PM announces further £3m Gaza aid

A Palestinian man rests after receiving treatment for injuries caused by an Israeli strike at a UN school in the Jebaliya refugee camp (AP)

A Palestinian man rests after receiving treatment for injuries caused by an Israeli strike at a UN school in the Jebaliya refugee camp (AP)

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The Prime Minister announced an extra £3 million aid for Gaza today as he again called for an unconditional ceasefire to stop the conflict.

David Cameron said Britain had already given £7 million in aid but, questioned about the conflict at an event today, added: "And I can announce today we are going to give an further £3 million of aid to help make sure the people in Gaza have the basic necessities of life, the food, the shelter and the assistance that they need."

He again repeated the call for both Israel and Hamas to put down their weapons - but blamed Hamas for breaking ceasefires.

"We should be very clear that we want an unconditional, immediate, humanitarian ceasefire that applies to everybody," he said.

"What we are seeing happening in Gaza is completely tragic and ghastly, the loss of life is appalling, it is heart-rending watching these scenes on our television.

"But while calling for an unconditional, immediate ceasefire, we do have to be clear about a couple of points.

"Yes, it is awful what is happening in Gaza and the loss of life, but we do have to remember, whenever we have had a ceasefire in the last few days, it has been a ceasefire that has been obeyed and observed by the Israelis but it has not been observed by Hamas.

"Hamas continue the rocket attacks that are not aimed at military targets or political targets. They are aimed, indiscriminately, into Israel in order to do the maximum damage they possibly can.

"And so we do have to understand that that has to stop in order for there to be a lasting ceasefire."

The Prime Minister, speaking at a "Cameron Direct" question-and-answer session in Warrington, Cheshire, said he "worried" because the "facts on the ground" were "beginning to make a two-state solution impossible".

The extra £3 million he announced today will fund an emergency food programme for Gaza's 1.8 million population.

An estimated 1,200 Palestinians and 55 Israelis have been killed in the conflict.

Israel launched its offensive in Gaza after a surge in rocket fire from the territory.

Hamas, which controls Gaza, has said it will not stop fighting until a blockade on the area, maintained by both Israel and Egypt, is lifted.

Announcing the new aid, International Development Secretary Justine Greening said: "After more than three weeks of fighting, the death toll in Gaza is rising and more than 200,000 people, many of them children, have been displaced from their homes. We urgently need to stop the bloodshed: we continue to call for an unconditional and immediate humanitarian ceasefire to prevent any more needless suffering.

"The situation in Gaza is dire. The UK is helping to meet immediate needs, including with this latest contribution of £3 million which will get food to hundreds of thousands of vulnerable people.

"All sides must adhere to international humanitarian law, all feasible precautions must be taken to avoid harm to civilians, and all sides must allow aid agencies unimpeded access to get to those in desperate need."

Access to food is an increasing issue of concern in Gaza, with the United Nations reporting shortages and sharp increases in the prices of certain products.

Meanwhile, Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond appealed for an immediate ceasefire from both sides, but refused to say whether he regarded Israel's military action as a "disproportionate" response to the firing of rockets from Gaza.

Asked five times on BBC Radio 4's Today programme whether he thought Israel's military action was disproportionate, Mr Hammond said there would be a proper evaluation of the offensive "in the fullness of time".

His reticence on the issue contrasts with comments by Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg, who earlier this month accused Israel of imposing a "disproportionate form of collective punishment" on Gaza.

The Foreign Secretary initially said "disproportionate" was an "emotive word", before adding: "What Israel does in Gaza must be proportionate. That's a requirement of international law.

"It would not be legal if it was not proportionate."

Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby called for a renewed commitment to political dialogue from both sides in the conflict, warning that their current strategies are "self defeating".

And he described violence and abuse directed at Jewish people in the UK, which has risen since the outbreak of the current crisis, as "unacceptable".

In a statement released by Lambeth Palace, the Archbishop said: " While humanitarian relief for those civilians most affected is a priority, especially women and children, we must also recognise that this conflict underlines the importance of renewing a commitment to political dialogue in the wider search for peace and security for both Israeli and Palestinian. The destructive cycle of violence has caused untold suffering and threatens the security of all.

"For all sides to persist with their current strategy, be it threatening security by the indiscriminate firing of rockets at civilian areas or aerial bombing which increasingly fails to distinguish between combatants and non-combatants, is self-defeating.

"The bombing of civilian areas, and their use to shelter rocket launches, are both breaches of age-old customs for the conduct of war. Further political impasse, acts of terror, economic blockades or sanctions and clashes over land and settlements, all increase the alienation of those affected.

"Populations condemned to hopelessness or living under fear will be violent. Such actions create more conflict, more deaths and will in the end lead to an even greater disaster than the one being faced today. The road to reconciliation is hard, but ultimately the only route to security. It is the responsibility of all leaders to protect the innocent, not only in the conduct of war but in setting the circumstances for a just and sustainable peace."

He added: "While it is acceptable to question and even disagree with particular policies of the Israeli government, the spike in violence and abuse against Jewish communities here in the UK is simply unacceptable. We must not allow such hostility to disrupt the good relations we cherish among people of all faiths. Rather we must look at ways at working together to show our concern and support for those of goodwill on all sides working for peace."

The Archbishop of Canterbury, the Most Rev Justin Welby, condemned a "destructive cycle of violence" which had caused "untold" suffering and threatened the security of all.

"For all sides to persist with their current strategy, be it threatening security by the indiscriminate firing of rockets at civilian areas or aerial bombing which increasingly fails to distinguish between combatants and non-combatants, is self-defeating," he said.

"The bombing of civilian areas, and their use to shelter rocket launches, are both breaches of age old customs for the conduct of war.

"Further political impasse, acts of terror, economic blockades or sanctions and clashes over land and settlements, all increase the alienation of those affected.

"Populations condemned to hopelessness or living under fear will be violent. Such actions create more conflict, more deaths and will in the end lead to an even greater disaster than the one being faced today.

"The road to reconciliation is hard, but ultimately the only route to security.

"It is the responsibility of all leaders to protect the innocent, not only in the conduct of war but in setting the circumstances for a just and sustainable peace."

He added that while it was "acceptable" to question and even disagree with particular policies of the Israeli Government, the recent spike in violence and abuse against Jewish communities in the UK was "simply unacceptable".

"We must not allow such hostility to disrupt the good relations we cherish among people of all faiths," he said.

"Rather we must look at ways at working together to show our concern and support for those of goodwill on all sides working for peace."

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7:27pm Wed 30 Jul 14

cj07589 says...

We are witnessing the systematic targeting of woman, children essentially the extermination of a ethnic race and the best Cameron can offer is this! Shame on the human race to turn the other way, whilst Israelis carries out modern day state sponsored genocide.
The striking similarities with the behaviour and inhumanity of the infamous despised Nazi regime is very disturbing.
When are the politians going to do something about this crisis of moral conscience??
We are witnessing the systematic targeting of woman, children essentially the extermination of a ethnic race and the best Cameron can offer is this! Shame on the human race to turn the other way, whilst Israelis carries out modern day state sponsored genocide. The striking similarities with the behaviour and inhumanity of the infamous despised Nazi regime is very disturbing. When are the politians going to do something about this crisis of moral conscience?? cj07589
  • Score: 8

7:40pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

cj07589 wrote:
We are witnessing the systematic targeting of woman, children essentially the extermination of a ethnic race and the best Cameron can offer is this! Shame on the human race to turn the other way, whilst Israelis carries out modern day state sponsored genocide.
The striking similarities with the behaviour and inhumanity of the infamous despised Nazi regime is very disturbing.
When are the politians going to do something about this crisis of moral conscience??
Men and other genders also get killed by bombs too, cj - not being female or young doesn't simply make someone invulnerable to incendiary devices and bullets despite the Hollywood macho Rambo myth. The Palestinians are the same 'ethnic race' as many of the Israelis: i.e. Semites. What's going on today is more akin to the allied bombing of Dresden or the axis bombing of Coventry, for example than the deliberate extermination, slavery unto death and scientific experimentation on human beings that the Nazi regime during the Third Reich was guilty of. Don't forget too, that under Hamas rule in Gaza homosexuality carries the death penalty. Btw...you're not the same 'cj' whose responsible for a certain blog on the internet, are you?
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: We are witnessing the systematic targeting of woman, children essentially the extermination of a ethnic race and the best Cameron can offer is this! Shame on the human race to turn the other way, whilst Israelis carries out modern day state sponsored genocide. The striking similarities with the behaviour and inhumanity of the infamous despised Nazi regime is very disturbing. When are the politians going to do something about this crisis of moral conscience??[/p][/quote]Men and other genders also get killed by bombs too, cj - not being female or young doesn't simply make someone invulnerable to incendiary devices and bullets despite the Hollywood macho Rambo myth. The Palestinians are the same 'ethnic race' as many of the Israelis: i.e. Semites. What's going on today is more akin to the allied bombing of Dresden or the axis bombing of Coventry, for example than the deliberate extermination, slavery unto death and scientific experimentation on human beings that the Nazi regime during the Third Reich was guilty of. Don't forget too, that under Hamas rule in Gaza homosexuality carries the death penalty. Btw...you're not the same 'cj' whose responsible for a certain blog on the internet, are you? Katie Re-Registered
  • Score: -2

7:53pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Shropshirelad says...

What is so obscene, is not only our Prime Minister trotting out hook, line and sinker every last excuse that the liars in Tel Aviv use to justify their actions but he genuinely expects the British public to believe the Israelis and himself. Then we have a Foreign Secretary who, by any shot of the imagination must surely be the biggest insult that a British Prime Minister has ever placed in such a high position. Asked 5 times - on two occasions whether the Israeli response was proportionate or disproportionate, this awful creature refused to say but just quoted all the reasons the Israelis give for obliterating a race of people. I sincerely hope that both pay the price at the next election. Cameron shames and demeans every single person in this country and if any of his underlings read this, WE DO NOT BELIEVE HIM, he has the blood of thousands on his hands.
Now, purely for electoral purposes he gives the Palestinians a little "pressy". What he should be demanding is that the Israelis stop telling lies to justify their massacres, make total reparations for what they have done, return all land and property and behave like civilised people. But then, if Cameron condones and encourages the killing of thousands of Palestinians, they wont want so much aid next time will they.
What is so obscene, is not only our Prime Minister trotting out hook, line and sinker every last excuse that the liars in Tel Aviv use to justify their actions but he genuinely expects the British public to believe the Israelis and himself. Then we have a Foreign Secretary who, by any shot of the imagination must surely be the biggest insult that a British Prime Minister has ever placed in such a high position. Asked 5 times - on two occasions whether the Israeli response was proportionate or disproportionate, this awful creature refused to say but just quoted all the reasons the Israelis give for obliterating a race of people. I sincerely hope that both pay the price at the next election. Cameron shames and demeans every single person in this country and if any of his underlings read this, WE DO NOT BELIEVE HIM, he has the blood of thousands on his hands. Now, purely for electoral purposes he gives the Palestinians a little "pressy". What he should be demanding is that the Israelis stop telling lies to justify their massacres, make total reparations for what they have done, return all land and property and behave like civilised people. But then, if Cameron condones and encourages the killing of thousands of Palestinians, they wont want so much aid next time will they. Shropshirelad
  • Score: 7

11:59pm Wed 30 Jul 14

arvs69 says...

Shropshirelad wrote:
What is so obscene, is not only our Prime Minister trotting out hook, line and sinker every last excuse that the liars in Tel Aviv use to justify their actions but he genuinely expects the British public to believe the Israelis and himself. Then we have a Foreign Secretary who, by any shot of the imagination must surely be the biggest insult that a British Prime Minister has ever placed in such a high position. Asked 5 times - on two occasions whether the Israeli response was proportionate or disproportionate, this awful creature refused to say but just quoted all the reasons the Israelis give for obliterating a race of people. I sincerely hope that both pay the price at the next election. Cameron shames and demeans every single person in this country and if any of his underlings read this, WE DO NOT BELIEVE HIM, he has the blood of thousands on his hands.
Now, purely for electoral purposes he gives the Palestinians a little "pressy". What he should be demanding is that the Israelis stop telling lies to justify their massacres, make total reparations for what they have done, return all land and property and behave like civilised people. But then, if Cameron condones and encourages the killing of thousands of Palestinians, they wont want so much aid next time will they.
Well said Shropshirelad, not just Cameron but the whole of the Western leaders are spectators in the genocide of a whole nation (Palestinians) at the hands of Zionists. There is no difference between what Hitler did to the Jewish people and what Netanyahu is doing today albeit with the approval of the Western governments. The sad reality is the real Jews who follow the Torah are silenced and kept away from the media. The media companies are complicit in this and will not report anyrhing which harms or puts the real agenda of the Zionists in public domain.
[quote][p][bold]Shropshirelad[/bold] wrote: What is so obscene, is not only our Prime Minister trotting out hook, line and sinker every last excuse that the liars in Tel Aviv use to justify their actions but he genuinely expects the British public to believe the Israelis and himself. Then we have a Foreign Secretary who, by any shot of the imagination must surely be the biggest insult that a British Prime Minister has ever placed in such a high position. Asked 5 times - on two occasions whether the Israeli response was proportionate or disproportionate, this awful creature refused to say but just quoted all the reasons the Israelis give for obliterating a race of people. I sincerely hope that both pay the price at the next election. Cameron shames and demeans every single person in this country and if any of his underlings read this, WE DO NOT BELIEVE HIM, he has the blood of thousands on his hands. Now, purely for electoral purposes he gives the Palestinians a little "pressy". What he should be demanding is that the Israelis stop telling lies to justify their massacres, make total reparations for what they have done, return all land and property and behave like civilised people. But then, if Cameron condones and encourages the killing of thousands of Palestinians, they wont want so much aid next time will they.[/p][/quote]Well said Shropshirelad, not just Cameron but the whole of the Western leaders are spectators in the genocide of a whole nation (Palestinians) at the hands of Zionists. There is no difference between what Hitler did to the Jewish people and what Netanyahu is doing today albeit with the approval of the Western governments. The sad reality is the real Jews who follow the Torah are silenced and kept away from the media. The media companies are complicit in this and will not report anyrhing which harms or puts the real agenda of the Zionists in public domain. arvs69
  • Score: 6

7:03am Thu 31 Jul 14

cj07589 says...

Katie Re-Registered wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
We are witnessing the systematic targeting of woman, children essentially the extermination of a ethnic race and the best Cameron can offer is this! Shame on the human race to turn the other way, whilst Israelis carries out modern day state sponsored genocide.
The striking similarities with the behaviour and inhumanity of the infamous despised Nazi regime is very disturbing.
When are the politians going to do something about this crisis of moral conscience??
Men and other genders also get killed by bombs too, cj - not being female or young doesn't simply make someone invulnerable to incendiary devices and bullets despite the Hollywood macho Rambo myth. The Palestinians are the same 'ethnic race' as many of the Israelis: i.e. Semites. What's going on today is more akin to the allied bombing of Dresden or the axis bombing of Coventry, for example than the deliberate extermination, slavery unto death and scientific experimentation on human beings that the Nazi regime during the Third Reich was guilty of. Don't forget too, that under Hamas rule in Gaza homosexuality carries the death penalty. Btw...you're not the same 'cj' whose responsible for a certain blog on the internet, are you?
I disagree as John Prescott has said Gaza is a modern day concentration camp its inhabitants are persecuted excluded from work have no running water or power and are bombed indiscriminately. They have nothing to live for which arguably is a sentence worse than death itself, the way they have been treated and abused by Israel goes along way to explain why they hate Israel so much and rightly deserved.
No I don't blog i bearly get time to catch up on news but this matter is a truely sickening inditement of human nature.
[quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: We are witnessing the systematic targeting of woman, children essentially the extermination of a ethnic race and the best Cameron can offer is this! Shame on the human race to turn the other way, whilst Israelis carries out modern day state sponsored genocide. The striking similarities with the behaviour and inhumanity of the infamous despised Nazi regime is very disturbing. When are the politians going to do something about this crisis of moral conscience??[/p][/quote]Men and other genders also get killed by bombs too, cj - not being female or young doesn't simply make someone invulnerable to incendiary devices and bullets despite the Hollywood macho Rambo myth. The Palestinians are the same 'ethnic race' as many of the Israelis: i.e. Semites. What's going on today is more akin to the allied bombing of Dresden or the axis bombing of Coventry, for example than the deliberate extermination, slavery unto death and scientific experimentation on human beings that the Nazi regime during the Third Reich was guilty of. Don't forget too, that under Hamas rule in Gaza homosexuality carries the death penalty. Btw...you're not the same 'cj' whose responsible for a certain blog on the internet, are you?[/p][/quote]I disagree as John Prescott has said Gaza is a modern day concentration camp its inhabitants are persecuted excluded from work have no running water or power and are bombed indiscriminately. They have nothing to live for which arguably is a sentence worse than death itself, the way they have been treated and abused by Israel goes along way to explain why they hate Israel so much and rightly deserved. No I don't blog i bearly get time to catch up on news but this matter is a truely sickening inditement of human nature. cj07589
  • Score: 5

1:19pm Thu 31 Jul 14

pte says...

The Palestinians are Sunni Muslims yet Hamas are allied to Hezbollah who are Shia Muslims killing Sunni Muslims in Syria. Go figure that one!

When they kill 3 teenagers they have to expect a reaction and when they fire rockets, some at a nuclear reactor they have to expect a reaction. They knew what would happen if they didn't behave themselves and yet they moan when it happens.

Most of those in the UN schools are Hamas who had their houses bombed and the UN has admitted that rockets have been fired from the schools in at least 4 cases

If they don't want to be flattened stop firing rockets then Israel will be forced to stop but that isn't what Hamas wants

What Israel is doing is providing a sharp wrap on the knuckles to Hamas, if they wanted to they could easily bomb the lot but they are showing a lot of restraint
The Palestinians are Sunni Muslims yet Hamas are allied to Hezbollah who are Shia Muslims killing Sunni Muslims in Syria. Go figure that one! When they kill 3 teenagers they have to expect a reaction and when they fire rockets, some at a nuclear reactor they have to expect a reaction. They knew what would happen if they didn't behave themselves and yet they moan when it happens. Most of those in the UN schools are Hamas who had their houses bombed and the UN has admitted that rockets have been fired from the schools in at least 4 cases If they don't want to be flattened stop firing rockets then Israel will be forced to stop but that isn't what Hamas wants What Israel is doing is providing a sharp wrap on the knuckles to Hamas, if they wanted to they could easily bomb the lot but they are showing a lot of restraint pte
  • Score: 2

4:04pm Thu 31 Jul 14

arvs69 says...

pte wrote:
The Palestinians are Sunni Muslims yet Hamas are allied to Hezbollah who are Shia Muslims killing Sunni Muslims in Syria. Go figure that one!

When they kill 3 teenagers they have to expect a reaction and when they fire rockets, some at a nuclear reactor they have to expect a reaction. They knew what would happen if they didn't behave themselves and yet they moan when it happens.

Most of those in the UN schools are Hamas who had their houses bombed and the UN has admitted that rockets have been fired from the schools in at least 4 cases

If they don't want to be flattened stop firing rockets then Israel will be forced to stop but that isn't what Hamas wants

What Israel is doing is providing a sharp wrap on the knuckles to Hamas, if they wanted to they could easily bomb the lot but they are showing a lot of restraint
It's a disgraceful argument to put foward. If I was to throw you out of your own house, I'm pretty sure your aren't that restrained to put garland of flowers around my neck. You make me sick with your petty Nazis/Zionist excuses.
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: The Palestinians are Sunni Muslims yet Hamas are allied to Hezbollah who are Shia Muslims killing Sunni Muslims in Syria. Go figure that one! When they kill 3 teenagers they have to expect a reaction and when they fire rockets, some at a nuclear reactor they have to expect a reaction. They knew what would happen if they didn't behave themselves and yet they moan when it happens. Most of those in the UN schools are Hamas who had their houses bombed and the UN has admitted that rockets have been fired from the schools in at least 4 cases If they don't want to be flattened stop firing rockets then Israel will be forced to stop but that isn't what Hamas wants What Israel is doing is providing a sharp wrap on the knuckles to Hamas, if they wanted to they could easily bomb the lot but they are showing a lot of restraint[/p][/quote]It's a disgraceful argument to put foward. If I was to throw you out of your own house, I'm pretty sure your aren't that restrained to put garland of flowers around my neck. You make me sick with your petty Nazis/Zionist excuses. arvs69
  • Score: 1

4:15pm Thu 31 Jul 14

cj07589 says...

pte wrote:
The Palestinians are Sunni Muslims yet Hamas are allied to Hezbollah who are Shia Muslims killing Sunni Muslims in Syria. Go figure that one!

When they kill 3 teenagers they have to expect a reaction and when they fire rockets, some at a nuclear reactor they have to expect a reaction. They knew what would happen if they didn't behave themselves and yet they moan when it happens.

Most of those in the UN schools are Hamas who had their houses bombed and the UN has admitted that rockets have been fired from the schools in at least 4 cases

If they don't want to be flattened stop firing rockets then Israel will be forced to stop but that isn't what Hamas wants

What Israel is doing is providing a sharp wrap on the knuckles to Hamas, if they wanted to they could easily bomb the lot but they are showing a lot of restraint
No what they are doing is unproportionate excessive and Inhumane. There are NO excuses for the deliberate targeting of woman & children full stop. To be fair if they were even lucky enough to damage a nuclear power station with their firework equivalent missiles then I'm sure there will be a fair proportion who would agree that they had it coming to the them. I certainly wouldn't be shedding any tears, especially when you see proof on TV of Israels nasty racist Zionist underbelly and their blatant calls for systematic targeting of innocent babies, children, hospitals, schools, power stations etc etc etc.
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: The Palestinians are Sunni Muslims yet Hamas are allied to Hezbollah who are Shia Muslims killing Sunni Muslims in Syria. Go figure that one! When they kill 3 teenagers they have to expect a reaction and when they fire rockets, some at a nuclear reactor they have to expect a reaction. They knew what would happen if they didn't behave themselves and yet they moan when it happens. Most of those in the UN schools are Hamas who had their houses bombed and the UN has admitted that rockets have been fired from the schools in at least 4 cases If they don't want to be flattened stop firing rockets then Israel will be forced to stop but that isn't what Hamas wants What Israel is doing is providing a sharp wrap on the knuckles to Hamas, if they wanted to they could easily bomb the lot but they are showing a lot of restraint[/p][/quote]No what they are doing is unproportionate excessive and Inhumane. There are NO excuses for the deliberate targeting of woman & children full stop. To be fair if they were even lucky enough to damage a nuclear power station with their firework equivalent missiles then I'm sure there will be a fair proportion who would agree that they had it coming to the them. I certainly wouldn't be shedding any tears, especially when you see proof on TV of Israels nasty racist Zionist underbelly and their blatant calls for systematic targeting of innocent babies, children, hospitals, schools, power stations etc etc etc. cj07589
  • Score: 1

4:24pm Thu 31 Jul 14

cj07589 says...

arvs69 wrote:
pte wrote:
The Palestinians are Sunni Muslims yet Hamas are allied to Hezbollah who are Shia Muslims killing Sunni Muslims in Syria. Go figure that one!

When they kill 3 teenagers they have to expect a reaction and when they fire rockets, some at a nuclear reactor they have to expect a reaction. They knew what would happen if they didn't behave themselves and yet they moan when it happens.

Most of those in the UN schools are Hamas who had their houses bombed and the UN has admitted that rockets have been fired from the schools in at least 4 cases

If they don't want to be flattened stop firing rockets then Israel will be forced to stop but that isn't what Hamas wants

What Israel is doing is providing a sharp wrap on the knuckles to Hamas, if they wanted to they could easily bomb the lot but they are showing a lot of restraint
It's a disgraceful argument to put foward. If I was to throw you out of your own house, I'm pretty sure your aren't that restrained to put garland of flowers around my neck. You make me sick with your petty Nazis/Zionist excuses.
Well said, these racist Zionists have absolutely no place in a civilised decent society. They are simply projecting generations of hate, distrust and angry toward themselves.
I'm pledging donations to the people of Gaza and have boycotted all Israel products and most certainly will not stand for their vial vitriol.
[quote][p][bold]arvs69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: The Palestinians are Sunni Muslims yet Hamas are allied to Hezbollah who are Shia Muslims killing Sunni Muslims in Syria. Go figure that one! When they kill 3 teenagers they have to expect a reaction and when they fire rockets, some at a nuclear reactor they have to expect a reaction. They knew what would happen if they didn't behave themselves and yet they moan when it happens. Most of those in the UN schools are Hamas who had their houses bombed and the UN has admitted that rockets have been fired from the schools in at least 4 cases If they don't want to be flattened stop firing rockets then Israel will be forced to stop but that isn't what Hamas wants What Israel is doing is providing a sharp wrap on the knuckles to Hamas, if they wanted to they could easily bomb the lot but they are showing a lot of restraint[/p][/quote]It's a disgraceful argument to put foward. If I was to throw you out of your own house, I'm pretty sure your aren't that restrained to put garland of flowers around my neck. You make me sick with your petty Nazis/Zionist excuses.[/p][/quote]Well said, these racist Zionists have absolutely no place in a civilised decent society. They are simply projecting generations of hate, distrust and angry toward themselves. I'm pledging donations to the people of Gaza and have boycotted all Israel products and most certainly will not stand for their vial vitriol. cj07589
  • Score: 0

6:36pm Thu 31 Jul 14

pte says...

arvs69 wrote:
pte wrote:
The Palestinians are Sunni Muslims yet Hamas are allied to Hezbollah who are Shia Muslims killing Sunni Muslims in Syria. Go figure that one!

When they kill 3 teenagers they have to expect a reaction and when they fire rockets, some at a nuclear reactor they have to expect a reaction. They knew what would happen if they didn't behave themselves and yet they moan when it happens.

Most of those in the UN schools are Hamas who had their houses bombed and the UN has admitted that rockets have been fired from the schools in at least 4 cases

If they don't want to be flattened stop firing rockets then Israel will be forced to stop but that isn't what Hamas wants

What Israel is doing is providing a sharp wrap on the knuckles to Hamas, if they wanted to they could easily bomb the lot but they are showing a lot of restraint
It's a disgraceful argument to put foward. If I was to throw you out of your own house, I'm pretty sure your aren't that restrained to put garland of flowers around my neck. You make me sick with your petty Nazis/Zionist excuses.
You're living in the UK, a democracy not the middle east now so please be tolerant to other people's opinions.

Hamas has no friends now. Even their fellow arabs the Egyptians have had enough of them. You can't expect sympathy when you get on a crowded bus and blow yourself up. Then to top it all you complain about the resultant security restrictions

Fact is more muslims have been killed by fellow muslims than by Jews. As I said before Hamas's mates Hezbollah are helping Assad to kill hundreds of thousands of "innocent" Sunni's in Syria. But you're not jumping up and down over that- I wonder why

Talk of genocide is ridiculous when only 1400 have been killed. If Israel wanted to commit genocide it would need do is drop a single bomb but is showing remarkable restraint.

All Hamas has to do is stop firing rockets and show you are willing to talk peace

What kind of organisation is it that refuses to agree unconditional ceasefire that would save it's people but won't because it's afraid of losing face?

Sorry but if you ask the average man in the street what they think, since 9/11 and 7/7, they couldn't care less about the Palestinians. So sacrificing your people to win support in the west is futile.

I'm angry because you lot stopped me from getting carbonated water from EcoStream but I expect the shop to reopen once the current fuss has died down
[quote][p][bold]arvs69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: The Palestinians are Sunni Muslims yet Hamas are allied to Hezbollah who are Shia Muslims killing Sunni Muslims in Syria. Go figure that one! When they kill 3 teenagers they have to expect a reaction and when they fire rockets, some at a nuclear reactor they have to expect a reaction. They knew what would happen if they didn't behave themselves and yet they moan when it happens. Most of those in the UN schools are Hamas who had their houses bombed and the UN has admitted that rockets have been fired from the schools in at least 4 cases If they don't want to be flattened stop firing rockets then Israel will be forced to stop but that isn't what Hamas wants What Israel is doing is providing a sharp wrap on the knuckles to Hamas, if they wanted to they could easily bomb the lot but they are showing a lot of restraint[/p][/quote]It's a disgraceful argument to put foward. If I was to throw you out of your own house, I'm pretty sure your aren't that restrained to put garland of flowers around my neck. You make me sick with your petty Nazis/Zionist excuses.[/p][/quote]You're living in the UK, a democracy not the middle east now so please be tolerant to other people's opinions. Hamas has no friends now. Even their fellow arabs the Egyptians have had enough of them. You can't expect sympathy when you get on a crowded bus and blow yourself up. Then to top it all you complain about the resultant security restrictions Fact is more muslims have been killed by fellow muslims than by Jews. As I said before Hamas's mates Hezbollah are helping Assad to kill hundreds of thousands of "innocent" Sunni's in Syria. But you're not jumping up and down over that- I wonder why Talk of genocide is ridiculous when only 1400 have been killed. If Israel wanted to commit genocide it would need do is drop a single bomb but is showing remarkable restraint. All Hamas has to do is stop firing rockets and show you are willing to talk peace What kind of organisation is it that refuses to agree unconditional ceasefire that would save it's people but won't because it's afraid of losing face? Sorry but if you ask the average man in the street what they think, since 9/11 and 7/7, they couldn't care less about the Palestinians. So sacrificing your people to win support in the west is futile. I'm angry because you lot stopped me from getting carbonated water from EcoStream but I expect the shop to reopen once the current fuss has died down pte
  • Score: 1

6:43pm Thu 31 Jul 14

pte says...

And by the way, while his people are being blown to bits, the leader of Hamas is safely enjoying life in a luxury 5 star hotel in Qatar spouting no surrender
And by the way, while his people are being blown to bits, the leader of Hamas is safely enjoying life in a luxury 5 star hotel in Qatar spouting no surrender pte
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7:01pm Thu 31 Jul 14

pte says...

cj07589 wrote:
pte wrote:
The Palestinians are Sunni Muslims yet Hamas are allied to Hezbollah who are Shia Muslims killing Sunni Muslims in Syria. Go figure that one!

When they kill 3 teenagers they have to expect a reaction and when they fire rockets, some at a nuclear reactor they have to expect a reaction. They knew what would happen if they didn't behave themselves and yet they moan when it happens.

Most of those in the UN schools are Hamas who had their houses bombed and the UN has admitted that rockets have been fired from the schools in at least 4 cases

If they don't want to be flattened stop firing rockets then Israel will be forced to stop but that isn't what Hamas wants

What Israel is doing is providing a sharp wrap on the knuckles to Hamas, if they wanted to they could easily bomb the lot but they are showing a lot of restraint
No what they are doing is unproportionate excessive and Inhumane. There are NO excuses for the deliberate targeting of woman & children full stop. To be fair if they were even lucky enough to damage a nuclear power station with their firework equivalent missiles then I'm sure there will be a fair proportion who would agree that they had it coming to the them. I certainly wouldn't be shedding any tears, especially when you see proof on TV of Israels nasty racist Zionist underbelly and their blatant calls for systematic targeting of innocent babies, children, hospitals, schools, power stations etc etc etc.
So you're quite happy to see a rocket blow up a nuclear facility and not shed a tear about the millions that might die?

That kind of undermines your humanitarian credentials and says a lot about you. So why then should we accept your arguments?

The rockets may be ineffective but it only takes one to hit a crowded shopping centre.

If the blockade were lifted then over time Hamas would be able to get the materials to develop and improve the rockets. The response from the Israeli's would then quite understandably be terrifying. So Israel's current response is stopping matters getting to that level and paradoxically in the long run saving lives.

If it escalates there can only be one winner

As for Israeli's being racists that's understandable in the current climate but don't kid yourself about Hamas not being racist
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: The Palestinians are Sunni Muslims yet Hamas are allied to Hezbollah who are Shia Muslims killing Sunni Muslims in Syria. Go figure that one! When they kill 3 teenagers they have to expect a reaction and when they fire rockets, some at a nuclear reactor they have to expect a reaction. They knew what would happen if they didn't behave themselves and yet they moan when it happens. Most of those in the UN schools are Hamas who had their houses bombed and the UN has admitted that rockets have been fired from the schools in at least 4 cases If they don't want to be flattened stop firing rockets then Israel will be forced to stop but that isn't what Hamas wants What Israel is doing is providing a sharp wrap on the knuckles to Hamas, if they wanted to they could easily bomb the lot but they are showing a lot of restraint[/p][/quote]No what they are doing is unproportionate excessive and Inhumane. There are NO excuses for the deliberate targeting of woman & children full stop. To be fair if they were even lucky enough to damage a nuclear power station with their firework equivalent missiles then I'm sure there will be a fair proportion who would agree that they had it coming to the them. I certainly wouldn't be shedding any tears, especially when you see proof on TV of Israels nasty racist Zionist underbelly and their blatant calls for systematic targeting of innocent babies, children, hospitals, schools, power stations etc etc etc.[/p][/quote]So you're quite happy to see a rocket blow up a nuclear facility and not shed a tear about the millions that might die? That kind of undermines your humanitarian credentials and says a lot about you. So why then should we accept your arguments? The rockets may be ineffective but it only takes one to hit a crowded shopping centre. If the blockade were lifted then over time Hamas would be able to get the materials to develop and improve the rockets. The response from the Israeli's would then quite understandably be terrifying. So Israel's current response is stopping matters getting to that level and paradoxically in the long run saving lives. If it escalates there can only be one winner As for Israeli's being racists that's understandable in the current climate but don't kid yourself about Hamas not being racist pte
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7:42pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Shropshirelad says...

PTE, your comments are an absolute travesty of the truth. You should be thoroughly, thoroughly ashamed of yourself and your words are not worthy of comment as almost every one is incorrect or a downright distortion of the facts. Some three points only warrant a comment however to expose your baseless comments.

1. The Israelis have no proof whatsoever that it was Hamas who killed the three Israelis, but you appear to have been to Israel, found the proof and have a case against the Palestinians. Pray tell us all what this "proof" is which justifies your lie - the Israelis would certainly pay much for the information.

2. Where is the nuclear reactor that you allege had rockets fired at it. The Israelis deny they possess nuclear facilities/arms (but we all know that is a lie) and the Israeli citizens themselves don't know where the site is (but some of us know that it is at Dimona) so how do the Palestinians know in order to fire rockets at it.

3. Have you seen the results of a rocket attack, you say that one would blow up a crowded shopping centre, I have seen the consequences of a rocket which hit a detached house. There was a hole in the wall some 15 inches in diameter and minor damage caused by dust and rubble in the room adjoining.

You have been carried away and swallowed the lies and propaganda of Israel. Israel says 2,400 rockets have been fired into Israel in the past two years, funny, these potent, highly dangerous and explosive weapons in that time have only killed 3 or 4 civilians. Do you deny that if so, tell us of the thousands of Israelis that were killed by them.
PTE, your comments are an absolute travesty of the truth. You should be thoroughly, thoroughly ashamed of yourself and your words are not worthy of comment as almost every one is incorrect or a downright distortion of the facts. Some three points only warrant a comment however to expose your baseless comments. 1. The Israelis have no proof whatsoever that it was Hamas who killed the three Israelis, but you appear to have been to Israel, found the proof and have a case against the Palestinians. Pray tell us all what this "proof" is which justifies your lie - the Israelis would certainly pay much for the information. 2. Where is the nuclear reactor that you allege had rockets fired at it. The Israelis deny they possess nuclear facilities/arms (but we all know that is a lie) and the Israeli citizens themselves don't know where the site is (but some of us know that it is at Dimona) so how do the Palestinians know in order to fire rockets at it. 3. Have you seen the results of a rocket attack, you say that one would blow up a crowded shopping centre, I have seen the consequences of a rocket which hit a detached house. There was a hole in the wall some 15 inches in diameter and minor damage caused by dust and rubble in the room adjoining. You have been carried away and swallowed the lies and propaganda of Israel. Israel says 2,400 rockets have been fired into Israel in the past two years, funny, these potent, highly dangerous and explosive weapons in that time have only killed 3 or 4 civilians. Do you deny that if so, tell us of the thousands of Israelis that were killed by them. Shropshirelad
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8:11pm Thu 31 Jul 14

pte says...

Shropshirelad wrote:
PTE, your comments are an absolute travesty of the truth. You should be thoroughly, thoroughly ashamed of yourself and your words are not worthy of comment as almost every one is incorrect or a downright distortion of the facts. Some three points only warrant a comment however to expose your baseless comments.

1. The Israelis have no proof whatsoever that it was Hamas who killed the three Israelis, but you appear to have been to Israel, found the proof and have a case against the Palestinians. Pray tell us all what this "proof" is which justifies your lie - the Israelis would certainly pay much for the information.

2. Where is the nuclear reactor that you allege had rockets fired at it. The Israelis deny they possess nuclear facilities/arms (but we all know that is a lie) and the Israeli citizens themselves don't know where the site is (but some of us know that it is at Dimona) so how do the Palestinians know in order to fire rockets at it.

3. Have you seen the results of a rocket attack, you say that one would blow up a crowded shopping centre, I have seen the consequences of a rocket which hit a detached house. There was a hole in the wall some 15 inches in diameter and minor damage caused by dust and rubble in the room adjoining.

You have been carried away and swallowed the lies and propaganda of Israel. Israel says 2,400 rockets have been fired into Israel in the past two years, funny, these potent, highly dangerous and explosive weapons in that time have only killed 3 or 4 civilians. Do you deny that if so, tell us of the thousands of Israelis that were killed by them.
Mate, the rockets are not "fireworks" or mere "firecrackers" that can barely cross the border. Have you seen one? They are proper rockets about 3 metres tall and can reach northern Israel. The only thing they lack is a sophisticated guidance system.

I have never heard such utter none sense about Israel's actions being disproportionate. What do you expect Israel to do: lift the blockade and allow Hamas to to improve it's rockets?

If rockets were fired at Brighton, it wouldn't matter a jot if they were falling harmlessly into the sea, you'd all be telling the government to do something no matter how "disproportionate"

The current operation will in the long run save lives on both sides because if Hamas are allowed to develop better rockets the Israeli response would have to be massive. If Israel's action is half way through then the total loss of life will be 3000 tops, about the same as died during 9/11. But if action is not taken now the situation could get worse.

No one can answer my point about Hamas being allied to Hezbollah that are helping Assad to kill hundreds of thousands of Sunnis.

One poster said it's not acceptable to kill innocent Palestinians but it is OK if a few Jews get knocked out. They shouldn't get too upset as the rockets are pretty harmless. I'm sorry but that is racist. If you have humanitarian concerns you should be concerned about all human life regardless of which side.

Some of you left wing intellectuals may have met some Palestinian activists on campus but they are not as cuddly as you may think. I can tell you if you were in the Gaza strip as a westerner you wouldn't last 5 minutes.
[quote][p][bold]Shropshirelad[/bold] wrote: PTE, your comments are an absolute travesty of the truth. You should be thoroughly, thoroughly ashamed of yourself and your words are not worthy of comment as almost every one is incorrect or a downright distortion of the facts. Some three points only warrant a comment however to expose your baseless comments. 1. The Israelis have no proof whatsoever that it was Hamas who killed the three Israelis, but you appear to have been to Israel, found the proof and have a case against the Palestinians. Pray tell us all what this "proof" is which justifies your lie - the Israelis would certainly pay much for the information. 2. Where is the nuclear reactor that you allege had rockets fired at it. The Israelis deny they possess nuclear facilities/arms (but we all know that is a lie) and the Israeli citizens themselves don't know where the site is (but some of us know that it is at Dimona) so how do the Palestinians know in order to fire rockets at it. 3. Have you seen the results of a rocket attack, you say that one would blow up a crowded shopping centre, I have seen the consequences of a rocket which hit a detached house. There was a hole in the wall some 15 inches in diameter and minor damage caused by dust and rubble in the room adjoining. You have been carried away and swallowed the lies and propaganda of Israel. Israel says 2,400 rockets have been fired into Israel in the past two years, funny, these potent, highly dangerous and explosive weapons in that time have only killed 3 or 4 civilians. Do you deny that if so, tell us of the thousands of Israelis that were killed by them.[/p][/quote]Mate, the rockets are not "fireworks" or mere "firecrackers" that can barely cross the border. Have you seen one? They are proper rockets about 3 metres tall and can reach northern Israel. The only thing they lack is a sophisticated guidance system. I have never heard such utter none sense about Israel's actions being disproportionate. What do you expect Israel to do: lift the blockade and allow Hamas to to improve it's rockets? If rockets were fired at Brighton, it wouldn't matter a jot if they were falling harmlessly into the sea, you'd all be telling the government to do something no matter how "disproportionate" The current operation will in the long run save lives on both sides because if Hamas are allowed to develop better rockets the Israeli response would have to be massive. If Israel's action is half way through then the total loss of life will be 3000 tops, about the same as died during 9/11. But if action is not taken now the situation could get worse. No one can answer my point about Hamas being allied to Hezbollah that are helping Assad to kill hundreds of thousands of Sunnis. One poster said it's not acceptable to kill innocent Palestinians but it is OK if a few Jews get knocked out. They shouldn't get too upset as the rockets are pretty harmless. I'm sorry but that is racist. If you have humanitarian concerns you should be concerned about all human life regardless of which side. Some of you left wing intellectuals may have met some Palestinian activists on campus but they are not as cuddly as you may think. I can tell you if you were in the Gaza strip as a westerner you wouldn't last 5 minutes. pte
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8:20pm Thu 31 Jul 14

pte says...

And Shropshirelad, so Israeli politicians lie- tell me something I don't know. All politicians lie, British, American, Israeli and Hamas, it's just a matter of which you prefer.

The problem is that Israeli politicians want to get re-elected and at the moment the electorate are so worked up by rockets falling in their back garden that they are demanding the politicians do something

The politicians will listen to their electorate not to left wing intellectuals in the UK

So I say stop demonizing one side which is utterly racist and start looking at it from both sides
And Shropshirelad, so Israeli politicians lie- tell me something I don't know. All politicians lie, British, American, Israeli and Hamas, it's just a matter of which you prefer. The problem is that Israeli politicians want to get re-elected and at the moment the electorate are so worked up by rockets falling in their back garden that they are demanding the politicians do something The politicians will listen to their electorate not to left wing intellectuals in the UK So I say stop demonizing one side which is utterly racist and start looking at it from both sides pte
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11:40pm Thu 31 Jul 14

jimmysmith says...

a million people in this country now relying on foodbanks .all our public services are being ground into the dirt ,every tom dick and harry from all around the world are flooding onto this island of ours and sucking the life blood out of it and this traitor cameron is flippantly throwing billions of tax payers money at lost causes such as this . just makes me and millions like me all the more determined to vote ukip
a million people in this country now relying on foodbanks .all our public services are being ground into the dirt ,every tom dick and harry from all around the world are flooding onto this island of ours and sucking the life blood out of it and this traitor cameron is flippantly throwing billions of tax payers money at lost causes such as this . just makes me and millions like me all the more determined to vote ukip jimmysmith
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12:54am Fri 1 Aug 14

pte says...

jimmysmith wrote:
a million people in this country now relying on foodbanks .all our public services are being ground into the dirt ,every tom dick and harry from all around the world are flooding onto this island of ours and sucking the life blood out of it and this traitor cameron is flippantly throwing billions of tax payers money at lost causes such as this . just makes me and millions like me all the more determined to vote ukip
Right, you see the demonstrators going down Western rd oblivious to the fact that all along the pavement sit the down and outs swigging on their beer cans.

Aren't there enough problems in this country to get concerned about before worrying about other countries? They are so selective about their concerns with Israel being their number one concern

You see the demos outside the fizzy water store, each side trying to hang the largest flag. Shoppers just don't care, they just want to get in and out of Waitrose. Both sides just make themselves look like pratts

On top of that we have the March for England mob and the anti fascist mob both just as bad as each other. People have had enough and just want their streets back
[quote][p][bold]jimmysmith[/bold] wrote: a million people in this country now relying on foodbanks .all our public services are being ground into the dirt ,every tom dick and harry from all around the world are flooding onto this island of ours and sucking the life blood out of it and this traitor cameron is flippantly throwing billions of tax payers money at lost causes such as this . just makes me and millions like me all the more determined to vote ukip[/p][/quote]Right, you see the demonstrators going down Western rd oblivious to the fact that all along the pavement sit the down and outs swigging on their beer cans. Aren't there enough problems in this country to get concerned about before worrying about other countries? They are so selective about their concerns with Israel being their number one concern You see the demos outside the fizzy water store, each side trying to hang the largest flag. Shoppers just don't care, they just want to get in and out of Waitrose. Both sides just make themselves look like pratts On top of that we have the March for England mob and the anti fascist mob both just as bad as each other. People have had enough and just want their streets back pte
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11:41pm Tue 5 Aug 14

justjude43 says...

3 million a pittance when the tories have recieved 10 million in donations from ppeople and companies who are members of friends of israeli, also are making a packet selling missiles and drones to israeli. Just noticed JCB complaining about sanctions on Russia, as another major tory party donor expect a quick policy u-turn on Ukraine by Cameron
3 million a pittance when the tories have recieved 10 million in donations from ppeople and companies who are members of friends of israeli, also are making a packet selling missiles and drones to israeli. Just noticed JCB complaining about sanctions on Russia, as another major tory party donor expect a quick policy u-turn on Ukraine by Cameron justjude43
  • Score: 1
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