Plea to avoid Southampton centre when cruise ships dock 'sends wrong message'

Hampshire Chronicle: Plea to avoid city centre 'sends wrong message' Plea to avoid city centre 'sends wrong message'

“IT’S sending out the wrong message.”

That’s the view of politicians and businessmen in Southampton after city council chiefs urged motorists to avoid part of the centre this week.

With two cruise ships due to dock in the city on Thursday, civic chiefs have urged motorists who do not need to come into the centre to avoid it altogether.

They are hoping to avoid the chaotic scenes of recent months when multiple cruise ships arrived and combined with roadworks to leave thousands of motorists gridlocked for hours.

The roadworks are part of a £20m project to widen Platform Road and Town Quay into a dual carriageway.

Labour council transport boss Jacqui Rayment said the council “regretted” disruption to motorists and businesses that will be caught up in the chaos, but that the authority was “doing everything in its power to alleviate the congestion”.

Council bosses say businesses would be worse-off if customers were sat in long traffic jams, and add that the impact on business will be “minimal”.

A number of measures will be implemented to keep traffic moving, such as suspending works at Town Quay eastbound, while drivers have been urged to avoid coming into the city centre from the M271 during the peak time of 11am to 2pm.

But they have been accused of “sending out the wrong message” by Cllr Rayment’s opposite number, Conservative transport spokesman Dan Fitzhenry.

He said: “Telling people not to come to Southampton because the council can’t organise the roads is not right.

“It’s not good for businesses or our reputation if the message is ‘we can’t handle it so don’t come here’.

“The situation should be better because the Itchen Bridge works are completed, but the message is wrong.”

Ian Silsbury, owner of La Esquina restaurant in Oxford Street, said: “Telling people not to come to the city is negative. If you’re going to tell people not to come, why bother having businesses?”

Clive Johnson, taxi driver and chairman of the Southampton Trade Asso-ciation, branded it “stupid”, adding: “Who comes up with these ideas, some bloke in a cobwebbed office?”

Council leader Simon Letts said: “I think business will be affected more if people sit in a traffic queue for long periods. I feel they are then much more likely not to return to the city.”

Comments (38)

Please log in to enable comment sorting

11:14am Tue 11 Mar 14

S Pance says...

Another disaster in Southampton and yet again Jacqui Rayment is involved!!

Remember to vote, people!
Another disaster in Southampton and yet again Jacqui Rayment is involved!! Remember to vote, people! S Pance
  • Score: 13

11:15am Tue 11 Mar 14

S Pance says...

What we need is the Waterside railway re-opening to passengers. This would eliminate a lot of the traffic on the roads.
What we need is the Waterside railway re-opening to passengers. This would eliminate a lot of the traffic on the roads. S Pance
  • Score: 23

11:17am Tue 11 Mar 14

Mugsey2 says...

I think the city centre should be avoided all the time not just thursday its a dump full of beggars benefit blaggers drunks and single mums in leggins. Im not surprised people cant wait to get on the boat and get out of here as fast as they can.
I think the city centre should be avoided all the time not just thursday its a dump full of beggars benefit blaggers drunks and single mums in leggins. Im not surprised people cant wait to get on the boat and get out of here as fast as they can. Mugsey2
  • Score: 21

11:27am Tue 11 Mar 14

The_Fuzz22 says...

Typical Tory, swift to point the finger but notably absent when we ask for a better alternative.
Typical Tory, swift to point the finger but notably absent when we ask for a better alternative. The_Fuzz22
  • Score: 6

11:31am Tue 11 Mar 14

S Pance says...

The_Fuzz22 wrote:
Typical Tory, swift to point the finger but notably absent when we ask for a better alternative.
Who? Me? You'll notice that I *HAVE* given an alternative. Re-open the Waterside Railway to passengers, which will take a lot of the traffic off the road.

In any event no-one has to point the finger. Ms Royment has been involved in disaster after disaster.
[quote][p][bold]The_Fuzz22[/bold] wrote: Typical Tory, swift to point the finger but notably absent when we ask for a better alternative.[/p][/quote]Who? Me? You'll notice that I *HAVE* given an alternative. Re-open the Waterside Railway to passengers, which will take a lot of the traffic off the road. In any event no-one has to point the finger. Ms Royment has been involved in disaster after disaster. S Pance
  • Score: 8

11:32am Tue 11 Mar 14

speedicut says...

Actual council statement below...

"The busiest time is expected to be between 11am and 2pm around the southern part of the city coming in from the M271. If any of your planned journeys to this part of the city are not essential you may wish to avoid these times or come into the city using a different route."
Actual council statement below... "The busiest time is expected to be between 11am and 2pm around the southern part of the city coming in from the M271. If any of your planned journeys to this part of the city are not essential you may wish to avoid these times or come into the city using a different route." speedicut
  • Score: 11

11:47am Tue 11 Mar 14

Lone Ranger. says...

speedicut wrote:
Actual council statement below...

"The busiest time is expected to be between 11am and 2pm around the southern part of the city coming in from the M271. If any of your planned journeys to this part of the city are not essential you may wish to avoid these times or come into the city using a different route."
Trust you to put forward the FACTS ...... dont you know that they get in the way of the habitual moaners having their say ......... yes the very ones that moan when they get stuck in traffic
[quote][p][bold]speedicut[/bold] wrote: Actual council statement below... "The busiest time is expected to be between 11am and 2pm around the southern part of the city coming in from the M271. If any of your planned journeys to this part of the city are not essential you may wish to avoid these times or come into the city using a different route."[/p][/quote]Trust you to put forward the FACTS ...... dont you know that they get in the way of the habitual moaners having their say ......... yes the very ones that moan when they get stuck in traffic Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 2

11:52am Tue 11 Mar 14

Lone Ranger. says...

S Pance wrote:
The_Fuzz22 wrote:
Typical Tory, swift to point the finger but notably absent when we ask for a better alternative.
Who? Me? You'll notice that I *HAVE* given an alternative. Re-open the Waterside Railway to passengers, which will take a lot of the traffic off the road.

In any event no-one has to point the finger. Ms Royment has been involved in disaster after disaster.
When do you want to re-open then ...... on Thursday morning.
.
We have already been told that it is not worth spending the money on it .... or are you now ok with such a massive waste.
.
If you are ok its Hampshire CC that have the say on it.
.
And lets face it how many car drivers are there between 11am to 2pm that come from the Waterside ??
[quote][p][bold]S Pance[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The_Fuzz22[/bold] wrote: Typical Tory, swift to point the finger but notably absent when we ask for a better alternative.[/p][/quote]Who? Me? You'll notice that I *HAVE* given an alternative. Re-open the Waterside Railway to passengers, which will take a lot of the traffic off the road. In any event no-one has to point the finger. Ms Royment has been involved in disaster after disaster.[/p][/quote]When do you want to re-open then ...... on Thursday morning. . We have already been told that it is not worth spending the money on it .... or are you now ok with such a massive waste. . If you are ok its Hampshire CC that have the say on it. . And lets face it how many car drivers are there between 11am to 2pm that come from the Waterside ?? Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -3

12:03pm Tue 11 Mar 14

BeyondImagination says...

Use your bike to come into the city on Thursday. With all traffic crawling along at 5mph it'll be the safest day to cycle. See the upside for once.
Use your bike to come into the city on Thursday. With all traffic crawling along at 5mph it'll be the safest day to cycle. See the upside for once. BeyondImagination
  • Score: -7

12:29pm Tue 11 Mar 14

The_Fuzz22 says...

S Pance wrote:
The_Fuzz22 wrote:
Typical Tory, swift to point the finger but notably absent when we ask for a better alternative.
Who? Me? You'll notice that I *HAVE* given an alternative. Re-open the Waterside Railway to passengers, which will take a lot of the traffic off the road.

In any event no-one has to point the finger. Ms Royment has been involved in disaster after disaster.
Unless you are Dan Fitzhenry - no I was not addressing you.
[quote][p][bold]S Pance[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The_Fuzz22[/bold] wrote: Typical Tory, swift to point the finger but notably absent when we ask for a better alternative.[/p][/quote]Who? Me? You'll notice that I *HAVE* given an alternative. Re-open the Waterside Railway to passengers, which will take a lot of the traffic off the road. In any event no-one has to point the finger. Ms Royment has been involved in disaster after disaster.[/p][/quote]Unless you are Dan Fitzhenry - no I was not addressing you. The_Fuzz22
  • Score: 1

12:30pm Tue 11 Mar 14

S!monOn says...

Mugsey2 wrote:
I think the city centre should be avoided all the time not just thursday its a dump full of beggars benefit blaggers drunks and single mums in leggins. Im not surprised people cant wait to get on the boat and get out of here as fast as they can.
Sounds like you're lost.... are you sure you're not on Shirley High Street?
[quote][p][bold]Mugsey2[/bold] wrote: I think the city centre should be avoided all the time not just thursday its a dump full of beggars benefit blaggers drunks and single mums in leggins. Im not surprised people cant wait to get on the boat and get out of here as fast as they can.[/p][/quote]Sounds like you're lost.... are you sure you're not on Shirley High Street? S!monOn
  • Score: 6

12:41pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Outside of the Box says...

Cllr Rayment may be an excellent ward councillor but as a Cabinet member she is useless.,...it just seems one fiasco after another with her.....we've had the lies from her about William's resignation and two other Councillors leaving the Labour group, also the stupidity of road works almost citywide, it just seems every thing she touches turns to sh1te.
Cllr Rayment may be an excellent ward councillor but as a Cabinet member she is useless.,...it just seems one fiasco after another with her.....we've had the lies from her about William's resignation and two other Councillors leaving the Labour group, also the stupidity of road works almost citywide, it just seems every thing she touches turns to sh1te. Outside of the Box
  • Score: 9

1:06pm Tue 11 Mar 14

loosehead says...

I think what should have been said is if your driving avoid the roads at this part of town.
Come to the city but use alternative routes or you could end up in a traffic jam until the roadworks are finished.
but they didn't they said avoid the city centre
I think what should have been said is if your driving avoid the roads at this part of town. Come to the city but use alternative routes or you could end up in a traffic jam until the roadworks are finished. but they didn't they said avoid the city centre loosehead
  • Score: -2

1:09pm Tue 11 Mar 14

loosehead says...

The_Fuzz22 wrote:
Typical Tory, swift to point the finger but notably absent when we ask for a better alternative.
Funny I gave an Alternative set of routes into that part of town & I'm a Tory!
The warning should have said use Northam Bridge or come in from the west but please if driving avoid these roads if you don't want to be stuck in a jam
[quote][p][bold]The_Fuzz22[/bold] wrote: Typical Tory, swift to point the finger but notably absent when we ask for a better alternative.[/p][/quote]Funny I gave an Alternative set of routes into that part of town & I'm a Tory! The warning should have said use Northam Bridge or come in from the west but please if driving avoid these roads if you don't want to be stuck in a jam loosehead
  • Score: 2

1:24pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Harold K Steptoe says...

Mugsey2 wrote:
I think the city centre should be avoided all the time not just thursday its a dump full of beggars benefit blaggers drunks and single mums in leggins. Im not surprised people cant wait to get on the boat and get out of here as fast as they can.
Same as that, couldn't care if I never go there again, you need to speak Polish to by there........
[quote][p][bold]Mugsey2[/bold] wrote: I think the city centre should be avoided all the time not just thursday its a dump full of beggars benefit blaggers drunks and single mums in leggins. Im not surprised people cant wait to get on the boat and get out of here as fast as they can.[/p][/quote]Same as that, couldn't care if I never go there again, you need to speak Polish to by there........ Harold K Steptoe
  • Score: 10

1:29pm Tue 11 Mar 14

arizonan says...

Liverpool is the answer, stop the out of date commute to and from Southampton, a place that obviously cannot cope.
Liverpool is the answer, stop the out of date commute to and from Southampton, a place that obviously cannot cope. arizonan
  • Score: -2

1:53pm Tue 11 Mar 14

good-gosh says...

The city needs more roads and a simple solution would be a dedicated overhead highway from the M271 to the cruise terminals, the IOW ferry and West Quay centre, leaving existing roads to exit the city and for local circulation. Plan it, cost it, beg the cash from Westminster and build it.
The city needs more roads and a simple solution would be a dedicated overhead highway from the M271 to the cruise terminals, the IOW ferry and West Quay centre, leaving existing roads to exit the city and for local circulation. Plan it, cost it, beg the cash from Westminster and build it. good-gosh
  • Score: 7

2:49pm Tue 11 Mar 14

mercrocker says...

I have been avoiding Southampton City as a whole since 1998....Haven't missed it yet. West Quay was the nail in the coffin for me.
I have been avoiding Southampton City as a whole since 1998....Haven't missed it yet. West Quay was the nail in the coffin for me. mercrocker
  • Score: 8

3:31pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Bassett-Mikey says...

leggins????
leggins???? Bassett-Mikey
  • Score: 1

4:38pm Tue 11 Mar 14

LadySam says...

I avoid the City Centre whenever possible anyway, not just on cruise days. It's a dump.
I avoid the City Centre whenever possible anyway, not just on cruise days. It's a dump. LadySam
  • Score: 5

4:56pm Tue 11 Mar 14

in search of the truth says...

arizonan wrote:
Liverpool is the answer, stop the out of date commute to and from Southampton, a place that obviously cannot cope.
You might not have any need to send the cruise ships to Liverpool or for that matter any other port.
Passengers will just not bother to go through all the messing about of getting to Southampton and force the cruise lines to disperse cruises across the nations ports.
If the road improvements do ease the traffic problems in Southampton , then one thing is certain. The cruise passengers will be able to get in and out of Southampton faster than a bat out of hell and will spend even less time and money within the confines of Southampton.
[quote][p][bold]arizonan[/bold] wrote: Liverpool is the answer, stop the out of date commute to and from Southampton, a place that obviously cannot cope.[/p][/quote]You might not have any need to send the cruise ships to Liverpool or for that matter any other port. Passengers will just not bother to go through all the messing about of getting to Southampton and force the cruise lines to disperse cruises across the nations ports. If the road improvements do ease the traffic problems in Southampton , then one thing is certain. The cruise passengers will be able to get in and out of Southampton faster than a bat out of hell and will spend even less time and money within the confines of Southampton. in search of the truth
  • Score: 7

6:37pm Tue 11 Mar 14

BeyondImagination says...

The council needs to spend a few hundred thousand on a PR Guru to get the wording right. It's the way you tell 'em.
The council needs to spend a few hundred thousand on a PR Guru to get the wording right. It's the way you tell 'em. BeyondImagination
  • Score: 0

7:07pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Turtlebay says...

I would love not having to come into Southampton and driving through the road works and getting stuck in your delays.

Please tell me though, how do you expect large building projects such as the towers at Admiral's Quay to be supplied with sufficient building materials if we have to keep avoiding your city because the operators of ocean liners cannot synchronise their incomings and outgoings to benefit the city port they use?
I would love not having to come into Southampton and driving through the road works and getting stuck in your delays. Please tell me though, how do you expect large building projects such as the towers at Admiral's Quay to be supplied with sufficient building materials if we have to keep avoiding your city because the operators of ocean liners cannot synchronise their incomings and outgoings to benefit the city port they use? Turtlebay
  • Score: 4

8:03pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Turtlebay says...

The builders at Admiral's Quay (Warings) have ordered us to deliver to them 5 pallets between 10.15am and 11.00am on Wednesday and the same on Thursday. Likewise two orders a week until next Xmas.

Are we to turn down this contract worth hundreds of thousands of pounds to our small business because Balfour Beatty cannot do their work without causing massive congestion for months on end?
The builders at Admiral's Quay (Warings) have ordered us to deliver to them 5 pallets between 10.15am and 11.00am on Wednesday and the same on Thursday. Likewise two orders a week until next Xmas. Are we to turn down this contract worth hundreds of thousands of pounds to our small business because Balfour Beatty cannot do their work without causing massive congestion for months on end? Turtlebay
  • Score: 1

9:18pm Tue 11 Mar 14

arizonan says...

Liverpool Echo 11th March 2014 1934,
'Liverpool wins cruise battle with Southampton over EU Grant'

EU votes for Liverpool , in Southampton's attempt to force Liverpool to repay EU Grant towards the building of the Liverpool Cruise Pier.

'The Commission concluded that the project is in line with Article 107{3}{c} of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union {TFEU} which allows state aid for the development of certain economic activities, provided that it does not unduly affect trade and competition in the single market.'
Liverpool Echo 11th March 2014 1934, 'Liverpool wins cruise battle with Southampton over EU Grant' EU votes for Liverpool , in Southampton's attempt to force Liverpool to repay EU Grant towards the building of the Liverpool Cruise Pier. 'The Commission concluded that the project is in line with Article 107{3}{c} of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union {TFEU} which allows state aid for the development of certain economic activities, provided that it does not unduly affect trade and competition in the single market.' arizonan
  • Score: 1

9:22pm Tue 11 Mar 14

loosehead says...

Turtlebay wrote:
The builders at Admiral's Quay (Warings) have ordered us to deliver to them 5 pallets between 10.15am and 11.00am on Wednesday and the same on Thursday. Likewise two orders a week until next Xmas.

Are we to turn down this contract worth hundreds of thousands of pounds to our small business because Balfour Beatty cannot do their work without causing massive congestion for months on end?
I drive into town three times a week,Monday,Wednesda
y & Friday I come in at 07.00hrs along Millbrook road or down Shirley High Street up until about 08.00hrs these roads aren't to bad & Shirley is dead. After 09.00hrs Millbrook road isn't to bad so why if you come in from the east don't you skirt around the city & come in from Millbrook road?
I've driven right up to dock gate ten & the roads been dead but then hit's a bottle neck past the Royal pier but even that doesn't take that long to get to admirals quay from there so how's it the cruise ships fault when we had seven ships in 5 were in the new docks & no problems were caused it's the roadworks & the people who could come across Northam bridge & get to their destinations with out going to that part of town that's causing the chaos.
I lived in Weston for about 3months & got a bus to my gym which was in Shirley at 08.30hours The traffic build up at the Itchen Bridge was terrible I saw people driving their cars from Woolston to town ?
But once over the bridge & we reached dock gate 4 the traffic was easy so exactly what is causing this trouble as there were ships in but no problems at that dock gate?
[quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: The builders at Admiral's Quay (Warings) have ordered us to deliver to them 5 pallets between 10.15am and 11.00am on Wednesday and the same on Thursday. Likewise two orders a week until next Xmas. Are we to turn down this contract worth hundreds of thousands of pounds to our small business because Balfour Beatty cannot do their work without causing massive congestion for months on end?[/p][/quote]I drive into town three times a week,Monday,Wednesda y & Friday I come in at 07.00hrs along Millbrook road or down Shirley High Street up until about 08.00hrs these roads aren't to bad & Shirley is dead. After 09.00hrs Millbrook road isn't to bad so why if you come in from the east don't you skirt around the city & come in from Millbrook road? I've driven right up to dock gate ten & the roads been dead but then hit's a bottle neck past the Royal pier but even that doesn't take that long to get to admirals quay from there so how's it the cruise ships fault when we had seven ships in 5 were in the new docks & no problems were caused it's the roadworks & the people who could come across Northam bridge & get to their destinations with out going to that part of town that's causing the chaos. I lived in Weston for about 3months & got a bus to my gym which was in Shirley at 08.30hours The traffic build up at the Itchen Bridge was terrible I saw people driving their cars from Woolston to town ? But once over the bridge & we reached dock gate 4 the traffic was easy so exactly what is causing this trouble as there were ships in but no problems at that dock gate? loosehead
  • Score: 0

9:23pm Tue 11 Mar 14

loosehead says...

Turtlebay wrote:
The builders at Admiral's Quay (Warings) have ordered us to deliver to them 5 pallets between 10.15am and 11.00am on Wednesday and the same on Thursday. Likewise two orders a week until next Xmas.

Are we to turn down this contract worth hundreds of thousands of pounds to our small business because Balfour Beatty cannot do their work without causing massive congestion for months on end?
I drive into town three times a week,Monday,Wednesda
y & Friday I come in at 07.00hrs along Millbrook road or down Shirley High Street up until about 08.00hrs these roads aren't to bad & Shirley is dead. After 09.00hrs Millbrook road isn't to bad so why if you come in from the east don't you skirt around the city & come in from Millbrook road?
I've driven right up to dock gate ten & the roads been dead but then hit's a bottle neck past the Royal pier but even that doesn't take that long to get to admirals quay from there so how's it the cruise ships fault when we had seven ships in 5 were in the new docks & no problems were caused it's the roadworks & the people who could come across Northam bridge & get to their destinations with out going to that part of town that's causing the chaos.
I lived in Weston for about 3months & got a bus to my gym which was in Shirley at 08.30hours The traffic build up at the Itchen Bridge was terrible I saw people driving their cars from Woolston to town ?
But once over the bridge & we reached dock gate 4 the traffic was easy so exactly what is causing this trouble as there were ships in but no problems at that dock gate?
[quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: The builders at Admiral's Quay (Warings) have ordered us to deliver to them 5 pallets between 10.15am and 11.00am on Wednesday and the same on Thursday. Likewise two orders a week until next Xmas. Are we to turn down this contract worth hundreds of thousands of pounds to our small business because Balfour Beatty cannot do their work without causing massive congestion for months on end?[/p][/quote]I drive into town three times a week,Monday,Wednesda y & Friday I come in at 07.00hrs along Millbrook road or down Shirley High Street up until about 08.00hrs these roads aren't to bad & Shirley is dead. After 09.00hrs Millbrook road isn't to bad so why if you come in from the east don't you skirt around the city & come in from Millbrook road? I've driven right up to dock gate ten & the roads been dead but then hit's a bottle neck past the Royal pier but even that doesn't take that long to get to admirals quay from there so how's it the cruise ships fault when we had seven ships in 5 were in the new docks & no problems were caused it's the roadworks & the people who could come across Northam bridge & get to their destinations with out going to that part of town that's causing the chaos. I lived in Weston for about 3months & got a bus to my gym which was in Shirley at 08.30hours The traffic build up at the Itchen Bridge was terrible I saw people driving their cars from Woolston to town ? But once over the bridge & we reached dock gate 4 the traffic was easy so exactly what is causing this trouble as there were ships in but no problems at that dock gate? loosehead
  • Score: 0

9:26pm Tue 11 Mar 14

loosehead says...

arizonan wrote:
Liverpool Echo 11th March 2014 1934,
'Liverpool wins cruise battle with Southampton over EU Grant'

EU votes for Liverpool , in Southampton's attempt to force Liverpool to repay EU Grant towards the building of the Liverpool Cruise Pier.

'The Commission concluded that the project is in line with Article 107{3}{c} of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union {TFEU} which allows state aid for the development of certain economic activities, provided that it does not unduly affect trade and competition in the single market.'
again why do you fail to mention all the ports that opposed your lies to get these grants?
[quote][p][bold]arizonan[/bold] wrote: Liverpool Echo 11th March 2014 1934, 'Liverpool wins cruise battle with Southampton over EU Grant' EU votes for Liverpool , in Southampton's attempt to force Liverpool to repay EU Grant towards the building of the Liverpool Cruise Pier. 'The Commission concluded that the project is in line with Article 107{3}{c} of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union {TFEU} which allows state aid for the development of certain economic activities, provided that it does not unduly affect trade and competition in the single market.'[/p][/quote]again why do you fail to mention all the ports that opposed your lies to get these grants? loosehead
  • Score: -1

9:26pm Tue 11 Mar 14

loosehead says...

arizonan wrote:
Liverpool Echo 11th March 2014 1934,
'Liverpool wins cruise battle with Southampton over EU Grant'

EU votes for Liverpool , in Southampton's attempt to force Liverpool to repay EU Grant towards the building of the Liverpool Cruise Pier.

'The Commission concluded that the project is in line with Article 107{3}{c} of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union {TFEU} which allows state aid for the development of certain economic activities, provided that it does not unduly affect trade and competition in the single market.'
again why do you fail to mention all the ports that opposed your lies to get these grants?
[quote][p][bold]arizonan[/bold] wrote: Liverpool Echo 11th March 2014 1934, 'Liverpool wins cruise battle with Southampton over EU Grant' EU votes for Liverpool , in Southampton's attempt to force Liverpool to repay EU Grant towards the building of the Liverpool Cruise Pier. 'The Commission concluded that the project is in line with Article 107{3}{c} of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union {TFEU} which allows state aid for the development of certain economic activities, provided that it does not unduly affect trade and competition in the single market.'[/p][/quote]again why do you fail to mention all the ports that opposed your lies to get these grants? loosehead
  • Score: -3

9:31pm Tue 11 Mar 14

arizonan says...

Come off it, it was Southampton who was the instigator of the opposition to Liverpool, backed by the Southern Echo, chamber of commerce, etc,, etc.
Come off it, it was Southampton who was the instigator of the opposition to Liverpool, backed by the Southern Echo, chamber of commerce, etc,, etc. arizonan
  • Score: 2

11:38pm Tue 11 Mar 14

WoolstonSean says...

Can we not all agree on one thing, the fact that Liverpool now has a turn around facility has no affect on the cruise operation from Southampton not now not ever, no way will the major cruise operators have a presence in Liverpool as they currently have in Southampton, it just won't happen regardless of what anyone assumes on here or in Liverpool.
Can we not all agree on one thing, the fact that Liverpool now has a turn around facility has no affect on the cruise operation from Southampton not now not ever, no way will the major cruise operators have a presence in Liverpool as they currently have in Southampton, it just won't happen regardless of what anyone assumes on here or in Liverpool. WoolstonSean
  • Score: -1

11:46pm Tue 11 Mar 14

WoolstonSean says...

mercrocker wrote:
I have been avoiding Southampton City as a whole since 1998....Haven't missed it yet. West Quay was the nail in the coffin for me.
Southampton hasn't missed you either, and with regards to 'nail in the coffin for me' statement how can you possibly condemn the West Quay Centre which has boosted the economy of Southampton in so many ways and has totally changed the fortunes of the city centre. Your money is not needed so stay away for another 16 years+.
[quote][p][bold]mercrocker[/bold] wrote: I have been avoiding Southampton City as a whole since 1998....Haven't missed it yet. West Quay was the nail in the coffin for me.[/p][/quote]Southampton hasn't missed you either, and with regards to 'nail in the coffin for me' statement how can you possibly condemn the West Quay Centre which has boosted the economy of Southampton in so many ways and has totally changed the fortunes of the city centre. Your money is not needed so stay away for another 16 years+. WoolstonSean
  • Score: 1

12:09am Wed 12 Mar 14

in search of the truth says...

loosehead wrote:
arizonan wrote:
Liverpool Echo 11th March 2014 1934,
'Liverpool wins cruise battle with Southampton over EU Grant'

EU votes for Liverpool , in Southampton's attempt to force Liverpool to repay EU Grant towards the building of the Liverpool Cruise Pier.

'The Commission concluded that the project is in line with Article 107{3}{c} of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union {TFEU} which allows state aid for the development of certain economic activities, provided that it does not unduly affect trade and competition in the single market.'
again why do you fail to mention all the ports that opposed your lies to get these grants?
Why oh why do you always seem to double post everything. do you do it deliberately or are you incapable of using your computer properly ?
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arizonan[/bold] wrote: Liverpool Echo 11th March 2014 1934, 'Liverpool wins cruise battle with Southampton over EU Grant' EU votes for Liverpool , in Southampton's attempt to force Liverpool to repay EU Grant towards the building of the Liverpool Cruise Pier. 'The Commission concluded that the project is in line with Article 107{3}{c} of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union {TFEU} which allows state aid for the development of certain economic activities, provided that it does not unduly affect trade and competition in the single market.'[/p][/quote]again why do you fail to mention all the ports that opposed your lies to get these grants?[/p][/quote]Why oh why do you always seem to double post everything. do you do it deliberately or are you incapable of using your computer properly ? in search of the truth
  • Score: 2

7:09am Wed 12 Mar 14

skeptik says...

mercrocker wrote:
I have been avoiding Southampton City as a whole since 1998....Haven't missed it yet. West Quay was the nail in the coffin for me. Rather expecting from you - 'as a hole' -ach well!
mercrocker wrote: I have been avoiding Southampton City as a whole since 1998....Haven't missed it yet. West Quay was the nail in the coffin for me. Rather expecting from you - 'as a hole' -ach well! skeptik
  • Score: -1

9:59am Wed 12 Mar 14

Beer Monster says...

Yes, this is the wrong message - people should come to Southampton, but via alternative modes of transport. If you want to drive in, then be prepared for the worst. It's not rocket science - you get the same on match days whilst there's cruise ship activity or during the boat show...

At least something is being done about the congestion, that's all I can say.
Yes, this is the wrong message - people should come to Southampton, but via alternative modes of transport. If you want to drive in, then be prepared for the worst. It's not rocket science - you get the same on match days whilst there's cruise ship activity or during the boat show... At least something is being done about the congestion, that's all I can say. Beer Monster
  • Score: 0

12:14pm Wed 12 Mar 14

loosehead says...

in search of the truth wrote:
loosehead wrote:
arizonan wrote:
Liverpool Echo 11th March 2014 1934,
'Liverpool wins cruise battle with Southampton over EU Grant'

EU votes for Liverpool , in Southampton's attempt to force Liverpool to repay EU Grant towards the building of the Liverpool Cruise Pier.

'The Commission concluded that the project is in line with Article 107{3}{c} of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union {TFEU} which allows state aid for the development of certain economic activities, provided that it does not unduly affect trade and competition in the single market.'
again why do you fail to mention all the ports that opposed your lies to get these grants?
Why oh why do you always seem to double post everything. do you do it deliberately or are you incapable of using your computer properly ?
if you were a regular poster you'd know this isn't usually the fault of the person typing the post but this website & I do apologise for doubling up.
Oh I've passed an ECDL course European Computer Driving License ever heard of it?
[quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arizonan[/bold] wrote: Liverpool Echo 11th March 2014 1934, 'Liverpool wins cruise battle with Southampton over EU Grant' EU votes for Liverpool , in Southampton's attempt to force Liverpool to repay EU Grant towards the building of the Liverpool Cruise Pier. 'The Commission concluded that the project is in line with Article 107{3}{c} of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union {TFEU} which allows state aid for the development of certain economic activities, provided that it does not unduly affect trade and competition in the single market.'[/p][/quote]again why do you fail to mention all the ports that opposed your lies to get these grants?[/p][/quote]Why oh why do you always seem to double post everything. do you do it deliberately or are you incapable of using your computer properly ?[/p][/quote]if you were a regular poster you'd know this isn't usually the fault of the person typing the post but this website & I do apologise for doubling up. Oh I've passed an ECDL course European Computer Driving License ever heard of it? loosehead
  • Score: 0

3:35pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Datarater says...

S Pance wrote:
What we need is the Waterside railway re-opening to passengers. This would eliminate a lot of the traffic on the roads.
It's time Southampton annexed the Waterside.
[quote][p][bold]S Pance[/bold] wrote: What we need is the Waterside railway re-opening to passengers. This would eliminate a lot of the traffic on the roads.[/p][/quote]It's time Southampton annexed the Waterside. Datarater
  • Score: 0

5:17pm Thu 13 Mar 14

loosehead says...

Datarater wrote:
S Pance wrote:
What we need is the Waterside railway re-opening to passengers. This would eliminate a lot of the traffic on the roads.
It's time Southampton annexed the Waterside.
Build a tunnel under the river starting at Dibden coming out say at Town Quay ,Tube trains running along it whilst they park their cars at Dibden can you see the uproar about more traffic?
[quote][p][bold]Datarater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S Pance[/bold] wrote: What we need is the Waterside railway re-opening to passengers. This would eliminate a lot of the traffic on the roads.[/p][/quote]It's time Southampton annexed the Waterside.[/p][/quote]Build a tunnel under the river starting at Dibden coming out say at Town Quay ,Tube trains running along it whilst they park their cars at Dibden can you see the uproar about more traffic? loosehead
  • Score: 0

Comments are closed on this article.

click2find

About cookies

We want you to enjoy your visit to our website. That's why we use cookies to enhance your experience. By staying on our website you agree to our use of cookies. Find out more about the cookies we use.

I agree