told the balififfs to move on.
And this has what to do with my post? I put it to you, southy, that you no longer even read comments. You simply see a username, assume you're going to disagree with them, and construct an argument based purely on what you imagine the comment might be.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Superior Being[/bold] wrote: Did the shop names not give anything away?[/p][/quote]Serves them right trying to enter at 3AM maybe if they did this during daylight they would have realised[/p][/quote]Serves who right, exactly? The bailiffs aren't the injured party here. Once again in your eagerness to feign outrage and self-righteousness, you've come a cropper.[/p][/quote]Yes they are they do not have any powers at all, and there for must call at the location in reasonable hours, as it is a shop then reasonable hours would be when some one is in the shop, Baliffs are not allowed to enter by using any force want so ever, they have to gain permission first and courts do not give baliffs permission. On the court oder section 22 (i think) must be rubber stamp and signed by the court, but getting it signed baliffs will find very hard to get as this mean both partys need to be incourt putting there case forward to the judge and way to often for baliffs liking the judge reorders the payments at a lower level and a fix amount to be paid. Baliffs have been put in for order but only getting it rubber stamp and not being signed by the courts as no legal rights unless you let them in. Refuse them enter and there is nothing really they can do about it.[/p][/quote]Did you even read my post? This in no way even touches on what I said.[/p][/quote]Look and read the post above yours. have a chat with 38% they have been on many anti baliffs sit in wanting for them to turn up and to refuse them entery Youtube has a number of such things even the police have turned up got onto the radio and then told the balififfs to move on.[/p][/quote]And this has what to do with my post? I put it to you, southy, that you no longer even read comments. You simply see a username, assume you're going to disagree with them, and construct an argument based purely on what you imagine the comment might be. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 2

5:36pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

Mary80 wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
Mary80 wrote:
Superior Being wrote:
Did the shop names not give anything away?
Serves them right trying to enter at 3AM maybe if they did this during daylight they would have realised
Serves who right, exactly? The bailiffs aren't the injured party here. Once again in your eagerness to feign outrage and self-righteousness, you've come a cropper.
Wah your opinion means jack **** to me mate so carry on making a tit of yourself its entertaining
What's entertaining is watching you repeatedly invent things to get annoyed at. Criticising posts that don't even exist was quite a stunningly stupid move yesterday, well done.
[quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Superior Being[/bold] wrote: Did the shop names not give anything away?[/p][/quote]Serves them right trying to enter at 3AM maybe if they did this during daylight they would have realised[/p][/quote]Serves who right, exactly? The bailiffs aren't the injured party here. Once again in your eagerness to feign outrage and self-righteousness, you've come a cropper.[/p][/quote]Wah your opinion means jack **** to me mate so carry on making a tit of yourself its entertaining[/p][/quote]What's entertaining is watching you repeatedly invent things to get annoyed at. Criticising posts that don't even exist was quite a stunningly stupid move yesterday, well done. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 2

6:17pm Wed 23 Apr 14

B. L. says...

SteveinTotton wrote:
Is the ice cream any good?
Nah, pretty dank here but further down the road at Marranelli Gelato's it's not too bad at all. :)
[quote][p][bold]SteveinTotton[/bold] wrote: Is the ice cream any good?[/p][/quote]Nah, pretty dank here but further down the road at Marranelli Gelato's it's not too bad at all. :) B. L.
  • Score: 4

6:32pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Stubs says...

Charlie Bucket wrote:
southy wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
southy wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
Mary80 wrote:
Superior Being wrote:
Did the shop names not give anything away?
Serves them right trying to enter at 3AM maybe if they did this during daylight they would have realised
Serves who right, exactly? The bailiffs aren't the injured party here. Once again in your eagerness to feign outrage and self-righteousness, you've come a cropper.
Yes they are they do not have any powers at all, and there for must call at the location in reasonable hours, as it is a shop then reasonable hours would be when some one is in the shop, Baliffs are not allowed to enter by using any force want so ever, they have to gain permission first and courts do not give baliffs permission.
On the court oder section 22 (i think) must be rubber stamp and signed by the court, but getting it signed baliffs will find very hard to get as this mean both partys need to be incourt putting there case forward to the judge and way to often for baliffs liking the judge reorders the payments at a lower level and a fix amount to be paid.
Baliffs have been put in for order but only getting it rubber stamp and not being signed by the courts as no legal rights unless you let them in. Refuse them enter and there is nothing really they can do about it.
Did you even read my post? This in no way even touches on what I said.
Look and read the post above yours.

have a chat with 38% they have been on many anti baliffs sit in wanting for them to turn up and to refuse them entery Youtube has a number of such things even the police have turned up got onto the radio and then told the balififfs to move on.
And this has what to do with my post? I put it to you, southy, that you no longer even read comments. You simply see a username, assume you're going to disagree with them, and construct an argument based purely on what you imagine the comment might be.
You skates.
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Superior Being[/bold] wrote: Did the shop names not give anything away?[/p][/quote]Serves them right trying to enter at 3AM maybe if they did this during daylight they would have realised[/p][/quote]Serves who right, exactly? The bailiffs aren't the injured party here. Once again in your eagerness to feign outrage and self-righteousness, you've come a cropper.[/p][/quote]Yes they are they do not have any powers at all, and there for must call at the location in reasonable hours, as it is a shop then reasonable hours would be when some one is in the shop, Baliffs are not allowed to enter by using any force want so ever, they have to gain permission first and courts do not give baliffs permission. On the court oder section 22 (i think) must be rubber stamp and signed by the court, but getting it signed baliffs will find very hard to get as this mean both partys need to be incourt putting there case forward to the judge and way to often for baliffs liking the judge reorders the payments at a lower level and a fix amount to be paid. Baliffs have been put in for order but only getting it rubber stamp and not being signed by the courts as no legal rights unless you let them in. Refuse them enter and there is nothing really they can do about it.[/p][/quote]Did you even read my post? This in no way even touches on what I said.[/p][/quote]Look and read the post above yours. have a chat with 38% they have been on many anti baliffs sit in wanting for them to turn up and to refuse them entery Youtube has a number of such things even the police have turned up got onto the radio and then told the balififfs to move on.[/p][/quote]And this has what to do with my post? I put it to you, southy, that you no longer even read comments. You simply see a username, assume you're going to disagree with them, and construct an argument based purely on what you imagine the comment might be.[/p][/quote]You skates. Stubs
  • Score: -1

7:47pm Wed 23 Apr 14

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
southy wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
Mary80 wrote:
Superior Being wrote:
Did the shop names not give anything away?
Serves them right trying to enter at 3AM maybe if they did this during daylight they would have realised
Serves who right, exactly? The bailiffs aren't the injured party here. Once again in your eagerness to feign outrage and self-righteousness, you've come a cropper.
Yes they are they do not have any powers at all, and there for must call at the location in reasonable hours, as it is a shop then reasonable hours would be when some one is in the shop, Baliffs are not allowed to enter by using any force want so ever, they have to gain permission first and courts do not give baliffs permission.
On the court oder section 22 (i think) must be rubber stamp and signed by the court, but getting it signed baliffs will find very hard to get as this mean both partys need to be incourt putting there case forward to the judge and way to often for baliffs liking the judge reorders the payments at a lower level and a fix amount to be paid.
Baliffs have been put in for order but only getting it rubber stamp and not being signed by the courts as no legal rights unless you let them in. Refuse them enter and there is nothing really they can do about it.
Did you even read my post? This in no way even touches on what I said.
Look and read the post above yours.

have a chat with 38% they have been on many anti baliffs sit in wanting for them to turn up and to refuse them entery Youtube has a number of such things even the police have turned up got onto the radio and then told the balififfs to move on.
As I've told you before; you know almost nothing about 38 Degrees (not 38%).
I bet you can't provide the link to just one 38 Degrees campaign on the subject of bailiffs - especially sit-ins. Go on, prove me wrong.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Superior Being[/bold] wrote: Did the shop names not give anything away?[/p][/quote]Serves them right trying to enter at 3AM maybe if they did this during daylight they would have realised[/p][/quote]Serves who right, exactly? The bailiffs aren't the injured party here. Once again in your eagerness to feign outrage and self-righteousness, you've come a cropper.[/p][/quote]Yes they are they do not have any powers at all, and there for must call at the location in reasonable hours, as it is a shop then reasonable hours would be when some one is in the shop, Baliffs are not allowed to enter by using any force want so ever, they have to gain permission first and courts do not give baliffs permission. On the court oder section 22 (i think) must be rubber stamp and signed by the court, but getting it signed baliffs will find very hard to get as this mean both partys need to be incourt putting there case forward to the judge and way to often for baliffs liking the judge reorders the payments at a lower level and a fix amount to be paid. Baliffs have been put in for order but only getting it rubber stamp and not being signed by the courts as no legal rights unless you let them in. Refuse them enter and there is nothing really they can do about it.[/p][/quote]Did you even read my post? This in no way even touches on what I said.[/p][/quote]Look and read the post above yours. have a chat with 38% they have been on many anti baliffs sit in wanting for them to turn up and to refuse them entery Youtube has a number of such things even the police have turned up got onto the radio and then told the balififfs to move on.[/p][/quote]As I've told you before; you know almost nothing about 38 Degrees (not 38%). I bet you can't provide the link to just one 38 Degrees campaign on the subject of bailiffs - especially sit-ins. Go on, prove me wrong. freefinker
  • Score: 4

11:33pm Wed 23 Apr 14

DorsetSaint says...

Important Changes to Bailiff Law and Regulations from 6th April 2014
The law relating to bailiffs changed on 6th April 2014.
The main changes are:
Bailiffs will now be known as Enforcement Agents
There is a new fee structure
Enforcement Agents must now follow a three stage process:
Stage 1 – Compliance.
Upon receipt of an instruction, the Enforcement Agent shall give the debtor a minimum of seven clear days notice that a visit will take place to take control of goods.
Stage 2 – Enforcement.
An Enforcement Agent shall attend the premises to take control of goods and undertake activities necessary prior to the removal of goods.
Stage 3 – Sale.
An Enforcement Agent shall attend the premises to either remove goods for sale, or start the preparations for sale if the sale is to take place on the premises. This stage ends when the goods have been sold or disposed of.

New Fee Structure
A new fee structure has been introduced and the fees relating to the three stages above are triggered as soon as each stage begins. These are the Enforcement Agent’s fees, not the Council’s. The fees have been set by central Government and will be periodically reviewed.
Compliance Stage Fee £75.00.
The Enforcement Agent will charge this fee as soon as your debt is passed to them by the Council. The fee is payable for each Liability Order, so the total fee could be much more.
Enforcement Stage Fee £235.00 (plus 7.5% of the value of the debt that exceeds £1,500.00).
This fee shall be charged by the Enforcement Agent when the premises are visited for the first time.
Sale Stage Fee £110.00 (plus 7.5% of the value of the debt that exceeds £1,500.00).
This fee shall be charged when an Enforcement Agent attends the premises to remove goods and make preparations for the sale of goods.
There are additional fees which the Enforcement Agent may charge relating to the removal and storage of goods and locksmith’s fees.
There are transitional arrangements in place for cases already with the bailiffs before 6th April 2014.
Other Important Changes
The new regulations have removed the term ‘bailiff’. Bailiffs are now known as Enforcement Agents.
The terms Levy, distress and walking possession are now known as the process of ‘taking control of goods’.
An Enforcement Agent is permitted to visit your property seven days a week between 6.00 a.m. and 9.00 p.m., excluding bank Holidays and Christmas Day.
Tools used in the course of your work may be removed by the Enforcement Agent if they have a value of more than £1,350.00.
From receiving a case, the Enforcement Agent has 12 months in which to take control of goods. The 12 month period ends if a payment arrangement is made, but begins afresh if the arrangement is broken.
An Enforcement Agent will give written notice to the owner or co-owner of any goods which have been taken control of.
Important Changes to Bailiff Law and Regulations from 6th April 2014 The law relating to bailiffs changed on 6th April 2014. The main changes are: Bailiffs will now be known as Enforcement Agents There is a new fee structure Enforcement Agents must now follow a three stage process: Stage 1 – Compliance. Upon receipt of an instruction, the Enforcement Agent shall give the debtor a minimum of seven clear days notice that a visit will take place to take control of goods. Stage 2 – Enforcement. An Enforcement Agent shall attend the premises to take control of goods and undertake activities necessary prior to the removal of goods. Stage 3 – Sale. An Enforcement Agent shall attend the premises to either remove goods for sale, or start the preparations for sale if the sale is to take place on the premises. This stage ends when the goods have been sold or disposed of. New Fee Structure A new fee structure has been introduced and the fees relating to the three stages above are triggered as soon as each stage begins. These are the Enforcement Agent’s fees, not the Council’s. The fees have been set by central Government and will be periodically reviewed. Compliance Stage Fee £75.00. The Enforcement Agent will charge this fee as soon as your debt is passed to them by the Council. The fee is payable for each Liability Order, so the total fee could be much more. Enforcement Stage Fee £235.00 (plus 7.5% of the value of the debt that exceeds £1,500.00). This fee shall be charged by the Enforcement Agent when the premises are visited for the first time. Sale Stage Fee £110.00 (plus 7.5% of the value of the debt that exceeds £1,500.00). This fee shall be charged when an Enforcement Agent attends the premises to remove goods and make preparations for the sale of goods. There are additional fees which the Enforcement Agent may charge relating to the removal and storage of goods and locksmith’s fees. There are transitional arrangements in place for cases already with the bailiffs before 6th April 2014. Other Important Changes The new regulations have removed the term ‘bailiff’. Bailiffs are now known as Enforcement Agents. The terms Levy, distress and walking possession are now known as the process of ‘taking control of goods’. An Enforcement Agent is permitted to visit your property seven days a week between 6.00 a.m. and 9.00 p.m., excluding bank Holidays and Christmas Day. Tools used in the course of your work may be removed by the Enforcement Agent if they have a value of more than £1,350.00. From receiving a case, the Enforcement Agent has 12 months in which to take control of goods. The 12 month period ends if a payment arrangement is made, but begins afresh if the arrangement is broken. An Enforcement Agent will give written notice to the owner or co-owner of any goods which have been taken control of. DorsetSaint
  • Score: -1

9:32am Thu 24 Apr 14

southamptonadi says...

southy wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
southy wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
Mary80 wrote:
Superior Being wrote:
Did the shop names not give anything away?
Serves them right trying to enter at 3AM maybe if they did this during daylight they would have realised
Serves who right, exactly? The bailiffs aren't the injured party here. Once again in your eagerness to feign outrage and self-righteousness, you've come a cropper.
Yes they are they do not have any powers at all, and there for must call at the location in reasonable hours, as it is a shop then reasonable hours would be when some one is in the shop, Baliffs are not allowed to enter by using any force want so ever, they have to gain permission first and courts do not give baliffs permission.
On the court oder section 22 (i think) must be rubber stamp and signed by the court, but getting it signed baliffs will find very hard to get as this mean both partys need to be incourt putting there case forward to the judge and way to often for baliffs liking the judge reorders the payments at a lower level and a fix amount to be paid.
Baliffs have been put in for order but only getting it rubber stamp and not being signed by the courts as no legal rights unless you let them in. Refuse them enter and there is nothing really they can do about it.
Did you even read my post? This in no way even touches on what I said.
Look and read the post above yours.

have a chat with 38% they have been on many anti baliffs sit in wanting for them to turn up and to refuse them entery Youtube has a number of such things even the police have turned up got onto the radio and then told the balififfs to move on.
YouTube is full of those stories mainly for TV licence offences which is a different ball game.

In the story the bailiffs had a court warrant allowing them to enter the premises. There is no suggestion there is anything wrong with the paperwork.

They can use a locksmith to enter if the premises is empty if someone is in they can't do that hence why they are there at three am.

Court bailiffs do have a lot more powers than debt collectors, but can be useless as we'll.

One tried serving papers on my workplace flow a debt in Liverpool by a different company in the group, my company lawyer threatened with legal action for unlawful entry and stuff, they soon went away. They don't know everything and do make mistakes but they generally know what the court allows them to do even if it's the wrong company/premises .

Back to the beginning they had a warrant from a court to enter then premises which they lawfully carried out on the wrong building. Idiots.

Or are yo suggesting they the legal team who instigated it, the magistrate and the sheriffs don't know the law.

The article is not helped by the daily echo who them debt collectors and bailiffs, I expect they are what was none as court sheriffs, as debt collectors have practically no rights at all, the story does not say what the debt is as that makes a big difference in what they can and can't do.

Council tax they can do a lot. If they are seizing the property back they can break in and change the locks. If it's a debt say for a supplier they can't do much either. This is only my understanding based on the court sheriffs program, real life incidents and watching some YouTube footage. But is more factual than most posters on here you say they can't do that at all.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Superior Being[/bold] wrote: Did the shop names not give anything away?[/p][/quote]Serves them right trying to enter at 3AM maybe if they did this during daylight they would have realised[/p][/quote]Serves who right, exactly? The bailiffs aren't the injured party here. Once again in your eagerness to feign outrage and self-righteousness, you've come a cropper.[/p][/quote]Yes they are they do not have any powers at all, and there for must call at the location in reasonable hours, as it is a shop then reasonable hours would be when some one is in the shop, Baliffs are not allowed to enter by using any force want so ever, they have to gain permission first and courts do not give baliffs permission. On the court oder section 22 (i think) must be rubber stamp and signed by the court, but getting it signed baliffs will find very hard to get as this mean both partys need to be incourt putting there case forward to the judge and way to often for baliffs liking the judge reorders the payments at a lower level and a fix amount to be paid. Baliffs have been put in for order but only getting it rubber stamp and not being signed by the courts as no legal rights unless you let them in. Refuse them enter and there is nothing really they can do about it.[/p][/quote]Did you even read my post? This in no way even touches on what I said.[/p][/quote]Look and read the post above yours. have a chat with 38% they have been on many anti baliffs sit in wanting for them to turn up and to refuse them entery Youtube has a number of such things even the police have turned up got onto the radio and then told the balififfs to move on.[/p][/quote]YouTube is full of those stories mainly for TV licence offences which is a different ball game. In the story the bailiffs had a court warrant allowing them to enter the premises. There is no suggestion there is anything wrong with the paperwork. They can use a locksmith to enter if the premises is empty if someone is in they can't do that hence why they are there at three am. Court bailiffs do have a lot more powers than debt collectors, but can be useless as we'll. One tried serving papers on my workplace flow a debt in Liverpool by a different company in the group, my company lawyer threatened with legal action for unlawful entry and stuff, they soon went away. They don't know everything and do make mistakes but they generally know what the court allows them to do even if it's the wrong company/premises . Back to the beginning they had a warrant from a court to enter then premises which they lawfully carried out on the wrong building. Idiots. Or are yo suggesting they the legal team who instigated it, the magistrate and the sheriffs don't know the law. The article is not helped by the daily echo who them debt collectors and bailiffs, I expect they are what was none as court sheriffs, as debt collectors have practically no rights at all, the story does not say what the debt is as that makes a big difference in what they can and can't do. Council tax they can do a lot. If they are seizing the property back they can break in and change the locks. If it's a debt say for a supplier they can't do much either. This is only my understanding based on the court sheriffs program, real life incidents and watching some YouTube footage. But is more factual than most posters on here you say they can't do that at all. southamptonadi
  • Score: 1

9:35am Thu 24 Apr 14

southamptonadi says...

Sorry the ipad has changed a few words, I'm sure you can work it out
Sorry the ipad has changed a few words, I'm sure you can work it out southamptonadi
  • Score: 0

9:51am Thu 24 Apr 14

cliffwalker says...

The Alpha Detective agency website makes interesting reading - for example, their Locus Reports service to assist with your case in court. I'd be a bit wary of trusting anything they reported about the location of an incident. And then there's Process Serving where they believe it's "as much an art form as a skill". I'm guessing that's to allow them a certain amount of artistic licence in choosing where (and perhaps to whom) they'll serve your documents.
To read their website after reading this news item is like reading a comedy spoof. To cap it all they offer Training for Investigators (yes, seriously). It doesn't say whether they teach you to tell the difference between your arse and your elbow.
The Alpha Detective agency website makes interesting reading - for example, their Locus Reports service to assist with your case in court. I'd be a bit wary of trusting anything they reported about the location of an incident. And then there's Process Serving where they believe it's "as much an art form as a skill". I'm guessing that's to allow them a certain amount of artistic licence in choosing where (and perhaps to whom) they'll serve your documents. To read their website after reading this news item is like reading a comedy spoof. To cap it all they offer Training for Investigators (yes, seriously). It doesn't say whether they teach you to tell the difference between your arse and your elbow. cliffwalker
  • Score: 1

10:19am Thu 24 Apr 14

Graeme Harrison says...

Frank28 wrote:
Lucky they didn't all get themselves arrested for Criminal Damage!
No doubt the free breakfast down at the lodge focussed the minds of the boys in blue on the job at hand (ie, eating as many bacon baps as they could in the shortest possible time).
[quote][p][bold]Frank28[/bold] wrote: Lucky they didn't all get themselves arrested for Criminal Damage![/p][/quote]No doubt the free breakfast down at the lodge focussed the minds of the boys in blue on the job at hand (ie, eating as many bacon baps as they could in the shortest possible time). Graeme Harrison
  • Score: -1

11:06am Thu 24 Apr 14

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
southy wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
Mary80 wrote:
Superior Being wrote:
Did the shop names not give anything away?
Serves them right trying to enter at 3AM maybe if they did this during daylight they would have realised
Serves who right, exactly? The bailiffs aren't the injured party here. Once again in your eagerness to feign outrage and self-righteousness, you've come a cropper.
Yes they are they do not have any powers at all, and there for must call at the location in reasonable hours, as it is a shop then reasonable hours would be when some one is in the shop, Baliffs are not allowed to enter by using any force want so ever, they have to gain permission first and courts do not give baliffs permission.
On the court oder section 22 (i think) must be rubber stamp and signed by the court, but getting it signed baliffs will find very hard to get as this mean both partys need to be incourt putting there case forward to the judge and way to often for baliffs liking the judge reorders the payments at a lower level and a fix amount to be paid.
Baliffs have been put in for order but only getting it rubber stamp and not being signed by the courts as no legal rights unless you let them in. Refuse them enter and there is nothing really they can do about it.
Did you even read my post? This in no way even touches on what I said.
Look and read the post above yours.

have a chat with 38% they have been on many anti baliffs sit in wanting for them to turn up and to refuse them entery Youtube has a number of such things even the police have turned up got onto the radio and then told the balififfs to move on.
As I've told you before; you know almost nothing about 38 Degrees (not 38%).
I bet you can't provide the link to just one 38 Degrees campaign on the subject of bailiffs - especially sit-ins. Go on, prove me wrong.
yea sure you do Freefinker the one that sits at home and do nothing to help others, do your research and prove yourself wrong 38% is only but 1 organisation that as help out on this subject, 38% don't just do petitions they also help to let others know what campaigns are going on and where
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Superior Being[/bold] wrote: Did the shop names not give anything away?[/p][/quote]Serves them right trying to enter at 3AM maybe if they did this during daylight they would have realised[/p][/quote]Serves who right, exactly? The bailiffs aren't the injured party here. Once again in your eagerness to feign outrage and self-righteousness, you've come a cropper.[/p][/quote]Yes they are they do not have any powers at all, and there for must call at the location in reasonable hours, as it is a shop then reasonable hours would be when some one is in the shop, Baliffs are not allowed to enter by using any force want so ever, they have to gain permission first and courts do not give baliffs permission. On the court oder section 22 (i think) must be rubber stamp and signed by the court, but getting it signed baliffs will find very hard to get as this mean both partys need to be incourt putting there case forward to the judge and way to often for baliffs liking the judge reorders the payments at a lower level and a fix amount to be paid. Baliffs have been put in for order but only getting it rubber stamp and not being signed by the courts as no legal rights unless you let them in. Refuse them enter and there is nothing really they can do about it.[/p][/quote]Did you even read my post? This in no way even touches on what I said.[/p][/quote]Look and read the post above yours. have a chat with 38% they have been on many anti baliffs sit in wanting for them to turn up and to refuse them entery Youtube has a number of such things even the police have turned up got onto the radio and then told the balififfs to move on.[/p][/quote]As I've told you before; you know almost nothing about 38 Degrees (not 38%). I bet you can't provide the link to just one 38 Degrees campaign on the subject of bailiffs - especially sit-ins. Go on, prove me wrong.[/p][/quote]yea sure you do Freefinker the one that sits at home and do nothing to help others, do your research and prove yourself wrong 38% is only but 1 organisation that as help out on this subject, 38% don't just do petitions they also help to let others know what campaigns are going on and where southy
  • Score: -2

11:20am Thu 24 Apr 14

southy says...

southamptonadi wrote:
southy wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
southy wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
Mary80 wrote:
Superior Being wrote:
Did the shop names not give anything away?
Serves them right trying to enter at 3AM maybe if they did this during daylight they would have realised
Serves who right, exactly? The bailiffs aren't the injured party here. Once again in your eagerness to feign outrage and self-righteousness, you've come a cropper.
Yes they are they do not have any powers at all, and there for must call at the location in reasonable hours, as it is a shop then reasonable hours would be when some one is in the shop, Baliffs are not allowed to enter by using any force want so ever, they have to gain permission first and courts do not give baliffs permission.
On the court oder section 22 (i think) must be rubber stamp and signed by the court, but getting it signed baliffs will find very hard to get as this mean both partys need to be incourt putting there case forward to the judge and way to often for baliffs liking the judge reorders the payments at a lower level and a fix amount to be paid.
Baliffs have been put in for order but only getting it rubber stamp and not being signed by the courts as no legal rights unless you let them in. Refuse them enter and there is nothing really they can do about it.
Did you even read my post? This in no way even touches on what I said.
Look and read the post above yours.

have a chat with 38% they have been on many anti baliffs sit in wanting for them to turn up and to refuse them entery Youtube has a number of such things even the police have turned up got onto the radio and then told the balififfs to move on.
YouTube is full of those stories mainly for TV licence offences which is a different ball game.

In the story the bailiffs had a court warrant allowing them to enter the premises. There is no suggestion there is anything wrong with the paperwork.

They can use a locksmith to enter if the premises is empty if someone is in they can't do that hence why they are there at three am.

Court bailiffs do have a lot more powers than debt collectors, but can be useless as we'll.

One tried serving papers on my workplace flow a debt in Liverpool by a different company in the group, my company lawyer threatened with legal action for unlawful entry and stuff, they soon went away. They don't know everything and do make mistakes but they generally know what the court allows them to do even if it's the wrong company/premises .

Back to the beginning they had a warrant from a court to enter then premises which they lawfully carried out on the wrong building. Idiots.

Or are yo suggesting they the legal team who instigated it, the magistrate and the sheriffs don't know the law.

The article is not helped by the daily echo who them debt collectors and bailiffs, I expect they are what was none as court sheriffs, as debt collectors have practically no rights at all, the story does not say what the debt is as that makes a big difference in what they can and can't do.

Council tax they can do a lot. If they are seizing the property back they can break in and change the locks. If it's a debt say for a supplier they can't do much either. This is only my understanding based on the court sheriffs program, real life incidents and watching some YouTube footage. But is more factual than most posters on here you say they can't do that at all.
Thats why when baliffs turn up and show the paper work they put there thumb over where the courts signature should be but still allowing the rubber stamp to be showing.
What they had was a rubber stamp bit of paper with no court signature thats all, to get the court signature then both partys will need to appear infront of a Judge, but a Judge is more likely to give the defendant a chance to right the matter by ordering a payment terms agreement and then if theres a default a Judge still only might order the signing of that bit of paper.
If a sheriff turns up then you can safely say that paper is signed by the courts and he will have a police officer with him.
Like I said there are loads of cases on the internet many on youtube where these private collettors have been acting outside the law.
[quote][p][bold]southamptonadi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Superior Being[/bold] wrote: Did the shop names not give anything away?[/p][/quote]Serves them right trying to enter at 3AM maybe if they did this during daylight they would have realised[/p][/quote]Serves who right, exactly? The bailiffs aren't the injured party here. Once again in your eagerness to feign outrage and self-righteousness, you've come a cropper.[/p][/quote]Yes they are they do not have any powers at all, and there for must call at the location in reasonable hours, as it is a shop then reasonable hours would be when some one is in the shop, Baliffs are not allowed to enter by using any force want so ever, they have to gain permission first and courts do not give baliffs permission. On the court oder section 22 (i think) must be rubber stamp and signed by the court, but getting it signed baliffs will find very hard to get as this mean both partys need to be incourt putting there case forward to the judge and way to often for baliffs liking the judge reorders the payments at a lower level and a fix amount to be paid. Baliffs have been put in for order but only getting it rubber stamp and not being signed by the courts as no legal rights unless you let them in. Refuse them enter and there is nothing really they can do about it.[/p][/quote]Did you even read my post? This in no way even touches on what I said.[/p][/quote]Look and read the post above yours. have a chat with 38% they have been on many anti baliffs sit in wanting for them to turn up and to refuse them entery Youtube has a number of such things even the police have turned up got onto the radio and then told the balififfs to move on.[/p][/quote]YouTube is full of those stories mainly for TV licence offences which is a different ball game. In the story the bailiffs had a court warrant allowing them to enter the premises. There is no suggestion there is anything wrong with the paperwork. They can use a locksmith to enter if the premises is empty if someone is in they can't do that hence why they are there at three am. Court bailiffs do have a lot more powers than debt collectors, but can be useless as we'll. One tried serving papers on my workplace flow a debt in Liverpool by a different company in the group, my company lawyer threatened with legal action for unlawful entry and stuff, they soon went away. They don't know everything and do make mistakes but they generally know what the court allows them to do even if it's the wrong company/premises . Back to the beginning they had a warrant from a court to enter then premises which they lawfully carried out on the wrong building. Idiots. Or are yo suggesting they the legal team who instigated it, the magistrate and the sheriffs don't know the law. The article is not helped by the daily echo who them debt collectors and bailiffs, I expect they are what was none as court sheriffs, as debt collectors have practically no rights at all, the story does not say what the debt is as that makes a big difference in what they can and can't do. Council tax they can do a lot. If they are seizing the property back they can break in and change the locks. If it's a debt say for a supplier they can't do much either. This is only my understanding based on the court sheriffs program, real life incidents and watching some YouTube footage. But is more factual than most posters on here you say they can't do that at all.[/p][/quote]Thats why when baliffs turn up and show the paper work they put there thumb over where the courts signature should be but still allowing the rubber stamp to be showing. What they had was a rubber stamp bit of paper with no court signature thats all, to get the court signature then both partys will need to appear infront of a Judge, but a Judge is more likely to give the defendant a chance to right the matter by ordering a payment terms agreement and then if theres a default a Judge still only might order the signing of that bit of paper. If a sheriff turns up then you can safely say that paper is signed by the courts and he will have a police officer with him. Like I said there are loads of cases on the internet many on youtube where these private collettors have been acting outside the law. southy
  • Score: -3

12:35pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
southy wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
Mary80 wrote:
Superior Being wrote:
Did the shop names not give anything away?
Serves them right trying to enter at 3AM maybe if they did this during daylight they would have realised
Serves who right, exactly? The bailiffs aren't the injured party here. Once again in your eagerness to feign outrage and self-righteousness, you've come a cropper.
Yes they are they do not have any powers at all, and there for must call at the location in reasonable hours, as it is a shop then reasonable hours would be when some one is in the shop, Baliffs are not allowed to enter by using any force want so ever, they have to gain permission first and courts do not give baliffs permission.
On the court oder section 22 (i think) must be rubber stamp and signed by the court, but getting it signed baliffs will find very hard to get as this mean both partys need to be incourt putting there case forward to the judge and way to often for baliffs liking the judge reorders the payments at a lower level and a fix amount to be paid.
Baliffs have been put in for order but only getting it rubber stamp and not being signed by the courts as no legal rights unless you let them in. Refuse them enter and there is nothing really they can do about it.
Did you even read my post? This in no way even touches on what I said.
Look and read the post above yours.

have a chat with 38% they have been on many anti baliffs sit in wanting for them to turn up and to refuse them entery Youtube has a number of such things even the police have turned up got onto the radio and then told the balififfs to move on.
As I've told you before; you know almost nothing about 38 Degrees (not 38%).
I bet you can't provide the link to just one 38 Degrees campaign on the subject of bailiffs - especially sit-ins. Go on, prove me wrong.
yea sure you do Freefinker the one that sits at home and do nothing to help others, do your research and prove yourself wrong 38% is only but 1 organisation that as help out on this subject, 38% don't just do petitions they also help to let others know what campaigns are going on and where
So, what have you done then?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Superior Being[/bold] wrote: Did the shop names not give anything away?[/p][/quote]Serves them right trying to enter at 3AM maybe if they did this during daylight they would have realised[/p][/quote]Serves who right, exactly? The bailiffs aren't the injured party here. Once again in your eagerness to feign outrage and self-righteousness, you've come a cropper.[/p][/quote]Yes they are they do not have any powers at all, and there for must call at the location in reasonable hours, as it is a shop then reasonable hours would be when some one is in the shop, Baliffs are not allowed to enter by using any force want so ever, they have to gain permission first and courts do not give baliffs permission. On the court oder section 22 (i think) must be rubber stamp and signed by the court, but getting it signed baliffs will find very hard to get as this mean both partys need to be incourt putting there case forward to the judge and way to often for baliffs liking the judge reorders the payments at a lower level and a fix amount to be paid. Baliffs have been put in for order but only getting it rubber stamp and not being signed by the courts as no legal rights unless you let them in. Refuse them enter and there is nothing really they can do about it.[/p][/quote]Did you even read my post? This in no way even touches on what I said.[/p][/quote]Look and read the post above yours. have a chat with 38% they have been on many anti baliffs sit in wanting for them to turn up and to refuse them entery Youtube has a number of such things even the police have turned up got onto the radio and then told the balififfs to move on.[/p][/quote]As I've told you before; you know almost nothing about 38 Degrees (not 38%). I bet you can't provide the link to just one 38 Degrees campaign on the subject of bailiffs - especially sit-ins. Go on, prove me wrong.[/p][/quote]yea sure you do Freefinker the one that sits at home and do nothing to help others, do your research and prove yourself wrong 38% is only but 1 organisation that as help out on this subject, 38% don't just do petitions they also help to let others know what campaigns are going on and where[/p][/quote]So, what have you done then? Shoong
  • Score: -2

3:40pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Debs1202 says...

Alpha detective agency - they cannot even detect the correct address! The bailiffs were totally wrong as Cash Generator is no 23! The ice cream shop is 35-37!!! They turned up and broke the expensive electronic shutter, BROKE into CG setting off the alarm, they then changed to lock on the door! Now they seem to be uncontactable for the bill of which they caused the property damaging it!
Alpha detective agency - they cannot even detect the correct address! The bailiffs were totally wrong as Cash Generator is no 23! The ice cream shop is 35-37!!! They turned up and broke the expensive electronic shutter, BROKE into CG setting off the alarm, they then changed to lock on the door! Now they seem to be uncontactable for the bill of which they caused the property damaging it! Debs1202
  • Score: 0

3:42pm Thu 24 Apr 14

cornishkev says...

so daft as a carrot half-scraped
so daft as a carrot half-scraped cornishkev
  • Score: 1

9:13pm Thu 24 Apr 14

southamptonadi says...

southy wrote:
southamptonadi wrote:
southy wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
southy wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
Mary80 wrote:
Superior Being wrote:
Did the shop names not give anything away?
Serves them right trying to enter at 3AM maybe if they did this during daylight they would have realised
Serves who right, exactly? The bailiffs aren't the injured party here. Once again in your eagerness to feign outrage and self-righteousness, you've come a cropper.
Yes they are they do not have any powers at all, and there for must call at the location in reasonable hours, as it is a shop then reasonable hours would be when some one is in the shop, Baliffs are not allowed to enter by using any force want so ever, they have to gain permission first and courts do not give baliffs permission.
On the court oder section 22 (i think) must be rubber stamp and signed by the court, but getting it signed baliffs will find very hard to get as this mean both partys need to be incourt putting there case forward to the judge and way to often for baliffs liking the judge reorders the payments at a lower level and a fix amount to be paid.
Baliffs have been put in for order but only getting it rubber stamp and not being signed by the courts as no legal rights unless you let them in. Refuse them enter and there is nothing really they can do about it.
Did you even read my post? This in no way even touches on what I said.
Look and read the post above yours.

have a chat with 38% they have been on many anti baliffs sit in wanting for them to turn up and to refuse them entery Youtube has a number of such things even the police have turned up got onto the radio and then told the balififfs to move on.
YouTube is full of those stories mainly for TV licence offences which is a different ball game.

In the story the bailiffs had a court warrant allowing them to enter the premises. There is no suggestion there is anything wrong with the paperwork.

They can use a locksmith to enter if the premises is empty if someone is in they can't do that hence why they are there at three am.

Court bailiffs do have a lot more powers than debt collectors, but can be useless as we'll.

One tried serving papers on my workplace flow a debt in Liverpool by a different company in the group, my company lawyer threatened with legal action for unlawful entry and stuff, they soon went away. They don't know everything and do make mistakes but they generally know what the court allows them to do even if it's the wrong company/premises .

Back to the beginning they had a warrant from a court to enter then premises which they lawfully carried out on the wrong building. Idiots.

Or are yo suggesting they the legal team who instigated it, the magistrate and the sheriffs don't know the law.

The article is not helped by the daily echo who them debt collectors and bailiffs, I expect they are what was none as court sheriffs, as debt collectors have practically no rights at all, the story does not say what the debt is as that makes a big difference in what they can and can't do.

Council tax they can do a lot. If they are seizing the property back they can break in and change the locks. If it's a debt say for a supplier they can't do much either. This is only my understanding based on the court sheriffs program, real life incidents and watching some YouTube footage. But is more factual than most posters on here you say they can't do that at all.
Thats why when baliffs turn up and show the paper work they put there thumb over where the courts signature should be but still allowing the rubber stamp to be showing.
What they had was a rubber stamp bit of paper with no court signature thats all, to get the court signature then both partys will need to appear infront of a Judge, but a Judge is more likely to give the defendant a chance to right the matter by ordering a payment terms agreement and then if theres a default a Judge still only might order the signing of that bit of paper.
If a sheriff turns up then you can safely say that paper is signed by the courts and he will have a police officer with him.
Like I said there are loads of cases on the internet many on youtube where these private collettors have been acting outside the law.
How do you know there was no signature,

Like I said it all depends who they are and what they were doing. Collecting debt or kicking the tenant out.

But seems that you have all the inside information why don't you share it.

I'll also presume Hampshire constabulary looked at the paperwork and deemed it all ok otherwise they would of arrested them. Or are you gunna make unfounded/proven allegations against the officers
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southamptonadi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Superior Being[/bold] wrote: Did the shop names not give anything away?[/p][/quote]Serves them right trying to enter at 3AM maybe if they did this during daylight they would have realised[/p][/quote]Serves who right, exactly? The bailiffs aren't the injured party here. Once again in your eagerness to feign outrage and self-righteousness, you've come a cropper.[/p][/quote]Yes they are they do not have any powers at all, and there for must call at the location in reasonable hours, as it is a shop then reasonable hours would be when some one is in the shop, Baliffs are not allowed to enter by using any force want so ever, they have to gain permission first and courts do not give baliffs permission. On the court oder section 22 (i think) must be rubber stamp and signed by the court, but getting it signed baliffs will find very hard to get as this mean both partys need to be incourt putting there case forward to the judge and way to often for baliffs liking the judge reorders the payments at a lower level and a fix amount to be paid. Baliffs have been put in for order but only getting it rubber stamp and not being signed by the courts as no legal rights unless you let them in. Refuse them enter and there is nothing really they can do about it.[/p][/quote]Did you even read my post? This in no way even touches on what I said.[/p][/quote]Look and read the post above yours. have a chat with 38% they have been on many anti baliffs sit in wanting for them to turn up and to refuse them entery Youtube has a number of such things even the police have turned up got onto the radio and then told the balififfs to move on.[/p][/quote]YouTube is full of those stories mainly for TV licence offences which is a different ball game. In the story the bailiffs had a court warrant allowing them to enter the premises. There is no suggestion there is anything wrong with the paperwork. They can use a locksmith to enter if the premises is empty if someone is in they can't do that hence why they are there at three am. Court bailiffs do have a lot more powers than debt collectors, but can be useless as we'll. One tried serving papers on my workplace flow a debt in Liverpool by a different company in the group, my company lawyer threatened with legal action for unlawful entry and stuff, they soon went away. They don't know everything and do make mistakes but they generally know what the court allows them to do even if it's the wrong company/premises . Back to the beginning they had a warrant from a court to enter then premises which they lawfully carried out on the wrong building. Idiots. Or are yo suggesting they the legal team who instigated it, the magistrate and the sheriffs don't know the law. The article is not helped by the daily echo who them debt collectors and bailiffs, I expect they are what was none as court sheriffs, as debt collectors have practically no rights at all, the story does not say what the debt is as that makes a big difference in what they can and can't do. Council tax they can do a lot. If they are seizing the property back they can break in and change the locks. If it's a debt say for a supplier they can't do much either. This is only my understanding based on the court sheriffs program, real life incidents and watching some YouTube footage. But is more factual than most posters on here you say they can't do that at all.[/p][/quote]Thats why when baliffs turn up and show the paper work they put there thumb over where the courts signature should be but still allowing the rubber stamp to be showing. What they had was a rubber stamp bit of paper with no court signature thats all, to get the court signature then both partys will need to appear infront of a Judge, but a Judge is more likely to give the defendant a chance to right the matter by ordering a payment terms agreement and then if theres a default a Judge still only might order the signing of that bit of paper. If a sheriff turns up then you can safely say that paper is signed by the courts and he will have a police officer with him. Like I said there are loads of cases on the internet many on youtube where these private collettors have been acting outside the law.[/p][/quote]How do you know there was no signature, Like I said it all depends who they are and what they were doing. Collecting debt or kicking the tenant out. But seems that you have all the inside information why don't you share it. I'll also presume Hampshire constabulary looked at the paperwork and deemed it all ok otherwise they would of arrested them. Or are you gunna make unfounded/proven allegations against the officers southamptonadi
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