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12:01pm Thursday 9th July 2009
LAWRIE McMenemy has urged fans not to forget the debt of gratitude they owe to Leon Crouch.
The former football board chairman has come in for a bit of stick from some supporters for his unconfirmed involvement in the Pinnacle deal which collapsed, wasting valuable time over the summer.
But Crouch has been responsible for personally stumping up cash to keep the club going when administrator Mark Fry may otherwise have had to liquidate it.
McMenemy, pictured below, Saints’ legendary 1976 FA Cup winning manager, thinks that now Markus Liebherr’s takeover is completed, Crouch’s contribution by putting his money where his mouth was and keeping the club afloat – when other former board members didn’t – should always be remembered.
McMenemy – a former Saints football board colleague of Crouch’s – said: “My initial reaction is after nearly 100 days it is good the club’s future is ensured because after I first spoke to Mark Fry, when he called me in, he did put the cards on the table and painted a picture of how bad it was.
“Leon Crouch has got to be praised for personally keeping the club going financially from the end of last season until presumably the first money came in from the sale of a player.
“It should never be underestimated that if he hadn’t have done that, the a d m i n i s t r a t o r would have had no option but to finish the club.”
McMenemy says he has b e e n reminded of the significance of the club by the number of people that have approached him over the past few months to ask about its future.
That’s not only when he’s been at events locally but nationally as well – not least on Tuesday when a stream of people approached him at Buckingham Palace after he had been invited to the Queen’s garden party.
“The club has to go on. I’ve always said it’s an integral part of the community,” said McMenemy.
“The number of people I’ve had on my travels asking me how the club is, from taxi drivers to the man on the street to massive functions in London, is amazing.
“I couldn’t believe the amount of interest which reminds everybody we’ve had such a good name in the past.
“Hopefully that will carry on and eventually we will be part of the elite again in the top flight.
“I say ‘well done’ to the buyer.
“Now like everyone else I hope that the football side is concentrated on more now the financial side has been settled.
“Because after all, that is what the club is all about.
“We start with a ten point penalty and hopefully the right structure will be put in place and we will have players who are hungry for success and most importantly want to play for this football club.”
BrixtonSaint, London says...
12:09pm Thu 9 Jul 09
matt del torro, milan says...
12:10pm Thu 9 Jul 09
RobSaint, Soton/Oslo says...
12:16pm Thu 9 Jul 09
St Gary, Southampton says...
12:19pm Thu 9 Jul 09
Tirau Dan (NZL), Tirau (NZL) says...
12:19pm Thu 9 Jul 09
season ticket holder, totton says...
12:20pm Thu 9 Jul 09
matt del torro wrote:Hear hear !!
i would have thought lawrie might have helped out with the wages as he made a right killing on the shares after the "closed shop sale of shares" by askham and co .i know this as a fact
Jesus_02, Freemantle says...
12:24pm Thu 9 Jul 09
MR Southampton, Eastleigh says...
12:28pm Thu 9 Jul 09
Darkangelv2, Southampton says...
12:32pm Thu 9 Jul 09
Sickofitall, Embarassed - ville says...
12:34pm Thu 9 Jul 09
Nothing to say, Soton says...
12:34pm Thu 9 Jul 09
Rudd Gillett, Saffhampton says...
12:36pm Thu 9 Jul 09
seven777, southampton says...
12:37pm Thu 9 Jul 09
sarumsaint, salisbury says...
12:39pm Thu 9 Jul 09
MR Southampton wrote:What about what Mr McMenemy GAVE us:
Maybe if mr Mcmonemy had not taken so many shares from the club when we floated we would never of gone down this road.
A second biography awaits.
SFC and my part in its downfall by Lawrie mac.
LM you should get things off your chest at the pearly gates not on the echo website.
diver-1975, Australia says...
12:39pm Thu 9 Jul 09
BIg-Al, South London says...
12:40pm Thu 9 Jul 09
saint tom, redbridge southampton says...
12:41pm Thu 9 Jul 09
mr_lee_white@hotmail.com, Southampton says...
12:43pm Thu 9 Jul 09
Nothing to say, Soton says...
12:45pm Thu 9 Jul 09
Rudd Gillett wrote:How has Crouch "done very well"?
Lawrie "Air Florida Villa that will do nicely" McMenemy you are right we must not forget what Leon has done. Also we must not forget that you have done very well out of being associated with Southampton FC. Not taking your success away from you but it certainly been a two way thing! Now Lawrie stick to charity work and watch from yours and Leons box with your tartan blanket over your knees.
matt del torro, milan says...
12:45pm Thu 9 Jul 09
sarumsaint wrote:agreed .i said similiar in an earlier post....won us the fa cup cost an extremely huge amount of cash
MR Southampton wrote: Maybe if mr Mcmonemy had not taken so many shares from the club when we floated we would never of gone down this road. A second biography awaits. SFC and my part in its downfall by Lawrie mac. LM you should get things off your chest at the pearly gates not on the echo website.What about what Mr McMenemy GAVE us: Great players, good football, stability... Oh, and the small matter of 1976... Some people deserve to make money from our club (i.e. L. Mc.). We all know those who don't... Lawrie, for me, you are and always will be a big part of SFC.
COOPER PIKEY, Coxford says...
12:48pm Thu 9 Jul 09
Rudd Gillett, Saffhampton says...
1:02pm Thu 9 Jul 09
Nothing to say wrote:I meant Lawrie doing well out of Southampton FC. Crouch should be commended as Lawrie says, successful businessman, true Saints fan and good all round egg doing work for the Oakhaven Hospice. Someone with Nothing to say, you do go on!
Rudd Gillett wrote: Lawrie "Air Florida Villa that will do nicely" McMenemy you are right we must not forget what Leon has done. Also we must not forget that you have done very well out of being associated with Southampton FC. Not taking your success away from you but it certainly been a two way thing! Now Lawrie stick to charity work and watch from yours and Leons box with your tartan blanket over your knees.How has Crouch "done very well"? He built up, owned and ran a hugely successful engineering company in Lymington for decades. Building up his fortune and being very active in the local community (I first met him doing work at Oakhaven Hospice, years before he got involved in Saints). If anything, his love for Saints blinded him to the fact that football contains some right nutters who are out to exploit and discredit you. Also, he's had to deal with prats like the ones we see here, spreading untruths about him. Personally, I thank him very much for his time and money invested in Saints.
BrixtonSaint, London says...
1:13pm Thu 9 Jul 09
matt del torro, milan says...
1:15pm Thu 9 Jul 09
matt del torro wrote:if saints had won the fa cup under lowe .would people say he is a true saint and that he had the vision to bring in strachan and get us a new stadium .looking through past posts i would have thought so as most saints seem to be a fickle lot ie mark fry..one week he was a complete useless **** .this week up there with channon stokes osgood etc
sarumsaint wrote:agreed .i said similiar in an earlier post....won us the fa cup cost an extremely huge amount of cashMR Southampton wrote: Maybe if mr Mcmonemy had not taken so many shares from the club when we floated we would never of gone down this road. A second biography awaits. SFC and my part in its downfall by Lawrie mac. LM you should get things off your chest at the pearly gates not on the echo website.What about what Mr McMenemy GAVE us: Great players, good football, stability... Oh, and the small matter of 1976... Some people deserve to make money from our club (i.e. L. Mc.). We all know those who don't... Lawrie, for me, you are and always will be a big part of SFC.
truelysaints, Nairn says...
1:16pm Thu 9 Jul 09
THEKILLER, SOUTHAMPTON says...
1:22pm Thu 9 Jul 09
THEKILLER, SOUTHAMPTON says...
1:23pm Thu 9 Jul 09
Major Sir Jerry Pending, Ward 10 says...
1:24pm Thu 9 Jul 09
Andyt66, Salt Lake City, USA says...
1:25pm Thu 9 Jul 09
matt del torro, milan says...
1:27pm Thu 9 Jul 09
JimmyLondon, London says...
1:28pm Thu 9 Jul 09
northamsoul, isle of wight says...
1:30pm Thu 9 Jul 09
St Gary wrote:actually thats wrong...the 6 million was crouch siad he would put in 2 mil if lowe and wilde did the same which they both refused to do, however £6million is pennys now hey, give it to pompey to underpin their shed ..wooho.i love it
I can see what Big Mac is saying but didn't Crouch say he had people wanting to invest at least 6 Million in to the club, but wouldn't while lowe was there???? Where did that money go then!!!
The_Shotster, Southampton says...
1:31pm Thu 9 Jul 09
sarumsaint wrote:Don't forget that Lawrie walked away twice too when he didn'y have to. When a 'bigger club' came calling in the 80's he was off on his toes pretty sharpish. I appreciate that he made that choice but he is not a loyal as some might think. Those of us who remember that is!
MR Southampton wrote:What about what Mr McMenemy GAVE us:
Maybe if mr Mcmonemy had not taken so many shares from the club when we floated we would never of gone down this road.
A second biography awaits.
SFC and my part in its downfall by Lawrie mac.
LM you should get things off your chest at the pearly gates not on the echo website.
Great players, good football, stability... Oh, and the small matter of 1976...
Some people deserve to make money from our club (i.e. L. Mc.). We all know those who don't...
Lawrie, for me, you are and always will be a big part of SFC.
matt del torro, milan says...
1:32pm Thu 9 Jul 09
northamsoul wrote:that is spot on northamsoul.saw the interview with leon when he said that.
St Gary wrote: I can see what Big Mac is saying but didn't Crouch say he had people wanting to invest at least 6 Million in to the club, but wouldn't while lowe was there???? Where did that money go then!!!actually thats wrong...the 6 million was crouch siad he would put in 2 mil if lowe and wilde did the same which they both refused to do, however £6million is pennys now hey, give it to pompey to underpin their shed ..wooho.i love it COYR
matt del torro, milan says...
1:36pm Thu 9 Jul 09
The_Shotster wrote:that is right shotster he went to sunderland 1st seaon relegated just like he did at saints.are we sure he likes red and white.but he did have lew chatterly to bail him out at saints
sarumsaint wrote:Don't forget that Lawrie walked away twice too when he didn'y have to. When a 'bigger club' came calling in the 80's he was off on his toes pretty sharpish. I appreciate that he made that choice but he is not a loyal as some might think. Those of us who remember that is! For the record I also hold Lawrie in high regard but could it could have been a lot higher had he not deserted us previously. Thanks Leon, I hope to see you at St.Marys in some capacityMR Southampton wrote: Maybe if mr Mcmonemy had not taken so many shares from the club when we floated we would never of gone down this road. A second biography awaits. SFC and my part in its downfall by Lawrie mac. LM you should get things off your chest at the pearly gates not on the echo website.What about what Mr McMenemy GAVE us: Great players, good football, stability... Oh, and the small matter of 1976... Some people deserve to make money from our club (i.e. L. Mc.). We all know those who don't... Lawrie, for me, you are and always will be a big part of SFC.
curly99, Jersey says...
1:36pm Thu 9 Jul 09
St Gary, Southampton says...
1:40pm Thu 9 Jul 09
matt del torro wrote:Ok i got it wrong but my point is the money he put into the club was not out of being a SAINT but money he had plan to put in anyway!!
northamsoul wrote:that is spot on northamsoul.saw the interview with leon when he said that.St Gary wrote: I can see what Big Mac is saying but didn't Crouch say he had people wanting to invest at least 6 Million in to the club, but wouldn't while lowe was there???? Where did that money go then!!!actually thats wrong...the 6 million was crouch siad he would put in 2 mil if lowe and wilde did the same which they both refused to do, however £6million is pennys now hey, give it to pompey to underpin their shed ..wooho.i love it COYR
sarumsaint, salisbury says...
1:42pm Thu 9 Jul 09
matt del torro wrote:That underlines the point exactly - we didn't win the FA Cup under Lowe.
matt del torro wrote:if saints had won the fa cup under lowe .would people say he is a true saint and that he had the vision to bring in strachan and get us a new stadium .looking through past posts i would have thought so as most saints seem to be a fickle lot ie mark fry..one week he was a complete useless **** .this week up there with channon stokes osgood etc
sarumsaint wrote:agreed .i said similiar in an earlier post....won us the fa cup cost an extremely huge amount of cashMR Southampton wrote: Maybe if mr Mcmonemy had not taken so many shares from the club when we floated we would never of gone down this road. A second biography awaits. SFC and my part in its downfall by Lawrie mac. LM you should get things off your chest at the pearly gates not on the echo website.What about what Mr McMenemy GAVE us: Great players, good football, stability... Oh, and the small matter of 1976... Some people deserve to make money from our club (i.e. L. Mc.). We all know those who don't... Lawrie, for me, you are and always will be a big part of SFC.
rijo12, Southampton says...
1:42pm Thu 9 Jul 09
matt del torro, milan says...
1:47pm Thu 9 Jul 09
sarumsaint wrote:he dropped saints twice as earlier stated.we one the fa cup once.think we were more succesfull as a team under bates .under bates we went to old trafford ayear after they won the euro cup 4-1 saints ron davies could header a ball harder than most could volley it ..now thats a fact
matt del torro wrote:That underlines the point exactly - we didn't win the FA Cup under Lowe. McMenemy gave us more success (in terms of winning things) than any other Manager - FACT. So who deserves the rewards, someone who won things for us and truly cares about SFC or someone who was ONLY in it for the Money (and got what he deserved).matt del torro wrote:if saints had won the fa cup under lowe .would people say he is a true saint and that he had the vision to bring in strachan and get us a new stadium .looking through past posts i would have thought so as most saints seem to be a fickle lot ie mark fry..one week he was a complete useless **** .this week up there with channon stokes osgood etcsarumsaint wrote:agreed .i said similiar in an earlier post....won us the fa cup cost an extremely huge amount of cashMR Southampton wrote: Maybe if mr Mcmonemy had not taken so many shares from the club when we floated we would never of gone down this road. A second biography awaits. SFC and my part in its downfall by Lawrie mac. LM you should get things off your chest at the pearly gates not on the echo website.What about what Mr McMenemy GAVE us: Great players, good football, stability... Oh, and the small matter of 1976... Some people deserve to make money from our club (i.e. L. Mc.). We all know those who don't... Lawrie, for me, you are and always will be a big part of SFC.
andy newbury, newbury says...
1:57pm Thu 9 Jul 09
sarumsaint, salisbury says...
2:11pm Thu 9 Jul 09
matt del torro wrote:It's getting silly now; lets agree to disagree and get on with supporting Saints - WE'RE SAFE!!!!!!!!!!!!
sarumsaint wrote:he dropped saints twice as earlier stated.we one the fa cup once.think we were more succesfull as a team under bates .under bates we went to old trafford ayear after they won the euro cup 4-1 saints ron davies could header a ball harder than most could volley it ..now thats a fact
matt del torro wrote:That underlines the point exactly - we didn't win the FA Cup under Lowe. McMenemy gave us more success (in terms of winning things) than any other Manager - FACT. So who deserves the rewards, someone who won things for us and truly cares about SFC or someone who was ONLY in it for the Money (and got what he deserved).matt del torro wrote:if saints had won the fa cup under lowe .would people say he is a true saint and that he had the vision to bring in strachan and get us a new stadium .looking through past posts i would have thought so as most saints seem to be a fickle lot ie mark fry..one week he was a complete useless **** .this week up there with channon stokes osgood etcsarumsaint wrote:agreed .i said similiar in an earlier post....won us the fa cup cost an extremely huge amount of cashMR Southampton wrote: Maybe if mr Mcmonemy had not taken so many shares from the club when we floated we would never of gone down this road. A second biography awaits. SFC and my part in its downfall by Lawrie mac. LM you should get things off your chest at the pearly gates not on the echo website.What about what Mr McMenemy GAVE us: Great players, good football, stability... Oh, and the small matter of 1976... Some people deserve to make money from our club (i.e. L. Mc.). We all know those who don't... Lawrie, for me, you are and always will be a big part of SFC.
Hercules Grytpype-Thynne, Southampton says...
2:24pm Thu 9 Jul 09
Rudd Gillett wrote:We could do without this ageist nonsence sonny. Now get on with your school work.
Lawrie "Air Florida Villa that will do nicely" McMenemy you are right we must not forget what Leon has done. Also we must not forget that you have done very well out of being associated with Southampton FC. Not taking your success away from you but it certainly been a two way thing! Now Lawrie stick to charity work and watch from yours and Leons box with your tartan blanket over your knees.
iw2bitn, totton says...
2:25pm Thu 9 Jul 09
gosportsaint, gosport says...
2:31pm Thu 9 Jul 09
ladysaint, hedge end says...
2:45pm Thu 9 Jul 09
Barcelona Saint, Barcelona says...
2:56pm Thu 9 Jul 09
SaintyD, Essex says...
3:14pm Thu 9 Jul 09
Alicesdad, Chandler's Ford says...
3:29pm Thu 9 Jul 09
OwenTheSaint, Durley says...
3:47pm Thu 9 Jul 09
matt del torro wrote:Just one thing, we didn't win the cup under Lowe, but we did suffer two relegations under his reign (even if he had been reluctantly escorted from the party a few weeks before the second relegation came to pass).
matt del torro wrote:if saints had won the fa cup under lowe .would people say he is a true saint and that he had the vision to bring in strachan and get us a new stadium .looking through past posts i would have thought so as most saints seem to be a fickle lot ie mark fry..one week he was a complete useless **** .this week up there with channon stokes osgood etcsarumsaint wrote:agreed .i said similiar in an earlier post....won us the fa cup cost an extremely huge amount of cashMR Southampton wrote: Maybe if mr Mcmonemy had not taken so many shares from the club when we floated we would never of gone down this road. A second biography awaits. SFC and my part in its downfall by Lawrie mac. LM you should get things off your chest at the pearly gates not on the echo website.What about what Mr McMenemy GAVE us: Great players, good football, stability... Oh, and the small matter of 1976... Some people deserve to make money from our club (i.e. L. Mc.). We all know those who don't... Lawrie, for me, you are and always will be a big part of SFC.
SomersetSaint, Yeovil says...
4:15pm Thu 9 Jul 09
normsted, puybossard says...
4:40pm Thu 9 Jul 09
RobSaint wrote:Yep agree ,put the history and pride back in its rightful place.
Please take the picture of the steam train given to us which RL insisted on having against the will of all fans and hang it up in the away supporters dressing room.
I want 1976 FA cup winning team photo back on the wall at St. Marys right now!
COOPER PIKEY, Coxford says...
4:45pm Thu 9 Jul 09
SomersetSaint wrote:People of Southampton have very very forgiving hearts. I for one will never forget the way he dumped us in 1985, he was a big time charlie then and he is now.
McMenemy doesn't need to remind us of what Leon has done for this club, we all know of his generosity and good intentions. However, remember when McMenemy left for Sunderland in 1985 and insulted us with his 'great hotbed of football' quote. Too hot for you Lawrie, wasn't it!!
Rudd Gillett, Saffhampton says...
4:55pm Thu 9 Jul 09
Hercules Grytpype-Thynne wrote:One of the best put downs I have ever received!!!!!! What a comedian you are?
Rudd Gillett wrote: Lawrie "Air Florida Villa that will do nicely" McMenemy you are right we must not forget what Leon has done. Also we must not forget that you have done very well out of being associated with Southampton FC. Not taking your success away from you but it certainly been a two way thing! Now Lawrie stick to charity work and watch from yours and Leons box with your tartan blanket over your knees.We could do without this ageist nonsence sonny. Now get on with your school work.
Big Deuche, Southampton says...
6:10pm Thu 9 Jul 09
The Exiled Saint, NEWPORT/Salop says...
6:11pm Thu 9 Jul 09
Retreat to Gandamack, Kabul Afghanistan says...
10:14pm Thu 9 Jul 09
Sholing 4 ever, Southampton says...
10:33pm Thu 9 Jul 09
pugwash, southampton says...
10:48pm Thu 9 Jul 09
Northamer, Crabbswood Lane says...
8:44am Fri 10 Jul 09
Invisible, Poole says...
12:24pm Fri 10 Jul 09
supermac, ford says...
3:06pm Fri 10 Jul 09
Allotmentman66, Bitterne says...
5:05pm Fri 10 Jul 09
Allotmentman66, Bitterne says...
5:34pm Fri 10 Jul 09
Miltonroadend, Eastleigh says...
5:52pm Fri 10 Jul 09
Miltonroadend, Eastleigh says...
5:57pm Fri 10 Jul 09
Allotmentman66, Bitterne says...
6:01pm Fri 10 Jul 09
Miltonroadend wrote:Fair comment, but at the end of the day Lowe made the final decisions not the board,Lowe always overuled the board and done what ever he wanted to do.
Whilst I accept Leon Crouch is a true Southampton Supporter some blame lies at his door- as wel as Lowes, Wilde and others. People forget the huge payouts that these directors got when Saints became a PLC and eventually moved to St Mary's!!! They were board directors- there job is to run the club properly - this hasn't happened in recent years and lets hope we never return to the days of this kind of mismanagement. People are quick to blame Lowe- and he rightly is to blame for much of what has happened- especially failing to secure a good manager after Strachan/ Hoddle days - but equally there are others- that may feel guilty and may indeed have put money in- but perhaps they should have run it properly in first instance. My thanks go to the Swiss guy for bailing out the worst disater since Titanic...left port .
Captain Swing, Southampton says...
9:02pm Fri 10 Jul 09
Allotmentman66, Bitterne says...
9:24am Sun 12 Jul 09
pugwash, southampton says...
12:04pm Sun 12 Jul 09
Miltonroadend wrote:I DO AGREE,BUT HE TRIED HIS BEST TO GET HODDLE BACK-SURELY HODDLE COULD NOT HAVE DONE WORSE THAN THE STRROCK,WIGLEY AND REDKNAPP EFFORTS THAT CAME INSTEAD.
On the Lowe front- things got much worse financially AFTER he left (or was pushed ) on first occassion. Remember he did help us move to St Mary's. HIS WORSE FAILING WAS NOT SECURING GOOD MANAGEMENT -leading us to fall from Premiership to free fall to League 1. Lowe must accpet huge responsibility for this as is basic job- to ensure the right people are employed by the club. Let us hope that this Swiss outfit ensure anyone who works for Saints in future from stewards up - is RIGHT for the job!
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greystonesben, Fareham says...
12:09pm Thu 9 Jul 09
I do not blame Le God or Crouch who I as a fan am proud to have associated with SFC. It is him alone that stumped up his own cash to keep us going.
Cheers Leon.