Hursley villagers crack down on speeding

Hampshire Chronicle: Nearly two thirds of motorists in Hursley flouted the 30mph limit during the community speedwatch checks, with one driver clocking 72mph Nearly two thirds of motorists in Hursley flouted the 30mph limit during the community speedwatch checks, with one driver clocking 72mph

THE community speedwatch team in Hursley found that nearly two thirds of drivers were speeding through the village.

The volunteers, backed by police, recorded the speeds of motorists for 90 minutes last Friday (March 2).

Nearly 20 drivers were clocked entering the village at between 40 and 50mph, and one was going 72mph, the volunteers said.

They added that 64.8 per cent of drivers flouted the 30mph limit.

Details of the worst offenders are likely to be given to police and some drivers may receive warning letters.

Further community speedwatch checks in Hursley are expected.

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11:16pm Mon 5 Mar 12

Belgarum says...

Obviously evidence that the speed limit has been set artificially low at the point where the measurements were taken, and should therefore be increased in accordance with the 85 percentile rule.
Obviously evidence that the speed limit has been set artificially low at the point where the measurements were taken, and should therefore be increased in accordance with the 85 percentile rule. Belgarum

11:58am Tue 6 Mar 12

hursleyvillageinfo says...

We are afraid that "Belgarum" is missing the point. The average speed was 32.2 mph, which in its self is not too high. However it is the direct speed of 64.8% that were going over the limit that is worrying for villagers. It is very frustrating to keep on being quoted 85th percentile rules .

Since 2010 the 85th percentile figures in Hursley have been steadily rising:

In 2010 @ 34.3 mph
In 2008 @ 32.9 mph
In 2007 @ 32.5 mph
In 2005 @ 30.9 mph

At the level of over 35 mph, the Police consider directed enforcement action.

However quoting 85th figures does not detract from the fact that we have a speeding issue it the village. A reported 3,177 accidents took place on Hampshire roads in 2010, including 598 serious injuries and 34 fatalities – and that’s before taking into account those happening in the main city centres. We do not want to have a memorial to a child that has been knocked down and killed in our village (as there are sadly in other villages). HOW many lives must be ruined before something is done about the safety of our Hampshire roads?

Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not. ~ Dr. Seuss
We are afraid that "Belgarum" is missing the point. The average speed was 32.2 mph, which in its self is not too high. However it is the direct speed of 64.8% that were going over the limit that is worrying for villagers. It is very frustrating to keep on being quoted 85th percentile rules . Since 2010 the 85th percentile figures in Hursley have been steadily rising: In 2010 @ 34.3 mph In 2008 @ 32.9 mph In 2007 @ 32.5 mph In 2005 @ 30.9 mph At the level of over 35 mph, the Police consider directed enforcement action. However quoting 85th figures does not detract from the fact that we have a speeding issue it the village. A reported 3,177 accidents took place on Hampshire roads in 2010, including 598 serious injuries and 34 fatalities – and that’s before taking into account those happening in the main city centres. We do not want to have a memorial to a child that has been knocked down and killed in our village (as there are sadly in other villages). HOW many lives must be ruined before something is done about the safety of our Hampshire roads? Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not. ~ Dr. Seuss hursleyvillageinfo

4:10pm Tue 6 Mar 12

campfreddie says...

I've got a quote for you hursleyvillageinfo..
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Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone. John 8:7.

When you and your fellow volunteers can honestly say that you have never and will never break the speed limit through other peoples environments, will be the day when you can preach to the rest of us about driving too fast.
I've got a quote for you hursleyvillageinfo.. . Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone. John 8:7. When you and your fellow volunteers can honestly say that you have never and will never break the speed limit through other peoples environments, will be the day when you can preach to the rest of us about driving too fast. campfreddie

6:22pm Tue 6 Mar 12

hursleyvillageinfo says...

Sorry campfreddie you also miss the point, have a friend or know a family who has lost their child to a speeding driver then let us know what your thoughts are... this is not about being holier-than-thou, far from it.
Sorry campfreddie you also miss the point, have a friend or know a family who has lost their child to a speeding driver then let us know what your thoughts are... this is not about being holier-than-thou, far from it. hursleyvillageinfo

8:46pm Tue 6 Mar 12

Shrek&Fiona says...

Interested to know whether CampingFreddie and Belgarum are in fact endorsing the ridiculous speeds that were recorded...and their reasoning behind this ??

Seems to me that a community is trying to do something proactive with the aim of preventing a serious accident. It does not read to me about being churlish or applying a NIMBY kind of logic.

I haven't prepared a quote - its a serious issue. Simples.
Interested to know whether CampingFreddie and Belgarum are in fact endorsing the ridiculous speeds that were recorded...and their reasoning behind this ?? Seems to me that a community is trying to do something proactive with the aim of preventing a serious accident. It does not read to me about being churlish or applying a NIMBY kind of logic. I haven't prepared a quote - its a serious issue. Simples. Shrek&Fiona

11:27pm Tue 6 Mar 12

Belgarum says...

"A reported 3,177 accidents took place on Hampshire roads in 2010, including 598 serious injuries and 34 fatalities"

Yes - but for how many of these was excessive speed the main causal factor? Or are you just quoting some big scary (and irrelevant) figures to try to bolster an argument which actually has no real evidence to support it?
"A reported 3,177 accidents took place on Hampshire roads in 2010, including 598 serious injuries and 34 fatalities" Yes - but for how many of these was excessive speed the main causal factor? Or are you just quoting some big scary (and irrelevant) figures to try to bolster an argument which actually has no real evidence to support it? Belgarum

12:27pm Wed 7 Mar 12

Hursley Phil says...

I don't know why Belgarum and campfreddie are the slightest bit interested in this other than to deliberately wind people up. My daughter was knocked down by a car on the Main Rd in Hursley (entirely her fault I should add) and if the driver had been doing more than 30mph she'd have been killed. Go and troll somewhere else you two.
I don't know why Belgarum and campfreddie are the slightest bit interested in this other than to deliberately wind people up. My daughter was knocked down by a car on the Main Rd in Hursley (entirely her fault I should add) and if the driver had been doing more than 30mph she'd have been killed. Go and troll somewhere else you two. Hursley Phil

1:01pm Wed 7 Mar 12

Tigers Wood says...

I have to say I agree with the residents here. Regardless of how many of these road fatalities cited were caused with speed being the major influencing factor, even one is too many. If just one of these fatalities can be prevented surely it's worth slowing down?

If you follow the main road through Hurlsey the limit isn't even in place for a long distance. To me it seems fairly simple to slow down through the village and only an idiot wouldn't get this.

I live in a residential road where cars come past at speeds you wouldn't think it was possible to achieve in such a small stretch of road. My child will be walking soon and I know if the residents in my road were being proactive like the residents of Hurlsey are I'd be fully behind them and willing to help.
I have to say I agree with the residents here. Regardless of how many of these road fatalities cited were caused with speed being the major influencing factor, even one is too many. If just one of these fatalities can be prevented surely it's worth slowing down? If you follow the main road through Hurlsey the limit isn't even in place for a long distance. To me it seems fairly simple to slow down through the village and only an idiot wouldn't get this. I live in a residential road where cars come past at speeds you wouldn't think it was possible to achieve in such a small stretch of road. My child will be walking soon and I know if the residents in my road were being proactive like the residents of Hurlsey are I'd be fully behind them and willing to help. Tigers Wood

1:04pm Wed 7 Mar 12

Artaxerxes says...

The point that Belgarum makes is a good example of a little knowledge being a dangerous thing.

Speed limits are not set by a statistical analysis of the speeds that motorists want to drive at, they are set by taking into account the immediate environment and safety of other road users and pedestrians.

If Belgarum was right, the roads would be full of predominantly young, inexperienced, male drivers driving too fast in order to get the '85th percentile' up.

Belgarum is also being disingenuous about the accident statistics: it is irrelevant about how many of these accidents were caused by excessive speed as it is blindingly obvious that fewer accidents happen at slower speeds.
The point that Belgarum makes is a good example of a little knowledge being a dangerous thing. Speed limits are not set by a statistical analysis of the speeds that motorists want to drive at, they are set by taking into account the immediate environment and safety of other road users and pedestrians. If Belgarum was right, the roads would be full of predominantly young, inexperienced, male drivers driving too fast in order to get the '85th percentile' up. Belgarum is also being disingenuous about the accident statistics: it is irrelevant about how many of these accidents were caused by excessive speed as it is blindingly obvious that fewer accidents happen at slower speeds. Artaxerxes

10:03am Thu 8 Mar 12

macbeth101 says...

I'd say that two-thirds going above the limit gives a strong case for putting speed camaras in Hursley - as there are in nearby Ampfield. The tight bend near the post-office is especially dangerous.
I'd say that two-thirds going above the limit gives a strong case for putting speed camaras in Hursley - as there are in nearby Ampfield. The tight bend near the post-office is especially dangerous. macbeth101

10:04am Thu 8 Mar 12

Rocket123 says...

Like experienced in Alresford, if they use Police to check the speeds and issue fines, most people caught will be found to be local Hursley area residents, including the ones who complained about speeding.
Like experienced in Alresford, if they use Police to check the speeds and issue fines, most people caught will be found to be local Hursley area residents, including the ones who complained about speeding. Rocket123

12:03pm Thu 8 Mar 12

jondave says...

Hursley Phil wrote:
I don't know why Belgarum and campfreddie are the slightest bit interested in this other than to deliberately wind people up. My daughter was knocked down by a car on the Main Rd in Hursley (entirely her fault I should add) and if the driver had been doing more than 30mph she'd have been killed. Go and troll somewhere else you two.
So, the driver was driving legally and pedestrian stupidity was the prime cause. The link with the story is? Perhaps Belgarum goes the wrong way about articulating their point, but the one about number of accidents is perfectly valid. There are any number of roads around where I could hit a pedestrian at 35mph and have been doing 5mph below the speed limit - not that I ever want to, but the growing number of young people who believe they can just waltz into the road and give a finger to anyone coming is ever growing. There are any number of accidents that occur in which speeding was not a cause, in fact almost all accident stats will show that driver error is usually a bigger cause than breaking a posted limit. But speeding has a far easier "policing" method with speed cameras, so it gets the most attention. never mind that most of the truly dangerous driving you witness occurs nowhere near any speed limits. Drive around Basingstoke at rush hour and you learn this very quickly!
[quote][p][bold]Hursley Phil[/bold] wrote: I don't know why Belgarum and campfreddie are the slightest bit interested in this other than to deliberately wind people up. My daughter was knocked down by a car on the Main Rd in Hursley (entirely her fault I should add) and if the driver had been doing more than 30mph she'd have been killed. Go and troll somewhere else you two.[/p][/quote]So, the driver was driving legally and pedestrian stupidity was the prime cause. The link with the story is? Perhaps Belgarum goes the wrong way about articulating their point, but the one about number of accidents is perfectly valid. There are any number of roads around where I could hit a pedestrian at 35mph and have been doing 5mph below the speed limit - not that I ever want to, but the growing number of young people who believe they can just waltz into the road and give a finger to anyone coming is ever growing. There are any number of accidents that occur in which speeding was not a cause, in fact almost all accident stats will show that driver error is usually a bigger cause than breaking a posted limit. But speeding has a far easier "policing" method with speed cameras, so it gets the most attention. never mind that most of the truly dangerous driving you witness occurs nowhere near any speed limits. Drive around Basingstoke at rush hour and you learn this very quickly! jondave

1:10pm Thu 8 Mar 12

Rocket123 says...

Perhaps the next "no win-no fee" category should be drivers claiming from pedestrians who walk into the road in front of their vehicles without looking.
Perhaps the next "no win-no fee" category should be drivers claiming from pedestrians who walk into the road in front of their vehicles without looking. Rocket123

1:29am Sun 11 Mar 12

Rocket123 says...

Because speeding is measurable - especially if you reduce speed limits well below previous existing limits - as happened in Hampshire villages, it is really easy to stir up local opposition to "speeding" drivers - most of which are driving perfectly safely.

What these councils imposing the limits are not doing is improving driving skills.

Thats a lamentable omission when in every other area of human activity we stress the importance of education and training.

So stop checking the speed and start checking the quality of driving and educating young drivers who are the ones most likely to die or cause an accident.
Because speeding is measurable - especially if you reduce speed limits well below previous existing limits - as happened in Hampshire villages, it is really easy to stir up local opposition to "speeding" drivers - most of which are driving perfectly safely. What these councils imposing the limits are not doing is improving driving skills. Thats a lamentable omission when in every other area of human activity we stress the importance of education and training. So stop checking the speed and start checking the quality of driving and educating young drivers who are the ones most likely to die or cause an accident. Rocket123

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