Fighting talk over Merseyside container port plan from Southampton

Part of Southampton Docks

Part of Southampton Docks

First published in Hampshire Business Hampshire Chronicle: Photograph of the Author by , Education Reporter

THEY have already tried to pinch our cruise ships, but now Liverpool is attempting to muscle in on Southampton’s commercial port business.

But the head of Southampton docks last night said he believes the city is well placed to survive any new challenge from a £300m deep water container terminal on the River Mersey.

Plans for a major expansion of the north west port’s freighthandling facilities look set to get the go-ahead next month, after the deadline for complaints about the scheme passed last week.

Bosses at Peel Ports, which owns the facility, believe an extension allowing larger ships to load and unload on Merseyside will be a “game changer”

and enable Liverpool to try to entice business away from south east docks like Southampton.

Liverpool would be able to handle up to 2m containers a year, compared to the 664,000 it attracted in 2011 – much less than half the 1,590,000 which came through Southampton, the second busiest port in Britain after Felixstowe.

If the green light for dredging the Mersey is granted by the Marine Management Organisation next month, Peel Ports hopes the new facility would open in 2015.

The firm said it believes Liverpool’s geographical position will make it attractive to customers looking to reduce reliance on transporting goods around the country by road or rail.

It is expected that only a few of the giant super-ships would be diverted from ports like Southampton, with smaller feeder services potentially being used to take goods on to Liverpool rather than on-land carriers.

But it comes as the market for container business is already about to become significantly more competitive, with the huge £1.5 billion London Gateway set to open next year with the ability to handle 3.5m containers.

But Southampton port director Doug Morrison said last night he believes Southampton will continue to flourish, and insisted he is not upset by Liverpool’s latest expansion.

It comes just months after the “Cruise Wars” row over the move to use city’s publicly-funded new £21m cruise terminal to tout for lucrative business from Southampton’s private docks, but Mr Morrison said this venture is completely different.

“As long as there’s no public money involved we can’t have any complaints, so good luck to them,” he said.

“It’s a market that when the London Gateway comes on stream next year will have excess capacity, so that will increase the competitiveness.

“I was in the Far East last week in Hong Kong, Singapore and Korea, talking to the container lines and without doubt they are very happy with the service they get in Southampton.”

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4:43pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Stillness says...

The Echo are sounding more and more like Apple every day. You want to keep the trade? Stay competitive. It's not that complicated is it?
The Echo are sounding more and more like Apple every day. You want to keep the trade? Stay competitive. It's not that complicated is it? Stillness
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4:51pm Wed 14 Nov 12

phil maccavity says...

Surely this is a non story and only serves to perpetuate the media induced bad feeling between Soton & Liverpool.
The Soton Port boss says that he welcomes fair competition on the container trade.
Most industryexperts reckon that development of London Gateway will be more of a challenge to Soton than Liverpool
The Cruise situation is somewhat different because of the outstanding EC grant funding issue in Liverpool and the duplicitous behaviour of their Mayor and City Council.
Surely this is a non story and only serves to perpetuate the media induced bad feeling between Soton & Liverpool. The Soton Port boss says that he welcomes fair competition on the container trade. Most industryexperts reckon that development of London Gateway will be more of a challenge to Soton than Liverpool The Cruise situation is somewhat different because of the outstanding EC grant funding issue in Liverpool and the duplicitous behaviour of their Mayor and City Council. phil maccavity
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5:08pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Stillness says...

Duplicitous, Mayor and Council. A threesome made in Heaven lol.
Duplicitous, Mayor and Council. A threesome made in Heaven lol. Stillness
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5:34pm Wed 14 Nov 12

kingnotail says...

That's capitalism, folks!
That's capitalism, folks! kingnotail
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6:14pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Bagamn says...

They had a good shipping import business in the sixties and seventies. The dockies boycotted the use of containers and the contractor pulled out of the business. They are their own worst enemies regarding working practices.
They had a good shipping import business in the sixties and seventies. The dockies boycotted the use of containers and the contractor pulled out of the business. They are their own worst enemies regarding working practices. Bagamn
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6:48pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Stillness says...

Bagamn wrote:
They had a good shipping import business in the sixties and seventies. The dockies boycotted the use of containers and the contractor pulled out of the business. They are their own worst enemies regarding working practices.
Who is "they"?
[quote][p][bold]Bagamn[/bold] wrote: They had a good shipping import business in the sixties and seventies. The dockies boycotted the use of containers and the contractor pulled out of the business. They are their own worst enemies regarding working practices.[/p][/quote]Who is "they"? Stillness
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8:55pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Just another reader says...

If Liverpool can match our current throughput and turn around times we will have no argument if they pinch our trade. However, I'm not worried because we at DP World are pulling in the right direction and breaking records as we go.
If Liverpool can match our current throughput and turn around times we will have no argument if they pinch our trade. However, I'm not worried because we at DP World are pulling in the right direction and breaking records as we go. Just another reader
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9:32pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Proud from LIVERPOOL says...

With the developments of the London Gateway and The Port of Liverpool Master Plan.


The port of Southampton should be very, very worried

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With the developments of the London Gateway and The Port of Liverpool Master Plan. The port of Southampton should be very, very worried http://www.merseydoc ks.co.uk/ http://www.merseydoc ks.co.uk/ Proud from LIVERPOOL
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9:42pm Wed 14 Nov 12

loosehead says...

phil maccavity wrote:
Surely this is a non story and only serves to perpetuate the media induced bad feeling between Soton & Liverpool.
The Soton Port boss says that he welcomes fair competition on the container trade.
Most industryexperts reckon that development of London Gateway will be more of a challenge to Soton than Liverpool
The Cruise situation is somewhat different because of the outstanding EC grant funding issue in Liverpool and the duplicitous behaviour of their Mayor and City Council.
Phil who paid to dredge the Mersey?
As if I remember correctly wasn't it government money?
The only difference between the dredging & the Cruise Terminal was they actually said it was for dredging so thats why Southampton aren't complaing.
What will happen when Avonmouth's new container facility comes on line
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: Surely this is a non story and only serves to perpetuate the media induced bad feeling between Soton & Liverpool. The Soton Port boss says that he welcomes fair competition on the container trade. Most industryexperts reckon that development of London Gateway will be more of a challenge to Soton than Liverpool The Cruise situation is somewhat different because of the outstanding EC grant funding issue in Liverpool and the duplicitous behaviour of their Mayor and City Council.[/p][/quote]Phil who paid to dredge the Mersey? As if I remember correctly wasn't it government money? The only difference between the dredging & the Cruise Terminal was they actually said it was for dredging so thats why Southampton aren't complaing. What will happen when Avonmouth's new container facility comes on line loosehead
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11:14pm Wed 14 Nov 12

phil maccavity says...

I recollect that Sefton Council (which covers the Bootle area of Liverpool in which the Liverpool/Seaforth Docks lie,) obtained a £35m grant to pay towards the Dredge of the Mersey for the Liverpool 2 container scheme.
According to media reports this has upset a number of UK ports but Soton seem to have kept their powder dry on this as there was no duplicity on the grant application.
Avonmouth Container terminal has reportedly been put on hold awaiting 'customer demand'
I recollect that Sefton Council (which covers the Bootle area of Liverpool in which the Liverpool/Seaforth Docks lie,) obtained a £35m grant to pay towards the Dredge of the Mersey for the Liverpool 2 container scheme. According to media reports this has upset a number of UK ports but Soton seem to have kept their powder dry on this as there was no duplicity on the grant application. Avonmouth Container terminal has reportedly been put on hold awaiting 'customer demand' phil maccavity
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12:28am Thu 15 Nov 12

scattymal says...

Well I've just registered so that I can add my ten penny worth. If Dibden Bay had been allowed to go through So'ton Container terminal would have been a lot bigger and up and running by now. There would have been more jobs for the waterside (what do we have over there now a refinery an incinerator and an army base just about to shut up shop along with the power station). Liverpool wouldn't be getting a look in. Who got to build another container terminal at the time Dibden Bay was stopped, Teesport and whose constituencies happen to be up that way Blair's and Prescott's. Enough said.
Well I've just registered so that I can add my ten penny worth. If Dibden Bay had been allowed to go through So'ton Container terminal would have been a lot bigger and up and running by now. There would have been more jobs for the waterside (what do we have over there now a refinery an incinerator and an army base just about to shut up shop along with the power station). Liverpool wouldn't be getting a look in. Who got to build another container terminal at the time Dibden Bay was stopped, Teesport and whose constituencies happen to be up that way Blair's and Prescott's. Enough said. scattymal
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6:47am Thu 15 Nov 12

loosehead says...

scattymal wrote:
Well I've just registered so that I can add my ten penny worth. If Dibden Bay had been allowed to go through So'ton Container terminal would have been a lot bigger and up and running by now. There would have been more jobs for the waterside (what do we have over there now a refinery an incinerator and an army base just about to shut up shop along with the power station). Liverpool wouldn't be getting a look in. Who got to build another container terminal at the time Dibden Bay was stopped, Teesport and whose constituencies happen to be up that way Blair's and Prescott's. Enough said.
But the waterside didn't want the container port according to Cllr Harrison & the Anti Dibden bay group.
It's about time those who want it made themselves heard & maybe stood for local council then when elected start talks with DP World/ABP.
But be aware Hythe Marina residents will be upset OH! wasn't that built on part of the so called nature reserve?
[quote][p][bold]scattymal[/bold] wrote: Well I've just registered so that I can add my ten penny worth. If Dibden Bay had been allowed to go through So'ton Container terminal would have been a lot bigger and up and running by now. There would have been more jobs for the waterside (what do we have over there now a refinery an incinerator and an army base just about to shut up shop along with the power station). Liverpool wouldn't be getting a look in. Who got to build another container terminal at the time Dibden Bay was stopped, Teesport and whose constituencies happen to be up that way Blair's and Prescott's. Enough said.[/p][/quote]But the waterside didn't want the container port according to Cllr Harrison & the Anti Dibden bay group. It's about time those who want it made themselves heard & maybe stood for local council then when elected start talks with DP World/ABP. But be aware Hythe Marina residents will be upset OH! wasn't that built on part of the so called nature reserve? loosehead
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6:54am Thu 15 Nov 12

loosehead says...

phil maccavity wrote:
I recollect that Sefton Council (which covers the Bootle area of Liverpool in which the Liverpool/Seaforth Docks lie,) obtained a £35m grant to pay towards the Dredge of the Mersey for the Liverpool 2 container scheme.
According to media reports this has upset a number of UK ports but Soton seem to have kept their powder dry on this as there was no duplicity on the grant application.
Avonmouth Container terminal has reportedly been put on hold awaiting 'customer demand'
Phil I've just watched a program about empty homes.
In Liverpool the council has taken the money the Government has provided to council to refurbish old properties & used it to knock them down.
Joe Anderson was walking around such an area when several people stopped him & told him they & many others all whose names they had wanted to buy these victorian houses & refurbish them to live in & this was two large estates .
His answer was there wasn't enough of them the Lady & others hotly denied this but he just walked away.
Then it was announced he'd( council) had sold one of the estates to a private developer for millions?
He doesn't give a **** for his voters or the normal citizens of Liverpool.
Maybe this is how he's paying off the grant?
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: I recollect that Sefton Council (which covers the Bootle area of Liverpool in which the Liverpool/Seaforth Docks lie,) obtained a £35m grant to pay towards the Dredge of the Mersey for the Liverpool 2 container scheme. According to media reports this has upset a number of UK ports but Soton seem to have kept their powder dry on this as there was no duplicity on the grant application. Avonmouth Container terminal has reportedly been put on hold awaiting 'customer demand'[/p][/quote]Phil I've just watched a program about empty homes. In Liverpool the council has taken the money the Government has provided to council to refurbish old properties & used it to knock them down. Joe Anderson was walking around such an area when several people stopped him & told him they & many others all whose names they had wanted to buy these victorian houses & refurbish them to live in & this was two large estates . His answer was there wasn't enough of them the Lady & others hotly denied this but he just walked away. Then it was announced he'd( council) had sold one of the estates to a private developer for millions? He doesn't give a **** for his voters or the normal citizens of Liverpool. Maybe this is how he's paying off the grant? loosehead
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8:01am Thu 15 Nov 12

scattymal says...

loosehead. I would like to be a councillor and get Dibden Bay up and running but being in the Merchant navy and being away 50% of the year wouldn't be good for the area. I also wrote to our MP, who by the way was against Dibden Bay, telling him he was talking a load of rubbish, but got no reply. I can see he's interested in jobs on the Waterside. Next time Dibden Bay will be built I'm sure. How can you stop people building on land that they own because of a worm that comes out every 20 years. A friend of mine who was the environmental liason officer for HCC told me there wasn't anything in Dibden Bay that wouldn't have naturally relocated it self. unlike the people of Hythe Marina.
loosehead. I would like to be a councillor and get Dibden Bay up and running but being in the Merchant navy and being away 50% of the year wouldn't be good for the area. I also wrote to our MP, who by the way was against Dibden Bay, telling him he was talking a load of rubbish, but got no reply. I can see he's interested in jobs on the Waterside. Next time Dibden Bay will be built I'm sure. How can you stop people building on land that they own because of a worm that comes out every 20 years. A friend of mine who was the environmental liason officer for HCC told me there wasn't anything in Dibden Bay that wouldn't have naturally relocated it self. unlike the people of Hythe Marina. scattymal
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8:02am Thu 15 Nov 12

scattymal says...

loosehead wrote:
scattymal wrote:
Well I've just registered so that I can add my ten penny worth. If Dibden Bay had been allowed to go through So'ton Container terminal would have been a lot bigger and up and running by now. There would have been more jobs for the waterside (what do we have over there now a refinery an incinerator and an army base just about to shut up shop along with the power station). Liverpool wouldn't be getting a look in. Who got to build another container terminal at the time Dibden Bay was stopped, Teesport and whose constituencies happen to be up that way Blair's and Prescott's. Enough said.
But the waterside didn't want the container port according to Cllr Harrison & the Anti Dibden bay group.
It's about time those who want it made themselves heard & maybe stood for local council then when elected start talks with DP World/ABP.
But be aware Hythe Marina residents will be upset OH! wasn't that built on part of the so called nature reserve?
loosehead. I would like to be a councillor and get Dibden Bay up and running but being in the Merchant navy and being away 50% of the year wouldn't be good for the area. I also wrote to our MP, who by the way was against Dibden Bay, telling him he was talking a load of rubbish, but got no reply. I can see he's interested in jobs on the Waterside. Next time Dibden Bay will be built I'm sure. How can you stop people building on land that they own because of a worm that comes out every 20 years. A friend of mine who was the environmental liason officer for HCC told me there wasn't anything in Dibden Bay that wouldn't have naturally relocated it self. unlike the people of Hythe Mari
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scattymal[/bold] wrote: Well I've just registered so that I can add my ten penny worth. If Dibden Bay had been allowed to go through So'ton Container terminal would have been a lot bigger and up and running by now. There would have been more jobs for the waterside (what do we have over there now a refinery an incinerator and an army base just about to shut up shop along with the power station). Liverpool wouldn't be getting a look in. Who got to build another container terminal at the time Dibden Bay was stopped, Teesport and whose constituencies happen to be up that way Blair's and Prescott's. Enough said.[/p][/quote]But the waterside didn't want the container port according to Cllr Harrison & the Anti Dibden bay group. It's about time those who want it made themselves heard & maybe stood for local council then when elected start talks with DP World/ABP. But be aware Hythe Marina residents will be upset OH! wasn't that built on part of the so called nature reserve?[/p][/quote]loosehead. I would like to be a councillor and get Dibden Bay up and running but being in the Merchant navy and being away 50% of the year wouldn't be good for the area. I also wrote to our MP, who by the way was against Dibden Bay, telling him he was talking a load of rubbish, but got no reply. I can see he's interested in jobs on the Waterside. Next time Dibden Bay will be built I'm sure. How can you stop people building on land that they own because of a worm that comes out every 20 years. A friend of mine who was the environmental liason officer for HCC told me there wasn't anything in Dibden Bay that wouldn't have naturally relocated it self. unlike the people of Hythe Mari scattymal
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8:55am Thu 15 Nov 12

loosehead says...

scattymal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
scattymal wrote:
Well I've just registered so that I can add my ten penny worth. If Dibden Bay had been allowed to go through So'ton Container terminal would have been a lot bigger and up and running by now. There would have been more jobs for the waterside (what do we have over there now a refinery an incinerator and an army base just about to shut up shop along with the power station). Liverpool wouldn't be getting a look in. Who got to build another container terminal at the time Dibden Bay was stopped, Teesport and whose constituencies happen to be up that way Blair's and Prescott's. Enough said.
But the waterside didn't want the container port according to Cllr Harrison & the Anti Dibden bay group.
It's about time those who want it made themselves heard & maybe stood for local council then when elected start talks with DP World/ABP.
But be aware Hythe Marina residents will be upset OH! wasn't that built on part of the so called nature reserve?
loosehead. I would like to be a councillor and get Dibden Bay up and running but being in the Merchant navy and being away 50% of the year wouldn't be good for the area. I also wrote to our MP, who by the way was against Dibden Bay, telling him he was talking a load of rubbish, but got no reply. I can see he's interested in jobs on the Waterside. Next time Dibden Bay will be built I'm sure. How can you stop people building on land that they own because of a worm that comes out every 20 years. A friend of mine who was the environmental liason officer for HCC told me there wasn't anything in Dibden Bay that wouldn't have naturally relocated it self. unlike the people of Hythe Mari
What gets me is the fact they're still calling it Dibden Bay? surely now it's filled in it's not a bay?
I'm a Tory but I believe Julian Lewis has been mis-informed by certain elements on the waterside to exactly what the residents want.
When I say residents I don't mean the vocal few who've retired to Hythe Marina but those who need to work.
There have been several posts by Watersiders wanting the container port then you have Geof who thinks it's Southampton dumping on the New Forest?
He shouts louder thaqn the ones in favour of that development so unless you know of residents in favour of the port & who will stand up & be heard the Anti Port/Southampton brigade will always get their own way
[quote][p][bold]scattymal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scattymal[/bold] wrote: Well I've just registered so that I can add my ten penny worth. If Dibden Bay had been allowed to go through So'ton Container terminal would have been a lot bigger and up and running by now. There would have been more jobs for the waterside (what do we have over there now a refinery an incinerator and an army base just about to shut up shop along with the power station). Liverpool wouldn't be getting a look in. Who got to build another container terminal at the time Dibden Bay was stopped, Teesport and whose constituencies happen to be up that way Blair's and Prescott's. Enough said.[/p][/quote]But the waterside didn't want the container port according to Cllr Harrison & the Anti Dibden bay group. It's about time those who want it made themselves heard & maybe stood for local council then when elected start talks with DP World/ABP. But be aware Hythe Marina residents will be upset OH! wasn't that built on part of the so called nature reserve?[/p][/quote]loosehead. I would like to be a councillor and get Dibden Bay up and running but being in the Merchant navy and being away 50% of the year wouldn't be good for the area. I also wrote to our MP, who by the way was against Dibden Bay, telling him he was talking a load of rubbish, but got no reply. I can see he's interested in jobs on the Waterside. Next time Dibden Bay will be built I'm sure. How can you stop people building on land that they own because of a worm that comes out every 20 years. A friend of mine who was the environmental liason officer for HCC told me there wasn't anything in Dibden Bay that wouldn't have naturally relocated it self. unlike the people of Hythe Mari[/p][/quote]What gets me is the fact they're still calling it Dibden Bay? surely now it's filled in it's not a bay? I'm a Tory but I believe Julian Lewis has been mis-informed by certain elements on the waterside to exactly what the residents want. When I say residents I don't mean the vocal few who've retired to Hythe Marina but those who need to work. There have been several posts by Watersiders wanting the container port then you have Geof who thinks it's Southampton dumping on the New Forest? He shouts louder thaqn the ones in favour of that development so unless you know of residents in favour of the port & who will stand up & be heard the Anti Port/Southampton brigade will always get their own way loosehead
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10:39am Thu 15 Nov 12

phil maccavity says...

loosehead wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
I recollect that Sefton Council (which covers the Bootle area of Liverpool in which the Liverpool/Seaforth Docks lie,) obtained a £35m grant to pay towards the Dredge of the Mersey for the Liverpool 2 container scheme.
According to media reports this has upset a number of UK ports but Soton seem to have kept their powder dry on this as there was no duplicity on the grant application.
Avonmouth Container terminal has reportedly been put on hold awaiting 'customer demand'
Phil I've just watched a program about empty homes.
In Liverpool the council has taken the money the Government has provided to council to refurbish old properties & used it to knock them down.
Joe Anderson was walking around such an area when several people stopped him & told him they & many others all whose names they had wanted to buy these victorian houses & refurbish them to live in & this was two large estates .
His answer was there wasn't enough of them the Lady & others hotly denied this but he just walked away.
Then it was announced he'd( council) had sold one of the estates to a private developer for millions?
He doesn't give a **** for his voters or the normal citizens of Liverpool.
Maybe this is how he's paying off the grant?
Loosehead, I saw that programme too.
I suppose you have to bear in mind that the TV crew may have cut the shots to follow their own agenda but the Mayor of Liverpool, Joe Andersen, did not come out of the programme with much credit.
Liverpool has successfully regenerated its central city area with the help of £2 billion worth of grant aid over the past 20 years. It is a great place to visit, a mixture of the old and new.
Go beyond this central area and there is significant deprivation.
A lot of UK/EC Grant aid money has been spent on shiny projects (and/or siphoned off by well connected speculators) when there is a great deal of old, but good, Victorian housing stock, such as that in Toxteth, portrayed in the TV programme, which could have been refurbed with grant aid money to the benefit of local communities.
The real thing that irks me is when people compare the many impressive facilities in Liverpool to the lack of progress down here.
The fact of life is that Soton and surrounding area are seen by Govet as 'well off' and any assistance from UK/EC grants is minimal.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: I recollect that Sefton Council (which covers the Bootle area of Liverpool in which the Liverpool/Seaforth Docks lie,) obtained a £35m grant to pay towards the Dredge of the Mersey for the Liverpool 2 container scheme. According to media reports this has upset a number of UK ports but Soton seem to have kept their powder dry on this as there was no duplicity on the grant application. Avonmouth Container terminal has reportedly been put on hold awaiting 'customer demand'[/p][/quote]Phil I've just watched a program about empty homes. In Liverpool the council has taken the money the Government has provided to council to refurbish old properties & used it to knock them down. Joe Anderson was walking around such an area when several people stopped him & told him they & many others all whose names they had wanted to buy these victorian houses & refurbish them to live in & this was two large estates . His answer was there wasn't enough of them the Lady & others hotly denied this but he just walked away. Then it was announced he'd( council) had sold one of the estates to a private developer for millions? He doesn't give a **** for his voters or the normal citizens of Liverpool. Maybe this is how he's paying off the grant?[/p][/quote]Loosehead, I saw that programme too. I suppose you have to bear in mind that the TV crew may have cut the shots to follow their own agenda but the Mayor of Liverpool, Joe Andersen, did not come out of the programme with much credit. Liverpool has successfully regenerated its central city area with the help of £2 billion worth of grant aid over the past 20 years. It is a great place to visit, a mixture of the old and new. Go beyond this central area and there is significant deprivation. A lot of UK/EC Grant aid money has been spent on shiny projects (and/or siphoned off by well connected speculators) when there is a great deal of old, but good, Victorian housing stock, such as that in Toxteth, portrayed in the TV programme, which could have been refurbed with grant aid money to the benefit of local communities. The real thing that irks me is when people compare the many impressive facilities in Liverpool to the lack of progress down here. The fact of life is that Soton and surrounding area are seen by Govet as 'well off' and any assistance from UK/EC grants is minimal. phil maccavity
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3:39pm Thu 15 Nov 12

The Wickham Man says...

What a good thread. Sensible informed discussion, no Nimbies and Southy nowhere to be seen.
What a good thread. Sensible informed discussion, no Nimbies and Southy nowhere to be seen. The Wickham Man
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10:27pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Chris storey says...

The Wickham Man wrote:
What a good thread. Sensible informed discussion, no Nimbies and Southy nowhere to be seen.
Yes indeed, despite the provocative and frankly rather silly 1st paragraph from your education reporter.
example.

"THEY have already tried to pinch our cruise ships, but now Liverpool is attempting to muscle in on Southampton’s commercial port business"

Does he really believe that the container business belongs solely to to Southampton, this guy reports on education, he should try getting one!
[quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: What a good thread. Sensible informed discussion, no Nimbies and Southy nowhere to be seen.[/p][/quote]Yes indeed, despite the provocative and frankly rather silly 1st paragraph from your education reporter. example. "THEY have already tried to pinch our cruise ships, but now Liverpool is attempting to muscle in on Southampton’s commercial port business" Does he really believe that the container business belongs solely to to Southampton, this guy reports on education, he should try getting one! Chris storey
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6:47am Fri 16 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Chris storey wrote:
The Wickham Man wrote:
What a good thread. Sensible informed discussion, no Nimbies and Southy nowhere to be seen.
Yes indeed, despite the provocative and frankly rather silly 1st paragraph from your education reporter.
example.

"THEY have already tried to pinch our cruise ships, but now Liverpool is attempting to muscle in on Southampton’s commercial port business"

Does he really believe that the container business belongs solely to to Southampton, this guy reports on education, he should try getting one!
Chris it's not our business but I know how much the people of Millbrook & Freemantle have given up for this facility.
Millbrook point you could walk from dock gate 20 ( sorry where dock gate 20 now is) to Millbrook Point. we all use to go there in the summer.
Then we had Western Shore/American Dump I had great times over there.
then we lost Lawton & Wilson & God knows how many houses building the new road into Southampton/docks.
I'd love to see Liverpool do well but at the expense of all we've given up sorry No.
I do think this article shows how stupid the watersiders were in objecting to a new container Port on reclaimed land as if the Port loses a lot of custom as with Fords this will have a knock on effect to the area not just Southampton
[quote][p][bold]Chris storey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: What a good thread. Sensible informed discussion, no Nimbies and Southy nowhere to be seen.[/p][/quote]Yes indeed, despite the provocative and frankly rather silly 1st paragraph from your education reporter. example. "THEY have already tried to pinch our cruise ships, but now Liverpool is attempting to muscle in on Southampton’s commercial port business" Does he really believe that the container business belongs solely to to Southampton, this guy reports on education, he should try getting one![/p][/quote]Chris it's not our business but I know how much the people of Millbrook & Freemantle have given up for this facility. Millbrook point you could walk from dock gate 20 ( sorry where dock gate 20 now is) to Millbrook Point. we all use to go there in the summer. Then we had Western Shore/American Dump I had great times over there. then we lost Lawton & Wilson & God knows how many houses building the new road into Southampton/docks. I'd love to see Liverpool do well but at the expense of all we've given up sorry No. I do think this article shows how stupid the watersiders were in objecting to a new container Port on reclaimed land as if the Port loses a lot of custom as with Fords this will have a knock on effect to the area not just Southampton loosehead
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8:50am Fri 16 Nov 12

Proud from LIVERPOOL says...

WORK on the £300m Liverpool2 container terminal could start as early as January, immediately creating the first of an anticipated 5,000 jobs.

Port of Liverpool owner Peel Ports lobbied senior Tory politicians at their Birmingham conference last week on the run-up to the November 5 deadline for objections to its plans for the in-river terminal which could add a further half a million containers to its capacity, taking its overall capability to almost 2m containers on completion in 2015.

The port needs to secure three licences from the Marine Management Organisation (MMO) before work can commence.

Assuming no objections are submitted by November 5, ahead of the MMO’s decision in December, preparation work on one of the biggest developments in the docks’ history could begin in January.

But port managers remain vigilant.

Managing director Gary Hodgson said: “The three licences cover navigation issues in the river during the construction of the new port, plus our plans for managing the material we dredge, and environmental considerations.

“We have taken great care to anticipate any potential objections, but we operate in an extremely competitive marketplace and it is not unknown for rivals to raise objections at the 11th hour, if only to cause applicants extra cost and delay.

“If that happens we want to ensure we have the backing of our local community and influential business figures and politicians.”

He added: “Government is crying out for private business to invest in new infrastructure to kick-start the economy and boost international trade – there is no better example of that in the UK than this development.”


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WORK on the £300m Liverpool2 container terminal could start as early as January, immediately creating the first of an anticipated 5,000 jobs. Port of Liverpool owner Peel Ports lobbied senior Tory politicians at their Birmingham conference last week on the run-up to the November 5 deadline for objections to its plans for the in-river terminal which could add a further half a million containers to its capacity, taking its overall capability to almost 2m containers on completion in 2015. The port needs to secure three licences from the Marine Management Organisation (MMO) before work can commence. Assuming no objections are submitted by November 5, ahead of the MMO’s decision in December, preparation work on one of the biggest developments in the docks’ history could begin in January. But port managers remain vigilant. Managing director Gary Hodgson said: “The three licences cover navigation issues in the river during the construction of the new port, plus our plans for managing the material we dredge, and environmental considerations. “We have taken great care to anticipate any potential objections, but we operate in an extremely competitive marketplace and it is not unknown for rivals to raise objections at the 11th hour, if only to cause applicants extra cost and delay. “If that happens we want to ensure we have the backing of our local community and influential business figures and politicians.” He added: “Government is crying out for private business to invest in new infrastructure to kick-start the economy and boost international trade – there is no better example of that in the UK than this development.” Read More http://www.liverpool dailypost.co.uk/ldpb usiness/business-loc al/2012/10/18/300m-l iverpool2-scheme-cou ld-start-in-weeks-99 623-32051674/#ixzz2C NAm1yy0 Proud from LIVERPOOL
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12:07pm Fri 16 Nov 12

phil maccavity says...

Proud
Just be careful about taking in too much media hype
I think you will find that the '5,000 jobs' figure from the Liverpool Container expansion has been rounded up by the local press from a local Liverpool study that actually said 4,200 jobs created by 2020!!!!!!
The Liverpool media has a bit of form here. They regularly claim that each cruise ship calling into Liverpool brings in £1m to the local economy.
Where did this information come from?
A survey undertaken by Soton City Council back in 2007 which has very little relevance to Liverpool but sounds good to promote to the good people of Liverpool to justify expenditure on a loss making cruise terminal
Proud Just be careful about taking in too much media hype I think you will find that the '5,000 jobs' figure from the Liverpool Container expansion has been rounded up by the local press from a local Liverpool study that actually said 4,200 jobs created by 2020!!!!!! The Liverpool media has a bit of form here. They regularly claim that each cruise ship calling into Liverpool brings in £1m to the local economy. Where did this information come from? A survey undertaken by Soton City Council back in 2007 which has very little relevance to Liverpool but sounds good to promote to the good people of Liverpool to justify expenditure on a loss making cruise terminal phil maccavity
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5:13pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Who's laughing now says...

And in the meantime, our city looks to move on further....

‘Waterworld’ plan for Liverpool’s docks
LIVERPOOL’S southern docklands are to undergo their biggest transformation since the rebirth of the Albert Dock.

Plans being drawn up will revamp 50 hectares of docks from Canning to Brunswick with floating accommodation, restaurants, an island stage, sculptures and a water park.

It could also include an ice rink, bowling alley or surf centre on the land around Kings Dock.
Image 1 for 'The changing face of Liverpool Docks. Pics from Trinity Mirror Archive' gallery
The changing face of Liverpool Docks. Pics from Trinity Mirror Archive

Nov 14 2012

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The architects behind the scheme said the aim is to make the currently under- used inland waters as busy and active as they were in their heyday.

The firm, BACA Architects, have worked on floating homes in both Holland and France and are drawing up designs that will see them introduced to the city.

Town hall chiefs are set to approve the “Waterspace” plans on Monday.

The long-term vision will provide the blueprint for the future growth of the docklands.

Cabinet member for regeneration, Cllr Malcolm Kennedy, said: “These are exciting proposals, which will play an important part in the future development of the south docks.

“The city’s waterfront is one of our greatest assets and we want to develop it to its full potential.

“This strategy lays out the blueprint for how, working together, we can achieve that.”

While Peel’s Liverpool Waters is set to revamp the northern docks and the ECHO Arena has breathed new life into the central docks, the south docks are yet to reach their full potential.
And in the meantime, our city looks to move on further.... ‘Waterworld’ plan for Liverpool’s docks LIVERPOOL’S southern docklands are to undergo their biggest transformation since the rebirth of the Albert Dock. Plans being drawn up will revamp 50 hectares of docks from Canning to Brunswick with floating accommodation, restaurants, an island stage, sculptures and a water park. It could also include an ice rink, bowling alley or surf centre on the land around Kings Dock. Image 1 for 'The changing face of Liverpool Docks. Pics from Trinity Mirror Archive' gallery The changing face of Liverpool Docks. Pics from Trinity Mirror Archive Nov 14 2012 View The architects behind the scheme said the aim is to make the currently under- used inland waters as busy and active as they were in their heyday. The firm, BACA Architects, have worked on floating homes in both Holland and France and are drawing up designs that will see them introduced to the city. Town hall chiefs are set to approve the “Waterspace” plans on Monday. The long-term vision will provide the blueprint for the future growth of the docklands. Cabinet member for regeneration, Cllr Malcolm Kennedy, said: “These are exciting proposals, which will play an important part in the future development of the south docks. “The city’s waterfront is one of our greatest assets and we want to develop it to its full potential. “This strategy lays out the blueprint for how, working together, we can achieve that.” While Peel’s Liverpool Waters is set to revamp the northern docks and the ECHO Arena has breathed new life into the central docks, the south docks are yet to reach their full potential. Who's laughing now
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5:16pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Who's laughing now says...

Film crews shoot latest Fast and Furious movie in Liverpool
FILM crews and fast cars were in the city shooting scenes for the upcoming Fast and Furious 6.

The movie, which is due for release by Universal Studios next May, will star Paul Walker, Michelle Rodriguez, Jordana Brewster, Dwayne Johnson and Vin Diesel, reprising his role as criminal Dominic Toretto.

Dale Street and the surrounding roads were closed off as a secondary film unit shot chase scenes and crowds gathered to catch a glimpse of the powerful cars.

In September, Kenneth Branagh was in the city filming spy thriller Jack Ryan. We have put a gallery of some other films filmed in Liverpool below.
Film crews shoot latest Fast and Furious movie in Liverpool FILM crews and fast cars were in the city shooting scenes for the upcoming Fast and Furious 6. The movie, which is due for release by Universal Studios next May, will star Paul Walker, Michelle Rodriguez, Jordana Brewster, Dwayne Johnson and Vin Diesel, reprising his role as criminal Dominic Toretto. Dale Street and the surrounding roads were closed off as a secondary film unit shot chase scenes and crowds gathered to catch a glimpse of the powerful cars. In September, Kenneth Branagh was in the city filming spy thriller Jack Ryan. We have put a gallery of some other films filmed in Liverpool below. Who's laughing now
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5:19pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Who's laughing now says...

And while you're all still being paranoid, Hollywood is filming here again, it's been a long time, it was last month that they were last here lol.
And while you're all still being paranoid, Hollywood is filming here again, it's been a long time, it was last month that they were last here lol. Who's laughing now
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6:47pm Fri 16 Nov 12

phil maccavity says...

Who's laughing now wrote:
And in the meantime, our city looks to move on further....

‘Waterworld’ plan for Liverpool’s docks
LIVERPOOL’S southern docklands are to undergo their biggest transformation since the rebirth of the Albert Dock.

Plans being drawn up will revamp 50 hectares of docks from Canning to Brunswick with floating accommodation, restaurants, an island stage, sculptures and a water park.

It could also include an ice rink, bowling alley or surf centre on the land around Kings Dock.
Image 1 for 'The changing face of Liverpool Docks. Pics from Trinity Mirror Archive' gallery
The changing face of Liverpool Docks. Pics from Trinity Mirror Archive

Nov 14 2012

View

The architects behind the scheme said the aim is to make the currently under- used inland waters as busy and active as they were in their heyday.

The firm, BACA Architects, have worked on floating homes in both Holland and France and are drawing up designs that will see them introduced to the city.

Town hall chiefs are set to approve the “Waterspace” plans on Monday.

The long-term vision will provide the blueprint for the future growth of the docklands.

Cabinet member for regeneration, Cllr Malcolm Kennedy, said: “These are exciting proposals, which will play an important part in the future development of the south docks.

“The city’s waterfront is one of our greatest assets and we want to develop it to its full potential.

“This strategy lays out the blueprint for how, working together, we can achieve that.”

While Peel’s Liverpool Waters is set to revamp the northern docks and the ECHO Arena has breathed new life into the central docks, the south docks are yet to reach their full potential.
Great news for Liverpool.
I am sure most people will wish this scheme well if it ever gets past the 'blueprint' stage.
There have, of course, been much more modest plans for development of the Royal Pier area in Soton but no grant funding was available to move this forward.
If the Kings Dock scheme can be advanced without Govt/EU aid then well done to all concerned.
It is noticeable that the ECHO Arena cost approx £150m to build, approx 80% of which came from the Tax Payer.
[quote][p][bold]Who's laughing now[/bold] wrote: And in the meantime, our city looks to move on further.... ‘Waterworld’ plan for Liverpool’s docks LIVERPOOL’S southern docklands are to undergo their biggest transformation since the rebirth of the Albert Dock. Plans being drawn up will revamp 50 hectares of docks from Canning to Brunswick with floating accommodation, restaurants, an island stage, sculptures and a water park. It could also include an ice rink, bowling alley or surf centre on the land around Kings Dock. Image 1 for 'The changing face of Liverpool Docks. Pics from Trinity Mirror Archive' gallery The changing face of Liverpool Docks. Pics from Trinity Mirror Archive Nov 14 2012 View The architects behind the scheme said the aim is to make the currently under- used inland waters as busy and active as they were in their heyday. The firm, BACA Architects, have worked on floating homes in both Holland and France and are drawing up designs that will see them introduced to the city. Town hall chiefs are set to approve the “Waterspace” plans on Monday. The long-term vision will provide the blueprint for the future growth of the docklands. Cabinet member for regeneration, Cllr Malcolm Kennedy, said: “These are exciting proposals, which will play an important part in the future development of the south docks. “The city’s waterfront is one of our greatest assets and we want to develop it to its full potential. “This strategy lays out the blueprint for how, working together, we can achieve that.” While Peel’s Liverpool Waters is set to revamp the northern docks and the ECHO Arena has breathed new life into the central docks, the south docks are yet to reach their full potential.[/p][/quote]Great news for Liverpool. I am sure most people will wish this scheme well if it ever gets past the 'blueprint' stage. There have, of course, been much more modest plans for development of the Royal Pier area in Soton but no grant funding was available to move this forward. If the Kings Dock scheme can be advanced without Govt/EU aid then well done to all concerned. It is noticeable that the ECHO Arena cost approx £150m to build, approx 80% of which came from the Tax Payer. phil maccavity
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6:51pm Fri 16 Nov 12

loosehead says...

phil maccavity wrote:
Who's laughing now wrote:
And in the meantime, our city looks to move on further....

‘Waterworld’ plan for Liverpool’s docks
LIVERPOOL’S southern docklands are to undergo their biggest transformation since the rebirth of the Albert Dock.

Plans being drawn up will revamp 50 hectares of docks from Canning to Brunswick with floating accommodation, restaurants, an island stage, sculptures and a water park.

It could also include an ice rink, bowling alley or surf centre on the land around Kings Dock.
Image 1 for 'The changing face of Liverpool Docks. Pics from Trinity Mirror Archive' gallery
The changing face of Liverpool Docks. Pics from Trinity Mirror Archive

Nov 14 2012

View

The architects behind the scheme said the aim is to make the currently under- used inland waters as busy and active as they were in their heyday.

The firm, BACA Architects, have worked on floating homes in both Holland and France and are drawing up designs that will see them introduced to the city.

Town hall chiefs are set to approve the “Waterspace” plans on Monday.

The long-term vision will provide the blueprint for the future growth of the docklands.

Cabinet member for regeneration, Cllr Malcolm Kennedy, said: “These are exciting proposals, which will play an important part in the future development of the south docks.

“The city’s waterfront is one of our greatest assets and we want to develop it to its full potential.

“This strategy lays out the blueprint for how, working together, we can achieve that.”

While Peel’s Liverpool Waters is set to revamp the northern docks and the ECHO Arena has breathed new life into the central docks, the south docks are yet to reach their full potential.
Great news for Liverpool.
I am sure most people will wish this scheme well if it ever gets past the 'blueprint' stage.
There have, of course, been much more modest plans for development of the Royal Pier area in Soton but no grant funding was available to move this forward.
If the Kings Dock scheme can be advanced without Govt/EU aid then well done to all concerned.
It is noticeable that the ECHO Arena cost approx £150m to build, approx 80% of which came from the Tax Payer.
Phil as far as I know the Royal Pier scheme is going ahead & guess what you right NO government money is being used to do it
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Who's laughing now[/bold] wrote: And in the meantime, our city looks to move on further.... ‘Waterworld’ plan for Liverpool’s docks LIVERPOOL’S southern docklands are to undergo their biggest transformation since the rebirth of the Albert Dock. Plans being drawn up will revamp 50 hectares of docks from Canning to Brunswick with floating accommodation, restaurants, an island stage, sculptures and a water park. It could also include an ice rink, bowling alley or surf centre on the land around Kings Dock. Image 1 for 'The changing face of Liverpool Docks. Pics from Trinity Mirror Archive' gallery The changing face of Liverpool Docks. Pics from Trinity Mirror Archive Nov 14 2012 View The architects behind the scheme said the aim is to make the currently under- used inland waters as busy and active as they were in their heyday. The firm, BACA Architects, have worked on floating homes in both Holland and France and are drawing up designs that will see them introduced to the city. Town hall chiefs are set to approve the “Waterspace” plans on Monday. The long-term vision will provide the blueprint for the future growth of the docklands. Cabinet member for regeneration, Cllr Malcolm Kennedy, said: “These are exciting proposals, which will play an important part in the future development of the south docks. “The city’s waterfront is one of our greatest assets and we want to develop it to its full potential. “This strategy lays out the blueprint for how, working together, we can achieve that.” While Peel’s Liverpool Waters is set to revamp the northern docks and the ECHO Arena has breathed new life into the central docks, the south docks are yet to reach their full potential.[/p][/quote]Great news for Liverpool. I am sure most people will wish this scheme well if it ever gets past the 'blueprint' stage. There have, of course, been much more modest plans for development of the Royal Pier area in Soton but no grant funding was available to move this forward. If the Kings Dock scheme can be advanced without Govt/EU aid then well done to all concerned. It is noticeable that the ECHO Arena cost approx £150m to build, approx 80% of which came from the Tax Payer.[/p][/quote]Phil as far as I know the Royal Pier scheme is going ahead & guess what you right NO government money is being used to do it loosehead
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7:10pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Proud from LIVERPOOL says...

phil maccavity wrote:
Proud
Just be careful about taking in too much media hype
I think you will find that the '5,000 jobs' figure from the Liverpool Container expansion has been rounded up by the local press from a local Liverpool study that actually said 4,200 jobs created by 2020!!!!!!
The Liverpool media has a bit of form here. They regularly claim that each cruise ship calling into Liverpool brings in £1m to the local economy.
Where did this information come from?
A survey undertaken by Soton City Council back in 2007 which has very little relevance to Liverpool but sounds good to promote to the good people of Liverpool to justify expenditure on a loss making cruise terminal
I can assure you I am not taken in by the media hype.

The planned proposals however for the Port of Liverpool are far greater than you or any of the posters on this site will have ever imagined and the full master plan is detailed in the documents available in the list of pdf files listed below.

These plans are in addition to the plans for Liverpool Waters and Wirral Waters which have recently been granted planning permission.

The site for the International Trade Centre is currently being cleared and is expected to be finished late 2013.

I would like to suggest that you spend some time browsing the documents listed below, then you might get a better insight into the scale of this development


PDF files available

http://www.merseydoc
ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/
masterplan/Plans.pdf


http://www.merseydoc
ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/
masterplan/Interim_R
eport.pdf

http://www.merseydoc
ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/
masterplan/Executive
_Summary.pdf

http://www.merseydoc
ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/
masterplan/Consultat
ion_Draft.pdf
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: Proud Just be careful about taking in too much media hype I think you will find that the '5,000 jobs' figure from the Liverpool Container expansion has been rounded up by the local press from a local Liverpool study that actually said 4,200 jobs created by 2020!!!!!! The Liverpool media has a bit of form here. They regularly claim that each cruise ship calling into Liverpool brings in £1m to the local economy. Where did this information come from? A survey undertaken by Soton City Council back in 2007 which has very little relevance to Liverpool but sounds good to promote to the good people of Liverpool to justify expenditure on a loss making cruise terminal[/p][/quote]I can assure you I am not taken in by the media hype. The planned proposals however for the Port of Liverpool are far greater than you or any of the posters on this site will have ever imagined and the full master plan is detailed in the documents available in the list of pdf files listed below. These plans are in addition to the plans for Liverpool Waters and Wirral Waters which have recently been granted planning permission. The site for the International Trade Centre is currently being cleared and is expected to be finished late 2013. I would like to suggest that you spend some time browsing the documents listed below, then you might get a better insight into the scale of this development PDF files available http://www.merseydoc ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/ masterplan/Plans.pdf http://www.merseydoc ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/ masterplan/Interim_R eport.pdf http://www.merseydoc ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/ masterplan/Executive _Summary.pdf http://www.merseydoc ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/ masterplan/Consultat ion_Draft.pdf Proud from LIVERPOOL
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9:51pm Fri 16 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
Proud
Just be careful about taking in too much media hype
I think you will find that the '5,000 jobs' figure from the Liverpool Container expansion has been rounded up by the local press from a local Liverpool study that actually said 4,200 jobs created by 2020!!!!!!
The Liverpool media has a bit of form here. They regularly claim that each cruise ship calling into Liverpool brings in £1m to the local economy.
Where did this information come from?
A survey undertaken by Soton City Council back in 2007 which has very little relevance to Liverpool but sounds good to promote to the good people of Liverpool to justify expenditure on a loss making cruise terminal
I can assure you I am not taken in by the media hype.

The planned proposals however for the Port of Liverpool are far greater than you or any of the posters on this site will have ever imagined and the full master plan is detailed in the documents available in the list of pdf files listed below.

These plans are in addition to the plans for Liverpool Waters and Wirral Waters which have recently been granted planning permission.

The site for the International Trade Centre is currently being cleared and is expected to be finished late 2013.

I would like to suggest that you spend some time browsing the documents listed below, then you might get a better insight into the scale of this development


PDF files available

http://www.merseydoc

ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/

masterplan/Plans.pdf



http://www.merseydoc

ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/

masterplan/Interim_R

eport.pdf

http://www.merseydoc

ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/

masterplan/Executive

_Summary.pdf

http://www.merseydoc

ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/

masterplan/Consultat

ion_Draft.pdf
So all our Eastern Europeans will move up there to take the jobs put up the rents & value of private properties so how many people will be able to work as cheap or lower than they will?
[quote][p][bold]Proud from LIVERPOOL[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: Proud Just be careful about taking in too much media hype I think you will find that the '5,000 jobs' figure from the Liverpool Container expansion has been rounded up by the local press from a local Liverpool study that actually said 4,200 jobs created by 2020!!!!!! The Liverpool media has a bit of form here. They regularly claim that each cruise ship calling into Liverpool brings in £1m to the local economy. Where did this information come from? A survey undertaken by Soton City Council back in 2007 which has very little relevance to Liverpool but sounds good to promote to the good people of Liverpool to justify expenditure on a loss making cruise terminal[/p][/quote]I can assure you I am not taken in by the media hype. The planned proposals however for the Port of Liverpool are far greater than you or any of the posters on this site will have ever imagined and the full master plan is detailed in the documents available in the list of pdf files listed below. These plans are in addition to the plans for Liverpool Waters and Wirral Waters which have recently been granted planning permission. The site for the International Trade Centre is currently being cleared and is expected to be finished late 2013. I would like to suggest that you spend some time browsing the documents listed below, then you might get a better insight into the scale of this development PDF files available http://www.merseydoc ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/ masterplan/Plans.pdf http://www.merseydoc ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/ masterplan/Interim_R eport.pdf http://www.merseydoc ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/ masterplan/Executive _Summary.pdf http://www.merseydoc ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/ masterplan/Consultat ion_Draft.pdf[/p][/quote]So all our Eastern Europeans will move up there to take the jobs put up the rents & value of private properties so how many people will be able to work as cheap or lower than they will? loosehead
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12:05am Sat 17 Nov 12

MerseyMart says...

I'm just wondering what you do down in Southampton now with all the cruise ships moved up to the Mersey. Absolute bedlam up here with all these ships hooters going off all the time.

I don't know where we are going to put all these container ships that you are going to be sending us.

Do you have any other industries down there that we need to be getting our thieving Scouse hands on?

By the way Phil, don't forget to mention the Boat Show.
I'm just wondering what you do down in Southampton now with all the cruise ships moved up to the Mersey. Absolute bedlam up here with all these ships hooters going off all the time. I don't know where we are going to put all these container ships that you are going to be sending us. Do you have any other industries down there that we need to be getting our thieving Scouse hands on? By the way Phil, don't forget to mention the Boat Show. MerseyMart
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7:41am Sat 17 Nov 12

loosehead says...

MerseyMart wrote:
I'm just wondering what you do down in Southampton now with all the cruise ships moved up to the Mersey. Absolute bedlam up here with all these ships hooters going off all the time.

I don't know where we are going to put all these container ships that you are going to be sending us.

Do you have any other industries down there that we need to be getting our thieving Scouse hands on?

By the way Phil, don't forget to mention the Boat Show.
Why are you running down the people of Liverpool?
our thieving Scouse hands on?
If you haven't noticed Southampton has made no complaint against the Container Port even though Government money was used to dredge the Mersey & we paid for the dredging of Southampton Water but other Ports are complaining so why are you attacking us?
[quote][p][bold]MerseyMart[/bold] wrote: I'm just wondering what you do down in Southampton now with all the cruise ships moved up to the Mersey. Absolute bedlam up here with all these ships hooters going off all the time. I don't know where we are going to put all these container ships that you are going to be sending us. Do you have any other industries down there that we need to be getting our thieving Scouse hands on? By the way Phil, don't forget to mention the Boat Show.[/p][/quote]Why are you running down the people of Liverpool? our thieving Scouse hands on? If you haven't noticed Southampton has made no complaint against the Container Port even though Government money was used to dredge the Mersey & we paid for the dredging of Southampton Water but other Ports are complaining so why are you attacking us? loosehead
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11:16am Sat 17 Nov 12

MerseyMart says...

Loosehead, This might help (courtesy of Wikipedia):

Humour or humor (see spelling differences) is the tendency of particular cognitive experiences to provoke laughter and provide amusement. The term derives from the humoral medicine of the ancient Greeks, which taught that the balance of fluids in the human body, known as humors (Latin: humor, "body fluid"), control human health and emotion.

People of all ages and cultures respond to humour. The majority of people are able to experience humour, i.e., to be amused, to laugh or smile at something funny, and thus they are considered to have a sense of humour. The hypothetical person lacking a sense of humour would likely find the behaviour induced by humour to be inexplicable, strange, or even irrational. Though ultimately decided by personal taste, the extent to which a person will find something humorous depends upon a host of variables, including geographical location, culture, maturity, level of education, intelligence and context. For example, young children may favour slapstick, such as Punch and Judy puppet shows or cartoons such as Tom and Jerry. Satire may rely more on understanding the target of the humour and thus tends to appeal to more mature audiences.
Loosehead, This might help (courtesy of Wikipedia): Humour or humor (see spelling differences) is the tendency of particular cognitive experiences to provoke laughter and provide amusement. The term derives from the humoral medicine of the ancient Greeks, which taught that the balance of fluids in the human body, known as humors (Latin: humor, "body fluid"), control human health and emotion. People of all ages and cultures respond to humour. The majority of people are able to experience humour, i.e., to be amused, to laugh or smile at something funny, and thus they are considered to have a sense of humour. The hypothetical person lacking a sense of humour would likely find the behaviour induced by humour to be inexplicable, strange, or even irrational. Though ultimately decided by personal taste, the extent to which a person will find something humorous depends upon a host of variables, including geographical location, culture, maturity, level of education, intelligence and context. For example, young children may favour slapstick, such as Punch and Judy puppet shows or cartoons such as Tom and Jerry. Satire may rely more on understanding the target of the humour and thus tends to appeal to more mature audiences. MerseyMart
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1:06pm Sat 17 Nov 12

loosehead says...

MerseyMart wrote:
Loosehead, This might help (courtesy of Wikipedia):

Humour or humor (see spelling differences) is the tendency of particular cognitive experiences to provoke laughter and provide amusement. The term derives from the humoral medicine of the ancient Greeks, which taught that the balance of fluids in the human body, known as humors (Latin: humor, "body fluid"), control human health and emotion.

People of all ages and cultures respond to humour. The majority of people are able to experience humour, i.e., to be amused, to laugh or smile at something funny, and thus they are considered to have a sense of humour. The hypothetical person lacking a sense of humour would likely find the behaviour induced by humour to be inexplicable, strange, or even irrational. Though ultimately decided by personal taste, the extent to which a person will find something humorous depends upon a host of variables, including geographical location, culture, maturity, level of education, intelligence and context. For example, young children may favour slapstick, such as Punch and Judy puppet shows or cartoons such as Tom and Jerry. Satire may rely more on understanding the target of the humour and thus tends to appeal to more mature audiences.
Don't think I didn't realise you were attempting to be humorous in your post but I listen to Proud & I wonder just how Liverpool citizens would react to 25% of their population being from Poland & all companies singing their praise & hardly any locals getting jobs in front of them?
I'll admit the women are a sheer delight to see & would love to improve Anglo Polish relations with a few of them but I'm married to a Thai Lady & I can still say don't get to many jobs as they will be a coming
[quote][p][bold]MerseyMart[/bold] wrote: Loosehead, This might help (courtesy of Wikipedia): Humour or humor (see spelling differences) is the tendency of particular cognitive experiences to provoke laughter and provide amusement. The term derives from the humoral medicine of the ancient Greeks, which taught that the balance of fluids in the human body, known as humors (Latin: humor, "body fluid"), control human health and emotion. People of all ages and cultures respond to humour. The majority of people are able to experience humour, i.e., to be amused, to laugh or smile at something funny, and thus they are considered to have a sense of humour. The hypothetical person lacking a sense of humour would likely find the behaviour induced by humour to be inexplicable, strange, or even irrational. Though ultimately decided by personal taste, the extent to which a person will find something humorous depends upon a host of variables, including geographical location, culture, maturity, level of education, intelligence and context. For example, young children may favour slapstick, such as Punch and Judy puppet shows or cartoons such as Tom and Jerry. Satire may rely more on understanding the target of the humour and thus tends to appeal to more mature audiences.[/p][/quote]Don't think I didn't realise you were attempting to be humorous in your post but I listen to Proud & I wonder just how Liverpool citizens would react to 25% of their population being from Poland & all companies singing their praise & hardly any locals getting jobs in front of them? I'll admit the women are a sheer delight to see & would love to improve Anglo Polish relations with a few of them but I'm married to a Thai Lady & I can still say don't get to many jobs as they will be a coming loosehead
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1:31pm Sat 17 Nov 12

phil maccavity says...

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
Proud
Just be careful about taking in too much media hype
I think you will find that the '5,000 jobs' figure from the Liverpool Container expansion has been rounded up by the local press from a local Liverpool study that actually said 4,200 jobs created by 2020!!!!!!
The Liverpool media has a bit of form here. They regularly claim that each cruise ship calling into Liverpool brings in £1m to the local economy.
Where did this information come from?
A survey undertaken by Soton City Council back in 2007 which has very little relevance to Liverpool but sounds good to promote to the good people of Liverpool to justify expenditure on a loss making cruise terminal
I can assure you I am not taken in by the media hype.

The planned proposals however for the Port of Liverpool are far greater than you or any of the posters on this site will have ever imagined and the full master plan is detailed in the documents available in the list of pdf files listed below.

These plans are in addition to the plans for Liverpool Waters and Wirral Waters which have recently been granted planning permission.

The site for the International Trade Centre is currently being cleared and is expected to be finished late 2013.

I would like to suggest that you spend some time browsing the documents listed below, then you might get a better insight into the scale of this development


PDF files available

http://www.merseydoc

ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/

masterplan/Plans.pdf



http://www.merseydoc

ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/

masterplan/Interim_R

eport.pdf

http://www.merseydoc

ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/

masterplan/Executive

_Summary.pdf

http://www.merseydoc

ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/

masterplan/Consultat

ion_Draft.pdf
Proud,
I congratulate all the people concerned with these plans. It shows energy, foresight and drive.
If the plans can be fully developed using the same commercially driven funding arrangements that apply in this area, then well done to all.
However a lot of people I have spoken to on Merseyside think all these plans are done deals.
Eric Pickles still has to decide whether the Liverpool Waters plans go to an expensive Public Inquiry which will take time. Peel Holdings then have to raise the £5.5b cost and then develop the scheme over a 30-50 year horizon.
Oh and the Mersey Docks Master Plan was produced by Peel Holdings who own Liverpool Port. You can probably find that every major UK Port (including Soton) has produced something similar in the past year or two detailing the wonderful progress they are going to make in the next decade or so.
Don't be taken in too much with the fine words contained within the document!!
[quote][p][bold]Proud from LIVERPOOL[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: Proud Just be careful about taking in too much media hype I think you will find that the '5,000 jobs' figure from the Liverpool Container expansion has been rounded up by the local press from a local Liverpool study that actually said 4,200 jobs created by 2020!!!!!! The Liverpool media has a bit of form here. They regularly claim that each cruise ship calling into Liverpool brings in £1m to the local economy. Where did this information come from? A survey undertaken by Soton City Council back in 2007 which has very little relevance to Liverpool but sounds good to promote to the good people of Liverpool to justify expenditure on a loss making cruise terminal[/p][/quote]I can assure you I am not taken in by the media hype. The planned proposals however for the Port of Liverpool are far greater than you or any of the posters on this site will have ever imagined and the full master plan is detailed in the documents available in the list of pdf files listed below. These plans are in addition to the plans for Liverpool Waters and Wirral Waters which have recently been granted planning permission. The site for the International Trade Centre is currently being cleared and is expected to be finished late 2013. I would like to suggest that you spend some time browsing the documents listed below, then you might get a better insight into the scale of this development PDF files available http://www.merseydoc ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/ masterplan/Plans.pdf http://www.merseydoc ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/ masterplan/Interim_R eport.pdf http://www.merseydoc ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/ masterplan/Executive _Summary.pdf http://www.merseydoc ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/ masterplan/Consultat ion_Draft.pdf[/p][/quote]Proud, I congratulate all the people concerned with these plans. It shows energy, foresight and drive. If the plans can be fully developed using the same commercially driven funding arrangements that apply in this area, then well done to all. However a lot of people I have spoken to on Merseyside think all these plans are done deals. Eric Pickles still has to decide whether the Liverpool Waters plans go to an expensive Public Inquiry which will take time. Peel Holdings then have to raise the £5.5b cost and then develop the scheme over a 30-50 year horizon. Oh and the Mersey Docks Master Plan was produced by Peel Holdings who own Liverpool Port. You can probably find that every major UK Port (including Soton) has produced something similar in the past year or two detailing the wonderful progress they are going to make in the next decade or so. Don't be taken in too much with the fine words contained within the document!! phil maccavity
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1:41pm Sat 17 Nov 12

phil maccavity says...

MerseyMart wrote:
I'm just wondering what you do down in Southampton now with all the cruise ships moved up to the Mersey. Absolute bedlam up here with all these ships hooters going off all the time.

I don't know where we are going to put all these container ships that you are going to be sending us.

Do you have any other industries down there that we need to be getting our thieving Scouse hands on?

By the way Phil, don't forget to mention the Boat Show.
MM
No cruise ship hooters have been going off for a month or so now as the season has now finished in Liverpool. Presumably you havent been down to the Pier head for a while.!!
btw the majority of people down here don't mind fair competition and those who choose to tap into the negative stereotypes of Liverpudlians don't do themselves any favours.
As you bring up the Boat Show, unfortunately this represented one of a number of wasted Grant Funding opportunities and it was, frankly, a disgrace how Liverpool Council wasted tax payers money.
As I have said before there must have been far better ways of helping those in need in Liverpool with housing and youth facilities rather than wasted on a commercial project that had no creditable business plan
[quote][p][bold]MerseyMart[/bold] wrote: I'm just wondering what you do down in Southampton now with all the cruise ships moved up to the Mersey. Absolute bedlam up here with all these ships hooters going off all the time. I don't know where we are going to put all these container ships that you are going to be sending us. Do you have any other industries down there that we need to be getting our thieving Scouse hands on? By the way Phil, don't forget to mention the Boat Show.[/p][/quote]MM No cruise ship hooters have been going off for a month or so now as the season has now finished in Liverpool. Presumably you havent been down to the Pier head for a while.!! btw the majority of people down here don't mind fair competition and those who choose to tap into the negative stereotypes of Liverpudlians don't do themselves any favours. As you bring up the Boat Show, unfortunately this represented one of a number of wasted Grant Funding opportunities and it was, frankly, a disgrace how Liverpool Council wasted tax payers money. As I have said before there must have been far better ways of helping those in need in Liverpool with housing and youth facilities rather than wasted on a commercial project that had no creditable business plan phil maccavity
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2:40pm Sat 17 Nov 12

Proud from LIVERPOOL says...

phil maccavity wrote:
Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
Proud
Just be careful about taking in too much media hype
I think you will find that the '5,000 jobs' figure from the Liverpool Container expansion has been rounded up by the local press from a local Liverpool study that actually said 4,200 jobs created by 2020!!!!!!
The Liverpool media has a bit of form here. They regularly claim that each cruise ship calling into Liverpool brings in £1m to the local economy.
Where did this information come from?
A survey undertaken by Soton City Council back in 2007 which has very little relevance to Liverpool but sounds good to promote to the good people of Liverpool to justify expenditure on a loss making cruise terminal
I can assure you I am not taken in by the media hype.

The planned proposals however for the Port of Liverpool are far greater than you or any of the posters on this site will have ever imagined and the full master plan is detailed in the documents available in the list of pdf files listed below.

These plans are in addition to the plans for Liverpool Waters and Wirral Waters which have recently been granted planning permission.

The site for the International Trade Centre is currently being cleared and is expected to be finished late 2013.

I would like to suggest that you spend some time browsing the documents listed below, then you might get a better insight into the scale of this development


PDF files available

http://www.merseydoc


ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/


masterplan/Plans.pdf




http://www.merseydoc


ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/


masterplan/Interim_R


eport.pdf

http://www.merseydoc


ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/


masterplan/Executive


_Summary.pdf

http://www.merseydoc


ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/


masterplan/Consultat


ion_Draft.pdf
Proud,
I congratulate all the people concerned with these plans. It shows energy, foresight and drive.
If the plans can be fully developed using the same commercially driven funding arrangements that apply in this area, then well done to all.
However a lot of people I have spoken to on Merseyside think all these plans are done deals.
Eric Pickles still has to decide whether the Liverpool Waters plans go to an expensive Public Inquiry which will take time. Peel Holdings then have to raise the £5.5b cost and then develop the scheme over a 30-50 year horizon.
Oh and the Mersey Docks Master Plan was produced by Peel Holdings who own Liverpool Port. You can probably find that every major UK Port (including Soton) has produced something similar in the past year or two detailing the wonderful progress they are going to make in the next decade or so.
Don't be taken in too much with the fine words contained within the document!!
Phil Maccavity,

I have never said that this project was a done deal, all I have tried to explain to you and everyone else on this site is the fact that the Post-Panamax development at the Liverpool container terminal is only a small part of a very important scheme.

" PORT of Liverpool owner Peel Ports has taken a significant step towards commencing a £250m investment on the Mersey.

It has appointed Douglas Coleman, on of the UK's most experienced project directors, as its programme director for the construction of the planned in-river Post-Panamax container terminal at Seaforth.

The purpose of Mr Coleman’s role is to take charge of the landmark container terminal project, which also involves the development of other key related projects along the length of the Manchester Ship Canal, including Port Bridgewater and Port Salford "


Read More http://www.liverpool
dailypost.co.uk/ldpb
usiness/business-loc
al/2012/02/09/peel-p
orts-appoints-direct
or-to-oversee-post-p
anamax-construction-
99623-30293391/#ixzz
2CURJsAQ3

I live in Wallasey on the other side of the river mersey from Liverpool.
3 miles from where I live the International Trade Centre is currently under construction, this development is a joint £200 million pound scheme with China. It has not been funded by the tax payer.
It is a done deal and is now under construction.
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Proud from LIVERPOOL[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: Proud Just be careful about taking in too much media hype I think you will find that the '5,000 jobs' figure from the Liverpool Container expansion has been rounded up by the local press from a local Liverpool study that actually said 4,200 jobs created by 2020!!!!!! The Liverpool media has a bit of form here. They regularly claim that each cruise ship calling into Liverpool brings in £1m to the local economy. Where did this information come from? A survey undertaken by Soton City Council back in 2007 which has very little relevance to Liverpool but sounds good to promote to the good people of Liverpool to justify expenditure on a loss making cruise terminal[/p][/quote]I can assure you I am not taken in by the media hype. The planned proposals however for the Port of Liverpool are far greater than you or any of the posters on this site will have ever imagined and the full master plan is detailed in the documents available in the list of pdf files listed below. These plans are in addition to the plans for Liverpool Waters and Wirral Waters which have recently been granted planning permission. The site for the International Trade Centre is currently being cleared and is expected to be finished late 2013. I would like to suggest that you spend some time browsing the documents listed below, then you might get a better insight into the scale of this development PDF files available http://www.merseydoc ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/ masterplan/Plans.pdf http://www.merseydoc ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/ masterplan/Interim_R eport.pdf http://www.merseydoc ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/ masterplan/Executive _Summary.pdf http://www.merseydoc ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/ masterplan/Consultat ion_Draft.pdf[/p][/quote]Proud, I congratulate all the people concerned with these plans. It shows energy, foresight and drive. If the plans can be fully developed using the same commercially driven funding arrangements that apply in this area, then well done to all. However a lot of people I have spoken to on Merseyside think all these plans are done deals. Eric Pickles still has to decide whether the Liverpool Waters plans go to an expensive Public Inquiry which will take time. Peel Holdings then have to raise the £5.5b cost and then develop the scheme over a 30-50 year horizon. Oh and the Mersey Docks Master Plan was produced by Peel Holdings who own Liverpool Port. You can probably find that every major UK Port (including Soton) has produced something similar in the past year or two detailing the wonderful progress they are going to make in the next decade or so. Don't be taken in too much with the fine words contained within the document!![/p][/quote]Phil Maccavity, I have never said that this project was a done deal, all I have tried to explain to you and everyone else on this site is the fact that the Post-Panamax development at the Liverpool container terminal is only a small part of a very important scheme. " PORT of Liverpool owner Peel Ports has taken a significant step towards commencing a £250m investment on the Mersey. It has appointed Douglas Coleman, on of the UK's most experienced project directors, as its programme director for the construction of the planned in-river Post-Panamax container terminal at Seaforth. The purpose of Mr Coleman’s role is to take charge of the landmark container terminal project, which also involves the development of other key related projects along the length of the Manchester Ship Canal, including Port Bridgewater and Port Salford " Read More http://www.liverpool dailypost.co.uk/ldpb usiness/business-loc al/2012/02/09/peel-p orts-appoints-direct or-to-oversee-post-p anamax-construction- 99623-30293391/#ixzz 2CURJsAQ3 I live in Wallasey on the other side of the river mersey from Liverpool. 3 miles from where I live the International Trade Centre is currently under construction, this development is a joint £200 million pound scheme with China. It has not been funded by the tax payer. It is a done deal and is now under construction. Proud from LIVERPOOL
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8:00pm Sat 17 Nov 12

MerseyMart says...

OK, I'm beginning to get the idea now.

25% of Southampton's citizens are Polish and so Liverpool should not expand its container port.

Liverpool City Council wasted money on the Boat Show so Peel Holdings should not invest in the Port of Liverpool

It follows that, in the wake of the Jimmy Savile scandal Southampton should scrap its plans for Dibden Bay.
OK, I'm beginning to get the idea now. 25% of Southampton's citizens are Polish and so Liverpool should not expand its container port. Liverpool City Council wasted money on the Boat Show so Peel Holdings should not invest in the Port of Liverpool It follows that, in the wake of the Jimmy Savile scandal Southampton should scrap its plans for Dibden Bay. MerseyMart
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8:20pm Sat 17 Nov 12

phil maccavity says...

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
Proud
Just be careful about taking in too much media hype
I think you will find that the '5,000 jobs' figure from the Liverpool Container expansion has been rounded up by the local press from a local Liverpool study that actually said 4,200 jobs created by 2020!!!!!!
The Liverpool media has a bit of form here. They regularly claim that each cruise ship calling into Liverpool brings in £1m to the local economy.
Where did this information come from?
A survey undertaken by Soton City Council back in 2007 which has very little relevance to Liverpool but sounds good to promote to the good people of Liverpool to justify expenditure on a loss making cruise terminal
I can assure you I am not taken in by the media hype.

The planned proposals however for the Port of Liverpool are far greater than you or any of the posters on this site will have ever imagined and the full master plan is detailed in the documents available in the list of pdf files listed below.

These plans are in addition to the plans for Liverpool Waters and Wirral Waters which have recently been granted planning permission.

The site for the International Trade Centre is currently being cleared and is expected to be finished late 2013.

I would like to suggest that you spend some time browsing the documents listed below, then you might get a better insight into the scale of this development


PDF files available

http://www.merseydoc



ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/



masterplan/Plans.pdf





http://www.merseydoc



ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/



masterplan/Interim_R



eport.pdf

http://www.merseydoc



ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/



masterplan/Executive



_Summary.pdf

http://www.merseydoc



ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/



masterplan/Consultat



ion_Draft.pdf
Proud,
I congratulate all the people concerned with these plans. It shows energy, foresight and drive.
If the plans can be fully developed using the same commercially driven funding arrangements that apply in this area, then well done to all.
However a lot of people I have spoken to on Merseyside think all these plans are done deals.
Eric Pickles still has to decide whether the Liverpool Waters plans go to an expensive Public Inquiry which will take time. Peel Holdings then have to raise the £5.5b cost and then develop the scheme over a 30-50 year horizon.
Oh and the Mersey Docks Master Plan was produced by Peel Holdings who own Liverpool Port. You can probably find that every major UK Port (including Soton) has produced something similar in the past year or two detailing the wonderful progress they are going to make in the next decade or so.
Don't be taken in too much with the fine words contained within the document!!
Phil Maccavity,

I have never said that this project was a done deal, all I have tried to explain to you and everyone else on this site is the fact that the Post-Panamax development at the Liverpool container terminal is only a small part of a very important scheme.

" PORT of Liverpool owner Peel Ports has taken a significant step towards commencing a £250m investment on the Mersey.

It has appointed Douglas Coleman, on of the UK's most experienced project directors, as its programme director for the construction of the planned in-river Post-Panamax container terminal at Seaforth.

The purpose of Mr Coleman’s role is to take charge of the landmark container terminal project, which also involves the development of other key related projects along the length of the Manchester Ship Canal, including Port Bridgewater and Port Salford "


Read More http://www.liverpool

dailypost.co.uk/ldpb

usiness/business-loc

al/2012/02/09/peel-p

orts-appoints-direct

or-to-oversee-post-p

anamax-construction-

99623-30293391/#ixzz

2CURJsAQ3

I live in Wallasey on the other side of the river mersey from Liverpool.
3 miles from where I live the International Trade Centre is currently under construction, this development is a joint £200 million pound scheme with China. It has not been funded by the tax payer.
It is a done deal and is now under construction.
Proud
I think it is great that Peel and Wirral Council have progressed the first part of the Wirral Waters Scheme on the back of significant external investment.
This is how it should be and even the granting of the £1.4m BIS grant to provide trees and shrubs to the scheme is compatible.
I also hope that the rest of the Wirral Waters, Liverpool Waters and Liverpool 2 Scheme progress as planned.
To be fair Peel do seem to have a good track record as evidenced by their efforts in Manchester.
What irks me has been the waste of Tax Payers money on a number of projects in Liverpool, including the Boat Show, the Cruise Terminal, the Leeds/Liverpool canal extension, the Mersey Travel/John West deal, etc etc
Liverpool business people have always been creative. In recent years the availability of shed loads of EU/UK Grant Funding has led to investment in Grandiose Schemes which may not necessarily be the best interests of the locals and certainly not commercially sustainable.
Let's hope the sense of commercial reality returns.
Best of luck
[quote][p][bold]Proud from LIVERPOOL[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Proud from LIVERPOOL[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: Proud Just be careful about taking in too much media hype I think you will find that the '5,000 jobs' figure from the Liverpool Container expansion has been rounded up by the local press from a local Liverpool study that actually said 4,200 jobs created by 2020!!!!!! The Liverpool media has a bit of form here. They regularly claim that each cruise ship calling into Liverpool brings in £1m to the local economy. Where did this information come from? A survey undertaken by Soton City Council back in 2007 which has very little relevance to Liverpool but sounds good to promote to the good people of Liverpool to justify expenditure on a loss making cruise terminal[/p][/quote]I can assure you I am not taken in by the media hype. The planned proposals however for the Port of Liverpool are far greater than you or any of the posters on this site will have ever imagined and the full master plan is detailed in the documents available in the list of pdf files listed below. These plans are in addition to the plans for Liverpool Waters and Wirral Waters which have recently been granted planning permission. The site for the International Trade Centre is currently being cleared and is expected to be finished late 2013. I would like to suggest that you spend some time browsing the documents listed below, then you might get a better insight into the scale of this development PDF files available http://www.merseydoc ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/ masterplan/Plans.pdf http://www.merseydoc ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/ masterplan/Interim_R eport.pdf http://www.merseydoc ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/ masterplan/Executive _Summary.pdf http://www.merseydoc ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/ masterplan/Consultat ion_Draft.pdf[/p][/quote]Proud, I congratulate all the people concerned with these plans. It shows energy, foresight and drive. If the plans can be fully developed using the same commercially driven funding arrangements that apply in this area, then well done to all. However a lot of people I have spoken to on Merseyside think all these plans are done deals. Eric Pickles still has to decide whether the Liverpool Waters plans go to an expensive Public Inquiry which will take time. Peel Holdings then have to raise the £5.5b cost and then develop the scheme over a 30-50 year horizon. Oh and the Mersey Docks Master Plan was produced by Peel Holdings who own Liverpool Port. You can probably find that every major UK Port (including Soton) has produced something similar in the past year or two detailing the wonderful progress they are going to make in the next decade or so. Don't be taken in too much with the fine words contained within the document!![/p][/quote]Phil Maccavity, I have never said that this project was a done deal, all I have tried to explain to you and everyone else on this site is the fact that the Post-Panamax development at the Liverpool container terminal is only a small part of a very important scheme. " PORT of Liverpool owner Peel Ports has taken a significant step towards commencing a £250m investment on the Mersey. It has appointed Douglas Coleman, on of the UK's most experienced project directors, as its programme director for the construction of the planned in-river Post-Panamax container terminal at Seaforth. The purpose of Mr Coleman’s role is to take charge of the landmark container terminal project, which also involves the development of other key related projects along the length of the Manchester Ship Canal, including Port Bridgewater and Port Salford " Read More http://www.liverpool dailypost.co.uk/ldpb usiness/business-loc al/2012/02/09/peel-p orts-appoints-direct or-to-oversee-post-p anamax-construction- 99623-30293391/#ixzz 2CURJsAQ3 I live in Wallasey on the other side of the river mersey from Liverpool. 3 miles from where I live the International Trade Centre is currently under construction, this development is a joint £200 million pound scheme with China. It has not been funded by the tax payer. It is a done deal and is now under construction.[/p][/quote]Proud I think it is great that Peel and Wirral Council have progressed the first part of the Wirral Waters Scheme on the back of significant external investment. This is how it should be and even the granting of the £1.4m BIS grant to provide trees and shrubs to the scheme is compatible. I also hope that the rest of the Wirral Waters, Liverpool Waters and Liverpool 2 Scheme progress as planned. To be fair Peel do seem to have a good track record as evidenced by their efforts in Manchester. What irks me has been the waste of Tax Payers money on a number of projects in Liverpool, including the Boat Show, the Cruise Terminal, the Leeds/Liverpool canal extension, the Mersey Travel/John West deal, etc etc Liverpool business people have always been creative. In recent years the availability of shed loads of EU/UK Grant Funding has led to investment in Grandiose Schemes which may not necessarily be the best interests of the locals and certainly not commercially sustainable. Let's hope the sense of commercial reality returns. Best of luck phil maccavity
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8:52pm Sat 17 Nov 12

loosehead says...

MerseyMart wrote:
OK, I'm beginning to get the idea now.

25% of Southampton's citizens are Polish and so Liverpool should not expand its container port.

Liverpool City Council wasted money on the Boat Show so Peel Holdings should not invest in the Port of Liverpool

It follows that, in the wake of the Jimmy Savile scandal Southampton should scrap its plans for Dibden Bay.
Look I was just trying to say the down side to job creation but hey this time you've done it the right way & this port & city have no complaints so why are you lot on here having a go at us?
[quote][p][bold]MerseyMart[/bold] wrote: OK, I'm beginning to get the idea now. 25% of Southampton's citizens are Polish and so Liverpool should not expand its container port. Liverpool City Council wasted money on the Boat Show so Peel Holdings should not invest in the Port of Liverpool It follows that, in the wake of the Jimmy Savile scandal Southampton should scrap its plans for Dibden Bay.[/p][/quote]Look I was just trying to say the down side to job creation but hey this time you've done it the right way & this port & city have no complaints so why are you lot on here having a go at us? loosehead
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8:59pm Sat 17 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
Proud
Just be careful about taking in too much media hype
I think you will find that the '5,000 jobs' figure from the Liverpool Container expansion has been rounded up by the local press from a local Liverpool study that actually said 4,200 jobs created by 2020!!!!!!
The Liverpool media has a bit of form here. They regularly claim that each cruise ship calling into Liverpool brings in £1m to the local economy.
Where did this information come from?
A survey undertaken by Soton City Council back in 2007 which has very little relevance to Liverpool but sounds good to promote to the good people of Liverpool to justify expenditure on a loss making cruise terminal
I can assure you I am not taken in by the media hype.

The planned proposals however for the Port of Liverpool are far greater than you or any of the posters on this site will have ever imagined and the full master plan is detailed in the documents available in the list of pdf files listed below.

These plans are in addition to the plans for Liverpool Waters and Wirral Waters which have recently been granted planning permission.

The site for the International Trade Centre is currently being cleared and is expected to be finished late 2013.

I would like to suggest that you spend some time browsing the documents listed below, then you might get a better insight into the scale of this development


PDF files available

http://www.merseydoc



ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/



masterplan/Plans.pdf





http://www.merseydoc



ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/



masterplan/Interim_R



eport.pdf

http://www.merseydoc



ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/



masterplan/Executive



_Summary.pdf

http://www.merseydoc



ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/



masterplan/Consultat



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Proud,
I congratulate all the people concerned with these plans. It shows energy, foresight and drive.
If the plans can be fully developed using the same commercially driven funding arrangements that apply in this area, then well done to all.
However a lot of people I have spoken to on Merseyside think all these plans are done deals.
Eric Pickles still has to decide whether the Liverpool Waters plans go to an expensive Public Inquiry which will take time. Peel Holdings then have to raise the £5.5b cost and then develop the scheme over a 30-50 year horizon.
Oh and the Mersey Docks Master Plan was produced by Peel Holdings who own Liverpool Port. You can probably find that every major UK Port (including Soton) has produced something similar in the past year or two detailing the wonderful progress they are going to make in the next decade or so.
Don't be taken in too much with the fine words contained within the document!!
Phil Maccavity,

I have never said that this project was a done deal, all I have tried to explain to you and everyone else on this site is the fact that the Post-Panamax development at the Liverpool container terminal is only a small part of a very important scheme.

" PORT of Liverpool owner Peel Ports has taken a significant step towards commencing a £250m investment on the Mersey.

It has appointed Douglas Coleman, on of the UK's most experienced project directors, as its programme director for the construction of the planned in-river Post-Panamax container terminal at Seaforth.

The purpose of Mr Coleman’s role is to take charge of the landmark container terminal project, which also involves the development of other key related projects along the length of the Manchester Ship Canal, including Port Bridgewater and Port Salford "


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I live in Wallasey on the other side of the river mersey from Liverpool.
3 miles from where I live the International Trade Centre is currently under construction, this development is a joint £200 million pound scheme with China. It has not been funded by the tax payer.
It is a done deal and is now under construction.
So what estate will Joe Anderson sell to developers now?
Klondikes sold which one next Toxteth?
I really don't get why you & who's laughing now come on these posts & have a dig at us?
we aren't objecting to your Container Port just remember Felixstowe stalled our upgrades to our container facilities for years are they one of the ones objecting to your modernisation program?
Surely now open hostility between our two cities can cease & you can direct your venom at the objectors to your container port?
[quote][p][bold]Proud from LIVERPOOL[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Proud from LIVERPOOL[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: Proud Just be careful about taking in too much media hype I think you will find that the '5,000 jobs' figure from the Liverpool Container expansion has been rounded up by the local press from a local Liverpool study that actually said 4,200 jobs created by 2020!!!!!! The Liverpool media has a bit of form here. They regularly claim that each cruise ship calling into Liverpool brings in £1m to the local economy. Where did this information come from? A survey undertaken by Soton City Council back in 2007 which has very little relevance to Liverpool but sounds good to promote to the good people of Liverpool to justify expenditure on a loss making cruise terminal[/p][/quote]I can assure you I am not taken in by the media hype. The planned proposals however for the Port of Liverpool are far greater than you or any of the posters on this site will have ever imagined and the full master plan is detailed in the documents available in the list of pdf files listed below. These plans are in addition to the plans for Liverpool Waters and Wirral Waters which have recently been granted planning permission. The site for the International Trade Centre is currently being cleared and is expected to be finished late 2013. I would like to suggest that you spend some time browsing the documents listed below, then you might get a better insight into the scale of this development PDF files available http://www.merseydoc ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/ masterplan/Plans.pdf http://www.merseydoc ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/ masterplan/Interim_R eport.pdf http://www.merseydoc ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/ masterplan/Executive _Summary.pdf http://www.merseydoc ks.co.uk/assets/pdf/ masterplan/Consultat ion_Draft.pdf[/p][/quote]Proud, I congratulate all the people concerned with these plans. It shows energy, foresight and drive. If the plans can be fully developed using the same commercially driven funding arrangements that apply in this area, then well done to all. However a lot of people I have spoken to on Merseyside think all these plans are done deals. Eric Pickles still has to decide whether the Liverpool Waters plans go to an expensive Public Inquiry which will take time. Peel Holdings then have to raise the £5.5b cost and then develop the scheme over a 30-50 year horizon. Oh and the Mersey Docks Master Plan was produced by Peel Holdings who own Liverpool Port. You can probably find that every major UK Port (including Soton) has produced something similar in the past year or two detailing the wonderful progress they are going to make in the next decade or so. Don't be taken in too much with the fine words contained within the document!![/p][/quote]Phil Maccavity, I have never said that this project was a done deal, all I have tried to explain to you and everyone else on this site is the fact that the Post-Panamax development at the Liverpool container terminal is only a small part of a very important scheme. " PORT of Liverpool owner Peel Ports has taken a significant step towards commencing a £250m investment on the Mersey. It has appointed Douglas Coleman, on of the UK's most experienced project directors, as its programme director for the construction of the planned in-river Post-Panamax container terminal at Seaforth. The purpose of Mr Coleman’s role is to take charge of the landmark container terminal project, which also involves the development of other key related projects along the length of the Manchester Ship Canal, including Port Bridgewater and Port Salford " Read More http://www.liverpool dailypost.co.uk/ldpb usiness/business-loc al/2012/02/09/peel-p orts-appoints-direct or-to-oversee-post-p anamax-construction- 99623-30293391/#ixzz 2CURJsAQ3 I live in Wallasey on the other side of the river mersey from Liverpool. 3 miles from where I live the International Trade Centre is currently under construction, this development is a joint £200 million pound scheme with China. It has not been funded by the tax payer. It is a done deal and is now under construction.[/p][/quote]So what estate will Joe Anderson sell to developers now? Klondikes sold which one next Toxteth? I really don't get why you & who's laughing now come on these posts & have a dig at us? we aren't objecting to your Container Port just remember Felixstowe stalled our upgrades to our container facilities for years are they one of the ones objecting to your modernisation program? Surely now open hostility between our two cities can cease & you can direct your venom at the objectors to your container port? loosehead
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10:23pm Sat 17 Nov 12

MerseyMart says...

loosehead wrote:
MerseyMart wrote:
OK, I'm beginning to get the idea now.

25% of Southampton's citizens are Polish and so Liverpool should not expand its container port.

Liverpool City Council wasted money on the Boat Show so Peel Holdings should not invest in the Port of Liverpool

It follows that, in the wake of the Jimmy Savile scandal Southampton should scrap its plans for Dibden Bay.
Look I was just trying to say the down side to job creation but hey this time you've done it the right way & this port & city have no complaints so why are you lot on here having a go at us?
Loosehead, I am refusing to take this story seriously. We have had a container port in Liverpool since the 70s and now we are seeking to expand it but find that, once again, we are 'muscling in' on Southampton's trade.

Actually, the Port of Liverpool is not in Liverpool, (at least not the part where the new container terminal is to be built). It is in Sefton, which is not under Joe Anderson's leadership. Oh and the Klondike estate is in Bootle, which is also in Sefton.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MerseyMart[/bold] wrote: OK, I'm beginning to get the idea now. 25% of Southampton's citizens are Polish and so Liverpool should not expand its container port. Liverpool City Council wasted money on the Boat Show so Peel Holdings should not invest in the Port of Liverpool It follows that, in the wake of the Jimmy Savile scandal Southampton should scrap its plans for Dibden Bay.[/p][/quote]Look I was just trying to say the down side to job creation but hey this time you've done it the right way & this port & city have no complaints so why are you lot on here having a go at us?[/p][/quote]Loosehead, I am refusing to take this story seriously. We have had a container port in Liverpool since the 70s and now we are seeking to expand it but find that, once again, we are 'muscling in' on Southampton's trade. Actually, the Port of Liverpool is not in Liverpool, (at least not the part where the new container terminal is to be built). It is in Sefton, which is not under Joe Anderson's leadership. Oh and the Klondike estate is in Bootle, which is also in Sefton. MerseyMart
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12:39am Sun 18 Nov 12

Proud from LIVERPOOL says...

loosehead wrote:
MerseyMart wrote:
OK, I'm beginning to get the idea now.

25% of Southampton's citizens are Polish and so Liverpool should not expand its container port.

Liverpool City Council wasted money on the Boat Show so Peel Holdings should not invest in the Port of Liverpool

It follows that, in the wake of the Jimmy Savile scandal Southampton should scrap its plans for Dibden Bay.
Look I was just trying to say the down side to job creation but hey this time you've done it the right way & this port & city have no complaints so why are you lot on here having a go at us?
Loosehead,

If you take the time of day to look at any article in this paper which covers anything involving my home city of Liverpool, you cannot get away from the fact that this paper deliberately concocts controversial headlines to promote sales of this rag.

I do not always agree with things done under the label " Liverpool ", but I am proud to be born and bred in Liverpool.

From what I read in this paper , there appears to be a lot of people who are not proud to originate from Southampton ( the name " Southy " and " andysaint007 " come straight to mind ).

If you are proud of your birthplace then you should be proud enough to defend it from malicious statements.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MerseyMart[/bold] wrote: OK, I'm beginning to get the idea now. 25% of Southampton's citizens are Polish and so Liverpool should not expand its container port. Liverpool City Council wasted money on the Boat Show so Peel Holdings should not invest in the Port of Liverpool It follows that, in the wake of the Jimmy Savile scandal Southampton should scrap its plans for Dibden Bay.[/p][/quote]Look I was just trying to say the down side to job creation but hey this time you've done it the right way & this port & city have no complaints so why are you lot on here having a go at us?[/p][/quote]Loosehead, If you take the time of day to look at any article in this paper which covers anything involving my home city of Liverpool, you cannot get away from the fact that this paper deliberately concocts controversial headlines to promote sales of this rag. I do not always agree with things done under the label " Liverpool ", but I am proud to be born and bred in Liverpool. From what I read in this paper , there appears to be a lot of people who are not proud to originate from Southampton ( the name " Southy " and " andysaint007 " come straight to mind ). If you are proud of your birthplace then you should be proud enough to defend it from malicious statements. Proud from LIVERPOOL
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8:54am Sun 18 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
loosehead wrote:
MerseyMart wrote:
OK, I'm beginning to get the idea now.

25% of Southampton's citizens are Polish and so Liverpool should not expand its container port.

Liverpool City Council wasted money on the Boat Show so Peel Holdings should not invest in the Port of Liverpool

It follows that, in the wake of the Jimmy Savile scandal Southampton should scrap its plans for Dibden Bay.
Look I was just trying to say the down side to job creation but hey this time you've done it the right way & this port & city have no complaints so why are you lot on here having a go at us?
Loosehead,

If you take the time of day to look at any article in this paper which covers anything involving my home city of Liverpool, you cannot get away from the fact that this paper deliberately concocts controversial headlines to promote sales of this rag.

I do not always agree with things done under the label " Liverpool ", but I am proud to be born and bred in Liverpool.

From what I read in this paper , there appears to be a lot of people who are not proud to originate from Southampton ( the name " Southy " and " andysaint007 " come straight to mind ).

If you are proud of your birthplace then you should be proud enough to defend it from malicious statements.
Southy sings yours or any other cities praises rather than sing Southampton's praises but I know what your saying.
As many of my family live in Liverpool or Merseyside & my dad was from Liverpool & proud of that fact I actually take pride in my Liverpool roots.
The Echo has to sell papers so the best way is with controversial headlines like those of this article.
They were Anti Tory & now are being accused of being Anti union?
I was against the changing of the use of the day visit terminal to turnaround status but that's now history.
We applied 4-6 years ago to upgrade our Container Port but Felixstowe objected & it's taken that long for the Government Department to come to a decision.
Now you applied for money to dredge the Mersey & now want to improve your container facilities We have no objections as you've done it the right way.
But we hear Felixstowe & one or two other Ports are complaining & trying to stop it?
I & many down here including ABP wish you all the best.
the bit about Eastern Europeans was me reacting silly to some of the scouse posts.
[quote][p][bold]Proud from LIVERPOOL[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MerseyMart[/bold] wrote: OK, I'm beginning to get the idea now. 25% of Southampton's citizens are Polish and so Liverpool should not expand its container port. Liverpool City Council wasted money on the Boat Show so Peel Holdings should not invest in the Port of Liverpool It follows that, in the wake of the Jimmy Savile scandal Southampton should scrap its plans for Dibden Bay.[/p][/quote]Look I was just trying to say the down side to job creation but hey this time you've done it the right way & this port & city have no complaints so why are you lot on here having a go at us?[/p][/quote]Loosehead, If you take the time of day to look at any article in this paper which covers anything involving my home city of Liverpool, you cannot get away from the fact that this paper deliberately concocts controversial headlines to promote sales of this rag. I do not always agree with things done under the label " Liverpool ", but I am proud to be born and bred in Liverpool. From what I read in this paper , there appears to be a lot of people who are not proud to originate from Southampton ( the name " Southy " and " andysaint007 " come straight to mind ). If you are proud of your birthplace then you should be proud enough to defend it from malicious statements.[/p][/quote]Southy sings yours or any other cities praises rather than sing Southampton's praises but I know what your saying. As many of my family live in Liverpool or Merseyside & my dad was from Liverpool & proud of that fact I actually take pride in my Liverpool roots. The Echo has to sell papers so the best way is with controversial headlines like those of this article. They were Anti Tory & now are being accused of being Anti union? I was against the changing of the use of the day visit terminal to turnaround status but that's now history. We applied 4-6 years ago to upgrade our Container Port but Felixstowe objected & it's taken that long for the Government Department to come to a decision. Now you applied for money to dredge the Mersey & now want to improve your container facilities We have no objections as you've done it the right way. But we hear Felixstowe & one or two other Ports are complaining & trying to stop it? I & many down here including ABP wish you all the best. the bit about Eastern Europeans was me reacting silly to some of the scouse posts. loosehead
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11:17am Sun 18 Nov 12

Proud from LIVERPOOL says...

loosehead wrote:
Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
loosehead wrote:
MerseyMart wrote:
OK, I'm beginning to get the idea now.

25% of Southampton's citizens are Polish and so Liverpool should not expand its container port.

Liverpool City Council wasted money on the Boat Show so Peel Holdings should not invest in the Port of Liverpool

It follows that, in the wake of the Jimmy Savile scandal Southampton should scrap its plans for Dibden Bay.
Look I was just trying to say the down side to job creation but hey this time you've done it the right way & this port & city have no complaints so why are you lot on here having a go at us?
Loosehead,

If you take the time of day to look at any article in this paper which covers anything involving my home city of Liverpool, you cannot get away from the fact that this paper deliberately concocts controversial headlines to promote sales of this rag.

I do not always agree with things done under the label " Liverpool ", but I am proud to be born and bred in Liverpool.

From what I read in this paper , there appears to be a lot of people who are not proud to originate from Southampton ( the name " Southy " and " andysaint007 " come straight to mind ).

If you are proud of your birthplace then you should be proud enough to defend it from malicious statements.
Southy sings yours or any other cities praises rather than sing Southampton's praises but I know what your saying.
As many of my family live in Liverpool or Merseyside & my dad was from Liverpool & proud of that fact I actually take pride in my Liverpool roots.
The Echo has to sell papers so the best way is with controversial headlines like those of this article.
They were Anti Tory & now are being accused of being Anti union?
I was against the changing of the use of the day visit terminal to turnaround status but that's now history.
We applied 4-6 years ago to upgrade our Container Port but Felixstowe objected & it's taken that long for the Government Department to come to a decision.
Now you applied for money to dredge the Mersey & now want to improve your container facilities We have no objections as you've done it the right way.
But we hear Felixstowe & one or two other Ports are complaining & trying to stop it?
I & many down here including ABP wish you all the best.
the bit about Eastern Europeans was me reacting silly to some of the scouse posts.
Loosehead,

I like, most people from Liverpool have a very good sense of humour and can enjoy a good laugh including some which are directed at me or my home city. Rest assured, I did not take offence at you pun on East Europeans taking jobs.
What I take offence at is the British media ( especially the press ) who perpetuate a very false viewl of everything North of Watfod and especially Liverpool.

I will always correct any false impression of my home city if it is in anyway biased or based on false and innaccurate information.
Remember all the lies and accusations about Hillsborough perpetuated by the media ( The truth is out now, if you think the Jimmy Saville scandal is horrendous , just imagine what a can of worms the perversion of the course of justice by the Police and establishment will be like when more details come out in the fresh inquests that have got to be held ).

Judging by some of the articles in this paper Southampton is no worse, and indeed no better than Liverpool.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Proud from LIVERPOOL[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MerseyMart[/bold] wrote: OK, I'm beginning to get the idea now. 25% of Southampton's citizens are Polish and so Liverpool should not expand its container port. Liverpool City Council wasted money on the Boat Show so Peel Holdings should not invest in the Port of Liverpool It follows that, in the wake of the Jimmy Savile scandal Southampton should scrap its plans for Dibden Bay.[/p][/quote]Look I was just trying to say the down side to job creation but hey this time you've done it the right way & this port & city have no complaints so why are you lot on here having a go at us?[/p][/quote]Loosehead, If you take the time of day to look at any article in this paper which covers anything involving my home city of Liverpool, you cannot get away from the fact that this paper deliberately concocts controversial headlines to promote sales of this rag. I do not always agree with things done under the label " Liverpool ", but I am proud to be born and bred in Liverpool. From what I read in this paper , there appears to be a lot of people who are not proud to originate from Southampton ( the name " Southy " and " andysaint007 " come straight to mind ). If you are proud of your birthplace then you should be proud enough to defend it from malicious statements.[/p][/quote]Southy sings yours or any other cities praises rather than sing Southampton's praises but I know what your saying. As many of my family live in Liverpool or Merseyside & my dad was from Liverpool & proud of that fact I actually take pride in my Liverpool roots. The Echo has to sell papers so the best way is with controversial headlines like those of this article. They were Anti Tory & now are being accused of being Anti union? I was against the changing of the use of the day visit terminal to turnaround status but that's now history. We applied 4-6 years ago to upgrade our Container Port but Felixstowe objected & it's taken that long for the Government Department to come to a decision. Now you applied for money to dredge the Mersey & now want to improve your container facilities We have no objections as you've done it the right way. But we hear Felixstowe & one or two other Ports are complaining & trying to stop it? I & many down here including ABP wish you all the best. the bit about Eastern Europeans was me reacting silly to some of the scouse posts.[/p][/quote]Loosehead, I like, most people from Liverpool have a very good sense of humour and can enjoy a good laugh including some which are directed at me or my home city. Rest assured, I did not take offence at you pun on East Europeans taking jobs. What I take offence at is the British media ( especially the press ) who perpetuate a very false viewl of everything North of Watfod and especially Liverpool. I will always correct any false impression of my home city if it is in anyway biased or based on false and innaccurate information. Remember all the lies and accusations about Hillsborough perpetuated by the media ( The truth is out now, if you think the Jimmy Saville scandal is horrendous , just imagine what a can of worms the perversion of the course of justice by the Police and establishment will be like when more details come out in the fresh inquests that have got to be held ). Judging by some of the articles in this paper Southampton is no worse, and indeed no better than Liverpool. Proud from LIVERPOOL
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1:52pm Sun 18 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
loosehead wrote:
MerseyMart wrote:
OK, I'm beginning to get the idea now.

25% of Southampton's citizens are Polish and so Liverpool should not expand its container port.

Liverpool City Council wasted money on the Boat Show so Peel Holdings should not invest in the Port of Liverpool

It follows that, in the wake of the Jimmy Savile scandal Southampton should scrap its plans for Dibden Bay.
Look I was just trying to say the down side to job creation but hey this time you've done it the right way & this port & city have no complaints so why are you lot on here having a go at us?
Loosehead,

If you take the time of day to look at any article in this paper which covers anything involving my home city of Liverpool, you cannot get away from the fact that this paper deliberately concocts controversial headlines to promote sales of this rag.

I do not always agree with things done under the label " Liverpool ", but I am proud to be born and bred in Liverpool.

From what I read in this paper , there appears to be a lot of people who are not proud to originate from Southampton ( the name " Southy " and " andysaint007 " come straight to mind ).

If you are proud of your birthplace then you should be proud enough to defend it from malicious statements.
Southy sings yours or any other cities praises rather than sing Southampton's praises but I know what your saying.
As many of my family live in Liverpool or Merseyside & my dad was from Liverpool & proud of that fact I actually take pride in my Liverpool roots.
The Echo has to sell papers so the best way is with controversial headlines like those of this article.
They were Anti Tory & now are being accused of being Anti union?
I was against the changing of the use of the day visit terminal to turnaround status but that's now history.
We applied 4-6 years ago to upgrade our Container Port but Felixstowe objected & it's taken that long for the Government Department to come to a decision.
Now you applied for money to dredge the Mersey & now want to improve your container facilities We have no objections as you've done it the right way.
But we hear Felixstowe & one or two other Ports are complaining & trying to stop it?
I & many down here including ABP wish you all the best.
the bit about Eastern Europeans was me reacting silly to some of the scouse posts.
Loosehead,

I like, most people from Liverpool have a very good sense of humour and can enjoy a good laugh including some which are directed at me or my home city. Rest assured, I did not take offence at you pun on East Europeans taking jobs.
What I take offence at is the British media ( especially the press ) who perpetuate a very false viewl of everything North of Watfod and especially Liverpool.

I will always correct any false impression of my home city if it is in anyway biased or based on false and innaccurate information.
Remember all the lies and accusations about Hillsborough perpetuated by the media ( The truth is out now, if you think the Jimmy Saville scandal is horrendous , just imagine what a can of worms the perversion of the course of justice by the Police and establishment will be like when more details come out in the fresh inquests that have got to be held ).

Judging by some of the articles in this paper Southampton is no worse, and indeed no better than Liverpool.
My wife hates the cold & at this moment is on holiday in Thailand.
We see programs about Liverpool & we see the difference in house prices & she says could we move there?
I say okay let's go but then she get's told it's wetter & colder by her sister & she changes her mind?
I have nothing against your city & feel it's great that you have pride in it but your own comedians have helped to spread the idea of what liverpool people are like.
Of course not all Scousers are like this & any way If we don't have cause to debate before Merry Christmas & A Happy New Year
[quote][p][bold]Proud from LIVERPOOL[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Proud from LIVERPOOL[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MerseyMart[/bold] wrote: OK, I'm beginning to get the idea now. 25% of Southampton's citizens are Polish and so Liverpool should not expand its container port. Liverpool City Council wasted money on the Boat Show so Peel Holdings should not invest in the Port of Liverpool It follows that, in the wake of the Jimmy Savile scandal Southampton should scrap its plans for Dibden Bay.[/p][/quote]Look I was just trying to say the down side to job creation but hey this time you've done it the right way & this port & city have no complaints so why are you lot on here having a go at us?[/p][/quote]Loosehead, If you take the time of day to look at any article in this paper which covers anything involving my home city of Liverpool, you cannot get away from the fact that this paper deliberately concocts controversial headlines to promote sales of this rag. I do not always agree with things done under the label " Liverpool ", but I am proud to be born and bred in Liverpool. From what I read in this paper , there appears to be a lot of people who are not proud to originate from Southampton ( the name " Southy " and " andysaint007 " come straight to mind ). If you are proud of your birthplace then you should be proud enough to defend it from malicious statements.[/p][/quote]Southy sings yours or any other cities praises rather than sing Southampton's praises but I know what your saying. As many of my family live in Liverpool or Merseyside & my dad was from Liverpool & proud of that fact I actually take pride in my Liverpool roots. The Echo has to sell papers so the best way is with controversial headlines like those of this article. They were Anti Tory & now are being accused of being Anti union? I was against the changing of the use of the day visit terminal to turnaround status but that's now history. We applied 4-6 years ago to upgrade our Container Port but Felixstowe objected & it's taken that long for the Government Department to come to a decision. Now you applied for money to dredge the Mersey & now want to improve your container facilities We have no objections as you've done it the right way. But we hear Felixstowe & one or two other Ports are complaining & trying to stop it? I & many down here including ABP wish you all the best. the bit about Eastern Europeans was me reacting silly to some of the scouse posts.[/p][/quote]Loosehead, I like, most people from Liverpool have a very good sense of humour and can enjoy a good laugh including some which are directed at me or my home city. Rest assured, I did not take offence at you pun on East Europeans taking jobs. What I take offence at is the British media ( especially the press ) who perpetuate a very false viewl of everything North of Watfod and especially Liverpool. I will always correct any false impression of my home city if it is in anyway biased or based on false and innaccurate information. Remember all the lies and accusations about Hillsborough perpetuated by the media ( The truth is out now, if you think the Jimmy Saville scandal is horrendous , just imagine what a can of worms the perversion of the course of justice by the Police and establishment will be like when more details come out in the fresh inquests that have got to be held ). Judging by some of the articles in this paper Southampton is no worse, and indeed no better than Liverpool.[/p][/quote]My wife hates the cold & at this moment is on holiday in Thailand. We see programs about Liverpool & we see the difference in house prices & she says could we move there? I say okay let's go but then she get's told it's wetter & colder by her sister & she changes her mind? I have nothing against your city & feel it's great that you have pride in it but your own comedians have helped to spread the idea of what liverpool people are like. Of course not all Scousers are like this & any way If we don't have cause to debate before Merry Christmas & A Happy New Year loosehead
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12:56pm Mon 19 Nov 12

phil maccavity says...

Just in case our ill informed resident harbinger of doom is watching (and you know who you are Southy), apparently the worlds lagest Container ship 'Marco Polo' is due to call Soton next month (see the ship's website).
So much for Southy's predication that Soton is unable to handle big ships!!!
Just in case our ill informed resident harbinger of doom is watching (and you know who you are Southy), apparently the worlds lagest Container ship 'Marco Polo' is due to call Soton next month (see the ship's website). So much for Southy's predication that Soton is unable to handle big ships!!! phil maccavity
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3:05pm Wed 28 Nov 12

Who's laughing now says...

Portsmouth enjoys cruise ships boom
IT’S full steam ahead for Portsmouth’s future, as next year will see the city’s port busier with cruise ships than ever before.

More people will be using the city to start and end their cruises in 2013, as well as visiting on day trips.

It means that plans to invest millions on improving the city’s infrastructure and shopping and building hotels, should pay off as more people come to stay.

Among those visitors will be passengers on board Wind Surf, the world’s largest sailing ship.

Her visit will be one of 50 cruise ship visits next year, an increase of 43 per cent.

Port manager Martin Putman said ‘What’s great is that 90 per cent of them are repeat customers, a sure sign that once operators discover what we have to offer they keep coming back for more.’

That’s thanks in part to work that has been done on the port’s layout, and not least its new terminal building.

Mike Hancock, who as cabinet member for planning, regeneration and economic development for Portsmouth City Council, works with the port’s management, said: ‘This is brilliant news.

‘It’s not just people coming into Portsmouth for day trips – more people will be starting and finishing their journeys here, which means they might need to stay overnight, and spend some time in Portsmouth and south Hampshire.’

The port’s increasing appeal fits into the council’s plan to regenerate the city.

During the next few years the Northern Quarter shopping centre in Commercial Road should be open and plans are afoot by Gunwharf Quays owner Land Securities and Bouyges Development to regenerate The Hard.

There are also plans to make the roads in the city better able to handle traffic moving around the island, especially towards the southern end.

And there are conversations between the port and the Ministry of Defence over getting more land freed up so the port would be able to take larger liners.

Cllr Hancock added: ‘That would be fantastic for the city’s future.’

Next week around 2,000 people are due to visit the port for the launch of a new cruise ship, when Voyages of Discovery will be officially naming its newest ship Voyager in a ceremony at the port.
Portsmouth enjoys cruise ships boom IT’S full steam ahead for Portsmouth’s future, as next year will see the city’s port busier with cruise ships than ever before. More people will be using the city to start and end their cruises in 2013, as well as visiting on day trips. It means that plans to invest millions on improving the city’s infrastructure and shopping and building hotels, should pay off as more people come to stay. Among those visitors will be passengers on board Wind Surf, the world’s largest sailing ship. Her visit will be one of 50 cruise ship visits next year, an increase of 43 per cent. Port manager Martin Putman said ‘What’s great is that 90 per cent of them are repeat customers, a sure sign that once operators discover what we have to offer they keep coming back for more.’ That’s thanks in part to work that has been done on the port’s layout, and not least its new terminal building. Mike Hancock, who as cabinet member for planning, regeneration and economic development for Portsmouth City Council, works with the port’s management, said: ‘This is brilliant news. ‘It’s not just people coming into Portsmouth for day trips – more people will be starting and finishing their journeys here, which means they might need to stay overnight, and spend some time in Portsmouth and south Hampshire.’ The port’s increasing appeal fits into the council’s plan to regenerate the city. During the next few years the Northern Quarter shopping centre in Commercial Road should be open and plans are afoot by Gunwharf Quays owner Land Securities and Bouyges Development to regenerate The Hard. There are also plans to make the roads in the city better able to handle traffic moving around the island, especially towards the southern end. And there are conversations between the port and the Ministry of Defence over getting more land freed up so the port would be able to take larger liners. Cllr Hancock added: ‘That would be fantastic for the city’s future.’ Next week around 2,000 people are due to visit the port for the launch of a new cruise ship, when Voyages of Discovery will be officially naming its newest ship Voyager in a ceremony at the port. Who's laughing now
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3:19pm Wed 28 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Who's laughing now wrote:
Portsmouth enjoys cruise ships boom
IT’S full steam ahead for Portsmouth’s future, as next year will see the city’s port busier with cruise ships than ever before.

More people will be using the city to start and end their cruises in 2013, as well as visiting on day trips.

It means that plans to invest millions on improving the city’s infrastructure and shopping and building hotels, should pay off as more people come to stay.

Among those visitors will be passengers on board Wind Surf, the world’s largest sailing ship.

Her visit will be one of 50 cruise ship visits next year, an increase of 43 per cent.

Port manager Martin Putman said ‘What’s great is that 90 per cent of them are repeat customers, a sure sign that once operators discover what we have to offer they keep coming back for more.’

That’s thanks in part to work that has been done on the port’s layout, and not least its new terminal building.

Mike Hancock, who as cabinet member for planning, regeneration and economic development for Portsmouth City Council, works with the port’s management, said: ‘This is brilliant news.

‘It’s not just people coming into Portsmouth for day trips – more people will be starting and finishing their journeys here, which means they might need to stay overnight, and spend some time in Portsmouth and south Hampshire.’

The port’s increasing appeal fits into the council’s plan to regenerate the city.

During the next few years the Northern Quarter shopping centre in Commercial Road should be open and plans are afoot by Gunwharf Quays owner Land Securities and Bouyges Development to regenerate The Hard.

There are also plans to make the roads in the city better able to handle traffic moving around the island, especially towards the southern end.

And there are conversations between the port and the Ministry of Defence over getting more land freed up so the port would be able to take larger liners.

Cllr Hancock added: ‘That would be fantastic for the city’s future.’

Next week around 2,000 people are due to visit the port for the launch of a new cruise ship, when Voyages of Discovery will be officially naming its newest ship Voyager in a ceremony at the port.
Who's Laughing now Portsmouth are no threat to Southampton but are to Liverpool.
Portsmouth caters for smaller medium sized ships & remember they backed your bid only to turn their back on you & openly oppose you so why are you posting this?
[quote][p][bold]Who's laughing now[/bold] wrote: Portsmouth enjoys cruise ships boom IT’S full steam ahead for Portsmouth’s future, as next year will see the city’s port busier with cruise ships than ever before. More people will be using the city to start and end their cruises in 2013, as well as visiting on day trips. It means that plans to invest millions on improving the city’s infrastructure and shopping and building hotels, should pay off as more people come to stay. Among those visitors will be passengers on board Wind Surf, the world’s largest sailing ship. Her visit will be one of 50 cruise ship visits next year, an increase of 43 per cent. Port manager Martin Putman said ‘What’s great is that 90 per cent of them are repeat customers, a sure sign that once operators discover what we have to offer they keep coming back for more.’ That’s thanks in part to work that has been done on the port’s layout, and not least its new terminal building. Mike Hancock, who as cabinet member for planning, regeneration and economic development for Portsmouth City Council, works with the port’s management, said: ‘This is brilliant news. ‘It’s not just people coming into Portsmouth for day trips – more people will be starting and finishing their journeys here, which means they might need to stay overnight, and spend some time in Portsmouth and south Hampshire.’ The port’s increasing appeal fits into the council’s plan to regenerate the city. During the next few years the Northern Quarter shopping centre in Commercial Road should be open and plans are afoot by Gunwharf Quays owner Land Securities and Bouyges Development to regenerate The Hard. There are also plans to make the roads in the city better able to handle traffic moving around the island, especially towards the southern end. And there are conversations between the port and the Ministry of Defence over getting more land freed up so the port would be able to take larger liners. Cllr Hancock added: ‘That would be fantastic for the city’s future.’ Next week around 2,000 people are due to visit the port for the launch of a new cruise ship, when Voyages of Discovery will be officially naming its newest ship Voyager in a ceremony at the port.[/p][/quote]Who's Laughing now Portsmouth are no threat to Southampton but are to Liverpool. Portsmouth caters for smaller medium sized ships & remember they backed your bid only to turn their back on you & openly oppose you so why are you posting this? loosehead
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10:51am Fri 30 Nov 12

phil maccavity says...

Fair play to Portsmouth. 50 calls is good going for a small to medium port.
Similar number of calls to Liverpool but a lot less than the 450 or so expected to call in Soton next year
To put further into context the 'Wind Surf' (the 'world's largest sailing ship) carries the grand total of 308 passengers!!!
I am not sure whether they will make the same economic impact on Portsmouth as the 4,500 passengers and crew make in Soton when the bigger ships call!!
Fair play to Portsmouth. 50 calls is good going for a small to medium port. Similar number of calls to Liverpool but a lot less than the 450 or so expected to call in Soton next year To put further into context the 'Wind Surf' (the 'world's largest sailing ship) carries the grand total of 308 passengers!!! I am not sure whether they will make the same economic impact on Portsmouth as the 4,500 passengers and crew make in Soton when the bigger ships call!! phil maccavity
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