Politicians hit out after EU ruling that £17.8m Liverpool Cruise Terminal cash broke no rules

Cruise War 'shocker'

Cruise War 'shocker'

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IT is absolutely shocking.

That was the verdict from Southampton politicians last night after a dramatic European Union ruling granting the public funding of the Liverpool cruise terminal.

In a bitter climax to the notorious ‘cruise wars’ between the two cities the EU Commission last night announced the £17.8m granted to Liverpool to build the complex is in line with state aid rules.

Southampton initially lobbied its rival to hand back the Government and EU money in 2011 – four years after the £21m terminal was completed in 2007.

This followed outrage from Associated British Ports (ABP) which runs Southampton Port and claimed that the private owners of Liverpool Port – Peel Ports – should not receive taxpayer subsidies.

Liverpool has already paid back £8.8m of the £9.2m British taxpayers cash used to fund the project, which was topped up with £8.6m from EU Structural Funds.

Now the EU has said both subsidies meet the union’s transport policy objectives without “unduly distorting” competition in the Single Market.

It is unlikely that Liverpool will be able to reclaim the money it has already paid back.

But Southampton City Council Tory opposition leader Cllr Royston Smith, said: “It is absolutely shocking that the EU thinks it is acceptable for public money to be used in this way.

“This is the worst possible outcome we could expect and really wrong.

“This tells us everything that we need to know about the need to renegotiate our position with the EU or leave it all together.”

But he insisted Southampton will retain its pride as Europe’s top cruise port and said: “Yes it will damage our competitive edge but it won’t knock us off.”

Southampton Itchen MP John Denham, promised to do all he could to challenge the ruling and said: “It’s very surprising that the EU isn’t calling for taxpayers money to be repaid.

“All we’ve ever wanted is a level playing field between Liverpool and other cruise ports in the UK and there shouldn’t be unfair competition.”

The European Commission said the UK carried out an in-depth financial analysis showing that the terminal operator’s income from the use of the infrastructure would be insufficient to cover the investment costs over a period of 20 years.

They stressed public funding was limited to the minimum possible for its completion.

In a statement the Commission said: “The potential distortions of competition triggered by the public funding will be limited because the terminal will have a small market share, both in the EU and UK markets.”

It said the positive effects of the project will “outweigh potential distortions of competition”.

It concluded it was in line with rules which allows state aid for the development of certain economic activities, “provided that it does not unduly affect trade and competition in the Single Market.”

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12:35am Wed 12 Mar 14

in search of the truth says...

9:07pm Tue 11 Mar 14

in search of the truth says...

News just in , Liverpool have won their battle with Southampton over EU funding.

For details see ..............

http://www.liverpool

echo.co.uk/news/live

rpool-wins-battle-so

uthampton-over-68029

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Wakey, wakey " Southern Daily Echo " , I informed you about this at 9:07pm and it's taken you till 12:10am to issue a response, you are terribly slow aren't you just ?

I expect your paper will now be moaning for weeks about this terrible injustice. Move on for everybody's sake.

It's a pity you don't run a massive campaign against your so called editors call for the sale of some of Southampton Art Galleries assets, now that would be a campaign in the interests of the good people of Southampton
9:07pm Tue 11 Mar 14 in search of the truth says... News just in , Liverpool have won their battle with Southampton over EU funding. For details see .............. http://www.liverpool echo.co.uk/news/live rpool-wins-battle-so uthampton-over-68029 84 ******************** * Wakey, wakey " Southern Daily Echo " , I informed you about this at 9:07pm and it's taken you till 12:10am to issue a response, you are terribly slow aren't you just ? I expect your paper will now be moaning for weeks about this terrible injustice. Move on for everybody's sake. It's a pity you don't run a massive campaign against your so called editors call for the sale of some of Southampton Art Galleries assets, now that would be a campaign in the interests of the good people of Southampton in search of the truth
  • Score: 20

6:14am Wed 12 Mar 14

townieboy says...

Share the wealth. May also help the traffic problems around the docks when only 2 ships come in instead of 6.
Share the wealth. May also help the traffic problems around the docks when only 2 ships come in instead of 6. townieboy
  • Score: 14

6:51am Wed 12 Mar 14

Huey says...

Seeing as the port is unable to cope with the ships coming in hopefully this will spread the burden between here and Liverpool.
Seeing as the port is unable to cope with the ships coming in hopefully this will spread the burden between here and Liverpool. Huey
  • Score: 14

6:56am Wed 12 Mar 14

Bobs Your Uncle ? says...

southampton rested on its laurels for years ,the chaos is clear for all to see ,who can blame cruise passengers to now look elsewhere ,bit too late to moan , sour grapes.
southampton rested on its laurels for years ,the chaos is clear for all to see ,who can blame cruise passengers to now look elsewhere ,bit too late to moan , sour grapes. Bobs Your Uncle ?
  • Score: 19

8:04am Wed 12 Mar 14

Birkenheadcommonsense says...

Innacurate and deeply biased reporting as ever on this subject.

The Cruise Terminal is NOT owned by Peel Ports. It is owned by Liverpool City Council so EU funds are not going to a private firm in this case. The main freight docks are owned by Peel and they recieve navitagtion fees etc, but they do not run the terminal.

No mention as ever of public money given to S'ton for its various dock and rail projects linked to the port or that ABP is based offshore to avoid UK tax.

The more S'ton bangs on about this now the worse it will look for them. John Denham hasn't got a chance of any further ruling.
Innacurate and deeply biased reporting as ever on this subject. The Cruise Terminal is NOT owned by Peel Ports. It is owned by Liverpool City Council so EU funds are not going to a private firm in this case. The main freight docks are owned by Peel and they recieve navitagtion fees etc, but they do not run the terminal. No mention as ever of public money given to S'ton for its various dock and rail projects linked to the port or that ABP is based offshore to avoid UK tax. The more S'ton bangs on about this now the worse it will look for them. John Denham hasn't got a chance of any further ruling. Birkenheadcommonsense
  • Score: 18

8:16am Wed 12 Mar 14

elvisimo says...

no point in moaning. I think Liverpool has so far had about £2 billion of eu funding and god knows how much Government funding. It wont stop and it wont change.

the bizarre thing here is the money went to the port owned not by Liverpool City Council, but by a certain muti billionaire tax exile - John Whittaker.

We have people on here saying what a wonderful place Liverpool is . Not surprised with that amount of money being pumped into the place. It has category 1 status basically meaning that it is supposedly one of the most deprived areas in the EU.

If that is the case then why are there hoardings around the old Lewis; departments store in the centre of Liverpool stating that the development (bars, restaurant, cinema etc) is EU funded. - if the area is that "deprived" then perhaps there are other things that the money could have gone on.

Similar story with Sheffield - Category 1 status. - wouldn't have knowing it during the 7 years I lived there.

Not jealous but quite angry.
no point in moaning. I think Liverpool has so far had about £2 billion of eu funding and god knows how much Government funding. It wont stop and it wont change. the bizarre thing here is the money went to the port owned not by Liverpool City Council, but by a certain muti billionaire tax exile - John Whittaker. We have people on here saying what a wonderful place Liverpool is . Not surprised with that amount of money being pumped into the place. It has category 1 status basically meaning that it is supposedly one of the most deprived areas in the EU. If that is the case then why are there hoardings around the old Lewis; departments store in the centre of Liverpool stating that the development (bars, restaurant, cinema etc) is EU funded. - if the area is that "deprived" then perhaps there are other things that the money could have gone on. Similar story with Sheffield - Category 1 status. - wouldn't have knowing it during the 7 years I lived there. Not jealous but quite angry. elvisimo
  • Score: 1

9:09am Wed 12 Mar 14

allstar says...

I am not suprised , I work at the docks and the facilities are at best shabby , The amount of people i see with baggage walking through the docks area with no free bus service to the city , it is a joke as they make their way out of the docks , The impression that we give of this city is appalling , The place is just a complete mess , I have seen many near misses with heavy lorries delivering grain to the solent mill and pedestrians laden with baggage having at times to run the gauntlet , The pavements are in a sorry state ,
Once again we see fat cats making huge profits from people , I hope that Liverpool has got the system right and cares about people.
I am not suprised , I work at the docks and the facilities are at best shabby , The amount of people i see with baggage walking through the docks area with no free bus service to the city , it is a joke as they make their way out of the docks , The impression that we give of this city is appalling , The place is just a complete mess , I have seen many near misses with heavy lorries delivering grain to the solent mill and pedestrians laden with baggage having at times to run the gauntlet , The pavements are in a sorry state , Once again we see fat cats making huge profits from people , I hope that Liverpool has got the system right and cares about people. allstar
  • Score: 20

9:33am Wed 12 Mar 14

in search of the truth says...

allstar wrote:
I am not suprised , I work at the docks and the facilities are at best shabby , The amount of people i see with baggage walking through the docks area with no free bus service to the city , it is a joke as they make their way out of the docks , The impression that we give of this city is appalling , The place is just a complete mess , I have seen many near misses with heavy lorries delivering grain to the solent mill and pedestrians laden with baggage having at times to run the gauntlet , The pavements are in a sorry state ,
Once again we see fat cats making huge profits from people , I hope that Liverpool has got the system right and cares about people.
Southampton could learn an awful lot from Liverpool. We do not take our visitors / overseas tourists for granted, we have trained guides and are proud to help guests to our city , enjoy the sites and attractions we have.

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Members of the MerseyGuides Association are able to plan and accompany tours by car, taxi, minibus, coach and on foot. Tours can be provided both for general and special interest groups. Guides can also be booked to give illustrated talks to groups both within and outside the Merseyside area.

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There is so much history and fine architecture that I defy anybody to say that a visit to Liverpool is boring or mediocre.

The moment your cruise ship approaches the Pier Head and the 3 Graces you know your visit is going to be an enjoyable trip of discovery, so much so that you will want to come back again and again,
[quote][p][bold]allstar[/bold] wrote: I am not suprised , I work at the docks and the facilities are at best shabby , The amount of people i see with baggage walking through the docks area with no free bus service to the city , it is a joke as they make their way out of the docks , The impression that we give of this city is appalling , The place is just a complete mess , I have seen many near misses with heavy lorries delivering grain to the solent mill and pedestrians laden with baggage having at times to run the gauntlet , The pavements are in a sorry state , Once again we see fat cats making huge profits from people , I hope that Liverpool has got the system right and cares about people.[/p][/quote]Southampton could learn an awful lot from Liverpool. We do not take our visitors / overseas tourists for granted, we have trained guides and are proud to help guests to our city , enjoy the sites and attractions we have. ------------------- -------------- Hire your own Guide Take advantage of the expert local knowledge of a trained Blue Badge or Green Badge Guide: a 'MerseyGuide' or 'Liverpool City Guide' registered with the Liverpool City Region Local Enterprise Partnership, wearing a badge recognised by the Institute of Tourist Guiding. Get to know more about Liverpool and Merseyside: past, present and future. Members of the MerseyGuides Association are able to plan and accompany tours by car, taxi, minibus, coach and on foot. Tours can be provided both for general and special interest groups. Guides can also be booked to give illustrated talks to groups both within and outside the Merseyside area. ----------------- There is so much history and fine architecture that I defy anybody to say that a visit to Liverpool is boring or mediocre. The moment your cruise ship approaches the Pier Head and the 3 Graces you know your visit is going to be an enjoyable trip of discovery, so much so that you will want to come back again and again, in search of the truth
  • Score: 16

9:35am Wed 12 Mar 14

andysaints007 says...

in search of the truth wrote:
9:07pm Tue 11 Mar 14

in search of the truth says...

News just in , Liverpool have won their battle with Southampton over EU funding.

For details see ..............

http://www.liverpool


echo.co.uk/news/live


rpool-wins-battle-so


uthampton-over-68029


84

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Wakey, wakey " Southern Daily Echo " , I informed you about this at 9:07pm and it's taken you till 12:10am to issue a response, you are terribly slow aren't you just ?

I expect your paper will now be moaning for weeks about this terrible injustice. Move on for everybody's sake.

It's a pity you don't run a massive campaign against your so called editors call for the sale of some of Southampton Art Galleries assets, now that would be a campaign in the interests of the good people of Southampton
Blimey what a boring individual you are!
[quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: 9:07pm Tue 11 Mar 14 in search of the truth says... News just in , Liverpool have won their battle with Southampton over EU funding. For details see .............. http://www.liverpool echo.co.uk/news/live rpool-wins-battle-so uthampton-over-68029 84 ******************** * Wakey, wakey " Southern Daily Echo " , I informed you about this at 9:07pm and it's taken you till 12:10am to issue a response, you are terribly slow aren't you just ? I expect your paper will now be moaning for weeks about this terrible injustice. Move on for everybody's sake. It's a pity you don't run a massive campaign against your so called editors call for the sale of some of Southampton Art Galleries assets, now that would be a campaign in the interests of the good people of Southampton[/p][/quote]Blimey what a boring individual you are! andysaints007
  • Score: -13

9:39am Wed 12 Mar 14

bluescouse says...

Game over.Now finish your grapes.
Game over.Now finish your grapes. bluescouse
  • Score: 16

10:06am Wed 12 Mar 14

in search of the truth says...

andysaints007 wrote:
in search of the truth wrote:
9:07pm Tue 11 Mar 14

in search of the truth says...

News just in , Liverpool have won their battle with Southampton over EU funding.

For details see ..............

http://www.liverpool



echo.co.uk/news/live



rpool-wins-battle-so



uthampton-over-68029



84

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Wakey, wakey " Southern Daily Echo " , I informed you about this at 9:07pm and it's taken you till 12:10am to issue a response, you are terribly slow aren't you just ?

I expect your paper will now be moaning for weeks about this terrible injustice. Move on for everybody's sake.

It's a pity you don't run a massive campaign against your so called editors call for the sale of some of Southampton Art Galleries assets, now that would be a campaign in the interests of the good people of Southampton
Blimey what a boring individual you are!
No I'm not a boring guy, I'm somebody who isn't afraid to say that they are Proud of their city.

Judging by some of the comments recently made on this papers site, there appear to be a significant number of people who have no pride i]n Southampton and themselves.
[quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: 9:07pm Tue 11 Mar 14 in search of the truth says... News just in , Liverpool have won their battle with Southampton over EU funding. For details see .............. http://www.liverpool echo.co.uk/news/live rpool-wins-battle-so uthampton-over-68029 84 ******************** * Wakey, wakey " Southern Daily Echo " , I informed you about this at 9:07pm and it's taken you till 12:10am to issue a response, you are terribly slow aren't you just ? I expect your paper will now be moaning for weeks about this terrible injustice. Move on for everybody's sake. It's a pity you don't run a massive campaign against your so called editors call for the sale of some of Southampton Art Galleries assets, now that would be a campaign in the interests of the good people of Southampton[/p][/quote]Blimey what a boring individual you are![/p][/quote]No I'm not a boring guy, I'm somebody who isn't afraid to say that they are Proud of their city. Judging by some of the comments recently made on this papers site, there appear to be a significant number of people who have no pride i]n Southampton and themselves. in search of the truth
  • Score: 12

10:09am Wed 12 Mar 14

Rodger the Taxi Driver from Hythe says...

I don't think I've ever seen the words Liverpool and fantastic city together in one sentence before. It's a dump. An utter scum infested dump. It's. It's not a patch on Manchester or Leeds. The only benefit they will be getting is the increased footfall through their train stations as people 'oop north, choose to depart from there as it's closer to home. Horrible city with a massive chip on its shoulder.
I don't think I've ever seen the words Liverpool and fantastic city together in one sentence before. It's a dump. An utter scum infested dump. It's. It's not a patch on Manchester or Leeds. The only benefit they will be getting is the increased footfall through their train stations as people 'oop north, choose to depart from there as it's closer to home. Horrible city with a massive chip on its shoulder. Rodger the Taxi Driver from Hythe
  • Score: -26

10:20am Wed 12 Mar 14

Kingontail says...

Birkenheadcommonsens
e
wrote:
Innacurate and deeply biased reporting as ever on this subject.

The Cruise Terminal is NOT owned by Peel Ports. It is owned by Liverpool City Council so EU funds are not going to a private firm in this case. The main freight docks are owned by Peel and they recieve navitagtion fees etc, but they do not run the terminal.

No mention as ever of public money given to S'ton for its various dock and rail projects linked to the port or that ABP is based offshore to avoid UK tax.

The more S'ton bangs on about this now the worse it will look for them. John Denham hasn't got a chance of any further ruling.
there is a big difference between grants and eu funding (Liverpool) and a loan (Southampton).
[quote][p][bold]Birkenheadcommonsens e[/bold] wrote: Innacurate and deeply biased reporting as ever on this subject. The Cruise Terminal is NOT owned by Peel Ports. It is owned by Liverpool City Council so EU funds are not going to a private firm in this case. The main freight docks are owned by Peel and they recieve navitagtion fees etc, but they do not run the terminal. No mention as ever of public money given to S'ton for its various dock and rail projects linked to the port or that ABP is based offshore to avoid UK tax. The more S'ton bangs on about this now the worse it will look for them. John Denham hasn't got a chance of any further ruling.[/p][/quote]there is a big difference between grants and eu funding (Liverpool) and a loan (Southampton). Kingontail
  • Score: -5

10:23am Wed 12 Mar 14

Kingontail says...

Rodger the Taxi Driver from Hythe wrote:
I don't think I've ever seen the words Liverpool and fantastic city together in one sentence before. It's a dump. An utter scum infested dump. It's. It's not a patch on Manchester or Leeds. The only benefit they will be getting is the increased footfall through their train stations as people 'oop north, choose to depart from there as it's closer to home. Horrible city with a massive chip on its shoulder.
it actually is pretty scummy, I suppose that is why it is listed as one of the most deprived cities in Europe. Still they can keep wheeling out The Beatles and Jimmy Tarbuck as they take a few more billion of tax payers and eu dosh.
[quote][p][bold]Rodger the Taxi Driver from Hythe[/bold] wrote: I don't think I've ever seen the words Liverpool and fantastic city together in one sentence before. It's a dump. An utter scum infested dump. It's. It's not a patch on Manchester or Leeds. The only benefit they will be getting is the increased footfall through their train stations as people 'oop north, choose to depart from there as it's closer to home. Horrible city with a massive chip on its shoulder.[/p][/quote]it actually is pretty scummy, I suppose that is why it is listed as one of the most deprived cities in Europe. Still they can keep wheeling out The Beatles and Jimmy Tarbuck as they take a few more billion of tax payers and eu dosh. Kingontail
  • Score: -17

10:24am Wed 12 Mar 14

in search of the truth says...

Rodger the Taxi Driver from Hythe wrote:
I don't think I've ever seen the words Liverpool and fantastic city together in one sentence before. It's a dump. An utter scum infested dump. It's. It's not a patch on Manchester or Leeds. The only benefit they will be getting is the increased footfall through their train stations as people 'oop north, choose to depart from there as it's closer to home. Horrible city with a massive chip on its shoulder.
What is your problem, is your Taxi stuck in one of the famous Southampton traffic jams again !!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Rodger the Taxi Driver from Hythe[/bold] wrote: I don't think I've ever seen the words Liverpool and fantastic city together in one sentence before. It's a dump. An utter scum infested dump. It's. It's not a patch on Manchester or Leeds. The only benefit they will be getting is the increased footfall through their train stations as people 'oop north, choose to depart from there as it's closer to home. Horrible city with a massive chip on its shoulder.[/p][/quote]What is your problem, is your Taxi stuck in one of the famous Southampton traffic jams again !!!!! in search of the truth
  • Score: 12

10:33am Wed 12 Mar 14

in search of the truth says...

Rodger the Taxi Driver from Hythe wrote:
I don't think I've ever seen the words Liverpool and fantastic city together in one sentence before. It's a dump. An utter scum infested dump. It's. It's not a patch on Manchester or Leeds. The only benefit they will be getting is the increased footfall through their train stations as people 'oop north, choose to depart from there as it's closer to home. Horrible city with a massive chip on its shoulder.
What is your problem, is your Taxi stuck in one of the famous Southampton traffic jams again !!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Rodger the Taxi Driver from Hythe[/bold] wrote: I don't think I've ever seen the words Liverpool and fantastic city together in one sentence before. It's a dump. An utter scum infested dump. It's. It's not a patch on Manchester or Leeds. The only benefit they will be getting is the increased footfall through their train stations as people 'oop north, choose to depart from there as it's closer to home. Horrible city with a massive chip on its shoulder.[/p][/quote]What is your problem, is your Taxi stuck in one of the famous Southampton traffic jams again !!!!! in search of the truth
  • Score: 4

10:45am Wed 12 Mar 14

southy says...

Do any one realise how much money was pump into Southampton docks when it was nationalised and when it was sold off like every thing else it was sold cut price
Do any one realise how much money was pump into Southampton docks when it was nationalised and when it was sold off like every thing else it was sold cut price southy
  • Score: 3

10:54am Wed 12 Mar 14

phil maccavity says...

What a wonderfully bizarre ruling by the EC
Supposedly an 'in depth' financial analysis showed that the Liverpool Terminal operator's income from use of the infrastructure would be insufficient to cover investment costs.(ie no commercial business case could be made to build it)
This is a real slap in the face for every other UK cruise port who have financed cruise facilities using normal commercial arrangements.
EC State Aid rules state that any grant provision cannot be used to help one private business over its rivals.
It seems a coach and horses has been ridden through this provision as all other UK cruise ports have had to factor in the investment costs of their cruise terminals whereas Liverpool's is subsidised by the EC
It is interesting to read that the EC ruled that distortions of competition in the Liverpool grant will be limited because the terminal will have a small market share.
This flies in the face of Liverpool's Mayor Anderson who recently said that the sky's the limit as far Liverpool's cruise aspirations are concerned.
Mind you Mayor Anderson has a bit of form here as he originally said that Liverpool's target as a turnround port would be limited to 6% of the UK market and this is not the first time he has been duplicitous.
Meanwhile the Southern Daily Echo must be delighted to see how many people respond to their cruise related pieces, and especially pleased to hear from those regular visitors from the North West.
Interesting to note that a similar story in the one remaining Liverpool newspaper (The Echo) has received the grand total of two comments!!!!
I guess most of those interested on Merseyside are focussed on the Southern Echo rather than their local paper
What a wonderfully bizarre ruling by the EC Supposedly an 'in depth' financial analysis showed that the Liverpool Terminal operator's income from use of the infrastructure would be insufficient to cover investment costs.(ie no commercial business case could be made to build it) This is a real slap in the face for every other UK cruise port who have financed cruise facilities using normal commercial arrangements. EC State Aid rules state that any grant provision cannot be used to help one private business over its rivals. It seems a coach and horses has been ridden through this provision as all other UK cruise ports have had to factor in the investment costs of their cruise terminals whereas Liverpool's is subsidised by the EC It is interesting to read that the EC ruled that distortions of competition in the Liverpool grant will be limited because the terminal will have a small market share. This flies in the face of Liverpool's Mayor Anderson who recently said that the sky's the limit as far Liverpool's cruise aspirations are concerned. Mind you Mayor Anderson has a bit of form here as he originally said that Liverpool's target as a turnround port would be limited to 6% of the UK market and this is not the first time he has been duplicitous. Meanwhile the Southern Daily Echo must be delighted to see how many people respond to their cruise related pieces, and especially pleased to hear from those regular visitors from the North West. Interesting to note that a similar story in the one remaining Liverpool newspaper (The Echo) has received the grand total of two comments!!!! I guess most of those interested on Merseyside are focussed on the Southern Echo rather than their local paper phil maccavity
  • Score: -6

10:56am Wed 12 Mar 14

bluescouse says...

Rodger the Taxi Driver from Hythe wrote:
I'm currently sat in my car on undercliff drive at Boscome seafront enjoying a weak lemon drink from my thermos enjoying the sunshine (you know that bright ball of fire in the sky that you occasionally see poking through you dreary smog ridden skyline). Boscome, incidentally seems to be stuffed to the rafters with recovering drug riddled Liverpudlians.
Smog in Liverpool?...Your intelligence knows no bounds.Now carry on with your skiving and eat your grapes.
[quote][p][bold]Rodger the Taxi Driver from Hythe[/bold] wrote: I'm currently sat in my car on undercliff drive at Boscome seafront enjoying a weak lemon drink from my thermos enjoying the sunshine (you know that bright ball of fire in the sky that you occasionally see poking through you dreary smog ridden skyline). Boscome, incidentally seems to be stuffed to the rafters with recovering drug riddled Liverpudlians.[/p][/quote]Smog in Liverpool?...Your intelligence knows no bounds.Now carry on with your skiving and eat your grapes. bluescouse
  • Score: 8

11:04am Wed 12 Mar 14

phil maccavity says...

southy wrote:
Do any one realise how much money was pump into Southampton docks when it was nationalised and when it was sold off like every thing else it was sold cut price
Usual positive post Southy,
Come on then, how much money was pumped in exactly??
And, whilst you are researching this tell us how much successive Governments subsidised the Mersey Docks and Harbour Board for decades before writing off £100m of debt in the late 1960's to enable the renamed Mersey Docks and Harbour Company to be listed on the London Stock exchange before being purchased by the multi millionaire, John Whittaker (and Isle of Man tax exile), who ,as owner of Peel Ports will most benefit from the EC Grant aid to Liverpool Port
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Do any one realise how much money was pump into Southampton docks when it was nationalised and when it was sold off like every thing else it was sold cut price[/p][/quote]Usual positive post Southy, Come on then, how much money was pumped in exactly?? And, whilst you are researching this tell us how much successive Governments subsidised the Mersey Docks and Harbour Board for decades before writing off £100m of debt in the late 1960's to enable the renamed Mersey Docks and Harbour Company to be listed on the London Stock exchange before being purchased by the multi millionaire, John Whittaker (and Isle of Man tax exile), who ,as owner of Peel Ports will most benefit from the EC Grant aid to Liverpool Port phil maccavity
  • Score: 4

11:13am Wed 12 Mar 14

Stapleman says...

Oh well, might ease congestion, I wonder if Liverpool wants an ikea?
Oh well, might ease congestion, I wonder if Liverpool wants an ikea? Stapleman
  • Score: -2

11:20am Wed 12 Mar 14

in search of the truth says...

phil maccavity wrote:
What a wonderfully bizarre ruling by the EC
Supposedly an 'in depth' financial analysis showed that the Liverpool Terminal operator's income from use of the infrastructure would be insufficient to cover investment costs.(ie no commercial business case could be made to build it)
This is a real slap in the face for every other UK cruise port who have financed cruise facilities using normal commercial arrangements.
EC State Aid rules state that any grant provision cannot be used to help one private business over its rivals.
It seems a coach and horses has been ridden through this provision as all other UK cruise ports have had to factor in the investment costs of their cruise terminals whereas Liverpool's is subsidised by the EC
It is interesting to read that the EC ruled that distortions of competition in the Liverpool grant will be limited because the terminal will have a small market share.
This flies in the face of Liverpool's Mayor Anderson who recently said that the sky's the limit as far Liverpool's cruise aspirations are concerned.
Mind you Mayor Anderson has a bit of form here as he originally said that Liverpool's target as a turnround port would be limited to 6% of the UK market and this is not the first time he has been duplicitous.
Meanwhile the Southern Daily Echo must be delighted to see how many people respond to their cruise related pieces, and especially pleased to hear from those regular visitors from the North West.
Interesting to note that a similar story in the one remaining Liverpool newspaper (The Echo) has received the grand total of two comments!!!!
I guess most of those interested on Merseyside are focussed on the Southern Echo rather than their local paper
It is not a cruise terminal it is a floating landing stage, please get your facts right. The cruise terminal will shortly open in " The Cunard Building " .

The story first broke yesterday evening in the Liverpool Echo and I posted the news on this site at 9:07pm last night. It took the Southern Daily Echo until 12:10am this morning to write about it. It didn't get a comment here until after 6am this morning, obviously your posters were in a state of shock.

There are few comments in Liverpool as the matter is now closed, but of course the Southern Daily Echo will be making a meal of this issue for years to come.

As I have previously stated ..........

It's a pity you don't run a massive campaign against your so called editors call for the sale of some of Southampton Art Galleries assets, now that would be a campaign in the interests of the good people of Southampton
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: What a wonderfully bizarre ruling by the EC Supposedly an 'in depth' financial analysis showed that the Liverpool Terminal operator's income from use of the infrastructure would be insufficient to cover investment costs.(ie no commercial business case could be made to build it) This is a real slap in the face for every other UK cruise port who have financed cruise facilities using normal commercial arrangements. EC State Aid rules state that any grant provision cannot be used to help one private business over its rivals. It seems a coach and horses has been ridden through this provision as all other UK cruise ports have had to factor in the investment costs of their cruise terminals whereas Liverpool's is subsidised by the EC It is interesting to read that the EC ruled that distortions of competition in the Liverpool grant will be limited because the terminal will have a small market share. This flies in the face of Liverpool's Mayor Anderson who recently said that the sky's the limit as far Liverpool's cruise aspirations are concerned. Mind you Mayor Anderson has a bit of form here as he originally said that Liverpool's target as a turnround port would be limited to 6% of the UK market and this is not the first time he has been duplicitous. Meanwhile the Southern Daily Echo must be delighted to see how many people respond to their cruise related pieces, and especially pleased to hear from those regular visitors from the North West. Interesting to note that a similar story in the one remaining Liverpool newspaper (The Echo) has received the grand total of two comments!!!! I guess most of those interested on Merseyside are focussed on the Southern Echo rather than their local paper[/p][/quote]It is not a cruise terminal it is a floating landing stage, please get your facts right. The cruise terminal will shortly open in " The Cunard Building " . The story first broke yesterday evening in the Liverpool Echo and I posted the news on this site at 9:07pm last night. It took the Southern Daily Echo until 12:10am this morning to write about it. It didn't get a comment here until after 6am this morning, obviously your posters were in a state of shock. There are few comments in Liverpool as the matter is now closed, but of course the Southern Daily Echo will be making a meal of this issue for years to come. As I have previously stated .......... It's a pity you don't run a massive campaign against your so called editors call for the sale of some of Southampton Art Galleries assets, now that would be a campaign in the interests of the good people of Southampton in search of the truth
  • Score: 10

11:31am Wed 12 Mar 14

SilvanDryad says...

Liverpool is much more deprived than Southampton. Their population is dropping as the educated, ambitious young people leave.
Did nobody see Evan Davis's "Mind the Gap" programmes about divided Britain? There were shots of boarded up terraces in Liverpool (including Ringo's childhood home), the like of which don't exist in this city.
Liverpool is much more deprived than Southampton. Their population is dropping as the educated, ambitious young people leave. Did nobody see Evan Davis's "Mind the Gap" programmes about divided Britain? There were shots of boarded up terraces in Liverpool (including Ringo's childhood home), the like of which don't exist in this city. SilvanDryad
  • Score: -11

11:39am Wed 12 Mar 14

in search of the truth says...

Stapleman wrote:
Oh well, might ease congestion, I wonder if Liverpool wants an ikea?
The first Ikea store in the UK was built just outside Liverpool, in Warrington in1987.

I don't particularly like Ikea, the way they physiologically force you to through a marathon one way route through the store, puts me off although some of their items are interesting

I much prefer Clas Ohlson . we have one in the city centre, oop's I should of realised Southampton doesn't have one of their stores.
[quote][p][bold]Stapleman[/bold] wrote: Oh well, might ease congestion, I wonder if Liverpool wants an ikea?[/p][/quote]The first Ikea store in the UK was built just outside Liverpool, in Warrington in1987. I don't particularly like Ikea, the way they physiologically force you to through a marathon one way route through the store, puts me off although some of their items are interesting I much prefer Clas Ohlson . we have one in the city centre, oop's I should of realised Southampton doesn't have one of their stores. in search of the truth
  • Score: 7

11:47am Wed 12 Mar 14

in search of the truth says...

Sorry about the error, I meant PSYCHOLOGICALLY ...........

Stapleman wrote:
Oh well, might ease congestion, I wonder if Liverpool wants an ikea?

The first Ikea store in the UK was built just outside Liverpool, in Warrington in1987.

I don't particularly like Ikea, the way they PSYCHOLOGICALLY force you to through a marathon one way route through the store, puts me off although some of their items are interesting

I much prefer Clas Ohlson . we have one in the city centre, oop's I should of realised Southampton doesn't have one of their stores.
Sorry about the error, I meant PSYCHOLOGICALLY ........... Stapleman wrote: Oh well, might ease congestion, I wonder if Liverpool wants an ikea? The first Ikea store in the UK was built just outside Liverpool, in Warrington in1987. I don't particularly like Ikea, the way they PSYCHOLOGICALLY force you to through a marathon one way route through the store, puts me off although some of their items are interesting I much prefer Clas Ohlson . we have one in the city centre, oop's I should of realised Southampton doesn't have one of their stores. in search of the truth
  • Score: 2

12:00pm Wed 12 Mar 14

SFC-Matt says...

All of these comments are irrelevant. The cruise companies do not care about facilities, transport etc. in Southampton/Liverpoo
l. Their only motivation is making a profit. It is much more profitable to start and end a cruise in Southampton where the infrastructure to support these ships is already in place. It also eliminates the need for an extra undesirable and unprofitable sea day which would be the case if the ship had turnarounds in Liverpool.
This decision will affect Southampton negligibly.
All of these comments are irrelevant. The cruise companies do not care about facilities, transport etc. in Southampton/Liverpoo l. Their only motivation is making a profit. It is much more profitable to start and end a cruise in Southampton where the infrastructure to support these ships is already in place. It also eliminates the need for an extra undesirable and unprofitable sea day which would be the case if the ship had turnarounds in Liverpool. This decision will affect Southampton negligibly. SFC-Matt
  • Score: -8

12:14pm Wed 12 Mar 14

in search of the truth says...

SilvanDryad wrote:
Liverpool is much more deprived than Southampton. Their population is dropping as the educated, ambitious young people leave.
Did nobody see Evan Davis's "Mind the Gap" programmes about divided Britain? There were shots of boarded up terraces in Liverpool (including Ringo's childhood home), the like of which don't exist in this city.
If you are going to make statements please get your facts right.

LIVERPOOL’S population has grown by 5.5% in the past decade and now stands at 466,400.

The Office for National Statistics said the population of the North West grew by 4% between the census of 2001 and 2011, with England and Wales’s up 7.1%.
[quote][p][bold]SilvanDryad[/bold] wrote: Liverpool is much more deprived than Southampton. Their population is dropping as the educated, ambitious young people leave. Did nobody see Evan Davis's "Mind the Gap" programmes about divided Britain? There were shots of boarded up terraces in Liverpool (including Ringo's childhood home), the like of which don't exist in this city.[/p][/quote]If you are going to make statements please get your facts right. LIVERPOOL’S population has grown by 5.5% in the past decade and now stands at 466,400. The Office for National Statistics said the population of the North West grew by 4% between the census of 2001 and 2011, with England and Wales’s up 7.1%. in search of the truth
  • Score: 14

12:25pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Bobs Your Uncle ? says...

SilvanDryad wrote:
Liverpool is much more deprived than Southampton. Their population is dropping as the educated, ambitious young people leave.
Did nobody see Evan Davis's "Mind the Gap" programmes about divided Britain? There were shots of boarded up terraces in Liverpool (including Ringo's childhood home), the like of which don't exist in this city.
Not yet !!!!
[quote][p][bold]SilvanDryad[/bold] wrote: Liverpool is much more deprived than Southampton. Their population is dropping as the educated, ambitious young people leave. Did nobody see Evan Davis's "Mind the Gap" programmes about divided Britain? There were shots of boarded up terraces in Liverpool (including Ringo's childhood home), the like of which don't exist in this city.[/p][/quote]Not yet !!!! Bobs Your Uncle ?
  • Score: 4

12:30pm Wed 12 Mar 14

loosehead says...

I can't believe the idiots who say it would be good news for Southampton to lose ships so they can drive around a deserted city as there are no jobs & hotels are shutting as there are not enough tourists to fill them!
I would take alternative routes but townie boy & Huey your idiots you think you & you alone have the rights to drive where you want & can't use your brains to come into the city in an alternative way why not?
I can't believe the idiots who say it would be good news for Southampton to lose ships so they can drive around a deserted city as there are no jobs & hotels are shutting as there are not enough tourists to fill them! I would take alternative routes but townie boy & Huey your idiots you think you & you alone have the rights to drive where you want & can't use your brains to come into the city in an alternative way why not? loosehead
  • Score: 1

12:36pm Wed 12 Mar 14

in search of the truth says...

Here is some breaking news about cruises from Liverpool in 2015.

Princess Cruises’ biggest ever ship will visit Liverpool six times next year

Liverpool's growing importance in the world cruise market was confirmed by news that Princess Cruises’ biggest ship ever will visit the city six times next year.

The nearly-new 141,000 gross ton megaliner, which is the world’s sixth largest passenger ship, was named by the Duchess of Cambridge, last June.

The six calls in 2015 by Royal Princess at Liverpool Cruise Terminal will increase Princess Cruises’ regular summer appearances from line’s current four annual visits.

This means not only a 50 per increase in visits by the company, but Royal Princess’s passenger capacity at 3,600 berths is almost 600 berths more than its Grand class liners’ 3,020 berths, which currently serve Liverpool.

That will be a possible total of 21,600 passengers disgorged into Liverpool over summer 2015 by this one liner alone, whereas the Grand class liners’ four visits bring a maximum of 12,080 passengers each year.

For the full story see--------

http://www.liverpool
echo.co.uk/news/live
rpool-news/royal-pri
ncess-liverpool-prin
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Here is some breaking news about cruises from Liverpool in 2015. Princess Cruises’ biggest ever ship will visit Liverpool six times next year Liverpool's growing importance in the world cruise market was confirmed by news that Princess Cruises’ biggest ship ever will visit the city six times next year. The nearly-new 141,000 gross ton megaliner, which is the world’s sixth largest passenger ship, was named by the Duchess of Cambridge, last June. The six calls in 2015 by Royal Princess at Liverpool Cruise Terminal will increase Princess Cruises’ regular summer appearances from line’s current four annual visits. This means not only a 50 per increase in visits by the company, but Royal Princess’s passenger capacity at 3,600 berths is almost 600 berths more than its Grand class liners’ 3,020 berths, which currently serve Liverpool. That will be a possible total of 21,600 passengers disgorged into Liverpool over summer 2015 by this one liner alone, whereas the Grand class liners’ four visits bring a maximum of 12,080 passengers each year. For the full story see-------- http://www.liverpool echo.co.uk/news/live rpool-news/royal-pri ncess-liverpool-prin cess-cruises-6805018 in search of the truth
  • Score: 1

1:49pm Wed 12 Mar 14

arizonan says...

Tell me, how many cruise industry jobs have been lost in Southampton as a result of Liverpool having turnaround status???
If you take the time and really read the judgement, that is what it says.
NO EFFECT ON SOUTHAMPTON.
Tell me, how many cruise industry jobs have been lost in Southampton as a result of Liverpool having turnaround status??? If you take the time and really read the judgement, that is what it says. NO EFFECT ON SOUTHAMPTON. arizonan
  • Score: 3

2:01pm Wed 12 Mar 14

in search of the truth says...

SFC-Matt wrote:
Anyway, Liverpool is still a sh1thole.
I Hope this wasn't written as a gentleman from Southampton, because your fellow citizens are probably ashamed of you for using such nasty language.

I'm sure that if you are still at home with your parents, they will be very ashamed of you and will probably ground you for a week or two
[quote][p][bold]SFC-Matt[/bold] wrote: Anyway, Liverpool is still a sh1thole.[/p][/quote]I Hope this wasn't written as a gentleman from Southampton, because your fellow citizens are probably ashamed of you for using such nasty language. I'm sure that if you are still at home with your parents, they will be very ashamed of you and will probably ground you for a week or two in search of the truth
  • Score: 8

2:04pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Who's laughing now says...

Ho ho ho it's hilarious, my smug factor is off the scale, you got your arses well and truly kicked AGAIN. Trot out all the stereotypes you want, it's just a reflection of your bitterness. Thanks for the constant entertainment over the last few years. It's a great day for our UNESCO World Heritage city, now back to your miserable lives in your one trick pony of a city. Muhahaha.
Ho ho ho it's hilarious, my smug factor is off the scale, you got your arses well and truly kicked AGAIN. Trot out all the stereotypes you want, it's just a reflection of your bitterness. Thanks for the constant entertainment over the last few years. It's a great day for our UNESCO World Heritage city, now back to your miserable lives in your one trick pony of a city. Muhahaha. Who's laughing now
  • Score: 5

2:56pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Who's laughing now says...

Liverpool Mayor and Peel bosses in talks with Chinese businessman over Merseyside investment

Liverpool's Mayor Joe Anderson and bosses from Port of Liverpool owner Peel have held top-level discussions this week with a senior Chinese businessman over possible investment into Merseyside.

Mayor Anderson met with Dai Bin Bin, chief executive of the Beijing Construction Company, and told him about the multi-billion pound Liverpool and Wirral Waters schemes.

Also in the room was Lyndsey Ashworth, development director at Peel, who is overseeing the projects that are worth a combined £10.1bn and will see the creation of residential and commercial space on both sides of the River Mersey.

The meeting took place in Cannes on the French Riviera where the giant MIPIM international property and investment festival is taking place.

Mayor Anderson has joined a private sector-led and funded Liverpool delegation to the event where they hope to woo investors from across the globe.

The Beijing Construction Company is owned and operated by the regional government and as a result of this week’s meeting, Mayor Anderson says the Mayor of Beijing is now looking to re-arrange his busy schedule so he can attend Liverpool’s International Festival for Business (IFB) this summer.

He told the ECHO: “The meeting went really well. Mr Bin Bin has very close links with the Mayor of Beijing and he gave us some very positive signals.

“We talked about Liverpool and Wirral Waters and he wants to use his influence and his clout to showcase what we have on offer to construction companies and other businesses in China.

“I was delighted with his interest and enthusiasm for what we had to say.

“We will build on that relationship. He has invited me and a team to go to Beijing as well and he is talking about bringing a delegation to the IFB.

“This is what it is all about. You can’t just go with the begging bowl and expect things to happen overnight. You have to build up the trust.”

Mr Ashworth has already been in discussions for some time with another group of potential Chinese investors and he told the ECHO those discussions were “going very well”.

He said: “It is a slow process. People expect it to happen overnight but it doesn’t and we are being very patient and persevering to make sure it happens - and it will happen.”

Prior to the meeting with the Chinese, Mayor Anderson had taken part in a discussion in front of an audience of business people alongside Sir Howard Bernstein, chief executive of Manchester City Council.

The two leaders pledged to work more closely together for the benefit of the whole North West region during the event, entitled “Back to the Future” which was chaired by Baroness Susan Williams, chair of Atlantic Gateway.

Mayor Anderson told the ECHO: “The old perception of an antagonistic relationship between Liverpool and Manchester is a nonsense.

“Of course we will be competitive but that does not mean we cannot have a productive and fruitful relationship. United we can achieve more than divided.”
Liverpool Mayor and Peel bosses in talks with Chinese businessman over Merseyside investment Liverpool's Mayor Joe Anderson and bosses from Port of Liverpool owner Peel have held top-level discussions this week with a senior Chinese businessman over possible investment into Merseyside. Mayor Anderson met with Dai Bin Bin, chief executive of the Beijing Construction Company, and told him about the multi-billion pound Liverpool and Wirral Waters schemes. Also in the room was Lyndsey Ashworth, development director at Peel, who is overseeing the projects that are worth a combined £10.1bn and will see the creation of residential and commercial space on both sides of the River Mersey. The meeting took place in Cannes on the French Riviera where the giant MIPIM international property and investment festival is taking place. Mayor Anderson has joined a private sector-led and funded Liverpool delegation to the event where they hope to woo investors from across the globe. The Beijing Construction Company is owned and operated by the regional government and as a result of this week’s meeting, Mayor Anderson says the Mayor of Beijing is now looking to re-arrange his busy schedule so he can attend Liverpool’s International Festival for Business (IFB) this summer. He told the ECHO: “The meeting went really well. Mr Bin Bin has very close links with the Mayor of Beijing and he gave us some very positive signals. “We talked about Liverpool and Wirral Waters and he wants to use his influence and his clout to showcase what we have on offer to construction companies and other businesses in China. “I was delighted with his interest and enthusiasm for what we had to say. “We will build on that relationship. He has invited me and a team to go to Beijing as well and he is talking about bringing a delegation to the IFB. “This is what it is all about. You can’t just go with the begging bowl and expect things to happen overnight. You have to build up the trust.” Mr Ashworth has already been in discussions for some time with another group of potential Chinese investors and he told the ECHO those discussions were “going very well”. He said: “It is a slow process. People expect it to happen overnight but it doesn’t and we are being very patient and persevering to make sure it happens - and it will happen.” Prior to the meeting with the Chinese, Mayor Anderson had taken part in a discussion in front of an audience of business people alongside Sir Howard Bernstein, chief executive of Manchester City Council. The two leaders pledged to work more closely together for the benefit of the whole North West region during the event, entitled “Back to the Future” which was chaired by Baroness Susan Williams, chair of Atlantic Gateway. Mayor Anderson told the ECHO: “The old perception of an antagonistic relationship between Liverpool and Manchester is a nonsense. “Of course we will be competitive but that does not mean we cannot have a productive and fruitful relationship. United we can achieve more than divided.” Who's laughing now
  • Score: 4

3:01pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Who's laughing now says...

The International Festival for Business (IFB) 2014 is the largest global concentration of business events during 2014. The 50-day festival runs across 7 weeks in June and July and will attract business delegates and trade intermediaries from around the world.

IFB 2014 offers you the choice of more than 150 business-focused events of all shapes and sizes, spanning seven broad IFB 2014 themes:

Cities, Enterprise and Urban Business
Creative and Digital Industries
Financial and Professional Services
Higher/Further Education and Research
Low Carbon and Renewables
Manufacturing, Science and Technology
Maritime, Port and Logistics

IFB 2014 is very ambitious. It is a key part of the government's target of rebalancing the economy and achieving its export and investment objectives.

A festival like this has never been held before. IFB 2014 isn’t a talking shop - it’s a chance for you to develop your business. We are placing an explicit focus on creating new international and domestic business-to-business relationships and commercial openings for small, medium and large UK companies.
A different kind of business trip

As part of this once in-a-generation business festival experience, we’re also putting on a fantastic Cultural Programme (IFB Culture) to entertain you during your stay in Liverpool.

We really want you to enjoy your time at IFB 2014. Your Host City: Liverpool is creative, vibrant and culturally rich with something for everyone, whatever your age or interests; why not bring your family or friends and turn your IFB 2014 business trip into a ‘working city break to remember?

Find out more about the IFB Cultural Programme
Find out more about your Host City: Liverpool

What you can expect at IFB 2014

More than 150 business-focused events in Liverpool and across the North of England during June and July 2014. Events on offer range from major international conventions, exhibitions and conferences, to product/process launches and demonstrations, master-classes, seminars, and workshops, awards ceremonies, dinners, business breakfasts and a host of ‘meet the buyer’ events. Take a look at the IFB 2014 Events Calendar
At each event meet exhibiting companies, experts, trade bodies, intermediaries and delegates and find new ideas and contacts to help develop your business and trade
Hear from pioneers of business from every industry and level in the UK and beyond
Enjoy art galleries, museums, theatres, festivals, music, and sport as part of your IFB 2014 itinerary.
Access a wide range of high-value services, facilities and business opportunities available for free during the festival, including those on offer within the IFB Hub, located at the heart of Liverpool’s historic waterfront*
An opportunity to be matched up with potential customers, suppliers and investors through IFB 2014’s free business brokerage service*
Access to numerous individual IFB 2014 events with an explicit focus on ‘meet the buyer’ (both UK and international) and on brokering new B2B contacts, e.g. UKTI’s seven target market events focusing on Africa, Benelux/EU, China/Hong Kong, India, Latin America, South East Asia and the US*
Trade delegations and international buyers from around the world in and around the IFB Hub and associated introductions to potential international investors and supply partners*
B2B meeting slots with senior buyers from more than 20 of the largest corporates in the UK*
Access to UK and International business opportunities ‘bulletin boards’*
Bringing together UK and international customers, agents, joint venture partners, suppliers, outsourcing or investment opportunities*


http://www.ifb2014.c
om/
The International Festival for Business (IFB) 2014 is the largest global concentration of business events during 2014. The 50-day festival runs across 7 weeks in June and July and will attract business delegates and trade intermediaries from around the world. IFB 2014 offers you the choice of more than 150 business-focused events of all shapes and sizes, spanning seven broad IFB 2014 themes: Cities, Enterprise and Urban Business Creative and Digital Industries Financial and Professional Services Higher/Further Education and Research Low Carbon and Renewables Manufacturing, Science and Technology Maritime, Port and Logistics IFB 2014 is very ambitious. It is a key part of the government's target of rebalancing the economy and achieving its export and investment objectives. A festival like this has never been held before. IFB 2014 isn’t a talking shop - it’s a chance for you to develop your business. We are placing an explicit focus on creating new international and domestic business-to-business relationships and commercial openings for small, medium and large UK companies. A different kind of business trip As part of this once in-a-generation business festival experience, we’re also putting on a fantastic Cultural Programme (IFB Culture) to entertain you during your stay in Liverpool. We really want you to enjoy your time at IFB 2014. Your Host City: Liverpool is creative, vibrant and culturally rich with something for everyone, whatever your age or interests; why not bring your family or friends and turn your IFB 2014 business trip into a ‘working city break to remember? Find out more about the IFB Cultural Programme Find out more about your Host City: Liverpool What you can expect at IFB 2014 More than 150 business-focused events in Liverpool and across the North of England during June and July 2014. Events on offer range from major international conventions, exhibitions and conferences, to product/process launches and demonstrations, master-classes, seminars, and workshops, awards ceremonies, dinners, business breakfasts and a host of ‘meet the buyer’ events. Take a look at the IFB 2014 Events Calendar At each event meet exhibiting companies, experts, trade bodies, intermediaries and delegates and find new ideas and contacts to help develop your business and trade Hear from pioneers of business from every industry and level in the UK and beyond Enjoy art galleries, museums, theatres, festivals, music, and sport as part of your IFB 2014 itinerary. Access a wide range of high-value services, facilities and business opportunities available for free during the festival, including those on offer within the IFB Hub, located at the heart of Liverpool’s historic waterfront* An opportunity to be matched up with potential customers, suppliers and investors through IFB 2014’s free business brokerage service* Access to numerous individual IFB 2014 events with an explicit focus on ‘meet the buyer’ (both UK and international) and on brokering new B2B contacts, e.g. UKTI’s seven target market events focusing on Africa, Benelux/EU, China/Hong Kong, India, Latin America, South East Asia and the US* Trade delegations and international buyers from around the world in and around the IFB Hub and associated introductions to potential international investors and supply partners* B2B meeting slots with senior buyers from more than 20 of the largest corporates in the UK* Access to UK and International business opportunities ‘bulletin boards’* Bringing together UK and international customers, agents, joint venture partners, suppliers, outsourcing or investment opportunities* http://www.ifb2014.c om/ Who's laughing now
  • Score: 6

3:22pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Zoltar Speaks says...

SFC-Matt wrote:
All of these comments are irrelevant. The cruise companies do not care about facilities, transport etc. in Southampton/Liverpoo

l. Their only motivation is making a profit. It is much more profitable to start and end a cruise in Southampton where the infrastructure to support these ships is already in place. It also eliminates the need for an extra undesirable and unprofitable sea day which would be the case if the ship had turnarounds in Liverpool.
This decision will affect Southampton negligibly.
Plenty of people up north would find it easier to get to Liverpool to start a cruise, why travel to Southampton when you don't have to?
[quote][p][bold]SFC-Matt[/bold] wrote: All of these comments are irrelevant. The cruise companies do not care about facilities, transport etc. in Southampton/Liverpoo l. Their only motivation is making a profit. It is much more profitable to start and end a cruise in Southampton where the infrastructure to support these ships is already in place. It also eliminates the need for an extra undesirable and unprofitable sea day which would be the case if the ship had turnarounds in Liverpool. This decision will affect Southampton negligibly.[/p][/quote]Plenty of people up north would find it easier to get to Liverpool to start a cruise, why travel to Southampton when you don't have to? Zoltar Speaks
  • Score: 13

3:47pm Wed 12 Mar 14

southy says...

phil maccavity wrote:
southy wrote:
Do any one realise how much money was pump into Southampton docks when it was nationalised and when it was sold off like every thing else it was sold cut price
Usual positive post Southy,
Come on then, how much money was pumped in exactly??
And, whilst you are researching this tell us how much successive Governments subsidised the Mersey Docks and Harbour Board for decades before writing off £100m of debt in the late 1960's to enable the renamed Mersey Docks and Harbour Company to be listed on the London Stock exchange before being purchased by the multi millionaire, John Whittaker (and Isle of Man tax exile), who ,as owner of Peel Ports will most benefit from the EC Grant aid to Liverpool Port
the point is phil weather you or me like or not, and i also told when all this was first kick up councilor smith that Liverpool had done no wrong as they waited till the time period was up, all those years when Southampton docks was nationalise this port was getting tax payers money liverpool was not and was left.
its all swings and roundabiout phil, I have no problem as a turnaround port gets less taking from spending pessengers than do a call in port
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Do any one realise how much money was pump into Southampton docks when it was nationalised and when it was sold off like every thing else it was sold cut price[/p][/quote]Usual positive post Southy, Come on then, how much money was pumped in exactly?? And, whilst you are researching this tell us how much successive Governments subsidised the Mersey Docks and Harbour Board for decades before writing off £100m of debt in the late 1960's to enable the renamed Mersey Docks and Harbour Company to be listed on the London Stock exchange before being purchased by the multi millionaire, John Whittaker (and Isle of Man tax exile), who ,as owner of Peel Ports will most benefit from the EC Grant aid to Liverpool Port[/p][/quote]the point is phil weather you or me like or not, and i also told when all this was first kick up councilor smith that Liverpool had done no wrong as they waited till the time period was up, all those years when Southampton docks was nationalise this port was getting tax payers money liverpool was not and was left. its all swings and roundabiout phil, I have no problem as a turnaround port gets less taking from spending pessengers than do a call in port southy
  • Score: -2

4:24pm Wed 12 Mar 14

AlwynM says...

The government and the EU obviously knows that Liverpool is a great tourist destination in its own right and visitors spending untold millions in the city will only add to the taxman's coffers.

Unlike ABP, which is registered abroad and doesn't pay any tax.

I honestly didn't know what all the fuss was about in the first place, what with the billions of pounds of investment London gets, the £17.8 million to ensure the safety of passengers embarking and disembarking at the Pier Head is a pittance.

It's a floating pontoon for god's sake!

Anyway, it's great to see the bitter ones slagging off Liverpool again, this win must really hurt.

It's just a pity the bitter ones can't make the effort to visit the city so they can get over the preconceived notions they have about the place.

They'd receive a warm welcome, have a great time, lots of pubs and bars, never be short of something to see and do and it might inspire them to do something about their own town, instead of wining when something goes right in someone else's.

Good luck Southampton!
The government and the EU obviously knows that Liverpool is a great tourist destination in its own right and visitors spending untold millions in the city will only add to the taxman's coffers. Unlike ABP, which is registered abroad and doesn't pay any tax. I honestly didn't know what all the fuss was about in the first place, what with the billions of pounds of investment London gets, the £17.8 million to ensure the safety of passengers embarking and disembarking at the Pier Head is a pittance. It's a floating pontoon for god's sake! Anyway, it's great to see the bitter ones slagging off Liverpool again, this win must really hurt. It's just a pity the bitter ones can't make the effort to visit the city so they can get over the preconceived notions they have about the place. They'd receive a warm welcome, have a great time, lots of pubs and bars, never be short of something to see and do and it might inspire them to do something about their own town, instead of wining when something goes right in someone else's. Good luck Southampton! AlwynM
  • Score: 8

4:53pm Wed 12 Mar 14

arizonan says...

Zoltar Speaks wrote:
SFC-Matt wrote:
All of these comments are irrelevant. The cruise companies do not care about facilities, transport etc. in Southampton/Liverpoo


l. Their only motivation is making a profit. It is much more profitable to start and end a cruise in Southampton where the infrastructure to support these ships is already in place. It also eliminates the need for an extra undesirable and unprofitable sea day which would be the case if the ship had turnarounds in Liverpool.
This decision will affect Southampton negligibly.
Plenty of people up north would find it easier to get to Liverpool to start a cruise, why travel to Southampton when you don't have to?
Why travel to Southampton indeed.
We shall see how popular Liverpool is as a point of departure for cruises in the next few days.
Tomorrow, bookings open for the 175th Cunard birthday sailing from Liverpool to Halifax/Boston/New York, on the QM2.
We can only hope that the Southern Echo will publish the passenger bookings from Liverpool and Southampton to New York and that will be a good indication to the cruise industry of the market in Liverpool.
Most businesses are on the look-out for the next big thing, or ways to grow, so the increase in departures from Liverpool is surely something that all the cruise lines are looking at.If they are not, they are not maximising their potential.
Cruisers and first time cruisers, want to sail from Liverpool. That is a fact.
[quote][p][bold]Zoltar Speaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SFC-Matt[/bold] wrote: All of these comments are irrelevant. The cruise companies do not care about facilities, transport etc. in Southampton/Liverpoo l. Their only motivation is making a profit. It is much more profitable to start and end a cruise in Southampton where the infrastructure to support these ships is already in place. It also eliminates the need for an extra undesirable and unprofitable sea day which would be the case if the ship had turnarounds in Liverpool. This decision will affect Southampton negligibly.[/p][/quote]Plenty of people up north would find it easier to get to Liverpool to start a cruise, why travel to Southampton when you don't have to?[/p][/quote]Why travel to Southampton indeed. We shall see how popular Liverpool is as a point of departure for cruises in the next few days. Tomorrow, bookings open for the 175th Cunard birthday sailing from Liverpool to Halifax/Boston/New York, on the QM2. We can only hope that the Southern Echo will publish the passenger bookings from Liverpool and Southampton to New York and that will be a good indication to the cruise industry of the market in Liverpool. Most businesses are on the look-out for the next big thing, or ways to grow, so the increase in departures from Liverpool is surely something that all the cruise lines are looking at.If they are not, they are not maximising their potential. Cruisers and first time cruisers, want to sail from Liverpool. That is a fact. arizonan
  • Score: 10

4:55pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
southy wrote:
Do any one realise how much money was pump into Southampton docks when it was nationalised and when it was sold off like every thing else it was sold cut price
Usual positive post Southy,
Come on then, how much money was pumped in exactly??
And, whilst you are researching this tell us how much successive Governments subsidised the Mersey Docks and Harbour Board for decades before writing off £100m of debt in the late 1960's to enable the renamed Mersey Docks and Harbour Company to be listed on the London Stock exchange before being purchased by the multi millionaire, John Whittaker (and Isle of Man tax exile), who ,as owner of Peel Ports will most benefit from the EC Grant aid to Liverpool Port
the point is phil weather you or me like or not, and i also told when all this was first kick up councilor smith that Liverpool had done no wrong as they waited till the time period was up, all those years when Southampton docks was nationalise this port was getting tax payers money liverpool was not and was left.
its all swings and roundabiout phil, I have no problem as a turnaround port gets less taking from spending pessengers than do a call in port
He didn't say that he didn't like you - he merely wants you to back up what you said but he's got more chance of seeing a rocking horse curl one off.

By the way, would you like to remind everyone who it was that said that the Cruise industry was a passing fad a couple of years ago and that it was in serious decline..?

Or do you need help jogging your memory..?

http://www.dailyecho
.co.uk/news/9215866.
Ports_unite_to_fight
_Liverpool_s_cruise_
terminal_plans/
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Do any one realise how much money was pump into Southampton docks when it was nationalised and when it was sold off like every thing else it was sold cut price[/p][/quote]Usual positive post Southy, Come on then, how much money was pumped in exactly?? And, whilst you are researching this tell us how much successive Governments subsidised the Mersey Docks and Harbour Board for decades before writing off £100m of debt in the late 1960's to enable the renamed Mersey Docks and Harbour Company to be listed on the London Stock exchange before being purchased by the multi millionaire, John Whittaker (and Isle of Man tax exile), who ,as owner of Peel Ports will most benefit from the EC Grant aid to Liverpool Port[/p][/quote]the point is phil weather you or me like or not, and i also told when all this was first kick up councilor smith that Liverpool had done no wrong as they waited till the time period was up, all those years when Southampton docks was nationalise this port was getting tax payers money liverpool was not and was left. its all swings and roundabiout phil, I have no problem as a turnaround port gets less taking from spending pessengers than do a call in port[/p][/quote]He didn't say that he didn't like you - he merely wants you to back up what you said but he's got more chance of seeing a rocking horse curl one off. By the way, would you like to remind everyone who it was that said that the Cruise industry was a passing fad a couple of years ago and that it was in serious decline..? Or do you need help jogging your memory..? http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/news/9215866. Ports_unite_to_fight _Liverpool_s_cruise_ terminal_plans/ Shoong
  • Score: 0

4:56pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
southy wrote:
Do any one realise how much money was pump into Southampton docks when it was nationalised and when it was sold off like every thing else it was sold cut price
Usual positive post Southy,
Come on then, how much money was pumped in exactly??
And, whilst you are researching this tell us how much successive Governments subsidised the Mersey Docks and Harbour Board for decades before writing off £100m of debt in the late 1960's to enable the renamed Mersey Docks and Harbour Company to be listed on the London Stock exchange before being purchased by the multi millionaire, John Whittaker (and Isle of Man tax exile), who ,as owner of Peel Ports will most benefit from the EC Grant aid to Liverpool Port
the point is phil weather you or me like or not, and i also told when all this was first kick up councilor smith that Liverpool had done no wrong as they waited till the time period was up, all those years when Southampton docks was nationalise this port was getting tax payers money liverpool was not and was left.
its all swings and roundabiout phil, I have no problem as a turnaround port gets less taking from spending pessengers than do a call in port
He didn't say that he didn't like you - he merely wants you to back up what you said but he's got more chance of seeing a rocking horse curl one off.

By the way, would you like to remind everyone who it was that said that the Cruise industry was a passing fad a couple of years ago and that it was in serious decline..?

Or do you need help jogging your memory..?

http://www.dailyecho
.co.uk/news/9215866.
Ports_unite_to_fight
_Liverpool_s_cruise_
terminal_plans/
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Do any one realise how much money was pump into Southampton docks when it was nationalised and when it was sold off like every thing else it was sold cut price[/p][/quote]Usual positive post Southy, Come on then, how much money was pumped in exactly?? And, whilst you are researching this tell us how much successive Governments subsidised the Mersey Docks and Harbour Board for decades before writing off £100m of debt in the late 1960's to enable the renamed Mersey Docks and Harbour Company to be listed on the London Stock exchange before being purchased by the multi millionaire, John Whittaker (and Isle of Man tax exile), who ,as owner of Peel Ports will most benefit from the EC Grant aid to Liverpool Port[/p][/quote]the point is phil weather you or me like or not, and i also told when all this was first kick up councilor smith that Liverpool had done no wrong as they waited till the time period was up, all those years when Southampton docks was nationalise this port was getting tax payers money liverpool was not and was left. its all swings and roundabiout phil, I have no problem as a turnaround port gets less taking from spending pessengers than do a call in port[/p][/quote]He didn't say that he didn't like you - he merely wants you to back up what you said but he's got more chance of seeing a rocking horse curl one off. By the way, would you like to remind everyone who it was that said that the Cruise industry was a passing fad a couple of years ago and that it was in serious decline..? Or do you need help jogging your memory..? http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/news/9215866. Ports_unite_to_fight _Liverpool_s_cruise_ terminal_plans/ Shoong
  • Score: 0

5:41pm Wed 12 Mar 14

phil maccavity says...

in search of the truth wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
What a wonderfully bizarre ruling by the EC
Supposedly an 'in depth' financial analysis showed that the Liverpool Terminal operator's income from use of the infrastructure would be insufficient to cover investment costs.(ie no commercial business case could be made to build it)
This is a real slap in the face for every other UK cruise port who have financed cruise facilities using normal commercial arrangements.
EC State Aid rules state that any grant provision cannot be used to help one private business over its rivals.
It seems a coach and horses has been ridden through this provision as all other UK cruise ports have had to factor in the investment costs of their cruise terminals whereas Liverpool's is subsidised by the EC
It is interesting to read that the EC ruled that distortions of competition in the Liverpool grant will be limited because the terminal will have a small market share.
This flies in the face of Liverpool's Mayor Anderson who recently said that the sky's the limit as far Liverpool's cruise aspirations are concerned.
Mind you Mayor Anderson has a bit of form here as he originally said that Liverpool's target as a turnround port would be limited to 6% of the UK market and this is not the first time he has been duplicitous.
Meanwhile the Southern Daily Echo must be delighted to see how many people respond to their cruise related pieces, and especially pleased to hear from those regular visitors from the North West.
Interesting to note that a similar story in the one remaining Liverpool newspaper (The Echo) has received the grand total of two comments!!!!
I guess most of those interested on Merseyside are focussed on the Southern Echo rather than their local paper
It is not a cruise terminal it is a floating landing stage, please get your facts right. The cruise terminal will shortly open in " The Cunard Building " .

The story first broke yesterday evening in the Liverpool Echo and I posted the news on this site at 9:07pm last night. It took the Southern Daily Echo until 12:10am this morning to write about it. It didn't get a comment here until after 6am this morning, obviously your posters were in a state of shock.

There are few comments in Liverpool as the matter is now closed, but of course the Southern Daily Echo will be making a meal of this issue for years to come.

As I have previously stated ..........

It's a pity you don't run a massive campaign against your so called editors call for the sale of some of Southampton Art Galleries assets, now that would be a campaign in the interests of the good people of Southampton
Your comment re the Floating Landing Stage made me smile
It is interesting that the Grant aided structure was original termed a 'Facility' as the use of the word 'Terminal' would have given the game away when the original Grant Application was for 'Calling Cruises' only.
If you now look at any of the publicity blurb being put out from the Council and other taxpaying funded organisations, the term used is 'City of Liverpool Cruise Terminal' with an address of Princes Parade L31DL.
The new 'Terminal' doesn't open until 2015
Interested to see your comment that .. there are few comments in Liverpool as the matter is now closed..
Interesting then that so many people from the area seem interested enough to make comments on the Southern Echo site
[quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: What a wonderfully bizarre ruling by the EC Supposedly an 'in depth' financial analysis showed that the Liverpool Terminal operator's income from use of the infrastructure would be insufficient to cover investment costs.(ie no commercial business case could be made to build it) This is a real slap in the face for every other UK cruise port who have financed cruise facilities using normal commercial arrangements. EC State Aid rules state that any grant provision cannot be used to help one private business over its rivals. It seems a coach and horses has been ridden through this provision as all other UK cruise ports have had to factor in the investment costs of their cruise terminals whereas Liverpool's is subsidised by the EC It is interesting to read that the EC ruled that distortions of competition in the Liverpool grant will be limited because the terminal will have a small market share. This flies in the face of Liverpool's Mayor Anderson who recently said that the sky's the limit as far Liverpool's cruise aspirations are concerned. Mind you Mayor Anderson has a bit of form here as he originally said that Liverpool's target as a turnround port would be limited to 6% of the UK market and this is not the first time he has been duplicitous. Meanwhile the Southern Daily Echo must be delighted to see how many people respond to their cruise related pieces, and especially pleased to hear from those regular visitors from the North West. Interesting to note that a similar story in the one remaining Liverpool newspaper (The Echo) has received the grand total of two comments!!!! I guess most of those interested on Merseyside are focussed on the Southern Echo rather than their local paper[/p][/quote]It is not a cruise terminal it is a floating landing stage, please get your facts right. The cruise terminal will shortly open in " The Cunard Building " . The story first broke yesterday evening in the Liverpool Echo and I posted the news on this site at 9:07pm last night. It took the Southern Daily Echo until 12:10am this morning to write about it. It didn't get a comment here until after 6am this morning, obviously your posters were in a state of shock. There are few comments in Liverpool as the matter is now closed, but of course the Southern Daily Echo will be making a meal of this issue for years to come. As I have previously stated .......... It's a pity you don't run a massive campaign against your so called editors call for the sale of some of Southampton Art Galleries assets, now that would be a campaign in the interests of the good people of Southampton[/p][/quote]Your comment re the Floating Landing Stage made me smile It is interesting that the Grant aided structure was original termed a 'Facility' as the use of the word 'Terminal' would have given the game away when the original Grant Application was for 'Calling Cruises' only. If you now look at any of the publicity blurb being put out from the Council and other taxpaying funded organisations, the term used is 'City of Liverpool Cruise Terminal' with an address of Princes Parade L31DL. The new 'Terminal' doesn't open until 2015 Interested to see your comment that .. there are few comments in Liverpool as the matter is now closed.. Interesting then that so many people from the area seem interested enough to make comments on the Southern Echo site phil maccavity
  • Score: -9

5:48pm Wed 12 Mar 14

phil maccavity says...

southy wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
southy wrote:
Do any one realise how much money was pump into Southampton docks when it was nationalised and when it was sold off like every thing else it was sold cut price
Usual positive post Southy,
Come on then, how much money was pumped in exactly??
And, whilst you are researching this tell us how much successive Governments subsidised the Mersey Docks and Harbour Board for decades before writing off £100m of debt in the late 1960's to enable the renamed Mersey Docks and Harbour Company to be listed on the London Stock exchange before being purchased by the multi millionaire, John Whittaker (and Isle of Man tax exile), who ,as owner of Peel Ports will most benefit from the EC Grant aid to Liverpool Port
the point is phil weather you or me like or not, and i also told when all this was first kick up councilor smith that Liverpool had done no wrong as they waited till the time period was up, all those years when Southampton docks was nationalise this port was getting tax payers money liverpool was not and was left.
its all swings and roundabiout phil, I have no problem as a turnaround port gets less taking from spending pessengers than do a call in port
Southy
Cant make any sense of most of your post but just love your last comment
Suggest you make contact with Liverpool Council immediately.
All this fuss is due to the fact that Mayor Anderson and his team are convinced that earnings from turnround ships are far more than calling cruises.
I am sure they will be extremely interested in the results of your detailed research that indicates the opposite
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Do any one realise how much money was pump into Southampton docks when it was nationalised and when it was sold off like every thing else it was sold cut price[/p][/quote]Usual positive post Southy, Come on then, how much money was pumped in exactly?? And, whilst you are researching this tell us how much successive Governments subsidised the Mersey Docks and Harbour Board for decades before writing off £100m of debt in the late 1960's to enable the renamed Mersey Docks and Harbour Company to be listed on the London Stock exchange before being purchased by the multi millionaire, John Whittaker (and Isle of Man tax exile), who ,as owner of Peel Ports will most benefit from the EC Grant aid to Liverpool Port[/p][/quote]the point is phil weather you or me like or not, and i also told when all this was first kick up councilor smith that Liverpool had done no wrong as they waited till the time period was up, all those years when Southampton docks was nationalise this port was getting tax payers money liverpool was not and was left. its all swings and roundabiout phil, I have no problem as a turnaround port gets less taking from spending pessengers than do a call in port[/p][/quote]Southy Cant make any sense of most of your post but just love your last comment Suggest you make contact with Liverpool Council immediately. All this fuss is due to the fact that Mayor Anderson and his team are convinced that earnings from turnround ships are far more than calling cruises. I am sure they will be extremely interested in the results of your detailed research that indicates the opposite phil maccavity
  • Score: -2

5:58pm Wed 12 Mar 14

loosehead says...

My ex neighbour did a cruise where they stopped at Liverpool & he never stayed in Liverpool & he didn't like the pontoon & now will only sail from & to his home port Southampton.
He has spoken to many passengers on his last cruise & many had used Liverpool & visited it's attractions but have said never again because of the pontoon it had nothing to do with the lack of a terminal but all to do with where they docked.
Now I hope( if estate agents get their fingers out) to move to Liverpool with the cheap houses & I have nothing against scousers as my father & 5 older brothers & sisters were born there.
But your council lied to get the grants & to make out this is just Southampton who oppose the change of use & want the grants repaid is wrong.
This whole affair was brought about through Liverpool putting in for grants with a lie as up until they wanted to change the pontoons use there were no complaints at all
My ex neighbour did a cruise where they stopped at Liverpool & he never stayed in Liverpool & he didn't like the pontoon & now will only sail from & to his home port Southampton. He has spoken to many passengers on his last cruise & many had used Liverpool & visited it's attractions but have said never again because of the pontoon it had nothing to do with the lack of a terminal but all to do with where they docked. Now I hope( if estate agents get their fingers out) to move to Liverpool with the cheap houses & I have nothing against scousers as my father & 5 older brothers & sisters were born there. But your council lied to get the grants & to make out this is just Southampton who oppose the change of use & want the grants repaid is wrong. This whole affair was brought about through Liverpool putting in for grants with a lie as up until they wanted to change the pontoons use there were no complaints at all loosehead
  • Score: -6

6:06pm Wed 12 Mar 14

arizonan says...

I have just learned that Cunard is to have a Transatlantic crossing with a Beatles theme this year.
Presumably sailing into Southampton, a city with no connection to the icons of popular music. .
This shows a complete lack of business acumen on the part of Cunard.
A sailing from New York to Liverpool and on to Hamburg would be so successful, it is untrue.
Wake up Cunard, and stop trotting out the mantra that Liverpool is, 'our spiritual home,' which is a euphemism for, ' we won't be operating from there.'
O for a bit more American involvement in the planning and development side of Cunard.
I have just learned that Cunard is to have a Transatlantic crossing with a Beatles theme this year. Presumably sailing into Southampton, a city with no connection to the icons of popular music. . This shows a complete lack of business acumen on the part of Cunard. A sailing from New York to Liverpool and on to Hamburg would be so successful, it is untrue. Wake up Cunard, and stop trotting out the mantra that Liverpool is, 'our spiritual home,' which is a euphemism for, ' we won't be operating from there.' O for a bit more American involvement in the planning and development side of Cunard. arizonan
  • Score: 8

6:55pm Wed 12 Mar 14

in search of the truth says...

Where is the Editor of the " Southern Daily Echo " , Mr Ian Murray when he's needed. Surely he should be compiling one of his renowned " Cruise Wars " blog's when an item of news about Liverpool and those treasured words " cruise ships " are mentioned.

Sorry , I forgot he's busy trying to arrange a high priced ticketed so called , public meeting to discuss the notion that treasures within the city art gallery held in trust for the benefit of the inhabitants of Southampton should be sold off in order to fulfill a political agenda.

These items belong in trust, bequeathed by benefactors who would turn in their graves if they knew what was planned. These items are part of the cultural wealth of your city, they belong to all the people of Southampton , they do not belong to the council or the politicians. Shame on Ian Murray who as editor of the local paper should act as devil's advocate in such a preposterous scheme and report but not take sides.

I believe the meeting has been postponed for now , so one never knows Mr Murray may well leave his campaign to help sell off some of Southampton's family's silver and issue once again one of his " Cruise War's " blog's.

I'm just waiting to read .your blog Mr Murray
Where is the Editor of the " Southern Daily Echo " , Mr Ian Murray when he's needed. Surely he should be compiling one of his renowned " Cruise Wars " blog's when an item of news about Liverpool and those treasured words " cruise ships " are mentioned. Sorry , I forgot he's busy trying to arrange a high priced ticketed so called , public meeting to discuss the notion that treasures within the city art gallery held in trust for the benefit of the inhabitants of Southampton should be sold off in order to fulfill a political agenda. These items belong in trust, bequeathed by benefactors who would turn in their graves if they knew what was planned. These items are part of the cultural wealth of your city, they belong to all the people of Southampton , they do not belong to the council or the politicians. Shame on Ian Murray who as editor of the local paper should act as devil's advocate in such a preposterous scheme and report but not take sides. I believe the meeting has been postponed for now , so one never knows Mr Murray may well leave his campaign to help sell off some of Southampton's family's silver and issue once again one of his " Cruise War's " blog's. I'm just waiting to read .your blog Mr Murray in search of the truth
  • Score: 11

7:24pm Wed 12 Mar 14

arizonan says...

loosehead wrote:
My ex neighbour did a cruise where they stopped at Liverpool & he never stayed in Liverpool & he didn't like the pontoon & now will only sail from & to his home port Southampton.
He has spoken to many passengers on his last cruise & many had used Liverpool & visited it's attractions but have said never again because of the pontoon it had nothing to do with the lack of a terminal but all to do with where they docked.
Now I hope( if estate agents get their fingers out) to move to Liverpool with the cheap houses & I have nothing against scousers as my father & 5 older brothers & sisters were born there.
But your council lied to get the grants & to make out this is just Southampton who oppose the change of use & want the grants repaid is wrong.
This whole affair was brought about through Liverpool putting in for grants with a lie as up until they wanted to change the pontoons use there were no complaints at all
All to do with where they docked? They docked in one of the best locations in the World were a cruise ship can tie-up! Perhaps your neighbour and his co-passengers may like to try again in 2015 when the Liverpool Cruise Terminal relocates to the magnificent Cunard Building. Will there be any better point of arrival or departure in the World?
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: My ex neighbour did a cruise where they stopped at Liverpool & he never stayed in Liverpool & he didn't like the pontoon & now will only sail from & to his home port Southampton. He has spoken to many passengers on his last cruise & many had used Liverpool & visited it's attractions but have said never again because of the pontoon it had nothing to do with the lack of a terminal but all to do with where they docked. Now I hope( if estate agents get their fingers out) to move to Liverpool with the cheap houses & I have nothing against scousers as my father & 5 older brothers & sisters were born there. But your council lied to get the grants & to make out this is just Southampton who oppose the change of use & want the grants repaid is wrong. This whole affair was brought about through Liverpool putting in for grants with a lie as up until they wanted to change the pontoons use there were no complaints at all[/p][/quote]All to do with where they docked? They docked in one of the best locations in the World were a cruise ship can tie-up! Perhaps your neighbour and his co-passengers may like to try again in 2015 when the Liverpool Cruise Terminal relocates to the magnificent Cunard Building. Will there be any better point of arrival or departure in the World? arizonan
  • Score: 10

7:25pm Wed 12 Mar 14

scousertommy says...

Lets just face the facts people will make up their own minds whether they wish to embark their cruise ship in a crude container port or in a world famous UNESCO World Heritage Site with the spiritual home of Cunard featuring as a back drop of the 3 Graces.

Booking for Cunard's transatlantic cruise open tomorrow when this cruise is part of Cunard's 175th anniversary celebrations happen in Liverpool next year and NOT Southampton (incidentally all 3 Queens will be in the Mersey at the same time so it will be pretty quiet in your southern backwater). This cruise is already over subscribed and they probably could sell it quite a few times over, so lets compare this with a similar cruise from your container port?

I love the taste of sweet victory and hope you get over it soon....NOT

Won't be long before Cunard and Princess follow Ford out of Southampton eh...
Lets just face the facts people will make up their own minds whether they wish to embark their cruise ship in a crude container port or in a world famous UNESCO World Heritage Site with the spiritual home of Cunard featuring as a back drop of the 3 Graces. Booking for Cunard's transatlantic cruise open tomorrow when this cruise is part of Cunard's 175th anniversary celebrations happen in Liverpool next year and NOT Southampton (incidentally all 3 Queens will be in the Mersey at the same time so it will be pretty quiet in your southern backwater). This cruise is already over subscribed and they probably could sell it quite a few times over, so lets compare this with a similar cruise from your container port? I love the taste of sweet victory and hope you get over it soon....NOT Won't be long before Cunard and Princess follow Ford out of Southampton eh... scousertommy
  • Score: 5

7:46pm Wed 12 Mar 14

in search of the truth says...

Where is the Editor of the " Southern Daily Echo " , Mr Ian Murray when he's needed. Surely he should be compiling one of his renowned " Cruise Wars " blog's when an item of news about Liverpool and those treasured words " cruise ships " are mentioned.

Sorry , I forgot he's busy trying to arrange a high priced ticketed so called , public meeting to discuss the notion that treasures within the city art gallery held in trust for the benefit of the inhabitants of Southampton should be sold off in order to fulfill a political agenda.

These items belong in trust, bequeathed by benefactors who would turn in their graves if they knew what was planned. These items are part of the cultural wealth of your city, they belong to all the people of Southampton , they do not belong to the council or the politicians. Shame on Ian Murray who as editor of the local paper should act as devil's advocate in such a preposterous scheme and report but not take sides.

I believe the meeting has been postponed for now , so one never knows Mr Murray may well leave his campaign to help sell off some of Southampton's family's silver and issue once again one of his " Cruise War's " blog's.

I'm just waiting to read .your blog Mr Murray
Where is the Editor of the " Southern Daily Echo " , Mr Ian Murray when he's needed. Surely he should be compiling one of his renowned " Cruise Wars " blog's when an item of news about Liverpool and those treasured words " cruise ships " are mentioned. Sorry , I forgot he's busy trying to arrange a high priced ticketed so called , public meeting to discuss the notion that treasures within the city art gallery held in trust for the benefit of the inhabitants of Southampton should be sold off in order to fulfill a political agenda. These items belong in trust, bequeathed by benefactors who would turn in their graves if they knew what was planned. These items are part of the cultural wealth of your city, they belong to all the people of Southampton , they do not belong to the council or the politicians. Shame on Ian Murray who as editor of the local paper should act as devil's advocate in such a preposterous scheme and report but not take sides. I believe the meeting has been postponed for now , so one never knows Mr Murray may well leave his campaign to help sell off some of Southampton's family's silver and issue once again one of his " Cruise War's " blog's. I'm just waiting to read .your blog Mr Murray in search of the truth
  • Score: 3

8:28pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Tom Liverpool says...

Tom Liverpool
Have refrained come commenting on this topic for the past year, but am really surprised by the comments being posted today from Southampton in response to the EU ruling. It is a sad reflection on the people concerned that they are so misguided and inaccurate in both their observations and their perception of EU law.
Liverpool is not the grubby, dirty , dump they portray It is actually a very nice city (accepted that some parts are not quite as they should be) but new property is being built continuously so the improvement continues,And hotels occupancy is far higher than almost all cities outside of London and more are being built as we speak.
Finally as I stated 12 months ago. I am Not a Liverpudlian (but do live north of the city nowadays) and also know Southampton quite well and must say that the city of Liverpool is much nicer than the city of Southampton, the surrounding suburbs are very similar and the countryside around both is pleasant and attractive.
When the Liverpool terminal opens in the Cunard building I doubt if anybody anywhere could build anything remotely as luxurious or iconic without spending hundreds of millions, fortunately a legacy that can be exploited to our benefit.
LETS HOPE THAT BOTH CITIES CAN BE ON BETTER TERMS IN THE FUTURE.
Tom Liverpool Have refrained come commenting on this topic for the past year, but am really surprised by the comments being posted today from Southampton in response to the EU ruling. It is a sad reflection on the people concerned that they are so misguided and inaccurate in both their observations and their perception of EU law. Liverpool is not the grubby, dirty , dump they portray It is actually a very nice city (accepted that some parts are not quite as they should be) but new property is being built continuously so the improvement continues,And hotels occupancy is far higher than almost all cities outside of London and more are being built as we speak. Finally as I stated 12 months ago. I am Not a Liverpudlian (but do live north of the city nowadays) and also know Southampton quite well and must say that the city of Liverpool is much nicer than the city of Southampton, the surrounding suburbs are very similar and the countryside around both is pleasant and attractive. When the Liverpool terminal opens in the Cunard building I doubt if anybody anywhere could build anything remotely as luxurious or iconic without spending hundreds of millions, fortunately a legacy that can be exploited to our benefit. LETS HOPE THAT BOTH CITIES CAN BE ON BETTER TERMS IN THE FUTURE. Tom Liverpool
  • Score: 6

9:09pm Wed 12 Mar 14

loosehead says...

scousertommy wrote:
Lets just face the facts people will make up their own minds whether they wish to embark their cruise ship in a crude container port or in a world famous UNESCO World Heritage Site with the spiritual home of Cunard featuring as a back drop of the 3 Graces.

Booking for Cunard's transatlantic cruise open tomorrow when this cruise is part of Cunard's 175th anniversary celebrations happen in Liverpool next year and NOT Southampton (incidentally all 3 Queens will be in the Mersey at the same time so it will be pretty quiet in your southern backwater). This cruise is already over subscribed and they probably could sell it quite a few times over, so lets compare this with a similar cruise from your container port?

I love the taste of sweet victory and hope you get over it soon....NOT

Won't be long before Cunard and Princess follow Ford out of Southampton eh...
crude container port? walking along from the Albert dock at about 11am & seeing families walking along the same stretch what a great heritage confronted those Liverpool children.
Teenagers out of their heads on drugs what a great sight they made to the other tourists as well?
the hotel Staff told us not to go into town or by the waterfront at night as it wasn't safe what a great advert that was.
Now if you want we can all sling mud at each others city & as I've already said on a post about Southamptons Historical past I don't want to say it again.
Look it was your lying councillors that brought about this not the people of Liverpool nor the people of Southampton so instead of slagging off this city why don't you prove all the knockers of scousers wrong & admit your council lied to get this facility?
[quote][p][bold]scousertommy[/bold] wrote: Lets just face the facts people will make up their own minds whether they wish to embark their cruise ship in a crude container port or in a world famous UNESCO World Heritage Site with the spiritual home of Cunard featuring as a back drop of the 3 Graces. Booking for Cunard's transatlantic cruise open tomorrow when this cruise is part of Cunard's 175th anniversary celebrations happen in Liverpool next year and NOT Southampton (incidentally all 3 Queens will be in the Mersey at the same time so it will be pretty quiet in your southern backwater). This cruise is already over subscribed and they probably could sell it quite a few times over, so lets compare this with a similar cruise from your container port? I love the taste of sweet victory and hope you get over it soon....NOT Won't be long before Cunard and Princess follow Ford out of Southampton eh...[/p][/quote]crude container port? walking along from the Albert dock at about 11am & seeing families walking along the same stretch what a great heritage confronted those Liverpool children. Teenagers out of their heads on drugs what a great sight they made to the other tourists as well? the hotel Staff told us not to go into town or by the waterfront at night as it wasn't safe what a great advert that was. Now if you want we can all sling mud at each others city & as I've already said on a post about Southamptons Historical past I don't want to say it again. Look it was your lying councillors that brought about this not the people of Liverpool nor the people of Southampton so instead of slagging off this city why don't you prove all the knockers of scousers wrong & admit your council lied to get this facility? loosehead
  • Score: -8

9:12pm Wed 12 Mar 14

loosehead says...

arizonan wrote:
loosehead wrote:
My ex neighbour did a cruise where they stopped at Liverpool & he never stayed in Liverpool & he didn't like the pontoon & now will only sail from & to his home port Southampton.
He has spoken to many passengers on his last cruise & many had used Liverpool & visited it's attractions but have said never again because of the pontoon it had nothing to do with the lack of a terminal but all to do with where they docked.
Now I hope( if estate agents get their fingers out) to move to Liverpool with the cheap houses & I have nothing against scousers as my father & 5 older brothers & sisters were born there.
But your council lied to get the grants & to make out this is just Southampton who oppose the change of use & want the grants repaid is wrong.
This whole affair was brought about through Liverpool putting in for grants with a lie as up until they wanted to change the pontoons use there were no complaints at all
All to do with where they docked? They docked in one of the best locations in the World were a cruise ship can tie-up! Perhaps your neighbour and his co-passengers may like to try again in 2015 when the Liverpool Cruise Terminal relocates to the magnificent Cunard Building. Will there be any better point of arrival or departure in the World?
Will they be able to dock alongside the dock wall or will they still have to dock alongside a pontoon?
[quote][p][bold]arizonan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: My ex neighbour did a cruise where they stopped at Liverpool & he never stayed in Liverpool & he didn't like the pontoon & now will only sail from & to his home port Southampton. He has spoken to many passengers on his last cruise & many had used Liverpool & visited it's attractions but have said never again because of the pontoon it had nothing to do with the lack of a terminal but all to do with where they docked. Now I hope( if estate agents get their fingers out) to move to Liverpool with the cheap houses & I have nothing against scousers as my father & 5 older brothers & sisters were born there. But your council lied to get the grants & to make out this is just Southampton who oppose the change of use & want the grants repaid is wrong. This whole affair was brought about through Liverpool putting in for grants with a lie as up until they wanted to change the pontoons use there were no complaints at all[/p][/quote]All to do with where they docked? They docked in one of the best locations in the World were a cruise ship can tie-up! Perhaps your neighbour and his co-passengers may like to try again in 2015 when the Liverpool Cruise Terminal relocates to the magnificent Cunard Building. Will there be any better point of arrival or departure in the World?[/p][/quote]Will they be able to dock alongside the dock wall or will they still have to dock alongside a pontoon? loosehead
  • Score: -2

9:22pm Wed 12 Mar 14

loosehead says...

Tom Liverpool wrote:
Tom Liverpool
Have refrained come commenting on this topic for the past year, but am really surprised by the comments being posted today from Southampton in response to the EU ruling. It is a sad reflection on the people concerned that they are so misguided and inaccurate in both their observations and their perception of EU law.
Liverpool is not the grubby, dirty , dump they portray It is actually a very nice city (accepted that some parts are not quite as they should be) but new property is being built continuously so the improvement continues,And hotels occupancy is far higher than almost all cities outside of London and more are being built as we speak.
Finally as I stated 12 months ago. I am Not a Liverpudlian (but do live north of the city nowadays) and also know Southampton quite well and must say that the city of Liverpool is much nicer than the city of Southampton, the surrounding suburbs are very similar and the countryside around both is pleasant and attractive.
When the Liverpool terminal opens in the Cunard building I doubt if anybody anywhere could build anything remotely as luxurious or iconic without spending hundreds of millions, fortunately a legacy that can be exploited to our benefit.
LETS HOPE THAT BOTH CITIES CAN BE ON BETTER TERMS IN THE FUTURE.
Tom we had a terminal built way back I've forgotten the name they call it but it was a 20's early thirties building but for some reason it was demolished (ABP)
If you read on here most of the insults & the Goading has come from scousers & only in response & in defence of our own city have Southerners responded.
I loved Liverpool that's why I'm trying to move there but I can't believe the rubbish coming out of some scousers mouths about Southampton.
I worked in a company(BAT) where it shut the Liverpool factory & was expanding our factory we fought to give those Liverpool workers the right to come here to work & we won.
Some(many) came here to just work for 2 years to increase their redundancy pay & pensions many stayed as well.
We had a lot of Mancs come down as well & they stayed & those Manchester people would not use Liverpools cruise facilities but let's put the record straight if this city was so bad & Liverpool so great why even after our factory shut did they stay in this city?
[quote][p][bold]Tom Liverpool[/bold] wrote: Tom Liverpool Have refrained come commenting on this topic for the past year, but am really surprised by the comments being posted today from Southampton in response to the EU ruling. It is a sad reflection on the people concerned that they are so misguided and inaccurate in both their observations and their perception of EU law. Liverpool is not the grubby, dirty , dump they portray It is actually a very nice city (accepted that some parts are not quite as they should be) but new property is being built continuously so the improvement continues,And hotels occupancy is far higher than almost all cities outside of London and more are being built as we speak. Finally as I stated 12 months ago. I am Not a Liverpudlian (but do live north of the city nowadays) and also know Southampton quite well and must say that the city of Liverpool is much nicer than the city of Southampton, the surrounding suburbs are very similar and the countryside around both is pleasant and attractive. When the Liverpool terminal opens in the Cunard building I doubt if anybody anywhere could build anything remotely as luxurious or iconic without spending hundreds of millions, fortunately a legacy that can be exploited to our benefit. LETS HOPE THAT BOTH CITIES CAN BE ON BETTER TERMS IN THE FUTURE.[/p][/quote]Tom we had a terminal built way back I've forgotten the name they call it but it was a 20's early thirties building but for some reason it was demolished (ABP) If you read on here most of the insults & the Goading has come from scousers & only in response & in defence of our own city have Southerners responded. I loved Liverpool that's why I'm trying to move there but I can't believe the rubbish coming out of some scousers mouths about Southampton. I worked in a company(BAT) where it shut the Liverpool factory & was expanding our factory we fought to give those Liverpool workers the right to come here to work & we won. Some(many) came here to just work for 2 years to increase their redundancy pay & pensions many stayed as well. We had a lot of Mancs come down as well & they stayed & those Manchester people would not use Liverpools cruise facilities but let's put the record straight if this city was so bad & Liverpool so great why even after our factory shut did they stay in this city? loosehead
  • Score: -5

9:49pm Wed 12 Mar 14

SOULJACKER says...

How many times are the Echo going to put this drivel up for people to slag Liverpool off, blah, blah, blah.
It's boring, I don't really care I have been there once to do some work for some of the cast of 'Hollyoaks' & that was boring but the city is nice enough & the boarded up terraces are art work for goodness sake.
Our cities are very different places & I wish the Echo would stop stoking people up into some sort of hate rivalry thing that just ain't there.
Good night & back to my cider :)
How many times are the Echo going to put this drivel up for people to slag Liverpool off, blah, blah, blah. It's boring, I don't really care I have been there once to do some work for some of the cast of 'Hollyoaks' & that was boring but the city is nice enough & the boarded up terraces are art work for goodness sake. Our cities are very different places & I wish the Echo would stop stoking people up into some sort of hate rivalry thing that just ain't there. Good night & back to my cider :) SOULJACKER
  • Score: 8

10:29pm Wed 12 Mar 14

in search of the truth says...

phil maccavity wrote:
in search of the truth wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
What a wonderfully bizarre ruling by the EC
Supposedly an 'in depth' financial analysis showed that the Liverpool Terminal operator's income from use of the infrastructure would be insufficient to cover investment costs.(ie no commercial business case could be made to build it)
This is a real slap in the face for every other UK cruise port who have financed cruise facilities using normal commercial arrangements.
EC State Aid rules state that any grant provision cannot be used to help one private business over its rivals.
It seems a coach and horses has been ridden through this provision as all other UK cruise ports have had to factor in the investment costs of their cruise terminals whereas Liverpool's is subsidised by the EC
It is interesting to read that the EC ruled that distortions of competition in the Liverpool grant will be limited because the terminal will have a small market share.
This flies in the face of Liverpool's Mayor Anderson who recently said that the sky's the limit as far Liverpool's cruise aspirations are concerned.
Mind you Mayor Anderson has a bit of form here as he originally said that Liverpool's target as a turnround port would be limited to 6% of the UK market and this is not the first time he has been duplicitous.
Meanwhile the Southern Daily Echo must be delighted to see how many people respond to their cruise related pieces, and especially pleased to hear from those regular visitors from the North West.
Interesting to note that a similar story in the one remaining Liverpool newspaper (The Echo) has received the grand total of two comments!!!!
I guess most of those interested on Merseyside are focussed on the Southern Echo rather than their local paper
It is not a cruise terminal it is a floating landing stage, please get your facts right. The cruise terminal will shortly open in " The Cunard Building " .

The story first broke yesterday evening in the Liverpool Echo and I posted the news on this site at 9:07pm last night. It took the Southern Daily Echo until 12:10am this morning to write about it. It didn't get a comment here until after 6am this morning, obviously your posters were in a state of shock.

There are few comments in Liverpool as the matter is now closed, but of course the Southern Daily Echo will be making a meal of this issue for years to come.

As I have previously stated ..........

It's a pity you don't run a massive campaign against your so called editors call for the sale of some of Southampton Art Galleries assets, now that would be a campaign in the interests of the good people of Southampton
Your comment re the Floating Landing Stage made me smile
It is interesting that the Grant aided structure was original termed a 'Facility' as the use of the word 'Terminal' would have given the game away when the original Grant Application was for 'Calling Cruises' only.
If you now look at any of the publicity blurb being put out from the Council and other taxpaying funded organisations, the term used is 'City of Liverpool Cruise Terminal' with an address of Princes Parade L31DL.
The new 'Terminal' doesn't open until 2015
Interested to see your comment that .. there are few comments in Liverpool as the matter is now closed..
Interesting then that so many people from the area seem interested enough to make comments on the Southern Echo site
People in Liverpool started taking an interest in the Southern Daily Echo when it distorted the facts about Liverpool's change of use request for the landing stage facility in the River Mersey. This was known as the " Cruise Wars " and was orchestrated by this newspaper in vain.

In order for you to get the full facts concerning the decision to obtain change of use from the UK government , I have outlined the facts for you again.

The " Facility " is a floating pontoon which was paid for by UK and EU money. It was built to allow passengers to dis-embark from ships on day visits to Liverpool. Because it has the second highest tidal range in the UK , you have to discharge passengers via a floating pontoon.
The river empties into Liverpool Bay on the Irish Sea, after a total course of 68 miles (109 km). From 4 metres (13.1 ft) neap tide to 10 metres (32.8 ft) spring tide, the River Mersey has the second highest tidal range in Britain – second only to the River Severn.
When Fred Olsen who had turnaround cruises from Langton Dock ( which is in the enclosed dock system pulled out due to safety concerns navigating the narrow lock between Langton Dock and the river mersey ) the council decided that since there was a landing stage facility in the river for day visits ,it was a sensible idea to get the restrictions on use changed , in order to save losing trade such as Fred Olsen cruises that had operated from Langton Dock.
When the change was allowed the cruise terminal buildings in Langton Dock closed and a temporary cruise terminal building ( baggage hall / customs ) was established on land above the landing stage at Princes Dock. This terminal consists of a marque type structure owned and run by the city council. This will shortly be replaced by baggage / customs facilities in the original icon world heritage Cunard Building cruise terminal at the Pierhead a short distance away.
Since there are now no restrictions on the use of the facility in the river ( the floating pontoon landing stage ) , it is reasonable for cruise ship companies to want to have both day visits and turnarounds for their cruise ships, especially when those ships can tie up alongside the majestic and historical buildings at the Pierhead that are one of the six area's within the city that make up the Liverpool Mercantile Maritime World Heritage Site.

In order to get the full details of the WHS see the following site.

http://www.liverpool
worldheritage.com/
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: What a wonderfully bizarre ruling by the EC Supposedly an 'in depth' financial analysis showed that the Liverpool Terminal operator's income from use of the infrastructure would be insufficient to cover investment costs.(ie no commercial business case could be made to build it) This is a real slap in the face for every other UK cruise port who have financed cruise facilities using normal commercial arrangements. EC State Aid rules state that any grant provision cannot be used to help one private business over its rivals. It seems a coach and horses has been ridden through this provision as all other UK cruise ports have had to factor in the investment costs of their cruise terminals whereas Liverpool's is subsidised by the EC It is interesting to read that the EC ruled that distortions of competition in the Liverpool grant will be limited because the terminal will have a small market share. This flies in the face of Liverpool's Mayor Anderson who recently said that the sky's the limit as far Liverpool's cruise aspirations are concerned. Mind you Mayor Anderson has a bit of form here as he originally said that Liverpool's target as a turnround port would be limited to 6% of the UK market and this is not the first time he has been duplicitous. Meanwhile the Southern Daily Echo must be delighted to see how many people respond to their cruise related pieces, and especially pleased to hear from those regular visitors from the North West. Interesting to note that a similar story in the one remaining Liverpool newspaper (The Echo) has received the grand total of two comments!!!! I guess most of those interested on Merseyside are focussed on the Southern Echo rather than their local paper[/p][/quote]It is not a cruise terminal it is a floating landing stage, please get your facts right. The cruise terminal will shortly open in " The Cunard Building " . The story first broke yesterday evening in the Liverpool Echo and I posted the news on this site at 9:07pm last night. It took the Southern Daily Echo until 12:10am this morning to write about it. It didn't get a comment here until after 6am this morning, obviously your posters were in a state of shock. There are few comments in Liverpool as the matter is now closed, but of course the Southern Daily Echo will be making a meal of this issue for years to come. As I have previously stated .......... It's a pity you don't run a massive campaign against your so called editors call for the sale of some of Southampton Art Galleries assets, now that would be a campaign in the interests of the good people of Southampton[/p][/quote]Your comment re the Floating Landing Stage made me smile It is interesting that the Grant aided structure was original termed a 'Facility' as the use of the word 'Terminal' would have given the game away when the original Grant Application was for 'Calling Cruises' only. If you now look at any of the publicity blurb being put out from the Council and other taxpaying funded organisations, the term used is 'City of Liverpool Cruise Terminal' with an address of Princes Parade L31DL. The new 'Terminal' doesn't open until 2015 Interested to see your comment that .. there are few comments in Liverpool as the matter is now closed.. Interesting then that so many people from the area seem interested enough to make comments on the Southern Echo site[/p][/quote]People in Liverpool started taking an interest in the Southern Daily Echo when it distorted the facts about Liverpool's change of use request for the landing stage facility in the River Mersey. This was known as the " Cruise Wars " and was orchestrated by this newspaper in vain. In order for you to get the full facts concerning the decision to obtain change of use from the UK government , I have outlined the facts for you again. The " Facility " is a floating pontoon which was paid for by UK and EU money. It was built to allow passengers to dis-embark from ships on day visits to Liverpool. Because it has the second highest tidal range in the UK , you have to discharge passengers via a floating pontoon. The river empties into Liverpool Bay on the Irish Sea, after a total course of 68 miles (109 km). From 4 metres (13.1 ft) neap tide to 10 metres (32.8 ft) spring tide, the River Mersey has the second highest tidal range in Britain – second only to the River Severn. When Fred Olsen who had turnaround cruises from Langton Dock ( which is in the enclosed dock system pulled out due to safety concerns navigating the narrow lock between Langton Dock and the river mersey ) the council decided that since there was a landing stage facility in the river for day visits ,it was a sensible idea to get the restrictions on use changed , in order to save losing trade such as Fred Olsen cruises that had operated from Langton Dock. When the change was allowed the cruise terminal buildings in Langton Dock closed and a temporary cruise terminal building ( baggage hall / customs ) was established on land above the landing stage at Princes Dock. This terminal consists of a marque type structure owned and run by the city council. This will shortly be replaced by baggage / customs facilities in the original icon world heritage Cunard Building cruise terminal at the Pierhead a short distance away. Since there are now no restrictions on the use of the facility in the river ( the floating pontoon landing stage ) , it is reasonable for cruise ship companies to want to have both day visits and turnarounds for their cruise ships, especially when those ships can tie up alongside the majestic and historical buildings at the Pierhead that are one of the six area's within the city that make up the Liverpool Mercantile Maritime World Heritage Site. In order to get the full details of the WHS see the following site. http://www.liverpool worldheritage.com/ in search of the truth
  • Score: 4

12:08am Thu 13 Mar 14

SFC-Matt says...

Zoltar Speaks wrote:
SFC-Matt wrote: All of these comments are irrelevant. The cruise companies do not care about facilities, transport etc. in Southampton/Liverpoo l. Their only motivation is making a profit. It is much more profitable to start and end a cruise in Southampton where the infrastructure to support these ships is already in place. It also eliminates the need for an extra undesirable and unprofitable sea day which would be the case if the ship had turnarounds in Liverpool. This decision will affect Southampton negligibly.
Plenty of people up north would find it easier to get to Liverpool to start a cruise, why travel to Southampton when you don't have to?
Can you read?
[quote][p][bold]Zoltar Speaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SFC-Matt[/bold] wrote: All of these comments are irrelevant. The cruise companies do not care about facilities, transport etc. in Southampton/Liverpoo l. Their only motivation is making a profit. It is much more profitable to start and end a cruise in Southampton where the infrastructure to support these ships is already in place. It also eliminates the need for an extra undesirable and unprofitable sea day which would be the case if the ship had turnarounds in Liverpool. This decision will affect Southampton negligibly.[/p][/quote]Plenty of people up north would find it easier to get to Liverpool to start a cruise, why travel to Southampton when you don't have to?[/p][/quote]Can you read? SFC-Matt
  • Score: 3

1:32am Thu 13 Mar 14

JiS724 says...

As someone from Liverpool and is studying at the University of Southampton I can confirm there is no comparison between the two cities; Liverpool is by far superior! What is there to do in Southampton? The city lacks any character, and is riddled with countless concrete high rises. Liverpool boasts numerous attractions in culture, architecture, history, music, and is, in my opinion, a much more friendlier place. I beg you to visit Liverpool before you post comments about the city. There is simple no comparison, this 'uproar' simply displays Southampton's worries.
As someone from Liverpool and is studying at the University of Southampton I can confirm there is no comparison between the two cities; Liverpool is by far superior! What is there to do in Southampton? The city lacks any character, and is riddled with countless concrete high rises. Liverpool boasts numerous attractions in culture, architecture, history, music, and is, in my opinion, a much more friendlier place. I beg you to visit Liverpool before you post comments about the city. There is simple no comparison, this 'uproar' simply displays Southampton's worries. JiS724
  • Score: 10

6:09am Thu 13 Mar 14

skeptik says...

Where has the 'competition is good' mantra gone or is that for others.
Where has the 'competition is good' mantra gone or is that for others. skeptik
  • Score: 4

6:55am Thu 13 Mar 14

scousertommy says...

loosehead wrote:
scousertommy wrote:
Lets just face the facts people will make up their own minds whether they wish to embark their cruise ship in a crude container port or in a world famous UNESCO World Heritage Site with the spiritual home of Cunard featuring as a back drop of the 3 Graces.

Booking for Cunard's transatlantic cruise open tomorrow when this cruise is part of Cunard's 175th anniversary celebrations happen in Liverpool next year and NOT Southampton (incidentally all 3 Queens will be in the Mersey at the same time so it will be pretty quiet in your southern backwater). This cruise is already over subscribed and they probably could sell it quite a few times over, so lets compare this with a similar cruise from your container port?

I love the taste of sweet victory and hope you get over it soon....NOT

Won't be long before Cunard and Princess follow Ford out of Southampton eh...
crude container port? walking along from the Albert dock at about 11am & seeing families walking along the same stretch what a great heritage confronted those Liverpool children.
Teenagers out of their heads on drugs what a great sight they made to the other tourists as well?
the hotel Staff told us not to go into town or by the waterfront at night as it wasn't safe what a great advert that was.
Now if you want we can all sling mud at each others city & as I've already said on a post about Southamptons Historical past I don't want to say it again.
Look it was your lying councillors that brought about this not the people of Liverpool nor the people of Southampton so instead of slagging off this city why don't you prove all the knockers of scousers wrong & admit your council lied to get this facility?
When did you take your fictitious trip 'oop north' to the 'Pool of Life' as in the 50 years I have lived here I have never seen anyone high on drugs around the Albert Dock especially kids as you describe. Can you also enlighten us as to which hotel you allegedly stayed in which informed you of a load of nonsense, I will take this up with them.

By the way, do a bit of research and you will find out Liverpool is the 3rd most popular destination for a weekend break, number one location for a night out (Trip Adviser) the list goes on and on...

Have a look on Google and see the fine architecture our cruise passengers see on their way in.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scousertommy[/bold] wrote: Lets just face the facts people will make up their own minds whether they wish to embark their cruise ship in a crude container port or in a world famous UNESCO World Heritage Site with the spiritual home of Cunard featuring as a back drop of the 3 Graces. Booking for Cunard's transatlantic cruise open tomorrow when this cruise is part of Cunard's 175th anniversary celebrations happen in Liverpool next year and NOT Southampton (incidentally all 3 Queens will be in the Mersey at the same time so it will be pretty quiet in your southern backwater). This cruise is already over subscribed and they probably could sell it quite a few times over, so lets compare this with a similar cruise from your container port? I love the taste of sweet victory and hope you get over it soon....NOT Won't be long before Cunard and Princess follow Ford out of Southampton eh...[/p][/quote]crude container port? walking along from the Albert dock at about 11am & seeing families walking along the same stretch what a great heritage confronted those Liverpool children. Teenagers out of their heads on drugs what a great sight they made to the other tourists as well? the hotel Staff told us not to go into town or by the waterfront at night as it wasn't safe what a great advert that was. Now if you want we can all sling mud at each others city & as I've already said on a post about Southamptons Historical past I don't want to say it again. Look it was your lying councillors that brought about this not the people of Liverpool nor the people of Southampton so instead of slagging off this city why don't you prove all the knockers of scousers wrong & admit your council lied to get this facility?[/p][/quote]When did you take your fictitious trip 'oop north' to the 'Pool of Life' as in the 50 years I have lived here I have never seen anyone high on drugs around the Albert Dock especially kids as you describe. Can you also enlighten us as to which hotel you allegedly stayed in which informed you of a load of nonsense, I will take this up with them. By the way, do a bit of research and you will find out Liverpool is the 3rd most popular destination for a weekend break, number one location for a night out (Trip Adviser) the list goes on and on... Have a look on Google and see the fine architecture our cruise passengers see on their way in. scousertommy
  • Score: 6

7:30am Thu 13 Mar 14

loosehead says...

scousertommy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
scousertommy wrote:
Lets just face the facts people will make up their own minds whether they wish to embark their cruise ship in a crude container port or in a world famous UNESCO World Heritage Site with the spiritual home of Cunard featuring as a back drop of the 3 Graces.

Booking for Cunard's transatlantic cruise open tomorrow when this cruise is part of Cunard's 175th anniversary celebrations happen in Liverpool next year and NOT Southampton (incidentally all 3 Queens will be in the Mersey at the same time so it will be pretty quiet in your southern backwater). This cruise is already over subscribed and they probably could sell it quite a few times over, so lets compare this with a similar cruise from your container port?

I love the taste of sweet victory and hope you get over it soon....NOT

Won't be long before Cunard and Princess follow Ford out of Southampton eh...
crude container port? walking along from the Albert dock at about 11am & seeing families walking along the same stretch what a great heritage confronted those Liverpool children.
Teenagers out of their heads on drugs what a great sight they made to the other tourists as well?
the hotel Staff told us not to go into town or by the waterfront at night as it wasn't safe what a great advert that was.
Now if you want we can all sling mud at each others city & as I've already said on a post about Southamptons Historical past I don't want to say it again.
Look it was your lying councillors that brought about this not the people of Liverpool nor the people of Southampton so instead of slagging off this city why don't you prove all the knockers of scousers wrong & admit your council lied to get this facility?
When did you take your fictitious trip 'oop north' to the 'Pool of Life' as in the 50 years I have lived here I have never seen anyone high on drugs around the Albert Dock especially kids as you describe. Can you also enlighten us as to which hotel you allegedly stayed in which informed you of a load of nonsense, I will take this up with them.

By the way, do a bit of research and you will find out Liverpool is the 3rd most popular destination for a weekend break, number one location for a night out (Trip Adviser) the list goes on and on...

Have a look on Google and see the fine architecture our cruise passengers see on their way in.
My wife & I stayed in the Ibis Hotel Wapping Street/Albert Docks. August was the month.
Look I was only trying to point out each city has it's problems but why oh !why are so many scousers coming on here with so much venom against this city?
We also have so much in common, You have a Lying Labour Council that wanted a stop start Cruise facility but applied for a turnaround facility all the time knowing as soon as possible you would apply for change of use & when I say you I mean the council.
We (our council) promised the Earth said the Tories would cut jobs & services called a reporter on this paper a liar for printing the cuts to both services & jobs before the local elections then this Labour council still lied & about their own councillors so in that we have a lot in common.
I personally think Liverpool was sucker punched by Portsmouth, They had ambitions of their own to become a medium sized (ships) cruise port so to draw you away from those type of shipping companies they backed you in a war(?) with all other cruise ports .
they then built their terminal ( private money) got cruise lines with medium ships interested & then turned on you so surely your venom should be turned on them not us?
[quote][p][bold]scousertommy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scousertommy[/bold] wrote: Lets just face the facts people will make up their own minds whether they wish to embark their cruise ship in a crude container port or in a world famous UNESCO World Heritage Site with the spiritual home of Cunard featuring as a back drop of the 3 Graces. Booking for Cunard's transatlantic cruise open tomorrow when this cruise is part of Cunard's 175th anniversary celebrations happen in Liverpool next year and NOT Southampton (incidentally all 3 Queens will be in the Mersey at the same time so it will be pretty quiet in your southern backwater). This cruise is already over subscribed and they probably could sell it quite a few times over, so lets compare this with a similar cruise from your container port? I love the taste of sweet victory and hope you get over it soon....NOT Won't be long before Cunard and Princess follow Ford out of Southampton eh...[/p][/quote]crude container port? walking along from the Albert dock at about 11am & seeing families walking along the same stretch what a great heritage confronted those Liverpool children. Teenagers out of their heads on drugs what a great sight they made to the other tourists as well? the hotel Staff told us not to go into town or by the waterfront at night as it wasn't safe what a great advert that was. Now if you want we can all sling mud at each others city & as I've already said on a post about Southamptons Historical past I don't want to say it again. Look it was your lying councillors that brought about this not the people of Liverpool nor the people of Southampton so instead of slagging off this city why don't you prove all the knockers of scousers wrong & admit your council lied to get this facility?[/p][/quote]When did you take your fictitious trip 'oop north' to the 'Pool of Life' as in the 50 years I have lived here I have never seen anyone high on drugs around the Albert Dock especially kids as you describe. Can you also enlighten us as to which hotel you allegedly stayed in which informed you of a load of nonsense, I will take this up with them. By the way, do a bit of research and you will find out Liverpool is the 3rd most popular destination for a weekend break, number one location for a night out (Trip Adviser) the list goes on and on... Have a look on Google and see the fine architecture our cruise passengers see on their way in.[/p][/quote]My wife & I stayed in the Ibis Hotel Wapping Street/Albert Docks. August was the month. Look I was only trying to point out each city has it's problems but why oh !why are so many scousers coming on here with so much venom against this city? We also have so much in common, You have a Lying Labour Council that wanted a stop start Cruise facility but applied for a turnaround facility all the time knowing as soon as possible you would apply for change of use & when I say you I mean the council. We (our council) promised the Earth said the Tories would cut jobs & services called a reporter on this paper a liar for printing the cuts to both services & jobs before the local elections then this Labour council still lied & about their own councillors so in that we have a lot in common. I personally think Liverpool was sucker punched by Portsmouth, They had ambitions of their own to become a medium sized (ships) cruise port so to draw you away from those type of shipping companies they backed you in a war(?) with all other cruise ports . they then built their terminal ( private money) got cruise lines with medium ships interested & then turned on you so surely your venom should be turned on them not us? loosehead
  • Score: 0

8:23am Thu 13 Mar 14

in search of the truth says...

loosehead wrote:
scousertommy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
scousertommy wrote:
Lets just face the facts people will make up their own minds whether they wish to embark their cruise ship in a crude container port or in a world famous UNESCO World Heritage Site with the spiritual home of Cunard featuring as a back drop of the 3 Graces.

Booking for Cunard's transatlantic cruise open tomorrow when this cruise is part of Cunard's 175th anniversary celebrations happen in Liverpool next year and NOT Southampton (incidentally all 3 Queens will be in the Mersey at the same time so it will be pretty quiet in your southern backwater). This cruise is already over subscribed and they probably could sell it quite a few times over, so lets compare this with a similar cruise from your container port?

I love the taste of sweet victory and hope you get over it soon....NOT

Won't be long before Cunard and Princess follow Ford out of Southampton eh...
crude container port? walking along from the Albert dock at about 11am & seeing families walking along the same stretch what a great heritage confronted those Liverpool children.
Teenagers out of their heads on drugs what a great sight they made to the other tourists as well?
the hotel Staff told us not to go into town or by the waterfront at night as it wasn't safe what a great advert that was.
Now if you want we can all sling mud at each others city & as I've already said on a post about Southamptons Historical past I don't want to say it again.
Look it was your lying councillors that brought about this not the people of Liverpool nor the people of Southampton so instead of slagging off this city why don't you prove all the knockers of scousers wrong & admit your council lied to get this facility?
When did you take your fictitious trip 'oop north' to the 'Pool of Life' as in the 50 years I have lived here I have never seen anyone high on drugs around the Albert Dock especially kids as you describe. Can you also enlighten us as to which hotel you allegedly stayed in which informed you of a load of nonsense, I will take this up with them.

By the way, do a bit of research and you will find out Liverpool is the 3rd most popular destination for a weekend break, number one location for a night out (Trip Adviser) the list goes on and on...

Have a look on Google and see the fine architecture our cruise passengers see on their way in.
My wife & I stayed in the Ibis Hotel Wapping Street/Albert Docks. August was the month.
Look I was only trying to point out each city has it's problems but why oh !why are so many scousers coming on here with so much venom against this city?
We also have so much in common, You have a Lying Labour Council that wanted a stop start Cruise facility but applied for a turnaround facility all the time knowing as soon as possible you would apply for change of use & when I say you I mean the council.
We (our council) promised the Earth said the Tories would cut jobs & services called a reporter on this paper a liar for printing the cuts to both services & jobs before the local elections then this Labour council still lied & about their own councillors so in that we have a lot in common.
I personally think Liverpool was sucker punched by Portsmouth, They had ambitions of their own to become a medium sized (ships) cruise port so to draw you away from those type of shipping companies they backed you in a war(?) with all other cruise ports .
they then built their terminal ( private money) got cruise lines with medium ships interested & then turned on you so surely your venom should be turned on them not us?
This so called venom you say we have against Southampton is a figment of your imagination.
The real truth of the matter is that this paper and its so called " Cruise Wars " campaign mis-represented the origins of why the cruise floating landing stage was originally built and the safety and economic reasons change of use was applied for. numberrous people from Liverpool have tried to present you with the facts and figures but you all appear incapable of understanding them.
Your local press stoke this matter up and distort every fact. If Southampton has such a vast monopoly of the cruise business and Liverpool has something like a few percentage points then there is no way Liverpool can be regarded as a RIVAL to Southampton. It may be another small cruise port but it is not a full blown rival. Because of the draw of London and the close proximity of Dover and others near London, any expansion there could and would be a very big threat to Southampton.
If this paper and some individuals who comment about Liverpool ( but have probably never been here ) would stop their aggressive and often crude and obscene attacks on Liverpool and it's people , then we might stop reading and commenting in this paper about the mis-represetation that has gone on for far too long.

I suggest that you have real problems closer to home and need to realise that this paper and its Editor should be challenged about its involvement in your councils plan to sell off parts of your city's cultural heritage which is not theirs to sell. Of course your paper goes for the sensational headlines to sell as many copies as it can and of course that means using the " CRUISE WARS " battle headline.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scousertommy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scousertommy[/bold] wrote: Lets just face the facts people will make up their own minds whether they wish to embark their cruise ship in a crude container port or in a world famous UNESCO World Heritage Site with the spiritual home of Cunard featuring as a back drop of the 3 Graces. Booking for Cunard's transatlantic cruise open tomorrow when this cruise is part of Cunard's 175th anniversary celebrations happen in Liverpool next year and NOT Southampton (incidentally all 3 Queens will be in the Mersey at the same time so it will be pretty quiet in your southern backwater). This cruise is already over subscribed and they probably could sell it quite a few times over, so lets compare this with a similar cruise from your container port? I love the taste of sweet victory and hope you get over it soon....NOT Won't be long before Cunard and Princess follow Ford out of Southampton eh...[/p][/quote]crude container port? walking along from the Albert dock at about 11am & seeing families walking along the same stretch what a great heritage confronted those Liverpool children. Teenagers out of their heads on drugs what a great sight they made to the other tourists as well? the hotel Staff told us not to go into town or by the waterfront at night as it wasn't safe what a great advert that was. Now if you want we can all sling mud at each others city & as I've already said on a post about Southamptons Historical past I don't want to say it again. Look it was your lying councillors that brought about this not the people of Liverpool nor the people of Southampton so instead of slagging off this city why don't you prove all the knockers of scousers wrong & admit your council lied to get this facility?[/p][/quote]When did you take your fictitious trip 'oop north' to the 'Pool of Life' as in the 50 years I have lived here I have never seen anyone high on drugs around the Albert Dock especially kids as you describe. Can you also enlighten us as to which hotel you allegedly stayed in which informed you of a load of nonsense, I will take this up with them. By the way, do a bit of research and you will find out Liverpool is the 3rd most popular destination for a weekend break, number one location for a night out (Trip Adviser) the list goes on and on... Have a look on Google and see the fine architecture our cruise passengers see on their way in.[/p][/quote]My wife & I stayed in the Ibis Hotel Wapping Street/Albert Docks. August was the month. Look I was only trying to point out each city has it's problems but why oh !why are so many scousers coming on here with so much venom against this city? We also have so much in common, You have a Lying Labour Council that wanted a stop start Cruise facility but applied for a turnaround facility all the time knowing as soon as possible you would apply for change of use & when I say you I mean the council. We (our council) promised the Earth said the Tories would cut jobs & services called a reporter on this paper a liar for printing the cuts to both services & jobs before the local elections then this Labour council still lied & about their own councillors so in that we have a lot in common. I personally think Liverpool was sucker punched by Portsmouth, They had ambitions of their own to become a medium sized (ships) cruise port so to draw you away from those type of shipping companies they backed you in a war(?) with all other cruise ports . they then built their terminal ( private money) got cruise lines with medium ships interested & then turned on you so surely your venom should be turned on them not us?[/p][/quote]This so called venom you say we have against Southampton is a figment of your imagination. The real truth of the matter is that this paper and its so called " Cruise Wars " campaign mis-represented the origins of why the cruise floating landing stage was originally built and the safety and economic reasons change of use was applied for. numberrous people from Liverpool have tried to present you with the facts and figures but you all appear incapable of understanding them. Your local press stoke this matter up and distort every fact. If Southampton has such a vast monopoly of the cruise business and Liverpool has something like a few percentage points then there is no way Liverpool can be regarded as a RIVAL to Southampton. It may be another small cruise port but it is not a full blown rival. Because of the draw of London and the close proximity of Dover and others near London, any expansion there could and would be a very big threat to Southampton. If this paper and some individuals who comment about Liverpool ( but have probably never been here ) would stop their aggressive and often crude and obscene attacks on Liverpool and it's people , then we might stop reading and commenting in this paper about the mis-represetation that has gone on for far too long. I suggest that you have real problems closer to home and need to realise that this paper and its Editor should be challenged about its involvement in your councils plan to sell off parts of your city's cultural heritage which is not theirs to sell. Of course your paper goes for the sensational headlines to sell as many copies as it can and of course that means using the " CRUISE WARS " battle headline. in search of the truth
  • Score: 5

11:06am Thu 13 Mar 14

Zoltar Speaks says...

SFC-Matt wrote:
Zoltar Speaks wrote:
SFC-Matt wrote: All of these comments are irrelevant. The cruise companies do not care about facilities, transport etc. in Southampton/Liverpoo l. Their only motivation is making a profit. It is much more profitable to start and end a cruise in Southampton where the infrastructure to support these ships is already in place. It also eliminates the need for an extra undesirable and unprofitable sea day which would be the case if the ship had turnarounds in Liverpool. This decision will affect Southampton negligibly.
Plenty of people up north would find it easier to get to Liverpool to start a cruise, why travel to Southampton when you don't have to?
Can you read?
Yes
[quote][p][bold]SFC-Matt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zoltar Speaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SFC-Matt[/bold] wrote: All of these comments are irrelevant. The cruise companies do not care about facilities, transport etc. in Southampton/Liverpoo l. Their only motivation is making a profit. It is much more profitable to start and end a cruise in Southampton where the infrastructure to support these ships is already in place. It also eliminates the need for an extra undesirable and unprofitable sea day which would be the case if the ship had turnarounds in Liverpool. This decision will affect Southampton negligibly.[/p][/quote]Plenty of people up north would find it easier to get to Liverpool to start a cruise, why travel to Southampton when you don't have to?[/p][/quote]Can you read?[/p][/quote]Yes Zoltar Speaks
  • Score: 0

11:18am Thu 13 Mar 14

Zoltar Speaks says...

SFC-Matt wrote:
Zoltar Speaks wrote:
SFC-Matt wrote: All of these comments are irrelevant. The cruise companies do not care about facilities, transport etc. in Southampton/Liverpoo l. Their only motivation is making a profit. It is much more profitable to start and end a cruise in Southampton where the infrastructure to support these ships is already in place. It also eliminates the need for an extra undesirable and unprofitable sea day which would be the case if the ship had turnarounds in Liverpool. This decision will affect Southampton negligibly.
Plenty of people up north would find it easier to get to Liverpool to start a cruise, why travel to Southampton when you don't have to?
Can you read?
Can you handle the traffic? Obviously not... http://www.dailyecho
.co.uk/news/11072453
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[quote][p][bold]SFC-Matt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zoltar Speaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SFC-Matt[/bold] wrote: All of these comments are irrelevant. The cruise companies do not care about facilities, transport etc. in Southampton/Liverpoo l. Their only motivation is making a profit. It is much more profitable to start and end a cruise in Southampton where the infrastructure to support these ships is already in place. It also eliminates the need for an extra undesirable and unprofitable sea day which would be the case if the ship had turnarounds in Liverpool. This decision will affect Southampton negligibly.[/p][/quote]Plenty of people up north would find it easier to get to Liverpool to start a cruise, why travel to Southampton when you don't have to?[/p][/quote]Can you read?[/p][/quote]Can you handle the traffic? Obviously not... http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/news/11072453 .Drivers_to_stay_awa y_from_city_today_to _avoid_traffic_chaos / Zoltar Speaks
  • Score: 1

11:32am Thu 13 Mar 14

loosehead says...

in search of the truth wrote:
loosehead wrote:
scousertommy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
scousertommy wrote:
Lets just face the facts people will make up their own minds whether they wish to embark their cruise ship in a crude container port or in a world famous UNESCO World Heritage Site with the spiritual home of Cunard featuring as a back drop of the 3 Graces.

Booking for Cunard's transatlantic cruise open tomorrow when this cruise is part of Cunard's 175th anniversary celebrations happen in Liverpool next year and NOT Southampton (incidentally all 3 Queens will be in the Mersey at the same time so it will be pretty quiet in your southern backwater). This cruise is already over subscribed and they probably could sell it quite a few times over, so lets compare this with a similar cruise from your container port?

I love the taste of sweet victory and hope you get over it soon....NOT

Won't be long before Cunard and Princess follow Ford out of Southampton eh...
crude container port? walking along from the Albert dock at about 11am & seeing families walking along the same stretch what a great heritage confronted those Liverpool children.
Teenagers out of their heads on drugs what a great sight they made to the other tourists as well?
the hotel Staff told us not to go into town or by the waterfront at night as it wasn't safe what a great advert that was.
Now if you want we can all sling mud at each others city & as I've already said on a post about Southamptons Historical past I don't want to say it again.
Look it was your lying councillors that brought about this not the people of Liverpool nor the people of Southampton so instead of slagging off this city why don't you prove all the knockers of scousers wrong & admit your council lied to get this facility?
When did you take your fictitious trip 'oop north' to the 'Pool of Life' as in the 50 years I have lived here I have never seen anyone high on drugs around the Albert Dock especially kids as you describe. Can you also enlighten us as to which hotel you allegedly stayed in which informed you of a load of nonsense, I will take this up with them.

By the way, do a bit of research and you will find out Liverpool is the 3rd most popular destination for a weekend break, number one location for a night out (Trip Adviser) the list goes on and on...

Have a look on Google and see the fine architecture our cruise passengers see on their way in.
My wife & I stayed in the Ibis Hotel Wapping Street/Albert Docks. August was the month.
Look I was only trying to point out each city has it's problems but why oh !why are so many scousers coming on here with so much venom against this city?
We also have so much in common, You have a Lying Labour Council that wanted a stop start Cruise facility but applied for a turnaround facility all the time knowing as soon as possible you would apply for change of use & when I say you I mean the council.
We (our council) promised the Earth said the Tories would cut jobs & services called a reporter on this paper a liar for printing the cuts to both services & jobs before the local elections then this Labour council still lied & about their own councillors so in that we have a lot in common.
I personally think Liverpool was sucker punched by Portsmouth, They had ambitions of their own to become a medium sized (ships) cruise port so to draw you away from those type of shipping companies they backed you in a war(?) with all other cruise ports .
they then built their terminal ( private money) got cruise lines with medium ships interested & then turned on you so surely your venom should be turned on them not us?
This so called venom you say we have against Southampton is a figment of your imagination.
The real truth of the matter is that this paper and its so called " Cruise Wars " campaign mis-represented the origins of why the cruise floating landing stage was originally built and the safety and economic reasons change of use was applied for. numberrous people from Liverpool have tried to present you with the facts and figures but you all appear incapable of understanding them.
Your local press stoke this matter up and distort every fact. If Southampton has such a vast monopoly of the cruise business and Liverpool has something like a few percentage points then there is no way Liverpool can be regarded as a RIVAL to Southampton. It may be another small cruise port but it is not a full blown rival. Because of the draw of London and the close proximity of Dover and others near London, any expansion there could and would be a very big threat to Southampton.
If this paper and some individuals who comment about Liverpool ( but have probably never been here ) would stop their aggressive and often crude and obscene attacks on Liverpool and it's people , then we might stop reading and commenting in this paper about the mis-represetation that has gone on for far too long.

I suggest that you have real problems closer to home and need to realise that this paper and its Editor should be challenged about its involvement in your councils plan to sell off parts of your city's cultural heritage which is not theirs to sell. Of course your paper goes for the sensational headlines to sell as many copies as it can and of course that means using the " CRUISE WARS " battle headline.
How many Southampton people went on your local papers facebook page & laughed because you had to pay money back to the government?
Yet here straight away we have Scousers on here slagging off our city & boasting that they've won the war?
I was going up to Liverpool two weeks ago to look at buying a house but all the hotels were full so how the hell will you cope with say two cruise ships with 9,000 passengers if they all want to stay in a hotel?
[quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scousertommy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scousertommy[/bold] wrote: Lets just face the facts people will make up their own minds whether they wish to embark their cruise ship in a crude container port or in a world famous UNESCO World Heritage Site with the spiritual home of Cunard featuring as a back drop of the 3 Graces. Booking for Cunard's transatlantic cruise open tomorrow when this cruise is part of Cunard's 175th anniversary celebrations happen in Liverpool next year and NOT Southampton (incidentally all 3 Queens will be in the Mersey at the same time so it will be pretty quiet in your southern backwater). This cruise is already over subscribed and they probably could sell it quite a few times over, so lets compare this with a similar cruise from your container port? I love the taste of sweet victory and hope you get over it soon....NOT Won't be long before Cunard and Princess follow Ford out of Southampton eh...[/p][/quote]crude container port? walking along from the Albert dock at about 11am & seeing families walking along the same stretch what a great heritage confronted those Liverpool children. Teenagers out of their heads on drugs what a great sight they made to the other tourists as well? the hotel Staff told us not to go into town or by the waterfront at night as it wasn't safe what a great advert that was. Now if you want we can all sling mud at each others city & as I've already said on a post about Southamptons Historical past I don't want to say it again. Look it was your lying councillors that brought about this not the people of Liverpool nor the people of Southampton so instead of slagging off this city why don't you prove all the knockers of scousers wrong & admit your council lied to get this facility?[/p][/quote]When did you take your fictitious trip 'oop north' to the 'Pool of Life' as in the 50 years I have lived here I have never seen anyone high on drugs around the Albert Dock especially kids as you describe. Can you also enlighten us as to which hotel you allegedly stayed in which informed you of a load of nonsense, I will take this up with them. By the way, do a bit of research and you will find out Liverpool is the 3rd most popular destination for a weekend break, number one location for a night out (Trip Adviser) the list goes on and on... Have a look on Google and see the fine architecture our cruise passengers see on their way in.[/p][/quote]My wife & I stayed in the Ibis Hotel Wapping Street/Albert Docks. August was the month. Look I was only trying to point out each city has it's problems but why oh !why are so many scousers coming on here with so much venom against this city? We also have so much in common, You have a Lying Labour Council that wanted a stop start Cruise facility but applied for a turnaround facility all the time knowing as soon as possible you would apply for change of use & when I say you I mean the council. We (our council) promised the Earth said the Tories would cut jobs & services called a reporter on this paper a liar for printing the cuts to both services & jobs before the local elections then this Labour council still lied & about their own councillors so in that we have a lot in common. I personally think Liverpool was sucker punched by Portsmouth, They had ambitions of their own to become a medium sized (ships) cruise port so to draw you away from those type of shipping companies they backed you in a war(?) with all other cruise ports . they then built their terminal ( private money) got cruise lines with medium ships interested & then turned on you so surely your venom should be turned on them not us?[/p][/quote]This so called venom you say we have against Southampton is a figment of your imagination. The real truth of the matter is that this paper and its so called " Cruise Wars " campaign mis-represented the origins of why the cruise floating landing stage was originally built and the safety and economic reasons change of use was applied for. numberrous people from Liverpool have tried to present you with the facts and figures but you all appear incapable of understanding them. Your local press stoke this matter up and distort every fact. If Southampton has such a vast monopoly of the cruise business and Liverpool has something like a few percentage points then there is no way Liverpool can be regarded as a RIVAL to Southampton. It may be another small cruise port but it is not a full blown rival. Because of the draw of London and the close proximity of Dover and others near London, any expansion there could and would be a very big threat to Southampton. If this paper and some individuals who comment about Liverpool ( but have probably never been here ) would stop their aggressive and often crude and obscene attacks on Liverpool and it's people , then we might stop reading and commenting in this paper about the mis-represetation that has gone on for far too long. I suggest that you have real problems closer to home and need to realise that this paper and its Editor should be challenged about its involvement in your councils plan to sell off parts of your city's cultural heritage which is not theirs to sell. Of course your paper goes for the sensational headlines to sell as many copies as it can and of course that means using the " CRUISE WARS " battle headline.[/p][/quote]How many Southampton people went on your local papers facebook page & laughed because you had to pay money back to the government? Yet here straight away we have Scousers on here slagging off our city & boasting that they've won the war? I was going up to Liverpool two weeks ago to look at buying a house but all the hotels were full so how the hell will you cope with say two cruise ships with 9,000 passengers if they all want to stay in a hotel? loosehead
  • Score: 0

11:38am Thu 13 Mar 14

loosehead says...

in search of the truth wrote:
loosehead wrote:
scousertommy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
scousertommy wrote:
Lets just face the facts people will make up their own minds whether they wish to embark their cruise ship in a crude container port or in a world famous UNESCO World Heritage Site with the spiritual home of Cunard featuring as a back drop of the 3 Graces.

Booking for Cunard's transatlantic cruise open tomorrow when this cruise is part of Cunard's 175th anniversary celebrations happen in Liverpool next year and NOT Southampton (incidentally all 3 Queens will be in the Mersey at the same time so it will be pretty quiet in your southern backwater). This cruise is already over subscribed and they probably could sell it quite a few times over, so lets compare this with a similar cruise from your container port?

I love the taste of sweet victory and hope you get over it soon....NOT

Won't be long before Cunard and Princess follow Ford out of Southampton eh...
crude container port? walking along from the Albert dock at about 11am & seeing families walking along the same stretch what a great heritage confronted those Liverpool children.
Teenagers out of their heads on drugs what a great sight they made to the other tourists as well?
the hotel Staff told us not to go into town or by the waterfront at night as it wasn't safe what a great advert that was.
Now if you want we can all sling mud at each others city & as I've already said on a post about Southamptons Historical past I don't want to say it again.
Look it was your lying councillors that brought about this not the people of Liverpool nor the people of Southampton so instead of slagging off this city why don't you prove all the knockers of scousers wrong & admit your council lied to get this facility?
When did you take your fictitious trip 'oop north' to the 'Pool of Life' as in the 50 years I have lived here I have never seen anyone high on drugs around the Albert Dock especially kids as you describe. Can you also enlighten us as to which hotel you allegedly stayed in which informed you of a load of nonsense, I will take this up with them.

By the way, do a bit of research and you will find out Liverpool is the 3rd most popular destination for a weekend break, number one location for a night out (Trip Adviser) the list goes on and on...

Have a look on Google and see the fine architecture our cruise passengers see on their way in.
My wife & I stayed in the Ibis Hotel Wapping Street/Albert Docks. August was the month.
Look I was only trying to point out each city has it's problems but why oh !why are so many scousers coming on here with so much venom against this city?
We also have so much in common, You have a Lying Labour Council that wanted a stop start Cruise facility but applied for a turnaround facility all the time knowing as soon as possible you would apply for change of use & when I say you I mean the council.
We (our council) promised the Earth said the Tories would cut jobs & services called a reporter on this paper a liar for printing the cuts to both services & jobs before the local elections then this Labour council still lied & about their own councillors so in that we have a lot in common.
I personally think Liverpool was sucker punched by Portsmouth, They had ambitions of their own to become a medium sized (ships) cruise port so to draw you away from those type of shipping companies they backed you in a war(?) with all other cruise ports .
they then built their terminal ( private money) got cruise lines with medium ships interested & then turned on you so surely your venom should be turned on them not us?
This so called venom you say we have against Southampton is a figment of your imagination.
The real truth of the matter is that this paper and its so called " Cruise Wars " campaign mis-represented the origins of why the cruise floating landing stage was originally built and the safety and economic reasons change of use was applied for. numberrous people from Liverpool have tried to present you with the facts and figures but you all appear incapable of understanding them.
Your local press stoke this matter up and distort every fact. If Southampton has such a vast monopoly of the cruise business and Liverpool has something like a few percentage points then there is no way Liverpool can be regarded as a RIVAL to Southampton. It may be another small cruise port but it is not a full blown rival. Because of the draw of London and the close proximity of Dover and others near London, any expansion there could and would be a very big threat to Southampton.
If this paper and some individuals who comment about Liverpool ( but have probably never been here ) would stop their aggressive and often crude and obscene attacks on Liverpool and it's people , then we might stop reading and commenting in this paper about the mis-represetation that has gone on for far too long.

I suggest that you have real problems closer to home and need to realise that this paper and its Editor should be challenged about its involvement in your councils plan to sell off parts of your city's cultural heritage which is not theirs to sell. Of course your paper goes for the sensational headlines to sell as many copies as it can and of course that means using the " CRUISE WARS " battle headline.
Joe Anderson was interviewed by a BBC South news reporter about the change of use of the floating dock.
He admitted there never ever was any intention of using it for turnaround they always wanted it for stop start purposes so if that's wrong why did your mayor say it?
I have cousins in Liverpool & Birkenhead oh! & Wallasey I have taken a lot of insults because I said I was moving to Liverpool I've been told scousers are worse than gypseys & are all either drug dealers or thieves which I reply that means half of my brothers & sisters & my father & his family.
But many have nothing bad to say about Liverpool you get morons every where
[quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scousertommy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scousertommy[/bold] wrote: Lets just face the facts people will make up their own minds whether they wish to embark their cruise ship in a crude container port or in a world famous UNESCO World Heritage Site with the spiritual home of Cunard featuring as a back drop of the 3 Graces. Booking for Cunard's transatlantic cruise open tomorrow when this cruise is part of Cunard's 175th anniversary celebrations happen in Liverpool next year and NOT Southampton (incidentally all 3 Queens will be in the Mersey at the same time so it will be pretty quiet in your southern backwater). This cruise is already over subscribed and they probably could sell it quite a few times over, so lets compare this with a similar cruise from your container port? I love the taste of sweet victory and hope you get over it soon....NOT Won't be long before Cunard and Princess follow Ford out of Southampton eh...[/p][/quote]crude container port? walking along from the Albert dock at about 11am & seeing families walking along the same stretch what a great heritage confronted those Liverpool children. Teenagers out of their heads on drugs what a great sight they made to the other tourists as well? the hotel Staff told us not to go into town or by the waterfront at night as it wasn't safe what a great advert that was. Now if you want we can all sling mud at each others city & as I've already said on a post about Southamptons Historical past I don't want to say it again. Look it was your lying councillors that brought about this not the people of Liverpool nor the people of Southampton so instead of slagging off this city why don't you prove all the knockers of scousers wrong & admit your council lied to get this facility?[/p][/quote]When did you take your fictitious trip 'oop north' to the 'Pool of Life' as in the 50 years I have lived here I have never seen anyone high on drugs around the Albert Dock especially kids as you describe. Can you also enlighten us as to which hotel you allegedly stayed in which informed you of a load of nonsense, I will take this up with them. By the way, do a bit of research and you will find out Liverpool is the 3rd most popular destination for a weekend break, number one location for a night out (Trip Adviser) the list goes on and on... Have a look on Google and see the fine architecture our cruise passengers see on their way in.[/p][/quote]My wife & I stayed in the Ibis Hotel Wapping Street/Albert Docks. August was the month. Look I was only trying to point out each city has it's problems but why oh !why are so many scousers coming on here with so much venom against this city? We also have so much in common, You have a Lying Labour Council that wanted a stop start Cruise facility but applied for a turnaround facility all the time knowing as soon as possible you would apply for change of use & when I say you I mean the council. We (our council) promised the Earth said the Tories would cut jobs & services called a reporter on this paper a liar for printing the cuts to both services & jobs before the local elections then this Labour council still lied & about their own councillors so in that we have a lot in common. I personally think Liverpool was sucker punched by Portsmouth, They had ambitions of their own to become a medium sized (ships) cruise port so to draw you away from those type of shipping companies they backed you in a war(?) with all other cruise ports . they then built their terminal ( private money) got cruise lines with medium ships interested & then turned on you so surely your venom should be turned on them not us?[/p][/quote]This so called venom you say we have against Southampton is a figment of your imagination. The real truth of the matter is that this paper and its so called " Cruise Wars " campaign mis-represented the origins of why the cruise floating landing stage was originally built and the safety and economic reasons change of use was applied for. numberrous people from Liverpool have tried to present you with the facts and figures but you all appear incapable of understanding them. Your local press stoke this matter up and distort every fact. If Southampton has such a vast monopoly of the cruise business and Liverpool has something like a few percentage points then there is no way Liverpool can be regarded as a RIVAL to Southampton. It may be another small cruise port but it is not a full blown rival. Because of the draw of London and the close proximity of Dover and others near London, any expansion there could and would be a very big threat to Southampton. If this paper and some individuals who comment about Liverpool ( but have probably never been here ) would stop their aggressive and often crude and obscene attacks on Liverpool and it's people , then we might stop reading and commenting in this paper about the mis-represetation that has gone on for far too long. I suggest that you have real problems closer to home and need to realise that this paper and its Editor should be challenged about its involvement in your councils plan to sell off parts of your city's cultural heritage which is not theirs to sell. Of course your paper goes for the sensational headlines to sell as many copies as it can and of course that means using the " CRUISE WARS " battle headline.[/p][/quote]Joe Anderson was interviewed by a BBC South news reporter about the change of use of the floating dock. He admitted there never ever was any intention of using it for turnaround they always wanted it for stop start purposes so if that's wrong why did your mayor say it? I have cousins in Liverpool & Birkenhead oh! & Wallasey I have taken a lot of insults because I said I was moving to Liverpool I've been told scousers are worse than gypseys & are all either drug dealers or thieves which I reply that means half of my brothers & sisters & my father & his family. But many have nothing bad to say about Liverpool you get morons every where loosehead
  • Score: 0

11:49am Thu 13 Mar 14

phil maccavity says...

I spend a good deal of time in Liverpool and enjoy my visits. The majority of people are warm, friendly and humorous, although there is a much darker side of life than you find down here but big cities will always have an edginess.
Liverpool was in terminal decline until EC Objective One status was given in 1994.
Since then European funding has provided approx. £2.3billion up to 2013 with another large tranche due between 2014 and 2020.
Over 2,000 schemes including large projects such as the port, airport, museums, roads and Liverpool arena have been pump primed with free cash.
There should be no problems with Liverpool Council, or any one else, looking to develop cruise facilities but why did they have to be so duplicitous in the way they went about it?
The people who were involved in the grant application at the time, including representatives from the NWDA, Liverpool City Council. Liverpool Vision, Mersey Partnership etc, wanted turnround status from the off but knew full well that their application would fail the EC competition rules if they were to be open about their application so they told porkies and, once the facility was built in 2007.(no one was allowed to call it a Terminal at the time on pain of death), the process to change the grant rules began.
This is the real reason why some other major cruise ports such as Southampton, Newcastle, Harwich etc have complained about breach of EC rules.
The Fred Olsen issue at Gladstone Dock (in 2011) was a red herring but it allowed the City Council to jump on a Peel Ports problem to enhance their own argument.
(Note here that Peel Ports, as the main beneficiary of cruise ship dues have not invested a penny in Liverpool cruise facilities.)
Rather surprisingly the EC seem to have gone against their anti competition rules, not for the first time, and given way on the matter!!
On the other hand the UK Govt took a different view.
The upshot is that Liverpool has acquired a half price facility/floating pontoon/terminal plus a tax payer funded (and architecturally stimulating to be fair) passenger building (from 2015)
Many people down here wonder how better Southampton would be with access to large amounts of grant money.
However that question will never be resolved. Apparently the area is deemed to be 'too wealthy'!!
It will be interesting to see how the cruise business shapes up in the next 5-10 years .and whether our new friends from Merseyside, and other areas,will maintain their interest in the Southern Echo website.
I spend a good deal of time in Liverpool and enjoy my visits. The majority of people are warm, friendly and humorous, although there is a much darker side of life than you find down here but big cities will always have an edginess. Liverpool was in terminal decline until EC Objective One status was given in 1994. Since then European funding has provided approx. £2.3billion up to 2013 with another large tranche due between 2014 and 2020. Over 2,000 schemes including large projects such as the port, airport, museums, roads and Liverpool arena have been pump primed with free cash. There should be no problems with Liverpool Council, or any one else, looking to develop cruise facilities but why did they have to be so duplicitous in the way they went about it? The people who were involved in the grant application at the time, including representatives from the NWDA, Liverpool City Council. Liverpool Vision, Mersey Partnership etc, wanted turnround status from the off but knew full well that their application would fail the EC competition rules if they were to be open about their application so they told porkies and, once the facility was built in 2007.(no one was allowed to call it a Terminal at the time on pain of death), the process to change the grant rules began. This is the real reason why some other major cruise ports such as Southampton, Newcastle, Harwich etc have complained about breach of EC rules. The Fred Olsen issue at Gladstone Dock (in 2011) was a red herring but it allowed the City Council to jump on a Peel Ports problem to enhance their own argument. (Note here that Peel Ports, as the main beneficiary of cruise ship dues have not invested a penny in Liverpool cruise facilities.) Rather surprisingly the EC seem to have gone against their anti competition rules, not for the first time, and given way on the matter!! On the other hand the UK Govt took a different view. The upshot is that Liverpool has acquired a half price facility/floating pontoon/terminal plus a tax payer funded (and architecturally stimulating to be fair) passenger building (from 2015) Many people down here wonder how better Southampton would be with access to large amounts of grant money. However that question will never be resolved. Apparently the area is deemed to be 'too wealthy'!! It will be interesting to see how the cruise business shapes up in the next 5-10 years .and whether our new friends from Merseyside, and other areas,will maintain their interest in the Southern Echo website. phil maccavity
  • Score: 0

12:34pm Thu 13 Mar 14

derek james says...

Rodger the Taxi Driver from Hythe wrote:
I don't think I've ever seen the words Liverpool and fantastic city together in one sentence before. It's a dump. An utter scum infested dump. It's. It's not a patch on Manchester or Leeds. The only benefit they will be getting is the increased footfall through their train stations as people 'oop north, choose to depart from there as it's closer to home. Horrible city with a massive chip on its shoulder.
even i thought that was a bit strong!
[quote][p][bold]Rodger the Taxi Driver from Hythe[/bold] wrote: I don't think I've ever seen the words Liverpool and fantastic city together in one sentence before. It's a dump. An utter scum infested dump. It's. It's not a patch on Manchester or Leeds. The only benefit they will be getting is the increased footfall through their train stations as people 'oop north, choose to depart from there as it's closer to home. Horrible city with a massive chip on its shoulder.[/p][/quote]even i thought that was a bit strong! derek james
  • Score: 0

1:10pm Thu 13 Mar 14

in search of the truth says...

loosehead wrote:
in search of the truth wrote:
loosehead wrote:
scousertommy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
scousertommy wrote:
Lets just face the facts people will make up their own minds whether they wish to embark their cruise ship in a crude container port or in a world famous UNESCO World Heritage Site with the spiritual home of Cunard featuring as a back drop of the 3 Graces.

Booking for Cunard's transatlantic cruise open tomorrow when this cruise is part of Cunard's 175th anniversary celebrations happen in Liverpool next year and NOT Southampton (incidentally all 3 Queens will be in the Mersey at the same time so it will be pretty quiet in your southern backwater). This cruise is already over subscribed and they probably could sell it quite a few times over, so lets compare this with a similar cruise from your container port?

I love the taste of sweet victory and hope you get over it soon....NOT

Won't be long before Cunard and Princess follow Ford out of Southampton eh...
crude container port? walking along from the Albert dock at about 11am & seeing families walking along the same stretch what a great heritage confronted those Liverpool children.
Teenagers out of their heads on drugs what a great sight they made to the other tourists as well?
the hotel Staff told us not to go into town or by the waterfront at night as it wasn't safe what a great advert that was.
Now if you want we can all sling mud at each others city & as I've already said on a post about Southamptons Historical past I don't want to say it again.
Look it was your lying councillors that brought about this not the people of Liverpool nor the people of Southampton so instead of slagging off this city why don't you prove all the knockers of scousers wrong & admit your council lied to get this facility?
When did you take your fictitious trip 'oop north' to the 'Pool of Life' as in the 50 years I have lived here I have never seen anyone high on drugs around the Albert Dock especially kids as you describe. Can you also enlighten us as to which hotel you allegedly stayed in which informed you of a load of nonsense, I will take this up with them.

By the way, do a bit of research and you will find out Liverpool is the 3rd most popular destination for a weekend break, number one location for a night out (Trip Adviser) the list goes on and on...

Have a look on Google and see the fine architecture our cruise passengers see on their way in.
My wife & I stayed in the Ibis Hotel Wapping Street/Albert Docks. August was the month.
Look I was only trying to point out each city has it's problems but why oh !why are so many scousers coming on here with so much venom against this city?
We also have so much in common, You have a Lying Labour Council that wanted a stop start Cruise facility but applied for a turnaround facility all the time knowing as soon as possible you would apply for change of use & when I say you I mean the council.
We (our council) promised the Earth said the Tories would cut jobs & services called a reporter on this paper a liar for printing the cuts to both services & jobs before the local elections then this Labour council still lied & about their own councillors so in that we have a lot in common.
I personally think Liverpool was sucker punched by Portsmouth, They had ambitions of their own to become a medium sized (ships) cruise port so to draw you away from those type of shipping companies they backed you in a war(?) with all other cruise ports .
they then built their terminal ( private money) got cruise lines with medium ships interested & then turned on you so surely your venom should be turned on them not us?
This so called venom you say we have against Southampton is a figment of your imagination.
The real truth of the matter is that this paper and its so called " Cruise Wars " campaign mis-represented the origins of why the cruise floating landing stage was originally built and the safety and economic reasons change of use was applied for. numberrous people from Liverpool have tried to present you with the facts and figures but you all appear incapable of understanding them.
Your local press stoke this matter up and distort every fact. If Southampton has such a vast monopoly of the cruise business and Liverpool has something like a few percentage points then there is no way Liverpool can be regarded as a RIVAL to Southampton. It may be another small cruise port but it is not a full blown rival. Because of the draw of London and the close proximity of Dover and others near London, any expansion there could and would be a very big threat to Southampton.
If this paper and some individuals who comment about Liverpool ( but have probably never been here ) would stop their aggressive and often crude and obscene attacks on Liverpool and it's people , then we might stop reading and commenting in this paper about the mis-represetation that has gone on for far too long.

I suggest that you have real problems closer to home and need to realise that this paper and its Editor should be challenged about its involvement in your councils plan to sell off parts of your city's cultural heritage which is not theirs to sell. Of course your paper goes for the sensational headlines to sell as many copies as it can and of course that means using the " CRUISE WARS " battle headline.
Joe Anderson was interviewed by a BBC South news reporter about the change of use of the floating dock.
He admitted there never ever was any intention of using it for turnaround they always wanted it for stop start purposes so if that's wrong why did your mayor say it?
I have cousins in Liverpool & Birkenhead oh! & Wallasey I have taken a lot of insults because I said I was moving to Liverpool I've been told scousers are worse than gypseys & are all either drug dealers or thieves which I reply that means half of my brothers & sisters & my father & his family.
But many have nothing bad to say about Liverpool you get morons every where
For the thousanth time it is not a floating dock it is a floating landing stage.

Loosehead you are a very devious person who comes on this posting, all sweetness and light, telling everybody that you so want to come and live in Liverpool etc and then you manipulate what you write to include all the usual totally false stereotypes of insulting remarks about anybody from my city under the guise of other people tell you this , that and the other about Liverpool.

Millions of people have visited Liverpool each year and the vast majority have stated that they like the place and the people and would definitely come back again. If you or anybody else wants more proof of this then they should visit .........

http://www.tripadvis
or.co.uk/Attractions
-g186337-Activities-
Liverpool_Merseyside
_England.htm

and judge for themselves , by reading comments left by thousands of visitors to our city.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scousertommy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scousertommy[/bold] wrote: Lets just face the facts people will make up their own minds whether they wish to embark their cruise ship in a crude container port or in a world famous UNESCO World Heritage Site with the spiritual home of Cunard featuring as a back drop of the 3 Graces. Booking for Cunard's transatlantic cruise open tomorrow when this cruise is part of Cunard's 175th anniversary celebrations happen in Liverpool next year and NOT Southampton (incidentally all 3 Queens will be in the Mersey at the same time so it will be pretty quiet in your southern backwater). This cruise is already over subscribed and they probably could sell it quite a few times over, so lets compare this with a similar cruise from your container port? I love the taste of sweet victory and hope you get over it soon....NOT Won't be long before Cunard and Princess follow Ford out of Southampton eh...[/p][/quote]crude container port? walking along from the Albert dock at about 11am & seeing families walking along the same stretch what a great heritage confronted those Liverpool children. Teenagers out of their heads on drugs what a great sight they made to the other tourists as well? the hotel Staff told us not to go into town or by the waterfront at night as it wasn't safe what a great advert that was. Now if you want we can all sling mud at each others city & as I've already said on a post about Southamptons Historical past I don't want to say it again. Look it was your lying councillors that brought about this not the people of Liverpool nor the people of Southampton so instead of slagging off this city why don't you prove all the knockers of scousers wrong & admit your council lied to get this facility?[/p][/quote]When did you take your fictitious trip 'oop north' to the 'Pool of Life' as in the 50 years I have lived here I have never seen anyone high on drugs around the Albert Dock especially kids as you describe. Can you also enlighten us as to which hotel you allegedly stayed in which informed you of a load of nonsense, I will take this up with them. By the way, do a bit of research and you will find out Liverpool is the 3rd most popular destination for a weekend break, number one location for a night out (Trip Adviser) the list goes on and on... Have a look on Google and see the fine architecture our cruise passengers see on their way in.[/p][/quote]My wife & I stayed in the Ibis Hotel Wapping Street/Albert Docks. August was the month. Look I was only trying to point out each city has it's problems but why oh !why are so many scousers coming on here with so much venom against this city? We also have so much in common, You have a Lying Labour Council that wanted a stop start Cruise facility but applied for a turnaround facility all the time knowing as soon as possible you would apply for change of use & when I say you I mean the council. We (our council) promised the Earth said the Tories would cut jobs & services called a reporter on this paper a liar for printing the cuts to both services & jobs before the local elections then this Labour council still lied & about their own councillors so in that we have a lot in common. I personally think Liverpool was sucker punched by Portsmouth, They had ambitions of their own to become a medium sized (ships) cruise port so to draw you away from those type of shipping companies they backed you in a war(?) with all other cruise ports . they then built their terminal ( private money) got cruise lines with medium ships interested & then turned on you so surely your venom should be turned on them not us?[/p][/quote]This so called venom you say we have against Southampton is a figment of your imagination. The real truth of the matter is that this paper and its so called " Cruise Wars " campaign mis-represented the origins of why the cruise floating landing stage was originally built and the safety and economic reasons change of use was applied for. numberrous people from Liverpool have tried to present you with the facts and figures but you all appear incapable of understanding them. Your local press stoke this matter up and distort every fact. If Southampton has such a vast monopoly of the cruise business and Liverpool has something like a few percentage points then there is no way Liverpool can be regarded as a RIVAL to Southampton. It may be another small cruise port but it is not a full blown rival. Because of the draw of London and the close proximity of Dover and others near London, any expansion there could and would be a very big threat to Southampton. If this paper and some individuals who comment about Liverpool ( but have probably never been here ) would stop their aggressive and often crude and obscene attacks on Liverpool and it's people , then we might stop reading and commenting in this paper about the mis-represetation that has gone on for far too long. I suggest that you have real problems closer to home and need to realise that this paper and its Editor should be challenged about its involvement in your councils plan to sell off parts of your city's cultural heritage which is not theirs to sell. Of course your paper goes for the sensational headlines to sell as many copies as it can and of course that means using the " CRUISE WARS " battle headline.[/p][/quote]Joe Anderson was interviewed by a BBC South news reporter about the change of use of the floating dock. He admitted there never ever was any intention of using it for turnaround they always wanted it for stop start purposes so if that's wrong why did your mayor say it? I have cousins in Liverpool & Birkenhead oh! & Wallasey I have taken a lot of insults because I said I was moving to Liverpool I've been told scousers are worse than gypseys & are all either drug dealers or thieves which I reply that means half of my brothers & sisters & my father & his family. But many have nothing bad to say about Liverpool you get morons every where[/p][/quote]For the thousanth time it is not a floating dock it is a floating landing stage. Loosehead you are a very devious person who comes on this posting, all sweetness and light, telling everybody that you so want to come and live in Liverpool etc and then you manipulate what you write to include all the usual totally false stereotypes of insulting remarks about anybody from my city under the guise of other people tell you this , that and the other about Liverpool. Millions of people have visited Liverpool each year and the vast majority have stated that they like the place and the people and would definitely come back again. If you or anybody else wants more proof of this then they should visit ......... http://www.tripadvis or.co.uk/Attractions -g186337-Activities- Liverpool_Merseyside _England.htm and judge for themselves , by reading comments left by thousands of visitors to our city. in search of the truth
  • Score: 5

1:44pm Thu 13 Mar 14

in search of the truth says...

phil maccavity wrote:
I spend a good deal of time in Liverpool and enjoy my visits. The majority of people are warm, friendly and humorous, although there is a much darker side of life than you find down here but big cities will always have an edginess.
Liverpool was in terminal decline until EC Objective One status was given in 1994.
Since then European funding has provided approx. £2.3billion up to 2013 with another large tranche due between 2014 and 2020.
Over 2,000 schemes including large projects such as the port, airport, museums, roads and Liverpool arena have been pump primed with free cash.
There should be no problems with Liverpool Council, or any one else, looking to develop cruise facilities but why did they have to be so duplicitous in the way they went about it?
The people who were involved in the grant application at the time, including representatives from the NWDA, Liverpool City Council. Liverpool Vision, Mersey Partnership etc, wanted turnround status from the off but knew full well that their application would fail the EC competition rules if they were to be open about their application so they told porkies and, once the facility was built in 2007.(no one was allowed to call it a Terminal at the time on pain of death), the process to change the grant rules began.
This is the real reason why some other major cruise ports such as Southampton, Newcastle, Harwich etc have complained about breach of EC rules.
The Fred Olsen issue at Gladstone Dock (in 2011) was a red herring but it allowed the City Council to jump on a Peel Ports problem to enhance their own argument.
(Note here that Peel Ports, as the main beneficiary of cruise ship dues have not invested a penny in Liverpool cruise facilities.)
Rather surprisingly the EC seem to have gone against their anti competition rules, not for the first time, and given way on the matter!!
On the other hand the UK Govt took a different view.
The upshot is that Liverpool has acquired a half price facility/floating pontoon/terminal plus a tax payer funded (and architecturally stimulating to be fair) passenger building (from 2015)
Many people down here wonder how better Southampton would be with access to large amounts of grant money.
However that question will never be resolved. Apparently the area is deemed to be 'too wealthy'!!
It will be interesting to see how the cruise business shapes up in the next 5-10 years .and whether our new friends from Merseyside, and other areas,will maintain their interest in the Southern Echo website.
I could find fault with a lot of what you have written but I haven't got the time or inclination to go through it all again.

Lets just demonstrate one little inaccuracy for a start,

Fred Olsen was based in Brunswick Dock for starters .

Gladstone Dock is further along the dock estate and has never had any association with Fred Olsen ships.

I have no intention of ever trying to explain the situation to you again as you have a fixed mind-set based on inaccurate facts and distortions of the truth.

It was the Southern Daily Echo that declared this whole episode " CRUISE WARS " and as far as I am concerned the war is over and you LOST !!!

Although Liverpool has a very small cruise business, Southampton appears absolutely terrified of what might happen up here and how many cruise lines might realise that to base or just visit Liverpool would be a very good business decision for them to make.

It is important to remember .

A key example of Liverpool’s growing importance is the visit of the MSC Magnifica, after her owner said a few years ago it would never operate in the Irish Sea.
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: I spend a good deal of time in Liverpool and enjoy my visits. The majority of people are warm, friendly and humorous, although there is a much darker side of life than you find down here but big cities will always have an edginess. Liverpool was in terminal decline until EC Objective One status was given in 1994. Since then European funding has provided approx. £2.3billion up to 2013 with another large tranche due between 2014 and 2020. Over 2,000 schemes including large projects such as the port, airport, museums, roads and Liverpool arena have been pump primed with free cash. There should be no problems with Liverpool Council, or any one else, looking to develop cruise facilities but why did they have to be so duplicitous in the way they went about it? The people who were involved in the grant application at the time, including representatives from the NWDA, Liverpool City Council. Liverpool Vision, Mersey Partnership etc, wanted turnround status from the off but knew full well that their application would fail the EC competition rules if they were to be open about their application so they told porkies and, once the facility was built in 2007.(no one was allowed to call it a Terminal at the time on pain of death), the process to change the grant rules began. This is the real reason why some other major cruise ports such as Southampton, Newcastle, Harwich etc have complained about breach of EC rules. The Fred Olsen issue at Gladstone Dock (in 2011) was a red herring but it allowed the City Council to jump on a Peel Ports problem to enhance their own argument. (Note here that Peel Ports, as the main beneficiary of cruise ship dues have not invested a penny in Liverpool cruise facilities.) Rather surprisingly the EC seem to have gone against their anti competition rules, not for the first time, and given way on the matter!! On the other hand the UK Govt took a different view. The upshot is that Liverpool has acquired a half price facility/floating pontoon/terminal plus a tax payer funded (and architecturally stimulating to be fair) passenger building (from 2015) Many people down here wonder how better Southampton would be with access to large amounts of grant money. However that question will never be resolved. Apparently the area is deemed to be 'too wealthy'!! It will be interesting to see how the cruise business shapes up in the next 5-10 years .and whether our new friends from Merseyside, and other areas,will maintain their interest in the Southern Echo website.[/p][/quote]I could find fault with a lot of what you have written but I haven't got the time or inclination to go through it all again. Lets just demonstrate one little inaccuracy for a start, Fred Olsen was based in Brunswick Dock for starters . Gladstone Dock is further along the dock estate and has never had any association with Fred Olsen ships. I have no intention of ever trying to explain the situation to you again as you have a fixed mind-set based on inaccurate facts and distortions of the truth. It was the Southern Daily Echo that declared this whole episode " CRUISE WARS " and as far as I am concerned the war is over and you LOST !!! Although Liverpool has a very small cruise business, Southampton appears absolutely terrified of what might happen up here and how many cruise lines might realise that to base or just visit Liverpool would be a very good business decision for them to make. It is important to remember . A key example of Liverpool’s growing importance is the visit of the MSC Magnifica, after her owner said a few years ago it would never operate in the Irish Sea. in search of the truth
  • Score: 3

1:51pm Thu 13 Mar 14

in search of the truth says...

in search of the truth wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
I spend a good deal of time in Liverpool and enjoy my visits. The majority of people are warm, friendly and humorous, although there is a much darker side of life than you find down here but big cities will always have an edginess.
Liverpool was in terminal decline until EC Objective One status was given in 1994.
Since then European funding has provided approx. £2.3billion up to 2013 with another large tranche due between 2014 and 2020.
Over 2,000 schemes including large projects such as the port, airport, museums, roads and Liverpool arena have been pump primed with free cash.
There should be no problems with Liverpool Council, or any one else, looking to develop cruise facilities but why did they have to be so duplicitous in the way they went about it?
The people who were involved in the grant application at the time, including representatives from the NWDA, Liverpool City Council. Liverpool Vision, Mersey Partnership etc, wanted turnround status from the off but knew full well that their application would fail the EC competition rules if they were to be open about their application so they told porkies and, once the facility was built in 2007.(no one was allowed to call it a Terminal at the time on pain of death), the process to change the grant rules began.
This is the real reason why some other major cruise ports such as Southampton, Newcastle, Harwich etc have complained about breach of EC rules.
The Fred Olsen issue at Gladstone Dock (in 2011) was a red herring but it allowed the City Council to jump on a Peel Ports problem to enhance their own argument.
(Note here that Peel Ports, as the main beneficiary of cruise ship dues have not invested a penny in Liverpool cruise facilities.)
Rather surprisingly the EC seem to have gone against their anti competition rules, not for the first time, and given way on the matter!!
On the other hand the UK Govt took a different view.
The upshot is that Liverpool has acquired a half price facility/floating pontoon/terminal plus a tax payer funded (and architecturally stimulating to be fair) passenger building (from 2015)
Many people down here wonder how better Southampton would be with access to large amounts of grant money.
However that question will never be resolved. Apparently the area is deemed to be 'too wealthy'!!
It will be interesting to see how the cruise business shapes up in the next 5-10 years .and whether our new friends from Merseyside, and other areas,will maintain their interest in the Southern Echo website.
I could find fault with a lot of what you have written but I haven't got the time or inclination to go through it all again.

Lets just demonstrate one little inaccuracy for a start,

Fred Olsen was based in Brunswick Dock for starters .

Gladstone Dock is further along the dock estate and has never had any association with Fred Olsen ships.

I have no intention of ever trying to explain the situation to you again as you have a fixed mind-set based on inaccurate facts and distortions of the truth.

It was the Southern Daily Echo that declared this whole episode " CRUISE WARS " and as far as I am concerned the war is over and you LOST !!!

Although Liverpool has a very small cruise business, Southampton appears absolutely terrified of what might happen up here and how many cruise lines might realise that to base or just visit Liverpool would be a very good business decision for them to make.

It is important to remember .

A key example of Liverpool’s growing importance is the visit of the MSC Magnifica, after her owner said a few years ago it would never operate in the Irish Sea.
MY MISTAKE, SORRY ABOUT THAT.

Fred Olsen was based in Langton Dock and had safety issues concerning the lock which had to be navigated in order to enter and leave the river.

Everything else I wrote is correct.
[quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: I spend a good deal of time in Liverpool and enjoy my visits. The majority of people are warm, friendly and humorous, although there is a much darker side of life than you find down here but big cities will always have an edginess. Liverpool was in terminal decline until EC Objective One status was given in 1994. Since then European funding has provided approx. £2.3billion up to 2013 with another large tranche due between 2014 and 2020. Over 2,000 schemes including large projects such as the port, airport, museums, roads and Liverpool arena have been pump primed with free cash. There should be no problems with Liverpool Council, or any one else, looking to develop cruise facilities but why did they have to be so duplicitous in the way they went about it? The people who were involved in the grant application at the time, including representatives from the NWDA, Liverpool City Council. Liverpool Vision, Mersey Partnership etc, wanted turnround status from the off but knew full well that their application would fail the EC competition rules if they were to be open about their application so they told porkies and, once the facility was built in 2007.(no one was allowed to call it a Terminal at the time on pain of death), the process to change the grant rules began. This is the real reason why some other major cruise ports such as Southampton, Newcastle, Harwich etc have complained about breach of EC rules. The Fred Olsen issue at Gladstone Dock (in 2011) was a red herring but it allowed the City Council to jump on a Peel Ports problem to enhance their own argument. (Note here that Peel Ports, as the main beneficiary of cruise ship dues have not invested a penny in Liverpool cruise facilities.) Rather surprisingly the EC seem to have gone against their anti competition rules, not for the first time, and given way on the matter!! On the other hand the UK Govt took a different view. The upshot is that Liverpool has acquired a half price facility/floating pontoon/terminal plus a tax payer funded (and architecturally stimulating to be fair) passenger building (from 2015) Many people down here wonder how better Southampton would be with access to large amounts of grant money. However that question will never be resolved. Apparently the area is deemed to be 'too wealthy'!! It will be interesting to see how the cruise business shapes up in the next 5-10 years .and whether our new friends from Merseyside, and other areas,will maintain their interest in the Southern Echo website.[/p][/quote]I could find fault with a lot of what you have written but I haven't got the time or inclination to go through it all again. Lets just demonstrate one little inaccuracy for a start, Fred Olsen was based in Brunswick Dock for starters . Gladstone Dock is further along the dock estate and has never had any association with Fred Olsen ships. I have no intention of ever trying to explain the situation to you again as you have a fixed mind-set based on inaccurate facts and distortions of the truth. It was the Southern Daily Echo that declared this whole episode " CRUISE WARS " and as far as I am concerned the war is over and you LOST !!! Although Liverpool has a very small cruise business, Southampton appears absolutely terrified of what might happen up here and how many cruise lines might realise that to base or just visit Liverpool would be a very good business decision for them to make. It is important to remember . A key example of Liverpool’s growing importance is the visit of the MSC Magnifica, after her owner said a few years ago it would never operate in the Irish Sea.[/p][/quote]MY MISTAKE, SORRY ABOUT THAT. Fred Olsen was based in Langton Dock and had safety issues concerning the lock which had to be navigated in order to enter and leave the river. Everything else I wrote is correct. in search of the truth
  • Score: -2

3:08pm Thu 13 Mar 14

loosehead says...

in search of the truth wrote:
loosehead wrote:
in search of the truth wrote:
loosehead wrote:
scousertommy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
scousertommy wrote:
Lets just face the facts people will make up their own minds whether they wish to embark their cruise ship in a crude container port or in a world famous UNESCO World Heritage Site with the spiritual home of Cunard featuring as a back drop of the 3 Graces.

Booking for Cunard's transatlantic cruise open tomorrow when this cruise is part of Cunard's 175th anniversary celebrations happen in Liverpool next year and NOT Southampton (incidentally all 3 Queens will be in the Mersey at the same time so it will be pretty quiet in your southern backwater). This cruise is already over subscribed and they probably could sell it quite a few times over, so lets compare this with a similar cruise from your container port?

I love the taste of sweet victory and hope you get over it soon....NOT

Won't be long before Cunard and Princess follow Ford out of Southampton eh...
crude container port? walking along from the Albert dock at about 11am & seeing families walking along the same stretch what a great heritage confronted those Liverpool children.
Teenagers out of their heads on drugs what a great sight they made to the other tourists as well?
the hotel Staff told us not to go into town or by the waterfront at night as it wasn't safe what a great advert that was.
Now if you want we can all sling mud at each others city & as I've already said on a post about Southamptons Historical past I don't want to say it again.
Look it was your lying councillors that brought about this not the people of Liverpool nor the people of Southampton so instead of slagging off this city why don't you prove all the knockers of scousers wrong & admit your council lied to get this facility?
When did you take your fictitious trip 'oop north' to the 'Pool of Life' as in the 50 years I have lived here I have never seen anyone high on drugs around the Albert Dock especially kids as you describe. Can you also enlighten us as to which hotel you allegedly stayed in which informed you of a load of nonsense, I will take this up with them.

By the way, do a bit of research and you will find out Liverpool is the 3rd most popular destination for a weekend break, number one location for a night out (Trip Adviser) the list goes on and on...

Have a look on Google and see the fine architecture our cruise passengers see on their way in.
My wife & I stayed in the Ibis Hotel Wapping Street/Albert Docks. August was the month.
Look I was only trying to point out each city has it's problems but why oh !why are so many scousers coming on here with so much venom against this city?
We also have so much in common, You have a Lying Labour Council that wanted a stop start Cruise facility but applied for a turnaround facility all the time knowing as soon as possible you would apply for change of use & when I say you I mean the council.
We (our council) promised the Earth said the Tories would cut jobs & services called a reporter on this paper a liar for printing the cuts to both services & jobs before the local elections then this Labour council still lied & about their own councillors so in that we have a lot in common.
I personally think Liverpool was sucker punched by Portsmouth, They had ambitions of their own to become a medium sized (ships) cruise port so to draw you away from those type of shipping companies they backed you in a war(?) with all other cruise ports .
they then built their terminal ( private money) got cruise lines with medium ships interested & then turned on you so surely your venom should be turned on them not us?
This so called venom you say we have against Southampton is a figment of your imagination.
The real truth of the matter is that this paper and its so called " Cruise Wars " campaign mis-represented the origins of why the cruise floating landing stage was originally built and the safety and economic reasons change of use was applied for. numberrous people from Liverpool have tried to present you with the facts and figures but you all appear incapable of understanding them.
Your local press stoke this matter up and distort every fact. If Southampton has such a vast monopoly of the cruise business and Liverpool has something like a few percentage points then there is no way Liverpool can be regarded as a RIVAL to Southampton. It may be another small cruise port but it is not a full blown rival. Because of the draw of London and the close proximity of Dover and others near London, any expansion there could and would be a very big threat to Southampton.
If this paper and some individuals who comment about Liverpool ( but have probably never been here ) would stop their aggressive and often crude and obscene attacks on Liverpool and it's people , then we might stop reading and commenting in this paper about the mis-represetation that has gone on for far too long.

I suggest that you have real problems closer to home and need to realise that this paper and its Editor should be challenged about its involvement in your councils plan to sell off parts of your city's cultural heritage which is not theirs to sell. Of course your paper goes for the sensational headlines to sell as many copies as it can and of course that means using the " CRUISE WARS " battle headline.
Joe Anderson was interviewed by a BBC South news reporter about the change of use of the floating dock.
He admitted there never ever was any intention of using it for turnaround they always wanted it for stop start purposes so if that's wrong why did your mayor say it?
I have cousins in Liverpool & Birkenhead oh! & Wallasey I have taken a lot of insults because I said I was moving to Liverpool I've been told scousers are worse than gypseys & are all either drug dealers or thieves which I reply that means half of my brothers & sisters & my father & his family.
But many have nothing bad to say about Liverpool you get morons every where
For the thousanth time it is not a floating dock it is a floating landing stage.

Loosehead you are a very devious person who comes on this posting, all sweetness and light, telling everybody that you so want to come and live in Liverpool etc and then you manipulate what you write to include all the usual totally false stereotypes of insulting remarks about anybody from my city under the guise of other people tell you this , that and the other about Liverpool.

Millions of people have visited Liverpool each year and the vast majority have stated that they like the place and the people and would definitely come back again. If you or anybody else wants more proof of this then they should visit .........

http://www.tripadvis

or.co.uk/Attractions

-g186337-Activities-

Liverpool_Merseyside

_England.htm

and judge for themselves , by reading comments left by thousands of visitors to our city.
I've supposedly got a buyer who's survey results I'm supposedly waiting for to make sure they don't supposedly try to lower the price they're supposedly going to pay my wife & I.
I'm not on e-mail alert with Sutton Kersh,Move, Logic & Acumen estate agents & a few more on properties I'm Supposedly interested in buying in Liverpool to move into?
I wrote down the verbal attacks & text attacks I've had by so called friends because I told them we were looking to move up to Liverpool.
I would never call my cousins or indeed my father any of the names I printed.
We found scousers very friendly & willing to help so what the hell are you going on about?
[quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scousertommy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scousertommy[/bold] wrote: Lets just face the facts people will make up their own minds whether they wish to embark their cruise ship in a crude container port or in a world famous UNESCO World Heritage Site with the spiritual home of Cunard featuring as a back drop of the 3 Graces. Booking for Cunard's transatlantic cruise open tomorrow when this cruise is part of Cunard's 175th anniversary celebrations happen in Liverpool next year and NOT Southampton (incidentally all 3 Queens will be in the Mersey at the same time so it will be pretty quiet in your southern backwater). This cruise is already over subscribed and they probably could sell it quite a few times over, so lets compare this with a similar cruise from your container port? I love the taste of sweet victory and hope you get over it soon....NOT Won't be long before Cunard and Princess follow Ford out of Southampton eh...[/p][/quote]crude container port? walking along from the Albert dock at about 11am & seeing families walking along the same stretch what a great heritage confronted those Liverpool children. Teenagers out of their heads on drugs what a great sight they made to the other tourists as well? the hotel Staff told us not to go into town or by the waterfront at night as it wasn't safe what a great advert that was. Now if you want we can all sling mud at each others city & as I've already said on a post about Southamptons Historical past I don't want to say it again. Look it was your lying councillors that brought about this not the people of Liverpool nor the people of Southampton so instead of slagging off this city why don't you prove all the knockers of scousers wrong & admit your council lied to get this facility?[/p][/quote]When did you take your fictitious trip 'oop north' to the 'Pool of Life' as in the 50 years I have lived here I have never seen anyone high on drugs around the Albert Dock especially kids as you describe. Can you also enlighten us as to which hotel you allegedly stayed in which informed you of a load of nonsense, I will take this up with them. By the way, do a bit of research and you will find out Liverpool is the 3rd most popular destination for a weekend break, number one location for a night out (Trip Adviser) the list goes on and on... Have a look on Google and see the fine architecture our cruise passengers see on their way in.[/p][/quote]My wife & I stayed in the Ibis Hotel Wapping Street/Albert Docks. August was the month. Look I was only trying to point out each city has it's problems but why oh !why are so many scousers coming on here with so much venom against this city? We also have so much in common, You have a Lying Labour Council that wanted a stop start Cruise facility but applied for a turnaround facility all the time knowing as soon as possible you would apply for change of use & when I say you I mean the council. We (our council) promised the Earth said the Tories would cut jobs & services called a reporter on this paper a liar for printing the cuts to both services & jobs before the local elections then this Labour council still lied & about their own councillors so in that we have a lot in common. I personally think Liverpool was sucker punched by Portsmouth, They had ambitions of their own to become a medium sized (ships) cruise port so to draw you away from those type of shipping companies they backed you in a war(?) with all other cruise ports . they then built their terminal ( private money) got cruise lines with medium ships interested & then turned on you so surely your venom should be turned on them not us?[/p][/quote]This so called venom you say we have against Southampton is a figment of your imagination. The real truth of the matter is that this paper and its so called " Cruise Wars " campaign mis-represented the origins of why the cruise floating landing stage was originally built and the safety and economic reasons change of use was applied for. numberrous people from Liverpool have tried to present you with the facts and figures but you all appear incapable of understanding them. Your local press stoke this matter up and distort every fact. If Southampton has such a vast monopoly of the cruise business and Liverpool has something like a few percentage points then there is no way Liverpool can be regarded as a RIVAL to Southampton. It may be another small cruise port but it is not a full blown rival. Because of the draw of London and the close proximity of Dover and others near London, any expansion there could and would be a very big threat to Southampton. If this paper and some individuals who comment about Liverpool ( but have probably never been here ) would stop their aggressive and often crude and obscene attacks on Liverpool and it's people , then we might stop reading and commenting in this paper about the mis-represetation that has gone on for far too long. I suggest that you have real problems closer to home and need to realise that this paper and its Editor should be challenged about its involvement in your councils plan to sell off parts of your city's cultural heritage which is not theirs to sell. Of course your paper goes for the sensational headlines to sell as many copies as it can and of course that means using the " CRUISE WARS " battle headline.[/p][/quote]Joe Anderson was interviewed by a BBC South news reporter about the change of use of the floating dock. He admitted there never ever was any intention of using it for turnaround they always wanted it for stop start purposes so if that's wrong why did your mayor say it? I have cousins in Liverpool & Birkenhead oh! & Wallasey I have taken a lot of insults because I said I was moving to Liverpool I've been told scousers are worse than gypseys & are all either drug dealers or thieves which I reply that means half of my brothers & sisters & my father & his family. But many have nothing bad to say about Liverpool you get morons every where[/p][/quote]For the thousanth time it is not a floating dock it is a floating landing stage. Loosehead you are a very devious person who comes on this posting, all sweetness and light, telling everybody that you so want to come and live in Liverpool etc and then you manipulate what you write to include all the usual totally false stereotypes of insulting remarks about anybody from my city under the guise of other people tell you this , that and the other about Liverpool. Millions of people have visited Liverpool each year and the vast majority have stated that they like the place and the people and would definitely come back again. If you or anybody else wants more proof of this then they should visit ......... http://www.tripadvis or.co.uk/Attractions -g186337-Activities- Liverpool_Merseyside _England.htm and judge for themselves , by reading comments left by thousands of visitors to our city.[/p][/quote]I've supposedly got a buyer who's survey results I'm supposedly waiting for to make sure they don't supposedly try to lower the price they're supposedly going to pay my wife & I. I'm not on e-mail alert with Sutton Kersh,Move, Logic & Acumen estate agents & a few more on properties I'm Supposedly interested in buying in Liverpool to move into? I wrote down the verbal attacks & text attacks I've had by so called friends because I told them we were looking to move up to Liverpool. I would never call my cousins or indeed my father any of the names I printed. We found scousers very friendly & willing to help so what the hell are you going on about? loosehead
  • Score: -2

3:15pm Thu 13 Mar 14

loosehead says...

in search of the truth wrote:
in search of the truth wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
I spend a good deal of time in Liverpool and enjoy my visits. The majority of people are warm, friendly and humorous, although there is a much darker side of life than you find down here but big cities will always have an edginess.
Liverpool was in terminal decline until EC Objective One status was given in 1994.
Since then European funding has provided approx. £2.3billion up to 2013 with another large tranche due between 2014 and 2020.
Over 2,000 schemes including large projects such as the port, airport, museums, roads and Liverpool arena have been pump primed with free cash.
There should be no problems with Liverpool Council, or any one else, looking to develop cruise facilities but why did they have to be so duplicitous in the way they went about it?
The people who were involved in the grant application at the time, including representatives from the NWDA, Liverpool City Council. Liverpool Vision, Mersey Partnership etc, wanted turnround status from the off but knew full well that their application would fail the EC competition rules if they were to be open about their application so they told porkies and, once the facility was built in 2007.(no one was allowed to call it a Terminal at the time on pain of death), the process to change the grant rules began.
This is the real reason why some other major cruise ports such as Southampton, Newcastle, Harwich etc have complained about breach of EC rules.
The Fred Olsen issue at Gladstone Dock (in 2011) was a red herring but it allowed the City Council to jump on a Peel Ports problem to enhance their own argument.
(Note here that Peel Ports, as the main beneficiary of cruise ship dues have not invested a penny in Liverpool cruise facilities.)
Rather surprisingly the EC seem to have gone against their anti competition rules, not for the first time, and given way on the matter!!
On the other hand the UK Govt took a different view.
The upshot is that Liverpool has acquired a half price facility/floating pontoon/terminal plus a tax payer funded (and architecturally stimulating to be fair) passenger building (from 2015)
Many people down here wonder how better Southampton would be with access to large amounts of grant money.
However that question will never be resolved. Apparently the area is deemed to be 'too wealthy'!!
It will be interesting to see how the cruise business shapes up in the next 5-10 years .and whether our new friends from Merseyside, and other areas,will maintain their interest in the Southern Echo website.
I could find fault with a lot of what you have written but I haven't got the time or inclination to go through it all again.

Lets just demonstrate one little inaccuracy for a start,

Fred Olsen was based in Brunswick Dock for starters .

Gladstone Dock is further along the dock estate and has never had any association with Fred Olsen ships.

I have no intention of ever trying to explain the situation to you again as you have a fixed mind-set based on inaccurate facts and distortions of the truth.

It was the Southern Daily Echo that declared this whole episode " CRUISE WARS " and as far as I am concerned the war is over and you LOST !!!

Although Liverpool has a very small cruise business, Southampton appears absolutely terrified of what might happen up here and how many cruise lines might realise that to base or just visit Liverpool would be a very good business decision for them to make.

It is important to remember .

A key example of Liverpool’s growing importance is the visit of the MSC Magnifica, after her owner said a few years ago it would never operate in the Irish Sea.
MY MISTAKE, SORRY ABOUT THAT.

Fred Olsen was based in Langton Dock and had safety issues concerning the lock which had to be navigated in order to enter and leave the river.

Everything else I wrote is correct.
Liverpool council said grant money was needed for turnaround facilities was that a mistake in the original application as they knew full well they wanted it for stop start facility?
Why did Labour refuse your wishes to change it's use?
Liverpool council are/were liars & it's those people who deserve our contempt we or should I say the majority of us have nothing what so ever against Scousers & Liverpool the city
[quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: I spend a good deal of time in Liverpool and enjoy my visits. The majority of people are warm, friendly and humorous, although there is a much darker side of life than you find down here but big cities will always have an edginess. Liverpool was in terminal decline until EC Objective One status was given in 1994. Since then European funding has provided approx. £2.3billion up to 2013 with another large tranche due between 2014 and 2020. Over 2,000 schemes including large projects such as the port, airport, museums, roads and Liverpool arena have been pump primed with free cash. There should be no problems with Liverpool Council, or any one else, looking to develop cruise facilities but why did they have to be so duplicitous in the way they went about it? The people who were involved in the grant application at the time, including representatives from the NWDA, Liverpool City Council. Liverpool Vision, Mersey Partnership etc, wanted turnround status from the off but knew full well that their application would fail the EC competition rules if they were to be open about their application so they told porkies and, once the facility was built in 2007.(no one was allowed to call it a Terminal at the time on pain of death), the process to change the grant rules began. This is the real reason why some other major cruise ports such as Southampton, Newcastle, Harwich etc have complained about breach of EC rules. The Fred Olsen issue at Gladstone Dock (in 2011) was a red herring but it allowed the City Council to jump on a Peel Ports problem to enhance their own argument. (Note here that Peel Ports, as the main beneficiary of cruise ship dues have not invested a penny in Liverpool cruise facilities.) Rather surprisingly the EC seem to have gone against their anti competition rules, not for the first time, and given way on the matter!! On the other hand the UK Govt took a different view. The upshot is that Liverpool has acquired a half price facility/floating pontoon/terminal plus a tax payer funded (and architecturally stimulating to be fair) passenger building (from 2015) Many people down here wonder how better Southampton would be with access to large amounts of grant money. However that question will never be resolved. Apparently the area is deemed to be 'too wealthy'!! It will be interesting to see how the cruise business shapes up in the next 5-10 years .and whether our new friends from Merseyside, and other areas,will maintain their interest in the Southern Echo website.[/p][/quote]I could find fault with a lot of what you have written but I haven't got the time or inclination to go through it all again. Lets just demonstrate one little inaccuracy for a start, Fred Olsen was based in Brunswick Dock for starters . Gladstone Dock is further along the dock estate and has never had any association with Fred Olsen ships. I have no intention of ever trying to explain the situation to you again as you have a fixed mind-set based on inaccurate facts and distortions of the truth. It was the Southern Daily Echo that declared this whole episode " CRUISE WARS " and as far as I am concerned the war is over and you LOST !!! Although Liverpool has a very small cruise business, Southampton appears absolutely terrified of what might happen up here and how many cruise lines might realise that to base or just visit Liverpool would be a very good business decision for them to make. It is important to remember . A key example of Liverpool’s growing importance is the visit of the MSC Magnifica, after her owner said a few years ago it would never operate in the Irish Sea.[/p][/quote]MY MISTAKE, SORRY ABOUT THAT. Fred Olsen was based in Langton Dock and had safety issues concerning the lock which had to be navigated in order to enter and leave the river. Everything else I wrote is correct.[/p][/quote]Liverpool council said grant money was needed for turnaround facilities was that a mistake in the original application as they knew full well they wanted it for stop start facility? Why did Labour refuse your wishes to change it's use? Liverpool council are/were liars & it's those people who deserve our contempt we or should I say the majority of us have nothing what so ever against Scousers & Liverpool the city loosehead
  • Score: -2

5:08pm Thu 13 Mar 14

phil maccavity says...

in search of the truth wrote:
in search of the truth wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
I spend a good deal of time in Liverpool and enjoy my visits. The majority of people are warm, friendly and humorous, although there is a much darker side of life than you find down here but big cities will always have an edginess.
Liverpool was in terminal decline until EC Objective One status was given in 1994.
Since then European funding has provided approx. £2.3billion up to 2013 with another large tranche due between 2014 and 2020.
Over 2,000 schemes including large projects such as the port, airport, museums, roads and Liverpool arena have been pump primed with free cash.
There should be no problems with Liverpool Council, or any one else, looking to develop cruise facilities but why did they have to be so duplicitous in the way they went about it?
The people who were involved in the grant application at the time, including representatives from the NWDA, Liverpool City Council. Liverpool Vision, Mersey Partnership etc, wanted turnround status from the off but knew full well that their application would fail the EC competition rules if they were to be open about their application so they told porkies and, once the facility was built in 2007.(no one was allowed to call it a Terminal at the time on pain of death), the process to change the grant rules began.
This is the real reason why some other major cruise ports such as Southampton, Newcastle, Harwich etc have complained about breach of EC rules.
The Fred Olsen issue at Gladstone Dock (in 2011) was a red herring but it allowed the City Council to jump on a Peel Ports problem to enhance their own argument.
(Note here that Peel Ports, as the main beneficiary of cruise ship dues have not invested a penny in Liverpool cruise facilities.)
Rather surprisingly the EC seem to have gone against their anti competition rules, not for the first time, and given way on the matter!!
On the other hand the UK Govt took a different view.
The upshot is that Liverpool has acquired a half price facility/floating pontoon/terminal plus a tax payer funded (and architecturally stimulating to be fair) passenger building (from 2015)
Many people down here wonder how better Southampton would be with access to large amounts of grant money.
However that question will never be resolved. Apparently the area is deemed to be 'too wealthy'!!
It will be interesting to see how the cruise business shapes up in the next 5-10 years .and whether our new friends from Merseyside, and other areas,will maintain their interest in the Southern Echo website.
I could find fault with a lot of what you have written but I haven't got the time or inclination to go through it all again.

Lets just demonstrate one little inaccuracy for a start,

Fred Olsen was based in Brunswick Dock for starters .

Gladstone Dock is further along the dock estate and has never had any association with Fred Olsen ships.

I have no intention of ever trying to explain the situation to you again as you have a fixed mind-set based on inaccurate facts and distortions of the truth.

It was the Southern Daily Echo that declared this whole episode " CRUISE WARS " and as far as I am concerned the war is over and you LOST !!!

Although Liverpool has a very small cruise business, Southampton appears absolutely terrified of what might happen up here and how many cruise lines might realise that to base or just visit Liverpool would be a very good business decision for them to make.

It is important to remember .

A key example of Liverpool’s growing importance is the visit of the MSC Magnifica, after her owner said a few years ago it would never operate in the Irish Sea.
MY MISTAKE, SORRY ABOUT THAT.

Fred Olsen was based in Langton Dock and had safety issues concerning the lock which had to be navigated in order to enter and leave the river.

Everything else I wrote is correct.
Apart from the 'little inaccuracy' in my post re the Dock Fred Olsen used in 2011 (which I accept was Langdon Dock) all other information in my post was factual but happy to take on board where the other 'inaccurate facts' and 'distortions of the truth' come from.
btw I think you are correct in so far as Southampton and other disadvantaged cruise ports in the UK appear to have lost the so called 'Port Wars' albeit to a low blow.
I am sure if the boot has been on the other foot and Southampton Council had told porkies to get Grant funding to establish a foothold in the car manufacturing market, for example, to the detriment of Halewood or Ellesmere Port, there would have been uproar on Merseyside. In such circumstances I would hope that people from the Southampton area would not have invaded the Liverpool Echo site to support their Council's duplicitous behaviour.
Fortunately there are quite a few people in Liverpool who are not that supportive of Mayor Anderson and his way of operating and wonder why the cruise facility could not have been funded on a commercial basis.
Unfortunately non of these people post on here which is a shame as their view represents the good people of Liverpool in a much more favourable light
[quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: I spend a good deal of time in Liverpool and enjoy my visits. The majority of people are warm, friendly and humorous, although there is a much darker side of life than you find down here but big cities will always have an edginess. Liverpool was in terminal decline until EC Objective One status was given in 1994. Since then European funding has provided approx. £2.3billion up to 2013 with another large tranche due between 2014 and 2020. Over 2,000 schemes including large projects such as the port, airport, museums, roads and Liverpool arena have been pump primed with free cash. There should be no problems with Liverpool Council, or any one else, looking to develop cruise facilities but why did they have to be so duplicitous in the way they went about it? The people who were involved in the grant application at the time, including representatives from the NWDA, Liverpool City Council. Liverpool Vision, Mersey Partnership etc, wanted turnround status from the off but knew full well that their application would fail the EC competition rules if they were to be open about their application so they told porkies and, once the facility was built in 2007.(no one was allowed to call it a Terminal at the time on pain of death), the process to change the grant rules began. This is the real reason why some other major cruise ports such as Southampton, Newcastle, Harwich etc have complained about breach of EC rules. The Fred Olsen issue at Gladstone Dock (in 2011) was a red herring but it allowed the City Council to jump on a Peel Ports problem to enhance their own argument. (Note here that Peel Ports, as the main beneficiary of cruise ship dues have not invested a penny in Liverpool cruise facilities.) Rather surprisingly the EC seem to have gone against their anti competition rules, not for the first time, and given way on the matter!! On the other hand the UK Govt took a different view. The upshot is that Liverpool has acquired a half price facility/floating pontoon/terminal plus a tax payer funded (and architecturally stimulating to be fair) passenger building (from 2015) Many people down here wonder how better Southampton would be with access to large amounts of grant money. However that question will never be resolved. Apparently the area is deemed to be 'too wealthy'!! It will be interesting to see how the cruise business shapes up in the next 5-10 years .and whether our new friends from Merseyside, and other areas,will maintain their interest in the Southern Echo website.[/p][/quote]I could find fault with a lot of what you have written but I haven't got the time or inclination to go through it all again. Lets just demonstrate one little inaccuracy for a start, Fred Olsen was based in Brunswick Dock for starters . Gladstone Dock is further along the dock estate and has never had any association with Fred Olsen ships. I have no intention of ever trying to explain the situation to you again as you have a fixed mind-set based on inaccurate facts and distortions of the truth. It was the Southern Daily Echo that declared this whole episode " CRUISE WARS " and as far as I am concerned the war is over and you LOST !!! Although Liverpool has a very small cruise business, Southampton appears absolutely terrified of what might happen up here and how many cruise lines might realise that to base or just visit Liverpool would be a very good business decision for them to make. It is important to remember . A key example of Liverpool’s growing importance is the visit of the MSC Magnifica, after her owner said a few years ago it would never operate in the Irish Sea.[/p][/quote]MY MISTAKE, SORRY ABOUT THAT. Fred Olsen was based in Langton Dock and had safety issues concerning the lock which had to be navigated in order to enter and leave the river. Everything else I wrote is correct.[/p][/quote]Apart from the 'little inaccuracy' in my post re the Dock Fred Olsen used in 2011 (which I accept was Langdon Dock) all other information in my post was factual but happy to take on board where the other 'inaccurate facts' and 'distortions of the truth' come from. btw I think you are correct in so far as Southampton and other disadvantaged cruise ports in the UK appear to have lost the so called 'Port Wars' albeit to a low blow. I am sure if the boot has been on the other foot and Southampton Council had told porkies to get Grant funding to establish a foothold in the car manufacturing market, for example, to the detriment of Halewood or Ellesmere Port, there would have been uproar on Merseyside. In such circumstances I would hope that people from the Southampton area would not have invaded the Liverpool Echo site to support their Council's duplicitous behaviour. Fortunately there are quite a few people in Liverpool who are not that supportive of Mayor Anderson and his way of operating and wonder why the cruise facility could not have been funded on a commercial basis. Unfortunately non of these people post on here which is a shame as their view represents the good people of Liverpool in a much more favourable light phil maccavity
  • Score: -1

6:49pm Thu 13 Mar 14

arizonan says...

phil maccavity wrote:
in search of the truth wrote:
in search of the truth wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
I spend a good deal of time in Liverpool and enjoy my visits. The majority of people are warm, friendly and humorous, although there is a much darker side of life than you find down here but big cities will always have an edginess.
Liverpool was in terminal decline until EC Objective One status was given in 1994.
Since then European funding has provided approx. £2.3billion up to 2013 with another large tranche due between 2014 and 2020.
Over 2,000 schemes including large projects such as the port, airport, museums, roads and Liverpool arena have been pump primed with free cash.
There should be no problems with Liverpool Council, or any one else, looking to develop cruise facilities but why did they have to be so duplicitous in the way they went about it?
The people who were involved in the grant application at the time, including representatives from the NWDA, Liverpool City Council. Liverpool Vision, Mersey Partnership etc, wanted turnround status from the off but knew full well that their application would fail the EC competition rules if they were to be open about their application so they told porkies and, once the facility was built in 2007.(no one was allowed to call it a Terminal at the time on pain of death), the process to change the grant rules began.
This is the real reason why some other major cruise ports such as Southampton, Newcastle, Harwich etc have complained about breach of EC rules.
The Fred Olsen issue at Gladstone Dock (in 2011) was a red herring but it allowed the City Council to jump on a Peel Ports problem to enhance their own argument.
(Note here that Peel Ports, as the main beneficiary of cruise ship dues have not invested a penny in Liverpool cruise facilities.)
Rather surprisingly the EC seem to have gone against their anti competition rules, not for the first time, and given way on the matter!!
On the other hand the UK Govt took a different view.
The upshot is that Liverpool has acquired a half price facility/floating pontoon/terminal plus a tax payer funded (and architecturally stimulating to be fair) passenger building (from 2015)
Many people down here wonder how better Southampton would be with access to large amounts of grant money.
However that question will never be resolved. Apparently the area is deemed to be 'too wealthy'!!
It will be interesting to see how the cruise business shapes up in the next 5-10 years .and whether our new friends from Merseyside, and other areas,will maintain their interest in the Southern Echo website.
I could find fault with a lot of what you have written but I haven't got the time or inclination to go through it all again.

Lets just demonstrate one little inaccuracy for a start,

Fred Olsen was based in Brunswick Dock for starters .

Gladstone Dock is further along the dock estate and has never had any association with Fred Olsen ships.

I have no intention of ever trying to explain the situation to you again as you have a fixed mind-set based on inaccurate facts and distortions of the truth.

It was the Southern Daily Echo that declared this whole episode " CRUISE WARS " and as far as I am concerned the war is over and you LOST !!!

Although Liverpool has a very small cruise business, Southampton appears absolutely terrified of what might happen up here and how many cruise lines might realise that to base or just visit Liverpool would be a very good business decision for them to make.

It is important to remember .

A key example of Liverpool’s growing importance is the visit of the MSC Magnifica, after her owner said a few years ago it would never operate in the Irish Sea.
MY MISTAKE, SORRY ABOUT THAT.

Fred Olsen was based in Langton Dock and had safety issues concerning the lock which had to be navigated in order to enter and leave the river.

Everything else I wrote is correct.
Apart from the 'little inaccuracy' in my post re the Dock Fred Olsen used in 2011 (which I accept was Langdon Dock) all other information in my post was factual but happy to take on board where the other 'inaccurate facts' and 'distortions of the truth' come from.
btw I think you are correct in so far as Southampton and other disadvantaged cruise ports in the UK appear to have lost the so called 'Port Wars' albeit to a low blow.
I am sure if the boot has been on the other foot and Southampton Council had told porkies to get Grant funding to establish a foothold in the car manufacturing market, for example, to the detriment of Halewood or Ellesmere Port, there would have been uproar on Merseyside. In such circumstances I would hope that people from the Southampton area would not have invaded the Liverpool Echo site to support their Council's duplicitous behaviour.
Fortunately there are quite a few people in Liverpool who are not that supportive of Mayor Anderson and his way of operating and wonder why the cruise facility could not have been funded on a commercial basis.
Unfortunately non of these people post on here which is a shame as their view represents the good people of Liverpool in a much more favourable light
'Disadvantaged Cruise Ports?'
No one challenged my assertion that there had been no unemployment in Southampton as a result of turnaround status in Liverpool.
Now I read that the the port of Newcastle, Southampton's brother in arms, is predicting a bumper 2014 Cruise season!.
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: I spend a good deal of time in Liverpool and enjoy my visits. The majority of people are warm, friendly and humorous, although there is a much darker side of life than you find down here but big cities will always have an edginess. Liverpool was in terminal decline until EC Objective One status was given in 1994. Since then European funding has provided approx. £2.3billion up to 2013 with another large tranche due between 2014 and 2020. Over 2,000 schemes including large projects such as the port, airport, museums, roads and Liverpool arena have been pump primed with free cash. There should be no problems with Liverpool Council, or any one else, looking to develop cruise facilities but why did they have to be so duplicitous in the way they went about it? The people who were involved in the grant application at the time, including representatives from the NWDA, Liverpool City Council. Liverpool Vision, Mersey Partnership etc, wanted turnround status from the off but knew full well that their application would fail the EC competition rules if they were to be open about their application so they told porkies and, once the facility was built in 2007.(no one was allowed to call it a Terminal at the time on pain of death), the process to change the grant rules began. This is the real reason why some other major cruise ports such as Southampton, Newcastle, Harwich etc have complained about breach of EC rules. The Fred Olsen issue at Gladstone Dock (in 2011) was a red herring but it allowed the City Council to jump on a Peel Ports problem to enhance their own argument. (Note here that Peel Ports, as the main beneficiary of cruise ship dues have not invested a penny in Liverpool cruise facilities.) Rather surprisingly the EC seem to have gone against their anti competition rules, not for the first time, and given way on the matter!! On the other hand the UK Govt took a different view. The upshot is that Liverpool has acquired a half price facility/floating pontoon/terminal plus a tax payer funded (and architecturally stimulating to be fair) passenger building (from 2015) Many people down here wonder how better Southampton would be with access to large amounts of grant money. However that question will never be resolved. Apparently the area is deemed to be 'too wealthy'!! It will be interesting to see how the cruise business shapes up in the next 5-10 years .and whether our new friends from Merseyside, and other areas,will maintain their interest in the Southern Echo website.[/p][/quote]I could find fault with a lot of what you have written but I haven't got the time or inclination to go through it all again. Lets just demonstrate one little inaccuracy for a start, Fred Olsen was based in Brunswick Dock for starters . Gladstone Dock is further along the dock estate and has never had any association with Fred Olsen ships. I have no intention of ever trying to explain the situation to you again as you have a fixed mind-set based on inaccurate facts and distortions of the truth. It was the Southern Daily Echo that declared this whole episode " CRUISE WARS " and as far as I am concerned the war is over and you LOST !!! Although Liverpool has a very small cruise business, Southampton appears absolutely terrified of what might happen up here and how many cruise lines might realise that to base or just visit Liverpool would be a very good business decision for them to make. It is important to remember . A key example of Liverpool’s growing importance is the visit of the MSC Magnifica, after her owner said a few years ago it would never operate in the Irish Sea.[/p][/quote]MY MISTAKE, SORRY ABOUT THAT. Fred Olsen was based in Langton Dock and had safety issues concerning the lock which had to be navigated in order to enter and leave the river. Everything else I wrote is correct.[/p][/quote]Apart from the 'little inaccuracy' in my post re the Dock Fred Olsen used in 2011 (which I accept was Langdon Dock) all other information in my post was factual but happy to take on board where the other 'inaccurate facts' and 'distortions of the truth' come from. btw I think you are correct in so far as Southampton and other disadvantaged cruise ports in the UK appear to have lost the so called 'Port Wars' albeit to a low blow. I am sure if the boot has been on the other foot and Southampton Council had told porkies to get Grant funding to establish a foothold in the car manufacturing market, for example, to the detriment of Halewood or Ellesmere Port, there would have been uproar on Merseyside. In such circumstances I would hope that people from the Southampton area would not have invaded the Liverpool Echo site to support their Council's duplicitous behaviour. Fortunately there are quite a few people in Liverpool who are not that supportive of Mayor Anderson and his way of operating and wonder why the cruise facility could not have been funded on a commercial basis. Unfortunately non of these people post on here which is a shame as their view represents the good people of Liverpool in a much more favourable light[/p][/quote]'Disadvantaged Cruise Ports?' No one challenged my assertion that there had been no unemployment in Southampton as a result of turnaround status in Liverpool. Now I read that the the port of Newcastle, Southampton's brother in arms, is predicting a bumper 2014 Cruise season!. arizonan
  • Score: 0

6:57pm Thu 13 Mar 14

arizonan says...

arizonan wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
in search of the truth wrote:
in search of the truth wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
I spend a good deal of time in Liverpool and enjoy my visits. The majority of people are warm, friendly and humorous, although there is a much darker side of life than you find down here but big cities will always have an edginess.
Liverpool was in terminal decline until EC Objective One status was given in 1994.
Since then European funding has provided approx. £2.3billion up to 2013 with another large tranche due between 2014 and 2020.
Over 2,000 schemes including large projects such as the port, airport, museums, roads and Liverpool arena have been pump primed with free cash.
There should be no problems with Liverpool Council, or any one else, looking to develop cruise facilities but why did they have to be so duplicitous in the way they went about it?
The people who were involved in the grant application at the time, including representatives from the NWDA, Liverpool City Council. Liverpool Vision, Mersey Partnership etc, wanted turnround status from the off but knew full well that their application would fail the EC competition rules if they were to be open about their application so they told porkies and, once the facility was built in 2007.(no one was allowed to call it a Terminal at the time on pain of death), the process to change the grant rules began.
This is the real reason why some other major cruise ports such as Southampton, Newcastle, Harwich etc have complained about breach of EC rules.
The Fred Olsen issue at Gladstone Dock (in 2011) was a red herring but it allowed the City Council to jump on a Peel Ports problem to enhance their own argument.
(Note here that Peel Ports, as the main beneficiary of cruise ship dues have not invested a penny in Liverpool cruise facilities.)
Rather surprisingly the EC seem to have gone against their anti competition rules, not for the first time, and given way on the matter!!
On the other hand the UK Govt took a different view.
The upshot is that Liverpool has acquired a half price facility/floating pontoon/terminal plus a tax payer funded (and architecturally stimulating to be fair) passenger building (from 2015)
Many people down here wonder how better Southampton would be with access to large amounts of grant money.
However that question will never be resolved. Apparently the area is deemed to be 'too wealthy'!!
It will be interesting to see how the cruise business shapes up in the next 5-10 years .and whether our new friends from Merseyside, and other areas,will maintain their interest in the Southern Echo website.
I could find fault with a lot of what you have written but I haven't got the time or inclination to go through it all again.

Lets just demonstrate one little inaccuracy for a start,

Fred Olsen was based in Brunswick Dock for starters .

Gladstone Dock is further along the dock estate and has never had any association with Fred Olsen ships.

I have no intention of ever trying to explain the situation to you again as you have a fixed mind-set based on inaccurate facts and distortions of the truth.

It was the Southern Daily Echo that declared this whole episode " CRUISE WARS " and as far as I am concerned the war is over and you LOST !!!

Although Liverpool has a very small cruise business, Southampton appears absolutely terrified of what might happen up here and how many cruise lines might realise that to base or just visit Liverpool would be a very good business decision for them to make.

It is important to remember .

A key example of Liverpool’s growing importance is the visit of the MSC Magnifica, after her owner said a few years ago it would never operate in the Irish Sea.
MY MISTAKE, SORRY ABOUT THAT.

Fred Olsen was based in Langton Dock and had safety issues concerning the lock which had to be navigated in order to enter and leave the river.

Everything else I wrote is correct.
Apart from the 'little inaccuracy' in my post re the Dock Fred Olsen used in 2011 (which I accept was Langdon Dock) all other information in my post was factual but happy to take on board where the other 'inaccurate facts' and 'distortions of the truth' come from.
btw I think you are correct in so far as Southampton and other disadvantaged cruise ports in the UK appear to have lost the so called 'Port Wars' albeit to a low blow.
I am sure if the boot has been on the other foot and Southampton Council had told porkies to get Grant funding to establish a foothold in the car manufacturing market, for example, to the detriment of Halewood or Ellesmere Port, there would have been uproar on Merseyside. In such circumstances I would hope that people from the Southampton area would not have invaded the Liverpool Echo site to support their Council's duplicitous behaviour.
Fortunately there are quite a few people in Liverpool who are not that supportive of Mayor Anderson and his way of operating and wonder why the cruise facility could not have been funded on a commercial basis.
Unfortunately non of these people post on here which is a shame as their view represents the good people of Liverpool in a much more favourable light
'Disadvantaged Cruise Ports?'
No one challenged my assertion that there had been no unemployment in Southampton as a result of turnaround status in Liverpool.
Now I read that the the port of Newcastle, Southampton's brother in arms, is predicting a bumper 2014 Cruise season!.
Do you think the, 'quite a few people in Liverpool,' are enough to vote big Joe out of office?.
[quote][p][bold]arizonan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: I spend a good deal of time in Liverpool and enjoy my visits. The majority of people are warm, friendly and humorous, although there is a much darker side of life than you find down here but big cities will always have an edginess. Liverpool was in terminal decline until EC Objective One status was given in 1994. Since then European funding has provided approx. £2.3billion up to 2013 with another large tranche due between 2014 and 2020. Over 2,000 schemes including large projects such as the port, airport, museums, roads and Liverpool arena have been pump primed with free cash. There should be no problems with Liverpool Council, or any one else, looking to develop cruise facilities but why did they have to be so duplicitous in the way they went about it? The people who were involved in the grant application at the time, including representatives from the NWDA, Liverpool City Council. Liverpool Vision, Mersey Partnership etc, wanted turnround status from the off but knew full well that their application would fail the EC competition rules if they were to be open about their application so they told porkies and, once the facility was built in 2007.(no one was allowed to call it a Terminal at the time on pain of death), the process to change the grant rules began. This is the real reason why some other major cruise ports such as Southampton, Newcastle, Harwich etc have complained about breach of EC rules. The Fred Olsen issue at Gladstone Dock (in 2011) was a red herring but it allowed the City Council to jump on a Peel Ports problem to enhance their own argument. (Note here that Peel Ports, as the main beneficiary of cruise ship dues have not invested a penny in Liverpool cruise facilities.) Rather surprisingly the EC seem to have gone against their anti competition rules, not for the first time, and given way on the matter!! On the other hand the UK Govt took a different view. The upshot is that Liverpool has acquired a half price facility/floating pontoon/terminal plus a tax payer funded (and architecturally stimulating to be fair) passenger building (from 2015) Many people down here wonder how better Southampton would be with access to large amounts of grant money. However that question will never be resolved. Apparently the area is deemed to be 'too wealthy'!! It will be interesting to see how the cruise business shapes up in the next 5-10 years .and whether our new friends from Merseyside, and other areas,will maintain their interest in the Southern Echo website.[/p][/quote]I could find fault with a lot of what you have written but I haven't got the time or inclination to go through it all again. Lets just demonstrate one little inaccuracy for a start, Fred Olsen was based in Brunswick Dock for starters . Gladstone Dock is further along the dock estate and has never had any association with Fred Olsen ships. I have no intention of ever trying to explain the situation to you again as you have a fixed mind-set based on inaccurate facts and distortions of the truth. It was the Southern Daily Echo that declared this whole episode " CRUISE WARS " and as far as I am concerned the war is over and you LOST !!! Although Liverpool has a very small cruise business, Southampton appears absolutely terrified of what might happen up here and how many cruise lines might realise that to base or just visit Liverpool would be a very good business decision for them to make. It is important to remember . A key example of Liverpool’s growing importance is the visit of the MSC Magnifica, after her owner said a few years ago it would never operate in the Irish Sea.[/p][/quote]MY MISTAKE, SORRY ABOUT THAT. Fred Olsen was based in Langton Dock and had safety issues concerning the lock which had to be navigated in order to enter and leave the river. Everything else I wrote is correct.[/p][/quote]Apart from the 'little inaccuracy' in my post re the Dock Fred Olsen used in 2011 (which I accept was Langdon Dock) all other information in my post was factual but happy to take on board where the other 'inaccurate facts' and 'distortions of the truth' come from. btw I think you are correct in so far as Southampton and other disadvantaged cruise ports in the UK appear to have lost the so called 'Port Wars' albeit to a low blow. I am sure if the boot has been on the other foot and Southampton Council had told porkies to get Grant funding to establish a foothold in the car manufacturing market, for example, to the detriment of Halewood or Ellesmere Port, there would have been uproar on Merseyside. In such circumstances I would hope that people from the Southampton area would not have invaded the Liverpool Echo site to support their Council's duplicitous behaviour. Fortunately there are quite a few people in Liverpool who are not that supportive of Mayor Anderson and his way of operating and wonder why the cruise facility could not have been funded on a commercial basis. Unfortunately non of these people post on here which is a shame as their view represents the good people of Liverpool in a much more favourable light[/p][/quote]'Disadvantaged Cruise Ports?' No one challenged my assertion that there had been no unemployment in Southampton as a result of turnaround status in Liverpool. Now I read that the the port of Newcastle, Southampton's brother in arms, is predicting a bumper 2014 Cruise season!.[/p][/quote]Do you think the, 'quite a few people in Liverpool,' are enough to vote big Joe out of office?. arizonan
  • Score: 1

7:10pm Thu 13 Mar 14

arizonan says...

Finally, to loosehead, you state that you and your wife stayed at the ibis hotel, Wapping Albert Dock.
You also state that staff in the ibis warned you not to go the waterfront.
Just like you to know that the ibis hotel is on the waterfront, so in effect, the hotel staff were telling you not to stay at the ibis.
Finally, to loosehead, you state that you and your wife stayed at the ibis hotel, Wapping Albert Dock. You also state that staff in the ibis warned you not to go the waterfront. Just like you to know that the ibis hotel is on the waterfront, so in effect, the hotel staff were telling you not to stay at the ibis. arizonan
  • Score: 7

8:03pm Thu 13 Mar 14

in search of the truth says...

Princess Cruises has revealed that Royal Princess, which was named by HRH the Duchess of Cambridge last year, will return to the UK for summer 2015.

The ship will sail out of Southampton on a series of British Isles round-trips and will make a number of visits to Liverpool Cruise Terminal.

Christened by Her Royal Highness The Duchess of Cambridge on June 13, 2013, Royal Princess is dazzling her passengers with exciting new features; her innovative SeaWalk® is a glass walkway, suspended 128 feet above the sea!

Paul Ludlow, Princess Cruises managing director UK and Europe, said: “The 2015 programme gives real choice and flexibility to our customers. European cruises are booming in popularity and as such we’ve provided something for everyone, including destinations and packages to suit a wide range of tastes and budgets’
Princess Cruises has revealed that Royal Princess, which was named by HRH the Duchess of Cambridge last year, will return to the UK for summer 2015. The ship will sail out of Southampton on a series of British Isles round-trips and will make a number of visits to Liverpool Cruise Terminal. Christened by Her Royal Highness The Duchess of Cambridge on June 13, 2013, Royal Princess is dazzling her passengers with exciting new features; her innovative SeaWalk® is a glass walkway, suspended 128 feet above the sea! Paul Ludlow, Princess Cruises managing director UK and Europe, said: “The 2015 programme gives real choice and flexibility to our customers. European cruises are booming in popularity and as such we’ve provided something for everyone, including destinations and packages to suit a wide range of tastes and budgets’ in search of the truth
  • Score: 1

8:11pm Thu 13 Mar 14

in search of the truth says...

LIVERPOOL’S new cruise season starts next week, Tuesday 11 March and passengers will be greeted by ‘sheep ahoy’ – a specially commissioned Superlambanana.

With thousands of passengers set to call into the Liverpool during an amazing seven months of visits, this year is set, once again, to be a huge success for the city.

The season will begin with the arrival of the 700 passenger Discovery at 08:00 on Tuesday 11 March and will see over 40 ships visiting the city between now and December.

Liverpool City Council’s cabinet member for culture and tourism, Councillor Wendy Simon, said: “The cruise liner industry is growing year on year and the cruise liner terminal continues to attract new ships.

“This is fantastic for Liverpool’s growth and economy and simply highlights the success of the city as a popular tourist destination.

“It is always great to see these big ships on the Mersey and I hope we can encourage lots of families and young and old to go along to the waterfront and take a look at one of the many ships we will be seeing in 2014.”

Cruise Terminal manager, Angie Redhead, said: “I am delighted to be welcoming so many cruise ships to the city this year.

“Liverpool is going from strength to strength as a passenger destination and I hope we continue to see new visitors to our shores in the future.”
LIVERPOOL’S new cruise season starts next week, Tuesday 11 March and passengers will be greeted by ‘sheep ahoy’ – a specially commissioned Superlambanana. With thousands of passengers set to call into the Liverpool during an amazing seven months of visits, this year is set, once again, to be a huge success for the city. The season will begin with the arrival of the 700 passenger Discovery at 08:00 on Tuesday 11 March and will see over 40 ships visiting the city between now and December. Liverpool City Council’s cabinet member for culture and tourism, Councillor Wendy Simon, said: “The cruise liner industry is growing year on year and the cruise liner terminal continues to attract new ships. “This is fantastic for Liverpool’s growth and economy and simply highlights the success of the city as a popular tourist destination. “It is always great to see these big ships on the Mersey and I hope we can encourage lots of families and young and old to go along to the waterfront and take a look at one of the many ships we will be seeing in 2014.” Cruise Terminal manager, Angie Redhead, said: “I am delighted to be welcoming so many cruise ships to the city this year. “Liverpool is going from strength to strength as a passenger destination and I hope we continue to see new visitors to our shores in the future.” in search of the truth
  • Score: 2

8:14pm Thu 13 Mar 14

in search of the truth says...

MS Britannia, also the largest liner constructed for P&O Cruises, will make her Mersey debut in July 2015, as part of her special round-Britain cruise.

The Britannia is currently being built in Italy but once complete, will embrace a bold new 94 metre Union Flag on her bow displaying the longest version of the Flag anywhere in the world.

The new style represents a contemporary approach to cruising which looks to the future, whilst celebrating the past. The new imagery on the bow will be sympathetic to Britannia’s sweeping lines and enhance her presence across the world in port and at sea.

Her other distinctive features include blue funnels carrying an illuminated rising sun motif which depicts the Oriental part of the Peninsular and Oriental (P&O) name on the company’s Coat of Arms.

‘Britannia’ has a historical resonance for P&O Cruises, as two previous ships connected to the company have held this prestigious name. The first entered service in 1835 for the General Steam Navigation Company (which later became The Peninsular Steam Navigation Company) whilst the second entered service in 1887 to mark the Golden Jubilee of both Queen Victoria and P&O itself.

Britannia will be on her maiden round – Britain 12-night cruise departing from Southampton on July 6, 2015, and has a capacity of 3,647 passengers.

We look forward to welcoming Britannia in 2015 with our famously friendly welcome, which is now becoming synonymous with every visiting cruise ship to our city!
MS Britannia, also the largest liner constructed for P&O Cruises, will make her Mersey debut in July 2015, as part of her special round-Britain cruise. The Britannia is currently being built in Italy but once complete, will embrace a bold new 94 metre Union Flag on her bow displaying the longest version of the Flag anywhere in the world. The new style represents a contemporary approach to cruising which looks to the future, whilst celebrating the past. The new imagery on the bow will be sympathetic to Britannia’s sweeping lines and enhance her presence across the world in port and at sea. Her other distinctive features include blue funnels carrying an illuminated rising sun motif which depicts the Oriental part of the Peninsular and Oriental (P&O) name on the company’s Coat of Arms. ‘Britannia’ has a historical resonance for P&O Cruises, as two previous ships connected to the company have held this prestigious name. The first entered service in 1835 for the General Steam Navigation Company (which later became The Peninsular Steam Navigation Company) whilst the second entered service in 1887 to mark the Golden Jubilee of both Queen Victoria and P&O itself. Britannia will be on her maiden round – Britain 12-night cruise departing from Southampton on July 6, 2015, and has a capacity of 3,647 passengers. We look forward to welcoming Britannia in 2015 with our famously friendly welcome, which is now becoming synonymous with every visiting cruise ship to our city! in search of the truth
  • Score: 0

9:01pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Who's laughing now says...

We've sold our quota, Cunard will take note!

Liverpool Cruise ‏@LiverpoolCruise 8h

Liverpool to New York #cunard sold out in 6 mins. Is there demand to cruise from Liverpool, Yep!!!!! @joeforliverpool @BBCNWT
We've sold our quota, Cunard will take note! Liverpool Cruise ‏@LiverpoolCruise 8h Liverpool to New York #cunard sold out in 6 mins. Is there demand to cruise from Liverpool, Yep!!!!! @joeforliverpool @BBCNWT Who's laughing now
  • Score: 5

9:04pm Thu 13 Mar 14

scousertommy says...

As predicted next years transatlantic cruise from Liverpool on board Queen Mary 2 sells out within 1 hour when it went on sale today (see the following article via the link below.
This is a barometer that people want to sail from the North West and there is a huge demand, without throwing the boot in I think its time Southampton started to get a little bit worried. Peels new scheme Liverpool Waters will also bring with it 2 further berths, it won't be long before Cunard return to their spiritual home!!

www.liverpoolecho.co
.uk/news/liverpool-n
ews/queen-mary-2-tri
p-liverpool-6830838
As predicted next years transatlantic cruise from Liverpool on board Queen Mary 2 sells out within 1 hour when it went on sale today (see the following article via the link below. This is a barometer that people want to sail from the North West and there is a huge demand, without throwing the boot in I think its time Southampton started to get a little bit worried. Peels new scheme Liverpool Waters will also bring with it 2 further berths, it won't be long before Cunard return to their spiritual home!! www.liverpoolecho.co .uk/news/liverpool-n ews/queen-mary-2-tri p-liverpool-6830838 scousertommy
  • Score: 0

9:08pm Thu 13 Mar 14

loosehead says...

so we have a couple of scousers on here boasting about ships that will start their cruises off in Southampton to go around the British Isle are calling into Liverpool?
Bit of a crazy boast isn't it?
This just proves that the facility you built for turnaround status would have been a money earner with out breaking the terms of the grants you lied to get,
So you the tax payers of Liverpool have to pay back the government where as if you had tried to increase your turn around trade it would have cost you nothing
so we have a couple of scousers on here boasting about ships that will start their cruises off in Southampton to go around the British Isle are calling into Liverpool? Bit of a crazy boast isn't it? This just proves that the facility you built for turnaround status would have been a money earner with out breaking the terms of the grants you lied to get, So you the tax payers of Liverpool have to pay back the government where as if you had tried to increase your turn around trade it would have cost you nothing loosehead
  • Score: -3

9:12pm Thu 13 Mar 14

loosehead says...

arizonan wrote:
Finally, to loosehead, you state that you and your wife stayed at the ibis hotel, Wapping Albert Dock.
You also state that staff in the ibis warned you not to go the waterfront.
Just like you to know that the ibis hotel is on the waterfront, so in effect, the hotel staff were telling you not to stay at the ibis.
Do you actually live in Liverpool? It's not on the waterfront I think it's the Jury's Inn that is as is that big wheel you have.
The Ibis has a main road then a walk down to your Titanic museum & maritime museum before you get to the waterfront & it's right next to a Police station.
Oh! we were also told if we went up in the wheel we could see Wales which I replied "Why the hell would I want to see Wales" Okay?
[quote][p][bold]arizonan[/bold] wrote: Finally, to loosehead, you state that you and your wife stayed at the ibis hotel, Wapping Albert Dock. You also state that staff in the ibis warned you not to go the waterfront. Just like you to know that the ibis hotel is on the waterfront, so in effect, the hotel staff were telling you not to stay at the ibis.[/p][/quote]Do you actually live in Liverpool? It's not on the waterfront I think it's the Jury's Inn that is as is that big wheel you have. The Ibis has a main road then a walk down to your Titanic museum & maritime museum before you get to the waterfront & it's right next to a Police station. Oh! we were also told if we went up in the wheel we could see Wales which I replied "Why the hell would I want to see Wales" Okay? loosehead
  • Score: -2

9:16pm Thu 13 Mar 14

loosehead says...

scousertommy wrote:
As predicted next years transatlantic cruise from Liverpool on board Queen Mary 2 sells out within 1 hour when it went on sale today (see the following article via the link below.
This is a barometer that people want to sail from the North West and there is a huge demand, without throwing the boot in I think its time Southampton started to get a little bit worried. Peels new scheme Liverpool Waters will also bring with it 2 further berths, it won't be long before Cunard return to their spiritual home!!

www.liverpoolecho.co

.uk/news/liverpool-n

ews/queen-mary-2-tri

p-liverpool-6830838
So no worries for you lot then? You are all about trying to get one over on this city why? do you want higher house prices or rents that make private rental nearly impossible?
In the hotel I stayed in the cleaning staff were all foreigners & the rooms stunk of dust so exactly how's the cruise trade going to benefit ordinary out of work scousers or young people trying to get on the housing market?
[quote][p][bold]scousertommy[/bold] wrote: As predicted next years transatlantic cruise from Liverpool on board Queen Mary 2 sells out within 1 hour when it went on sale today (see the following article via the link below. This is a barometer that people want to sail from the North West and there is a huge demand, without throwing the boot in I think its time Southampton started to get a little bit worried. Peels new scheme Liverpool Waters will also bring with it 2 further berths, it won't be long before Cunard return to their spiritual home!! www.liverpoolecho.co .uk/news/liverpool-n ews/queen-mary-2-tri p-liverpool-6830838[/p][/quote]So no worries for you lot then? You are all about trying to get one over on this city why? do you want higher house prices or rents that make private rental nearly impossible? In the hotel I stayed in the cleaning staff were all foreigners & the rooms stunk of dust so exactly how's the cruise trade going to benefit ordinary out of work scousers or young people trying to get on the housing market? loosehead
  • Score: -2

9:27pm Thu 13 Mar 14

scousertommy says...

loosehead wrote:
so we have a couple of scousers on here boasting about ships that will start their cruises off in Southampton to go around the British Isle are calling into Liverpool?
Bit of a crazy boast isn't it?
This just proves that the facility you built for turnaround status would have been a money earner with out breaking the terms of the grants you lied to get,
So you the tax payers of Liverpool have to pay back the government where as if you had tried to increase your turn around trade it would have cost you nothing
loosehead do your homework why are you under the impression that all cruises will start in Southampton and visit Liverpool on a round the British Isles tour sorry but you are not factually correct and are starting to read the drivel printed in your own paper, you are very bitter and twisted, as I sit here overlooking the Pier Head from my waterfront apartment I can just imagine you sitting by your computer with a big red face because you know we are right.
Southampton have always been worried where this will end and with the ongoing regeneration of Liverpool City Region and rightly so, why do you think Cunard are celebrating their 175 anniversary on Merseyside and NOT in Hampshire?
Its competition, competition is healthy so get over it....
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: so we have a couple of scousers on here boasting about ships that will start their cruises off in Southampton to go around the British Isle are calling into Liverpool? Bit of a crazy boast isn't it? This just proves that the facility you built for turnaround status would have been a money earner with out breaking the terms of the grants you lied to get, So you the tax payers of Liverpool have to pay back the government where as if you had tried to increase your turn around trade it would have cost you nothing[/p][/quote]loosehead do your homework why are you under the impression that all cruises will start in Southampton and visit Liverpool on a round the British Isles tour sorry but you are not factually correct and are starting to read the drivel printed in your own paper, you are very bitter and twisted, as I sit here overlooking the Pier Head from my waterfront apartment I can just imagine you sitting by your computer with a big red face because you know we are right. Southampton have always been worried where this will end and with the ongoing regeneration of Liverpool City Region and rightly so, why do you think Cunard are celebrating their 175 anniversary on Merseyside and NOT in Hampshire? Its competition, competition is healthy so get over it.... scousertommy
  • Score: 4

9:40pm Thu 13 Mar 14

arizonan says...

loosehead wrote:
scousertommy wrote:
As predicted next years transatlantic cruise from Liverpool on board Queen Mary 2 sells out within 1 hour when it went on sale today (see the following article via the link below.
This is a barometer that people want to sail from the North West and there is a huge demand, without throwing the boot in I think its time Southampton started to get a little bit worried. Peels new scheme Liverpool Waters will also bring with it 2 further berths, it won't be long before Cunard return to their spiritual home!!

www.liverpoolecho.co


.uk/news/liverpool-n


ews/queen-mary-2-tri


p-liverpool-6830838
So no worries for you lot then? You are all about trying to get one over on this city why? do you want higher house prices or rents that make private rental nearly impossible?
In the hotel I stayed in the cleaning staff were all foreigners & the rooms stunk of dust so exactly how's the cruise trade going to benefit ordinary out of work scousers or young people trying to get on the housing market?
As people who wanted to board in Liverpool on QM2 to New York are being offered a departure from Southampton, proving that more people want to Cruise from Liverpool, Cunard should make those berths from Southampton available to Liverpool departures.
This is not about maximising profit on this voyage, it is about celebrating the voyage that gave birth to Cunard. And that voyage started in LIverpool, not Southampton.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scousertommy[/bold] wrote: As predicted next years transatlantic cruise from Liverpool on board Queen Mary 2 sells out within 1 hour when it went on sale today (see the following article via the link below. This is a barometer that people want to sail from the North West and there is a huge demand, without throwing the boot in I think its time Southampton started to get a little bit worried. Peels new scheme Liverpool Waters will also bring with it 2 further berths, it won't be long before Cunard return to their spiritual home!! www.liverpoolecho.co .uk/news/liverpool-n ews/queen-mary-2-tri p-liverpool-6830838[/p][/quote]So no worries for you lot then? You are all about trying to get one over on this city why? do you want higher house prices or rents that make private rental nearly impossible? In the hotel I stayed in the cleaning staff were all foreigners & the rooms stunk of dust so exactly how's the cruise trade going to benefit ordinary out of work scousers or young people trying to get on the housing market?[/p][/quote]As people who wanted to board in Liverpool on QM2 to New York are being offered a departure from Southampton, proving that more people want to Cruise from Liverpool, Cunard should make those berths from Southampton available to Liverpool departures. This is not about maximising profit on this voyage, it is about celebrating the voyage that gave birth to Cunard. And that voyage started in LIverpool, not Southampton. arizonan
  • Score: 4

10:42pm Thu 13 Mar 14

AlwynM says...

I think it's plain to see that adding Liverpool is going to be great for the industry as a whole and I hope it goes from strength to strength because it has so much to offer.
I think it's plain to see that adding Liverpool is going to be great for the industry as a whole and I hope it goes from strength to strength because it has so much to offer. AlwynM
  • Score: 4

12:53am Fri 14 Mar 14

in search of the truth says...

I think it's rather strange that people on this posting go on about how marvelous a port, Southampton is and that nobody would want to cruise from Liverpool, also no cruise line with any business sense would ever seriously arrange for a large number of cruises from Liverpool.

Since that must be the case due to Southampton being such a super dooper, fantastic world renowned No 1 cruise port in the whole of Europe, with a near monopoly of the cruise trade in the UK and Liverpool only has a tiny, tiny percentage of the cruise trade in the UK.

Since you all believe this fairy tale about Southampton, why do you keep referring to Liverpool as your rival if it is that small compared to Southampton.

I'll tell you why, because you are petrified by the developments that are beginning to take shape . You have been living in a dream world with your eyes closed ( a little world where Southampton is forever No 1 in the cruise world ) .

Wakey, wakey Southampton change is on its way and the cruise industry knows it. Tilbury offers cruisers better access to London so you'll have to drop the title Southampton Port ( London ). Liverpool offers fantastic architecture, museums and other attractions and has just been voted best UK port to visit.
I think it's rather strange that people on this posting go on about how marvelous a port, Southampton is and that nobody would want to cruise from Liverpool, also no cruise line with any business sense would ever seriously arrange for a large number of cruises from Liverpool. Since that must be the case due to Southampton being such a super dooper, fantastic world renowned No 1 cruise port in the whole of Europe, with a near monopoly of the cruise trade in the UK and Liverpool only has a tiny, tiny percentage of the cruise trade in the UK. Since you all believe this fairy tale about Southampton, why do you keep referring to Liverpool as your rival if it is that small compared to Southampton. I'll tell you why, because you are petrified by the developments that are beginning to take shape . You have been living in a dream world with your eyes closed ( a little world where Southampton is forever No 1 in the cruise world ) . Wakey, wakey Southampton change is on its way and the cruise industry knows it. Tilbury offers cruisers better access to London so you'll have to drop the title Southampton Port ( London ). Liverpool offers fantastic architecture, museums and other attractions and has just been voted best UK port to visit. in search of the truth
  • Score: 7

5:10am Fri 14 Mar 14

arizonan says...

loosehead wrote:
arizonan wrote:
Finally, to loosehead, you state that you and your wife stayed at the ibis hotel, Wapping Albert Dock.
You also state that staff in the ibis warned you not to go the waterfront.
Just like you to know that the ibis hotel is on the waterfront, so in effect, the hotel staff were telling you not to stay at the ibis.
Do you actually live in Liverpool? It's not on the waterfront I think it's the Jury's Inn that is as is that big wheel you have.
The Ibis has a main road then a walk down to your Titanic museum & maritime museum before you get to the waterfront & it's right next to a Police station.
Oh! we were also told if we went up in the wheel we could see Wales which I replied "Why the hell would I want to see Wales" Okay?
Wapping, Albert Dock is the address you gave for the hotel you stayed in.
That is the waterfront.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arizonan[/bold] wrote: Finally, to loosehead, you state that you and your wife stayed at the ibis hotel, Wapping Albert Dock. You also state that staff in the ibis warned you not to go the waterfront. Just like you to know that the ibis hotel is on the waterfront, so in effect, the hotel staff were telling you not to stay at the ibis.[/p][/quote]Do you actually live in Liverpool? It's not on the waterfront I think it's the Jury's Inn that is as is that big wheel you have. The Ibis has a main road then a walk down to your Titanic museum & maritime museum before you get to the waterfront & it's right next to a Police station. Oh! we were also told if we went up in the wheel we could see Wales which I replied "Why the hell would I want to see Wales" Okay?[/p][/quote]Wapping, Albert Dock is the address you gave for the hotel you stayed in. That is the waterfront. arizonan
  • Score: 4

6:35am Fri 14 Mar 14

loosehead says...

scousertommy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
so we have a couple of scousers on here boasting about ships that will start their cruises off in Southampton to go around the British Isle are calling into Liverpool?
Bit of a crazy boast isn't it?
This just proves that the facility you built for turnaround status would have been a money earner with out breaking the terms of the grants you lied to get,
So you the tax payers of Liverpool have to pay back the government where as if you had tried to increase your turn around trade it would have cost you nothing
loosehead do your homework why are you under the impression that all cruises will start in Southampton and visit Liverpool on a round the British Isles tour sorry but you are not factually correct and are starting to read the drivel printed in your own paper, you are very bitter and twisted, as I sit here overlooking the Pier Head from my waterfront apartment I can just imagine you sitting by your computer with a big red face because you know we are right.
Southampton have always been worried where this will end and with the ongoing regeneration of Liverpool City Region and rightly so, why do you think Cunard are celebrating their 175 anniversary on Merseyside and NOT in Hampshire?
Its competition, competition is healthy so get over it....
i know they're not all starting in Southampton. Look I wish Liverpool all the best & through my father I have nothing but admiration for your city.
But I can't accept the people I met are the same people who run your council!
I talked to friendly polite people who didn't seem to be liars yet your council lied & that's what the people of this city are opposed to.
if they'd gone about with all their cards on the table & still got the grant then Yes ABP could oppose it but we the residents would know you were honest about your intentions but as history has now proven your council weren't honest from day 1
[quote][p][bold]scousertommy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: so we have a couple of scousers on here boasting about ships that will start their cruises off in Southampton to go around the British Isle are calling into Liverpool? Bit of a crazy boast isn't it? This just proves that the facility you built for turnaround status would have been a money earner with out breaking the terms of the grants you lied to get, So you the tax payers of Liverpool have to pay back the government where as if you had tried to increase your turn around trade it would have cost you nothing[/p][/quote]loosehead do your homework why are you under the impression that all cruises will start in Southampton and visit Liverpool on a round the British Isles tour sorry but you are not factually correct and are starting to read the drivel printed in your own paper, you are very bitter and twisted, as I sit here overlooking the Pier Head from my waterfront apartment I can just imagine you sitting by your computer with a big red face because you know we are right. Southampton have always been worried where this will end and with the ongoing regeneration of Liverpool City Region and rightly so, why do you think Cunard are celebrating their 175 anniversary on Merseyside and NOT in Hampshire? Its competition, competition is healthy so get over it....[/p][/quote]i know they're not all starting in Southampton. Look I wish Liverpool all the best & through my father I have nothing but admiration for your city. But I can't accept the people I met are the same people who run your council! I talked to friendly polite people who didn't seem to be liars yet your council lied & that's what the people of this city are opposed to. if they'd gone about with all their cards on the table & still got the grant then Yes ABP could oppose it but we the residents would know you were honest about your intentions but as history has now proven your council weren't honest from day 1 loosehead
  • Score: 0

3:20pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Tom Liverpool says...

This is getting really depressing. the city of Liverpool is NOT the place portrayed in the postings in the Daily Echo
From reading the Daily Echo,it seems to me that your city has the same problems as Liverpool, drugs, crime and similar social problems,as do all cities but why do the posters on this page continue to imply that only Liverpool suffers in this way. I frequently make the walk from Albert Dock to the Pier Head and have NEVER EVER seen the drug addicts and scumbags as stated in that area, in fact if they were to congregate there they would soon be moved on, the biggest problem in my eyes are the skate boarders who use the Pier Head area, to every -ones annoyance.
This started as a dispute about funding for the floating landing stage (its correct terminology when it existed up to the 1970's ,and was used to keep Britain fed and supplied from America during the 2nd. world war, a fact people in the South don't seem to appreciate. ) but for some reason is not considered to be a replacement, which technically it is. And has become a war of words about who is best. PATHETIC.
This is getting really depressing. the city of Liverpool is NOT the place portrayed in the postings in the Daily Echo From reading the Daily Echo,it seems to me that your city has the same problems as Liverpool, drugs, crime and similar social problems,as do all cities but why do the posters on this page continue to imply that only Liverpool suffers in this way. I frequently make the walk from Albert Dock to the Pier Head and have NEVER EVER seen the drug addicts and scumbags as stated in that area, in fact if they were to congregate there they would soon be moved on, the biggest problem in my eyes are the skate boarders who use the Pier Head area, to every -ones annoyance. This started as a dispute about funding for the floating landing stage (its correct terminology when it existed up to the 1970's ,and was used to keep Britain fed and supplied from America during the 2nd. world war, a fact people in the South don't seem to appreciate. ) but for some reason is not considered to be a replacement, which technically it is. And has become a war of words about who is best. PATHETIC. Tom Liverpool
  • Score: 5

6:18pm Fri 14 Mar 14

loosehead says...

Tom Liverpool wrote:
This is getting really depressing. the city of Liverpool is NOT the place portrayed in the postings in the Daily Echo
From reading the Daily Echo,it seems to me that your city has the same problems as Liverpool, drugs, crime and similar social problems,as do all cities but why do the posters on this page continue to imply that only Liverpool suffers in this way. I frequently make the walk from Albert Dock to the Pier Head and have NEVER EVER seen the drug addicts and scumbags as stated in that area, in fact if they were to congregate there they would soon be moved on, the biggest problem in my eyes are the skate boarders who use the Pier Head area, to every -ones annoyance.
This started as a dispute about funding for the floating landing stage (its correct terminology when it existed up to the 1970's ,and was used to keep Britain fed and supplied from America during the 2nd. world war, a fact people in the South don't seem to appreciate. ) but for some reason is not considered to be a replacement, which technically it is. And has become a war of words about who is best. PATHETIC.
Up until the bit of making me out to be a liar I was agreeing with you!
I know what a joint is I know the smell & I know my wife & I witnessed it.
But to support some of your post I'll say this as I'm looking to relocate to Liverpool I've done Police comparisons with the area I now live in & areas of Liverpool.
Bootle Huyton & Kirkby have far better crime rates than my area Fazakerly,Walton & Speke are worse for burglary but better for all other types of crime so a lot of what's perceived to be Liverpool is false.
Maybe you all should be up in arms at the BBC's stereotyping of Scousers?
Husband in prison son caught people trafficking now in prison daughters boyfriend into all crime mother looking to rip off a richer man but one daughter joining the police all on Waterloo Road
[quote][p][bold]Tom Liverpool[/bold] wrote: This is getting really depressing. the city of Liverpool is NOT the place portrayed in the postings in the Daily Echo From reading the Daily Echo,it seems to me that your city has the same problems as Liverpool, drugs, crime and similar social problems,as do all cities but why do the posters on this page continue to imply that only Liverpool suffers in this way. I frequently make the walk from Albert Dock to the Pier Head and have NEVER EVER seen the drug addicts and scumbags as stated in that area, in fact if they were to congregate there they would soon be moved on, the biggest problem in my eyes are the skate boarders who use the Pier Head area, to every -ones annoyance. This started as a dispute about funding for the floating landing stage (its correct terminology when it existed up to the 1970's ,and was used to keep Britain fed and supplied from America during the 2nd. world war, a fact people in the South don't seem to appreciate. ) but for some reason is not considered to be a replacement, which technically it is. And has become a war of words about who is best. PATHETIC.[/p][/quote]Up until the bit of making me out to be a liar I was agreeing with you! I know what a joint is I know the smell & I know my wife & I witnessed it. But to support some of your post I'll say this as I'm looking to relocate to Liverpool I've done Police comparisons with the area I now live in & areas of Liverpool. Bootle Huyton & Kirkby have far better crime rates than my area Fazakerly,Walton & Speke are worse for burglary but better for all other types of crime so a lot of what's perceived to be Liverpool is false. Maybe you all should be up in arms at the BBC's stereotyping of Scousers? Husband in prison son caught people trafficking now in prison daughters boyfriend into all crime mother looking to rip off a richer man but one daughter joining the police all on Waterloo Road loosehead
  • Score: -3

8:15am Sat 15 Mar 14

in search of the truth says...

If you really want to see which places are crime ridden, I suggest that you read this article from Daily Mail. Liverpool isn't mentioned once because these area's are the top crime hotspots.

http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
2389085/Britains-cri
me-hotspots-Astonish
ing-new-figures-iden
tify-lawless-postcod
es-country--zero-Lon
dons-Westfield-Shopp
ing-centres.html
If you really want to see which places are crime ridden, I suggest that you read this article from Daily Mail. Liverpool isn't mentioned once because these area's are the top crime hotspots. http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2389085/Britains-cri me-hotspots-Astonish ing-new-figures-iden tify-lawless-postcod es-country--zero-Lon dons-Westfield-Shopp ing-centres.html in search of the truth
  • Score: 1

10:33am Sat 15 Mar 14

loosehead says...

in search of the truth wrote:
If you really want to see which places are crime ridden, I suggest that you read this article from Daily Mail. Liverpool isn't mentioned once because these area's are the top crime hotspots.

http://www.dailymail

.co.uk/news/article-

2389085/Britains-cri

me-hotspots-Astonish

ing-new-figures-iden

tify-lawless-postcod

es-country--zero-Lon

dons-Westfield-Shopp

ing-centres.html
in search of the truth I have opened many people's eyes to the fact that Southampton's crime figures are worse than Liverpool's so I'm in agreement with you!
[quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: If you really want to see which places are crime ridden, I suggest that you read this article from Daily Mail. Liverpool isn't mentioned once because these area's are the top crime hotspots. http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2389085/Britains-cri me-hotspots-Astonish ing-new-figures-iden tify-lawless-postcod es-country--zero-Lon dons-Westfield-Shopp ing-centres.html[/p][/quote]in search of the truth I have opened many people's eyes to the fact that Southampton's crime figures are worse than Liverpool's so I'm in agreement with you! loosehead
  • Score: 2

11:07am Sat 15 Mar 14

in search of the truth says...

loosehead wrote:
in search of the truth wrote:
If you really want to see which places are crime ridden, I suggest that you read this article from Daily Mail. Liverpool isn't mentioned once because these area's are the top crime hotspots.

http://www.dailymail


.co.uk/news/article-


2389085/Britains-cri


me-hotspots-Astonish


ing-new-figures-iden


tify-lawless-postcod


es-country--zero-Lon


dons-Westfield-Shopp


ing-centres.html
in search of the truth I have opened many people's eyes to the fact that Southampton's crime figures are worse than Liverpool's so I'm in agreement with you!
Thank you .

I posted this link simply to highlight to others that what I have said on the matter can be verified if people would only look.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: If you really want to see which places are crime ridden, I suggest that you read this article from Daily Mail. Liverpool isn't mentioned once because these area's are the top crime hotspots. http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2389085/Britains-cri me-hotspots-Astonish ing-new-figures-iden tify-lawless-postcod es-country--zero-Lon dons-Westfield-Shopp ing-centres.html[/p][/quote]in search of the truth I have opened many people's eyes to the fact that Southampton's crime figures are worse than Liverpool's so I'm in agreement with you![/p][/quote]Thank you . I posted this link simply to highlight to others that what I have said on the matter can be verified if people would only look. in search of the truth
  • Score: 0

11:54pm Sat 15 Mar 14

in search of the truth says...

An open letter yo the editor of the Southern Daily Echo.

Dear Mr Murray,

As the Editor of the Southern Daily Echo and the instigator of the " CRUISE WARS " campaign, the whole world is anxiously awaiting the next installment of your blog regarding this matter, now that the EU has decided in Liverpool's favour.

There are rumours afoot that you are far too busy to comment, as you are far more interested in trying to persuade people to sell off some of the cultural family silver which belongs to the citizens of Southampton and lies within Southampton Art Gallery . Shame on you Mr Murray. As editor of the local newspaper you should be Devil's Advocate , by all means report on the matter, but you should not abuse your position of influence by taking sides in this matter.

I find your blogs regarding Liverpool quite interesting, although some of the facts you present are often inaccurate, a little bit like the typographical errors that appear regularly in your newspaper ( and are spotted constantly by your local readers, much to my amusement ). One thing that really amuses me is the fact that Southampton is the cruise capital of Europe ( your claim not mine ) , and Liverpool has something like 5 percent of market share, however you claim Liverpool is Southampton's great rival. I would suggest that you and others are terrified of the potential threat Liverpool poses to Southampton.

Southampton's main rival at the moment is Dover and Harwich ( by market share ). Southampton's large share of the market is due to it's close proximity to London , if the facilities at the London Cruise Terminal at Tilbury take off then a large number of cruises will definately move , as this country suffers from a terrible London centric complaint ( people north of Watford have had to suffer the consequences of this national condition for years ), it now looks pretty certain that Southampton will suffer shortly.

I trust that you will be compiling another blog about this subject in the near future ( I hope you don't succeed in your attempt to sell off Southamptons family silver ), and I look forward to reading your latest rant on the subject.
An open letter yo the editor of the Southern Daily Echo. Dear Mr Murray, As the Editor of the Southern Daily Echo and the instigator of the " CRUISE WARS " campaign, the whole world is anxiously awaiting the next installment of your blog regarding this matter, now that the EU has decided in Liverpool's favour. There are rumours afoot that you are far too busy to comment, as you are far more interested in trying to persuade people to sell off some of the cultural family silver which belongs to the citizens of Southampton and lies within Southampton Art Gallery . Shame on you Mr Murray. As editor of the local newspaper you should be Devil's Advocate , by all means report on the matter, but you should not abuse your position of influence by taking sides in this matter. I find your blogs regarding Liverpool quite interesting, although some of the facts you present are often inaccurate, a little bit like the typographical errors that appear regularly in your newspaper ( and are spotted constantly by your local readers, much to my amusement ). One thing that really amuses me is the fact that Southampton is the cruise capital of Europe ( your claim not mine ) , and Liverpool has something like 5 percent of market share, however you claim Liverpool is Southampton's great rival. I would suggest that you and others are terrified of the potential threat Liverpool poses to Southampton. Southampton's main rival at the moment is Dover and Harwich ( by market share ). Southampton's large share of the market is due to it's close proximity to London , if the facilities at the London Cruise Terminal at Tilbury take off then a large number of cruises will definately move , as this country suffers from a terrible London centric complaint ( people north of Watford have had to suffer the consequences of this national condition for years ), it now looks pretty certain that Southampton will suffer shortly. I trust that you will be compiling another blog about this subject in the near future ( I hope you don't succeed in your attempt to sell off Southamptons family silver ), and I look forward to reading your latest rant on the subject. in search of the truth
  • Score: 7

11:40am Mon 17 Mar 14

AlwynM says...

Can someone please explain why Southampton isn't worried more about competition from ports closer to home - i.e. on the south coast?
Can someone please explain why Southampton isn't worried more about competition from ports closer to home - i.e. on the south coast? AlwynM
  • Score: 3

11:56am Mon 17 Mar 14

loosehead says...

AlwynM wrote:
Can someone please explain why Southampton isn't worried more about competition from ports closer to home - i.e. on the south coast?
Portsmouth have built a medium sized cruise ship terminal & have made it quite clear that's the market they're going for.
But let's get it right just for once. Southampton isn't worried indeed ABP has said it has no quarrel with privately funded cruise or container facilities being built.
But Liverpools was built with Government money from this country & the EU.
Now Unless I'm missing something I can't remember the reasons for not opposing Shellhaven which also was built with both Government & EU money besides they said the money was for the building of a container port & that's exactly what they did unlike Liverpools application for grant money where they lied to get the money?
Do you honestly think Browns Labour Government would have given Liverpool the grant money to compete with London or London catchment area ports?
the real reason Labour wouldn't allow change of use as they want t6o win Londoners votes?
[quote][p][bold]AlwynM[/bold] wrote: Can someone please explain why Southampton isn't worried more about competition from ports closer to home - i.e. on the south coast?[/p][/quote]Portsmouth have built a medium sized cruise ship terminal & have made it quite clear that's the market they're going for. But let's get it right just for once. Southampton isn't worried indeed ABP has said it has no quarrel with privately funded cruise or container facilities being built. But Liverpools was built with Government money from this country & the EU. Now Unless I'm missing something I can't remember the reasons for not opposing Shellhaven which also was built with both Government & EU money besides they said the money was for the building of a container port & that's exactly what they did unlike Liverpools application for grant money where they lied to get the money? Do you honestly think Browns Labour Government would have given Liverpool the grant money to compete with London or London catchment area ports? the real reason Labour wouldn't allow change of use as they want t6o win Londoners votes? loosehead
  • Score: -1

4:40pm Mon 17 Mar 14

in search of the truth says...

GREAT NEWS

Fred Olsen Cruise Lines’ MS Black Watch set for two return voyages from Liverpool Cruise Terminal to Canada
Fred Olsen cruise liner, MS Black Watch at the Pier Head, Liverpool

The first Liverpool - Canada transatlantic crossings since 1971 are now scheduled for next year.

Fred Olsen Cruise Lines’ MS Black Watch will undertake two return voyages from Liverpool Cruise Terminal to Canada in May 2015 and August 2015.

These will be the first direct sailings to Canada since Canadian Pacific’s flagship SS Empress of Canada closed ocean liner services from her Liverpool homeport 43 years ago.

The new voyages also show eastern Canada to be accessible on UK cruises, in spite of its apparent distance, with Liverpool still the ideal departure port.

Black Watch’s 28-night “Cities & Landscapes of Canada” cruise departs Liverpool on May 22, 2015, making a mid-Atlantic call at the Azores, port-hopping along the Canadian coast and transiting the St Lawrence River far inland to Quebec and Montreal.

Fares start from £2,999 per person for the voyage and rise to £5,499 for a premier cabin with balcony or suite.

The cruise liner will also run a shorter 16-night traditional Canadian experience on August 14, 2015, from Liverpool called the “Rugged & Rural Canada” cruise.

This late summer cruise visits three eastern Canadian provinces but does not enter the St Lawrence River. Fares range from £1,699 to £3,199 per person. Both cruises can be booked from next Monday (Mar 24).

At 28,631 gross tons and carrying just 880 passengers, the spacious Black Watch is ideal for transatlantic sailings.

The liner was built as Royal Viking Star for the now defunct five star-rated Royal Viking Line’s long distance ocean cruising.

Martin Lister, Fred Olsen Cruise Lines itinerary planning manager: said: “Fred Olsen is delighted to offer the first cruises from Liverpool to Canada in many decades.

“Black Watch’s 28-night cruise, from Liverpool on May 22, 2015 gives you the great contrast of modern versus traditional and big city versus small town, plus cruising along the St Lawrence River and seeing what eastern Canada offers.

“Canada seems so much further and ‘out there’ compared to European destinations and is also a transatlantic crossing on another continent, but it is possible and Fred Olsen is the only cruise line doing it!

“Our 16-night cruise from Liverpool on August 14-30, 2015, incorporates two weekends so you only require 11 days’ leave.

“You get a lot of Canada in 16 nights with five ports in Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, and Labrador, plus Killybegs, Ireland, outbound, and Belfast on return.

“Our ex-UK regional departure port strategy means those from around Liverpool can visit relatives in Canada and celebrate their Canadian heritage.”

Black Watch’s sister ship Boudicca is Fred Olsen’s current Liverpool cruise liner and starts her 2014 season departing on June 29 for Norway and the Shetland Islands.
GREAT NEWS Fred Olsen Cruise Lines’ MS Black Watch set for two return voyages from Liverpool Cruise Terminal to Canada Fred Olsen cruise liner, MS Black Watch at the Pier Head, Liverpool The first Liverpool - Canada transatlantic crossings since 1971 are now scheduled for next year. Fred Olsen Cruise Lines’ MS Black Watch will undertake two return voyages from Liverpool Cruise Terminal to Canada in May 2015 and August 2015. These will be the first direct sailings to Canada since Canadian Pacific’s flagship SS Empress of Canada closed ocean liner services from her Liverpool homeport 43 years ago. The new voyages also show eastern Canada to be accessible on UK cruises, in spite of its apparent distance, with Liverpool still the ideal departure port. Black Watch’s 28-night “Cities & Landscapes of Canada” cruise departs Liverpool on May 22, 2015, making a mid-Atlantic call at the Azores, port-hopping along the Canadian coast and transiting the St Lawrence River far inland to Quebec and Montreal. Fares start from £2,999 per person for the voyage and rise to £5,499 for a premier cabin with balcony or suite. The cruise liner will also run a shorter 16-night traditional Canadian experience on August 14, 2015, from Liverpool called the “Rugged & Rural Canada” cruise. This late summer cruise visits three eastern Canadian provinces but does not enter the St Lawrence River. Fares range from £1,699 to £3,199 per person. Both cruises can be booked from next Monday (Mar 24). At 28,631 gross tons and carrying just 880 passengers, the spacious Black Watch is ideal for transatlantic sailings. The liner was built as Royal Viking Star for the now defunct five star-rated Royal Viking Line’s long distance ocean cruising. Martin Lister, Fred Olsen Cruise Lines itinerary planning manager: said: “Fred Olsen is delighted to offer the first cruises from Liverpool to Canada in many decades. “Black Watch’s 28-night cruise, from Liverpool on May 22, 2015 gives you the great contrast of modern versus traditional and big city versus small town, plus cruising along the St Lawrence River and seeing what eastern Canada offers. “Canada seems so much further and ‘out there’ compared to European destinations and is also a transatlantic crossing on another continent, but it is possible and Fred Olsen is the only cruise line doing it! “Our 16-night cruise from Liverpool on August 14-30, 2015, incorporates two weekends so you only require 11 days’ leave. “You get a lot of Canada in 16 nights with five ports in Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, and Labrador, plus Killybegs, Ireland, outbound, and Belfast on return. “Our ex-UK regional departure port strategy means those from around Liverpool can visit relatives in Canada and celebrate their Canadian heritage.” Black Watch’s sister ship Boudicca is Fred Olsen’s current Liverpool cruise liner and starts her 2014 season departing on June 29 for Norway and the Shetland Islands. in search of the truth
  • Score: 2

5:43pm Mon 17 Mar 14

in search of the truth says...

in search of the truth wrote:
GREAT NEWS

Fred Olsen Cruise Lines’ MS Black Watch set for two return voyages from Liverpool Cruise Terminal to Canada
Fred Olsen cruise liner, MS Black Watch at the Pier Head, Liverpool

The first Liverpool - Canada transatlantic crossings since 1971 are now scheduled for next year.

Fred Olsen Cruise Lines’ MS Black Watch will undertake two return voyages from Liverpool Cruise Terminal to Canada in May 2015 and August 2015.

These will be the first direct sailings to Canada since Canadian Pacific’s flagship SS Empress of Canada closed ocean liner services from her Liverpool homeport 43 years ago.

The new voyages also show eastern Canada to be accessible on UK cruises, in spite of its apparent distance, with Liverpool still the ideal departure port.

Black Watch’s 28-night “Cities & Landscapes of Canada” cruise departs Liverpool on May 22, 2015, making a mid-Atlantic call at the Azores, port-hopping along the Canadian coast and transiting the St Lawrence River far inland to Quebec and Montreal.

Fares start from £2,999 per person for the voyage and rise to £5,499 for a premier cabin with balcony or suite.

The cruise liner will also run a shorter 16-night traditional Canadian experience on August 14, 2015, from Liverpool called the “Rugged & Rural Canada” cruise.

This late summer cruise visits three eastern Canadian provinces but does not enter the St Lawrence River. Fares range from £1,699 to £3,199 per person. Both cruises can be booked from next Monday (Mar 24).

At 28,631 gross tons and carrying just 880 passengers, the spacious Black Watch is ideal for transatlantic sailings.

The liner was built as Royal Viking Star for the now defunct five star-rated Royal Viking Line’s long distance ocean cruising.

Martin Lister, Fred Olsen Cruise Lines itinerary planning manager: said: “Fred Olsen is delighted to offer the first cruises from Liverpool to Canada in many decades.

“Black Watch’s 28-night cruise, from Liverpool on May 22, 2015 gives you the great contrast of modern versus traditional and big city versus small town, plus cruising along the St Lawrence River and seeing what eastern Canada offers.

“Canada seems so much further and ‘out there’ compared to European destinations and is also a transatlantic crossing on another continent, but it is possible and Fred Olsen is the only cruise line doing it!

“Our 16-night cruise from Liverpool on August 14-30, 2015, incorporates two weekends so you only require 11 days’ leave.

“You get a lot of Canada in 16 nights with five ports in Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, and Labrador, plus Killybegs, Ireland, outbound, and Belfast on return.

“Our ex-UK regional departure port strategy means those from around Liverpool can visit relatives in Canada and celebrate their Canadian heritage.”

Black Watch’s sister ship Boudicca is Fred Olsen’s current Liverpool cruise liner and starts her 2014 season departing on June 29 for Norway and the Shetland Islands.
I remember in my teen's , watching " Empress of Canada " and " Empress of England " at the old Princes Landing Stage in the 1960's. The new floating cruise ship landing stage is situated in more or less the same location.

If you want the story of the cruises to Canada aboard MS Black Watch see...

http://www.liverpool
echo.co.uk/news/live
rpool-news/liverpool
-set-first-canada-tr
ansatlantic-6842270
[quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: GREAT NEWS Fred Olsen Cruise Lines’ MS Black Watch set for two return voyages from Liverpool Cruise Terminal to Canada Fred Olsen cruise liner, MS Black Watch at the Pier Head, Liverpool The first Liverpool - Canada transatlantic crossings since 1971 are now scheduled for next year. Fred Olsen Cruise Lines’ MS Black Watch will undertake two return voyages from Liverpool Cruise Terminal to Canada in May 2015 and August 2015. These will be the first direct sailings to Canada since Canadian Pacific’s flagship SS Empress of Canada closed ocean liner services from her Liverpool homeport 43 years ago. The new voyages also show eastern Canada to be accessible on UK cruises, in spite of its apparent distance, with Liverpool still the ideal departure port. Black Watch’s 28-night “Cities & Landscapes of Canada” cruise departs Liverpool on May 22, 2015, making a mid-Atlantic call at the Azores, port-hopping along the Canadian coast and transiting the St Lawrence River far inland to Quebec and Montreal. Fares start from £2,999 per person for the voyage and rise to £5,499 for a premier cabin with balcony or suite. The cruise liner will also run a shorter 16-night traditional Canadian experience on August 14, 2015, from Liverpool called the “Rugged & Rural Canada” cruise. This late summer cruise visits three eastern Canadian provinces but does not enter the St Lawrence River. Fares range from £1,699 to £3,199 per person. Both cruises can be booked from next Monday (Mar 24). At 28,631 gross tons and carrying just 880 passengers, the spacious Black Watch is ideal for transatlantic sailings. The liner was built as Royal Viking Star for the now defunct five star-rated Royal Viking Line’s long distance ocean cruising. Martin Lister, Fred Olsen Cruise Lines itinerary planning manager: said: “Fred Olsen is delighted to offer the first cruises from Liverpool to Canada in many decades. “Black Watch’s 28-night cruise, from Liverpool on May 22, 2015 gives you the great contrast of modern versus traditional and big city versus small town, plus cruising along the St Lawrence River and seeing what eastern Canada offers. “Canada seems so much further and ‘out there’ compared to European destinations and is also a transatlantic crossing on another continent, but it is possible and Fred Olsen is the only cruise line doing it! “Our 16-night cruise from Liverpool on August 14-30, 2015, incorporates two weekends so you only require 11 days’ leave. “You get a lot of Canada in 16 nights with five ports in Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, and Labrador, plus Killybegs, Ireland, outbound, and Belfast on return. “Our ex-UK regional departure port strategy means those from around Liverpool can visit relatives in Canada and celebrate their Canadian heritage.” Black Watch’s sister ship Boudicca is Fred Olsen’s current Liverpool cruise liner and starts her 2014 season departing on June 29 for Norway and the Shetland Islands.[/p][/quote]I remember in my teen's , watching " Empress of Canada " and " Empress of England " at the old Princes Landing Stage in the 1960's. The new floating cruise ship landing stage is situated in more or less the same location. If you want the story of the cruises to Canada aboard MS Black Watch see... http://www.liverpool echo.co.uk/news/live rpool-news/liverpool -set-first-canada-tr ansatlantic-6842270 in search of the truth
  • Score: 4

7:38pm Sat 22 Mar 14

in search of the truth says...

Daily Telegraph announces that it will be holding the Telegraph Cruise Show in Liverpool, at the Echo Arena, from October 11th-12th.



We are pleased to announce Liverpool as our first regional cruise show.

As the birthplace of the first passenger cruise line, with an unrivalled maritime history and a cruise terminal at the heart of the city’s waterfront, Liverpool was an obvious destination for the cruise show. It's not surprising that it was voted Best UK Port of Call at Cruise Critic UK's editor’s pick awards last month.

Joe Anderson, Mayor of Liverpool, said: “I am delighted that Liverpool has been selected by the Telegraph as the host city for the very first regional cruise show. Liverpool is renowned for its strong maritime history, and we continue to proudly play an integral role in today’s cruise industry. The cruise sector is hugely important to Liverpool and it is no exaggeration to say the cruise liner terminal has reinvented the city.

When it opened in 2007 three cruise ships came to the city and this year we will welcome more than 50.”

The Telegraph Cruise Show Liverpool will follow the successful format of the London show featuring:

- the leading cruise lines
- a stellar line up of talks by celebrities and Telegraph travel journalists
- interactive experiences to show what it's really like to be on-board
- advice on the most desirable cruise destinations
- the latest cruise itineraries and offers

Angus Struthers, director at Cunard, said: “Cunard's experience at the first Telegraph Cruise Show in London was very rewarding with positive feedback from visitor who were new to cruise as well as those that have sailed Cunard many times.

Liverpool was Cunard’s home for 127 years so the opportunity to be part of a dedicated cruise show that will evoke such strong memories of our history is a really exciting prospect."

Tickets for the show will go on sale in the summer.
Daily Telegraph announces that it will be holding the Telegraph Cruise Show in Liverpool, at the Echo Arena, from October 11th-12th. We are pleased to announce Liverpool as our first regional cruise show. As the birthplace of the first passenger cruise line, with an unrivalled maritime history and a cruise terminal at the heart of the city’s waterfront, Liverpool was an obvious destination for the cruise show. It's not surprising that it was voted Best UK Port of Call at Cruise Critic UK's editor’s pick awards last month. Joe Anderson, Mayor of Liverpool, said: “I am delighted that Liverpool has been selected by the Telegraph as the host city for the very first regional cruise show. Liverpool is renowned for its strong maritime history, and we continue to proudly play an integral role in today’s cruise industry. The cruise sector is hugely important to Liverpool and it is no exaggeration to say the cruise liner terminal has reinvented the city. When it opened in 2007 three cruise ships came to the city and this year we will welcome more than 50.” The Telegraph Cruise Show Liverpool will follow the successful format of the London show featuring: - the leading cruise lines - a stellar line up of talks by celebrities and Telegraph travel journalists - interactive experiences to show what it's really like to be on-board - advice on the most desirable cruise destinations - the latest cruise itineraries and offers Angus Struthers, director at Cunard, said: “Cunard's experience at the first Telegraph Cruise Show in London was very rewarding with positive feedback from visitor who were new to cruise as well as those that have sailed Cunard many times. Liverpool was Cunard’s home for 127 years so the opportunity to be part of a dedicated cruise show that will evoke such strong memories of our history is a really exciting prospect." Tickets for the show will go on sale in the summer. in search of the truth
  • Score: 3

9:15pm Sat 22 Mar 14

loosehead says...

in search of the truth wrote:
Daily Telegraph announces that it will be holding the Telegraph Cruise Show in Liverpool, at the Echo Arena, from October 11th-12th.



We are pleased to announce Liverpool as our first regional cruise show.

As the birthplace of the first passenger cruise line, with an unrivalled maritime history and a cruise terminal at the heart of the city’s waterfront, Liverpool was an obvious destination for the cruise show. It's not surprising that it was voted Best UK Port of Call at Cruise Critic UK's editor’s pick awards last month.

Joe Anderson, Mayor of Liverpool, said: “I am delighted that Liverpool has been selected by the Telegraph as the host city for the very first regional cruise show. Liverpool is renowned for its strong maritime history, and we continue to proudly play an integral role in today’s cruise industry. The cruise sector is hugely important to Liverpool and it is no exaggeration to say the cruise liner terminal has reinvented the city.

When it opened in 2007 three cruise ships came to the city and this year we will welcome more than 50.”

The Telegraph Cruise Show Liverpool will follow the successful format of the London show featuring:

- the leading cruise lines
- a stellar line up of talks by celebrities and Telegraph travel journalists
- interactive experiences to show what it's really like to be on-board
- advice on the most desirable cruise destinations
- the latest cruise itineraries and offers

Angus Struthers, director at Cunard, said: “Cunard's experience at the first Telegraph Cruise Show in London was very rewarding with positive feedback from visitor who were new to cruise as well as those that have sailed Cunard many times.

Liverpool was Cunard’s home for 127 years so the opportunity to be part of a dedicated cruise show that will evoke such strong memories of our history is a really exciting prospect."

Tickets for the show will go on sale in the summer.
I will look forward to seeing that show, I should be up there on the 14thApril with my wife to look at houses & make an offer on one to move there.
[quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: Daily Telegraph announces that it will be holding the Telegraph Cruise Show in Liverpool, at the Echo Arena, from October 11th-12th. We are pleased to announce Liverpool as our first regional cruise show. As the birthplace of the first passenger cruise line, with an unrivalled maritime history and a cruise terminal at the heart of the city’s waterfront, Liverpool was an obvious destination for the cruise show. It's not surprising that it was voted Best UK Port of Call at Cruise Critic UK's editor’s pick awards last month. Joe Anderson, Mayor of Liverpool, said: “I am delighted that Liverpool has been selected by the Telegraph as the host city for the very first regional cruise show. Liverpool is renowned for its strong maritime history, and we continue to proudly play an integral role in today’s cruise industry. The cruise sector is hugely important to Liverpool and it is no exaggeration to say the cruise liner terminal has reinvented the city. When it opened in 2007 three cruise ships came to the city and this year we will welcome more than 50.” The Telegraph Cruise Show Liverpool will follow the successful format of the London show featuring: - the leading cruise lines - a stellar line up of talks by celebrities and Telegraph travel journalists - interactive experiences to show what it's really like to be on-board - advice on the most desirable cruise destinations - the latest cruise itineraries and offers Angus Struthers, director at Cunard, said: “Cunard's experience at the first Telegraph Cruise Show in London was very rewarding with positive feedback from visitor who were new to cruise as well as those that have sailed Cunard many times. Liverpool was Cunard’s home for 127 years so the opportunity to be part of a dedicated cruise show that will evoke such strong memories of our history is a really exciting prospect." Tickets for the show will go on sale in the summer.[/p][/quote]I will look forward to seeing that show, I should be up there on the 14thApril with my wife to look at houses & make an offer on one to move there. loosehead
  • Score: 2

1:11pm Tue 25 Mar 14

AlwynM says...

Looks like the Cunard Building project is underway. This will be an amazing addition.

http://www.liverpool
echo.co.uk/news/live
rpool-news/video-liv
erpool-mayor-anderso
n-gets-6873034
Looks like the Cunard Building project is underway. This will be an amazing addition. http://www.liverpool echo.co.uk/news/live rpool-news/video-liv erpool-mayor-anderso n-gets-6873034 AlwynM
  • Score: 2

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