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Barton Farm: reaction starts to flow
5:21pm Tuesday 2nd October 2012 in Winchester
By Andrew Napier
Barton Farm: reaction starts to flow
FOR Mike Emett, development director for Cala Homes, today’s decision climaxes years of work.
But after promoting the scheme for more than ten years, today he would only say: “I’m really pleased.”
In a statement Cala said: “We welcome the appeal decision and now look forward to continuing to work with the city council and local community to deliver a high-quality development.
“Coming so soon on the back of stimulus packages designed to support the construction industry we feel this decision provides a major boost to the entire house-building sector and reaffirms the coalition’s stance on the role the house-building industry can play in supporting a wider economic recovery.
“Local people will benefit greatly from this decision. It will be a major contributor to stimulating the local economy and creating long-term jobs. Furthermore it will make a significant contribution to the chronic shortage of affordable housing, enabling key workers and other local people to live in their own city.
“We will shortly be examining the detailed design for each of the phases in line with the masterplan to ensure that much-needed housing is delivered as soon as possible.”
City MP Steve Brine said: "I think it was becoming increasingly difficult to save Barton Farm from the moment it was identified a reserve major development area by Winchester City Council in 2004 and a very real problem for campaigners opposed to development was the fact they had to get lucky every time, whereas CALA had to hit the jackpot just once. I want to pay enormous tribute to the Save Barton Farm Group and the thousands of people who continue to support their campaign.
"Assuming Barton Farm is developed, 2,000 houses on this site will in my opinion ultimately make the city a less comfortable place to live. We will get used to it, and not too many years from now we'll no doubt struggle to remember how it looked before, but a special piece of the landscape setting of Winchester will be gone forever.
"As I have always maintained, I will now engage positively with CALA to ensure they live up to their promises and give us the high quality development promised. I will also be keeping very close tabs on the affordable element of the housing to see if it really does deliver new homes for local people and dramatically reduce the council waiting list."
He added that he was seeking an early meeting with Winchester's state secondary heads, as well as Hampshire County Council, to discuss the effect on secondary school places that development on Barton Farm will accelerate.
Winchester City Council leader Keith Wood said he was disappointed by the decision.
He said this afternoon: “Personally I am disappointed that the time has come to release this site for housing but the Secretary of State has applied his own rules and we have no choice but to follow them.
“We argued strongly about the application, but we have been overtaken by events. The council now needs to ensure that the development of this site generates all the promised benefits to the community. We plan to set up a forum to help ensure that the development minimises the disruption to Winchester residents, and the infrastructure requirements are implemented properly and promptly.”
Comments(23)
romsey saint
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7:40pm Tue 2 Oct 12
Peterv11 wrote:What a stupid comment to make, why should these homes be badly designed and badly built. When are you NIMBYS going to wake up from your selfish attitude and realise people need houses to live in. I agree it is lovely countryside but so was Harestock, Weeke, Abbots Barton etc etc etc etc etc
So 2000 badly designed and badly built houses erected in lovely countryside - just what Winchester needs.
Thanks Cala. I hope you are all going to live there. What better punishment could there be!
ascapola
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11:44pm Tue 2 Oct 12
Shoong
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11:18am Wed 3 Oct 12
ascapola wrote:Just checked registered charities in the UK, oddly Cala are not included on the list. Can't think why...
Let's not forget why Cala want to build these houses - for profit. They'll do the minimum they can get away with and turn Winchester into another crowded south Hants town with inadequate infrastructure.
Harry Edmonds
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12:24pm Wed 3 Oct 12
jonone
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1:34pm Wed 3 Oct 12
romsey saint wrote:Let's build 2000 home in Romsey (making an assumption here!) then. Far more sensible option to grow smaller towns than increase pressure on larger cities.
Peterv11 wrote: So 2000 badly designed and badly built houses erected in lovely countryside - just what Winchester needs. Thanks Cala. I hope you are all going to live there. What better punishment could there be!What a stupid comment to make, why should these homes be badly designed and badly built. When are you NIMBYS going to wake up from your selfish attitude and realise people need houses to live in. I agree it is lovely countryside but so was Harestock, Weeke, Abbots Barton etc etc etc etc etc
St.DaveH
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4:18pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Peterv11
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6:10pm Wed 3 Oct 12
romsey saint wrote:Dear Romsey Saint,
Peterv11 wrote:What a stupid comment to make, why should these homes be badly designed and badly built. When are you NIMBYS going to wake up from your selfish attitude and realise people need houses to live in. I agree it is lovely countryside but so was Harestock, Weeke, Abbots Barton etc etc etc etc etc
So 2000 badly designed and badly built houses erected in lovely countryside - just what Winchester needs.
Thanks Cala. I hope you are all going to live there. What better punishment could there be!
I am not given to stupidity nor am I a NIMBY or a Tory - the reason they are badly designed etc. is for profit.
However, your argument that because some areas have been spoilt makes it Ok to do the same elsewhere does qualify as thoughtless at best. Duh!
romsey saint
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7:38pm Wed 3 Oct 12
jonone wrote:Unfortunately you have made a very poor assumption, there is currently a development of 1500+ very much needed houses being built in Romsey within a stones throw of my house.
romsey saint wrote:Let's build 2000 home in Romsey (making an assumption here!) then. Far more sensible option to grow smaller towns than increase pressure on larger cities.
Peterv11 wrote: So 2000 badly designed and badly built houses erected in lovely countryside - just what Winchester needs. Thanks Cala. I hope you are all going to live there. What better punishment could there be!What a stupid comment to make, why should these homes be badly designed and badly built. When are you NIMBYS going to wake up from your selfish attitude and realise people need houses to live in. I agree it is lovely countryside but so was Harestock, Weeke, Abbots Barton etc etc etc etc etc
romsey saint
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7:47pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Peterv11 wrote:I see so the only way people can make a profit is to badly design and badly build things, any chance you can let me know who you work for so I can make sure I dont buy anything connected with them. I take it that you must live within the old city walls, been born and bred in Winchester and still live in the house you were born in because anything outside of that would have spoilt the town. But please answer me this question if houses are not built where will peoples children and granchildren live...... now that is thoughtless. Duh!!
romsey saint wrote:Dear Romsey Saint,
Peterv11 wrote:What a stupid comment to make, why should these homes be badly designed and badly built. When are you NIMBYS going to wake up from your selfish attitude and realise people need houses to live in. I agree it is lovely countryside but so was Harestock, Weeke, Abbots Barton etc etc etc etc etc
So 2000 badly designed and badly built houses erected in lovely countryside - just what Winchester needs.
Thanks Cala. I hope you are all going to live there. What better punishment could there be!
I am not given to stupidity nor am I a NIMBY or a Tory - the reason they are badly designed etc. is for profit.
However, your argument that because some areas have been spoilt makes it Ok to do the same elsewhere does qualify as thoughtless at best. Duh!
romsey saint
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7:50pm Wed 3 Oct 12
St.DaveH wrote:Excellent point St.DaveH, if these people had there way we would still be living in mud huts on top of St Catherines..... assuming they knw where it is
I take it from some of the comments that you do not actually live in houses, that have never been built, or near green field areas. The typical nimby attitude of tory home owners to supress others from having a roof over thier heads is typical of the area.
jonone
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3:14pm Thu 4 Oct 12
St.DaveH wrote:I don't live in Winchester, but I do live in a brand new house. But it wasn't built on a green field.
I take it from some of the comments that you do not actually live in houses, that have never been built, or near green field areas. The typical nimby attitude of tory home owners to supress others from having a roof over thier heads is typical of the area.
jonone
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3:25pm Thu 4 Oct 12
St.DaveH wrote:Probably worth adding that the term "tory nimby" is pretty stupid given that it is Tories who have forced the whole thing through!
I take it from some of the comments that you do not actually live in houses, that have never been built, or near green field areas. The typical nimby attitude of tory home owners to supress others from having a roof over thier heads is typical of the area.
Peterv11
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6:47pm Thu 4 Oct 12
romsey saint wrote:Please keep up. As you should know I am not saying houses shouldn't be built. Nor am I saying the only way to make a profit is by making things badly.
Peterv11 wrote:I see so the only way people can make a profit is to badly design and badly build things, any chance you can let me know who you work for so I can make sure I dont buy anything connected with them. I take it that you must live within the old city walls, been born and bred in Winchester and still live in the house you were born in because anything outside of that would have spoilt the town. But please answer me this question if houses are not built where will peoples children and granchildren live...... now that is thoughtless. Duh!!
romsey saint wrote:Dear Romsey Saint,
Peterv11 wrote:What a stupid comment to make, why should these homes be badly designed and badly built. When are you NIMBYS going to wake up from your selfish attitude and realise people need houses to live in. I agree it is lovely countryside but so was Harestock, Weeke, Abbots Barton etc etc etc etc etc
So 2000 badly designed and badly built houses erected in lovely countryside - just what Winchester needs.
Thanks Cala. I hope you are all going to live there. What better punishment could there be!
I am not given to stupidity nor am I a NIMBY or a Tory - the reason they are badly designed etc. is for profit.
However, your argument that because some areas have been spoilt makes it Ok to do the same elsewhere does qualify as thoughtless at best. Duh!
The rest of your letter is just silly - self-congratulatory and self-pitying.
As a wit I'd say you were about half way there.
romsey saint
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7:48pm Thu 4 Oct 12
Peterv11 wrote:I say looks like I touched a nerve by asking some questions, but no more than I would expect. Some people like the sound of there on voice but seem to object when someone answers back. As far as being a half wit well as the old saying goes 'it takes one to know one' and by the way your still a NIMBY no matter how you dress it up.
romsey saint wrote:Please keep up. As you should know I am not saying houses shouldn't be built. Nor am I saying the only way to make a profit is by making things badly.
Peterv11 wrote:I see so the only way people can make a profit is to badly design and badly build things, any chance you can let me know who you work for so I can make sure I dont buy anything connected with them. I take it that you must live within the old city walls, been born and bred in Winchester and still live in the house you were born in because anything outside of that would have spoilt the town. But please answer me this question if houses are not built where will peoples children and granchildren live...... now that is thoughtless. Duh!!
romsey saint wrote:Dear Romsey Saint,
Peterv11 wrote:What a stupid comment to make, why should these homes be badly designed and badly built. When are you NIMBYS going to wake up from your selfish attitude and realise people need houses to live in. I agree it is lovely countryside but so was Harestock, Weeke, Abbots Barton etc etc etc etc etc
So 2000 badly designed and badly built houses erected in lovely countryside - just what Winchester needs.
Thanks Cala. I hope you are all going to live there. What better punishment could there be!
I am not given to stupidity nor am I a NIMBY or a Tory - the reason they are badly designed etc. is for profit.
However, your argument that because some areas have been spoilt makes it Ok to do the same elsewhere does qualify as thoughtless at best. Duh!
The rest of your letter is just silly - self-congratulatory and self-pitying.
As a wit I'd say you were about half way there.
jonone
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2:21pm Fri 5 Oct 12
romsey saint wrote:Pity all the people throwing NIMBY around do not seem to possess the ability to spell...
Peterv11 wrote:I say looks like I touched a nerve by asking some questions, but no more than I would expect. Some people like the sound of there on voice but seem to object when someone answers back. As far as being a half wit well as the old saying goes 'it takes one to know one' and by the way your still a NIMBY no matter how you dress it up.romsey saint wrote:Please keep up. As you should know I am not saying houses shouldn't be built. Nor am I saying the only way to make a profit is by making things badly. The rest of your letter is just silly - self-congratulatory and self-pitying. As a wit I'd say you were about half way there.Peterv11 wrote:I see so the only way people can make a profit is to badly design and badly build things, any chance you can let me know who you work for so I can make sure I dont buy anything connected with them. I take it that you must live within the old city walls, been born and bred in Winchester and still live in the house you were born in because anything outside of that would have spoilt the town. But please answer me this question if houses are not built where will peoples children and granchildren live...... now that is thoughtless. Duh!!romsey saint wrote:Dear Romsey Saint, I am not given to stupidity nor am I a NIMBY or a Tory - the reason they are badly designed etc. is for profit. However, your argument that because some areas have been spoilt makes it Ok to do the same elsewhere does qualify as thoughtless at best. Duh!Peterv11 wrote: So 2000 badly designed and badly built houses erected in lovely countryside - just what Winchester needs. Thanks Cala. I hope you are all going to live there. What better punishment could there be!What a stupid comment to make, why should these homes be badly designed and badly built. When are you NIMBYS going to wake up from your selfish attitude and realise people need houses to live in. I agree it is lovely countryside but so was Harestock, Weeke, Abbots Barton etc etc etc etc etc
romsey saint
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3:13pm Fri 5 Oct 12
jonone wrote:yet another NIMBY with a futile remark trying to be funny
romsey saint wrote:Pity all the people throwing NIMBY around do not seem to possess the ability to spell...
Peterv11 wrote:I say looks like I touched a nerve by asking some questions, but no more than I would expect. Some people like the sound of there on voice but seem to object when someone answers back. As far as being a half wit well as the old saying goes 'it takes one to know one' and by the way your still a NIMBY no matter how you dress it up.romsey saint wrote:Please keep up. As you should know I am not saying houses shouldn't be built. Nor am I saying the only way to make a profit is by making things badly. The rest of your letter is just silly - self-congratulatory and self-pitying. As a wit I'd say you were about half way there.Peterv11 wrote:I see so the only way people can make a profit is to badly design and badly build things, any chance you can let me know who you work for so I can make sure I dont buy anything connected with them. I take it that you must live within the old city walls, been born and bred in Winchester and still live in the house you were born in because anything outside of that would have spoilt the town. But please answer me this question if houses are not built where will peoples children and granchildren live...... now that is thoughtless. Duh!!romsey saint wrote:Dear Romsey Saint, I am not given to stupidity nor am I a NIMBY or a Tory - the reason they are badly designed etc. is for profit. However, your argument that because some areas have been spoilt makes it Ok to do the same elsewhere does qualify as thoughtless at best. Duh!Peterv11 wrote: So 2000 badly designed and badly built houses erected in lovely countryside - just what Winchester needs. Thanks Cala. I hope you are all going to live there. What better punishment could there be!What a stupid comment to make, why should these homes be badly designed and badly built. When are you NIMBYS going to wake up from your selfish attitude and realise people need houses to live in. I agree it is lovely countryside but so was Harestock, Weeke, Abbots Barton etc etc etc etc etc
Peterv11
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5:06pm Sat 6 Oct 12
romsey saint wrote:@Romsey Saint
jonone wrote:yet another NIMBY with a futile remark trying to be funny
romsey saint wrote:Pity all the people throwing NIMBY around do not seem to possess the ability to spell...
Peterv11 wrote:I say looks like I touched a nerve by asking some questions, but no more than I would expect. Some people like the sound of there on voice but seem to object when someone answers back. As far as being a half wit well as the old saying goes 'it takes one to know one' and by the way your still a NIMBY no matter how you dress it up.romsey saint wrote:Please keep up. As you should know I am not saying houses shouldn't be built. Nor am I saying the only way to make a profit is by making things badly. The rest of your letter is just silly - self-congratulatory and self-pitying. As a wit I'd say you were about half way there.Peterv11 wrote:I see so the only way people can make a profit is to badly design and badly build things, any chance you can let me know who you work for so I can make sure I dont buy anything connected with them. I take it that you must live within the old city walls, been born and bred in Winchester and still live in the house you were born in because anything outside of that would have spoilt the town. But please answer me this question if houses are not built where will peoples children and granchildren live...... now that is thoughtless. Duh!!romsey saint wrote:Dear Romsey Saint, I am not given to stupidity nor am I a NIMBY or a Tory - the reason they are badly designed etc. is for profit. However, your argument that because some areas have been spoilt makes it Ok to do the same elsewhere does qualify as thoughtless at best. Duh!Peterv11 wrote: So 2000 badly designed and badly built houses erected in lovely countryside - just what Winchester needs. Thanks Cala. I hope you are all going to live there. What better punishment could there be!What a stupid comment to make, why should these homes be badly designed and badly built. When are you NIMBYS going to wake up from your selfish attitude and realise people need houses to live in. I agree it is lovely countryside but so was Harestock, Weeke, Abbots Barton etc etc etc etc etc
You are right you have touched a nerve - that is pointless it is to react to Ad Hominem rants. It's the trademark of the troll a most unlikeable practice.
Peterv11
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5:40pm Sat 6 Oct 12
romsey saint
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10:09am Sun 7 Oct 12
Peterv11 wrote:ummmm moving away from the point me thinks and trying to be clever with latin comments how pathetic, next time get your own post right...... and your still a NIMBY
Above should read - that it is pointless to react to your Ad Hominem rants. They are the trademark of the troll a most unlikeable practice
Peterv11
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7:36pm Sun 7 Oct 12
romsey saint wrote:Grow up!
Peterv11 wrote:ummmm moving away from the point me thinks and trying to be clever with latin comments how pathetic, next time get your own post right...... and your still a NIMBY
Above should read - that it is pointless to react to your Ad Hominem rants. They are the trademark of the troll a most unlikeable practice
romsey saint
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8:12am Mon 8 Oct 12
Peterv11 wrote:oh dear oh dear looks like someone is not very happy...... and your still a NIMBY
romsey saint wrote:Grow up!
Peterv11 wrote:ummmm moving away from the point me thinks and trying to be clever with latin comments how pathetic, next time get your own post right...... and your still a NIMBY
Above should read - that it is pointless to react to your Ad Hominem rants. They are the trademark of the troll a most unlikeable practice
jonone
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1:18pm Tue 9 Oct 12
Peterv11 says...
5:39pm Tue 2 Oct 12
Thanks Cala. I hope you are all going to live there. What better punishment could there be!