Anger in Winchester over loss of street car parking for zebra crossing

Hampshire Chronicle: Stoney Lane in Weeke Stoney Lane in Weeke

WINCHESTER residents are cross about a crossing proposed for a city suburb.

The county council wants to install a crossing on Stoney Lane, Weeke, and remove three parking spaces.

But local people say the parking is important and that there is no need for a crossing on a road which is already traffic-calmed.

Stephanie Swann said she had spoken to local shops such as Waitrose and Co-op and none were aware of the traffic changes.

She said: “Lots of people are unhappy about this. This is about the only place in Winchester that people can park for nothing and is very useful for popping to the shops. Nobody knows anything about this, no one has had a letter.”

Ms Swann added: “Older people use the spaces and it all works perfectly fine. To alter something that does not appear to be an issue seems odd to me.”

“The road already has pinch points at which it is narrow which slows the traffic right down and allows people to cross easily.”

Gareth Hawkins, manager of Purrfectly Pets, said: “We are not overly keen. Parking is bad enough as it is so lose another three. We went through this five years ago and they aborted the plan. It’s going to be in such a dangerous place. We have not been notified - we saw it in the paper.”

Local city and county councillor Martin Tod said he was surprised the county had not informed local traders.

He said this was a replacement plan to one in 2011 which proposed a crossing further up Stoney Lane and would have resulted in the loss of six spaces.

Cllr Tod said he favoured the crossing: “we need to make the road safer. I know residents from Teg Down who shop at Waitrose also support it.”

The deadline for consultations is tomorrow (FRI) and Ms Swann of Bradley Road, Harestock, is organising a last-ditch petition against the plan. Her petition can be accessed at http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/against-loss-of-parking-spaces-in-stoney-lane.html.

The council plans to build the new crossing near the Stockbridge Road junction this summer. To provide the crossing, two spaces will go on the southern side and one on the north as previously reported.

The public can comment by May 23, by email at implementation@hants.gov.uk, or post to: Strategic Transport, Economy, Transport and Environment Department, Hampshire County Council, SO23 8UD.

The Chronicle spoke to a number of local traders.

Sophie Abbey, owner of KS Hair Design, said: “I didn’t know about it. I think a crossing would be better because it’s always so busy down there, but parking is a massive issue.”

Jessica Warnes, receptionist of Winchester Podiatry, said: “I didn’t know there was going to be one. I think it’s great to have a crossing because I have seen a lot of people nearly get hit by cars, so I think it will be convenient, and there is a lot of parking at Waitrose anyway.”

Storm Drury, team leader at Co-op, said: “There’s a lot of issues with parking as it is, so it might cause a bit of a problem, but I don’t know how much of a difference it will make.”

Kuldip Singh, owner of Class 1 Dry Cleaners, said: “It’s good for the children and the people crossing because there needs to be one here.”

Simon Lambell, supervisor at Martin’s, said: “I didn’t know. It’s just ridiculous. The biggest problem round here is parking and to take that away. I can’t understand why the crossing can’t be further down by the existing bollards. I don’t see the thought process behind it or understand how whoever came up with the idea thought it would work. It’s going to be right near a roundabout which is going to cause problems.”

Emma Davies-Brown, supervisor at Costa Coffee, said: “I think there will be uproar from a lot of people, because on a weekend and when it’s busy, people use those spaces. When Aldi and Waitrose is full people use those spaces, so I don’t think it’s a good idea. I’m not sure if it will affect the businesses here.”

Chris Collins, manager at Carver Care, said: “I know nothing about this. I think it’s the wrong place to put a crossing because it’s right on a junction and makes a mess of the traffic. I think planners sometimes don’t look at things from a motorist’s point of view.”

Tara Smith, dispenser at Boots, said: “I think it will be safer for the amount of school children – they are all going to the park and there are people crossing there all the time. It’s a nightmare for parking around here anyway, but people do tend to use that little bit.”

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11:24am Thu 22 May 14

Jimtiddlypom says...

The correct title would seem to be "Some anger but quite a lot of satisfaction" though once again there appears to have been a lack of consultation.
The correct title would seem to be "Some anger but quite a lot of satisfaction" though once again there appears to have been a lack of consultation. Jimtiddlypom
  • Score: 1

1:15pm Thu 22 May 14

Weekeminded says...

A classic of local journalism - the author did well to straight bat it - "there will be uproar" (over 3 parking spaces, when a number of others are shortly to be introduced at the top of Fromond), "this is about the only place in Winchester where people can park for nothing" (except for the whole of neighbouring Weeke, Teg Down, Harestock, Waitrose & Aldi carparks, 30 spaces behing Waitrose, etc)

We have obviously all survived for years without it (though I can't speak for the person I saw carted off in an ambulance one evening recently) but the situation has changed since the introduction of Waitrose/Costa.

There are a lot of trips to and from Waitrose/Costa to the park by families, and a lot of additional traffic. It is hard to judge which cars are turning right across the roundabout (indicators people!), left from the Waitrose direction (even worse on the indicators), or doing a hooning U-turn (personally guilty of this one) from the shops - particular issue for those groups slow across the road (e.g. young families), or those not so great at reading traffic (e.g. the tweenage).

The current crossing strategy at Weeke shops is considerate drivers stopping to let people across - which has its own dangers (are you letting me across the road? or the other car through the calming point?) and shows there is a problem.

Having said all that - it does seem curious that local notices were not put up outside the shops - given that the most minor local changes are usually well publicised.
A classic of local journalism - the author did well to straight bat it - "there will be uproar" (over 3 parking spaces, when a number of others are shortly to be introduced at the top of Fromond), "this is about the only place in Winchester where people can park for nothing" (except for the whole of neighbouring Weeke, Teg Down, Harestock, Waitrose & Aldi carparks, 30 spaces behing Waitrose, etc) We have obviously all survived for years without it (though I can't speak for the person I saw carted off in an ambulance one evening recently) but the situation has changed since the introduction of Waitrose/Costa. There are a lot of trips to and from Waitrose/Costa to the park by families, and a lot of additional traffic. It is hard to judge which cars are turning right across the roundabout (indicators people!), left from the Waitrose direction (even worse on the indicators), or doing a hooning U-turn (personally guilty of this one) from the shops - particular issue for those groups slow across the road (e.g. young families), or those not so great at reading traffic (e.g. the tweenage). The current crossing strategy at Weeke shops is considerate drivers stopping to let people across - which has its own dangers (are you letting me across the road? or the other car through the calming point?) and shows there is a problem. Having said all that - it does seem curious that local notices were not put up outside the shops - given that the most minor local changes are usually well publicised. Weekeminded
  • Score: 15

1:47pm Thu 22 May 14

Russell Webb says...

Why can't a pedestrian crossing be located on the pinch point? A lot of people cross here anyway and the traffic is already moving slowly at this point. Why take away parking spaces unnecessarily when the existing feature could be easily modified?
Why can't a pedestrian crossing be located on the pinch point? A lot of people cross here anyway and the traffic is already moving slowly at this point. Why take away parking spaces unnecessarily when the existing feature could be easily modified? Russell Webb
  • Score: 13

9:20pm Thu 22 May 14

chumpster says...

Russell Webb wrote:
Why can't a pedestrian crossing be located on the pinch point? A lot of people cross here anyway and the traffic is already moving slowly at this point. Why take away parking spaces unnecessarily when the existing feature could be easily modified?
Agree, this makes the most sense, although not having it at all makes even more sense as this is where people already cross, seemingly perfectly well enough without the introduction of a zebra crossing.
[quote][p][bold]Russell Webb[/bold] wrote: Why can't a pedestrian crossing be located on the pinch point? A lot of people cross here anyway and the traffic is already moving slowly at this point. Why take away parking spaces unnecessarily when the existing feature could be easily modified?[/p][/quote]Agree, this makes the most sense, although not having it at all makes even more sense as this is where people already cross, seemingly perfectly well enough without the introduction of a zebra crossing. chumpster
  • Score: -2

10:47pm Thu 22 May 14

ascapola says...

The parking places are dangerous on a busy road. Drivers behave erratically as they try to park or get out of parking spaces and the flow of traffic is stopped. It is tricky for people to cross the road and a lot of elderly people use the shops and pharmacy.

Mind you, it sounds like the council is again not consulting local people adequately
The parking places are dangerous on a busy road. Drivers behave erratically as they try to park or get out of parking spaces and the flow of traffic is stopped. It is tricky for people to cross the road and a lot of elderly people use the shops and pharmacy. Mind you, it sounds like the council is again not consulting local people adequately ascapola
  • Score: 2

6:25am Fri 23 May 14

campfreddie says...

This scheme is being promoted by Hampshire County Council. The same authority that accepted fewer parking spaces for both Waitrose and Aldi then their own parking standards dictated. Have you tried to park in Aldi on a Saturday? Half the time there is no space for my Bentley so I have to try and park in Stoney Lane. Losing another 3 spaces so that pedestrians can cross the road is stupid. Can't they drive for goodness sake?

I see Martin Tod is supporting this. No doubt he asked his sandal wearing WinAcc friends what they thought, before asking the shop keepers in the area. No public consultation, no change there then!
This scheme is being promoted by Hampshire County Council. The same authority that accepted fewer parking spaces for both Waitrose and Aldi then their own parking standards dictated. Have you tried to park in Aldi on a Saturday? Half the time there is no space for my Bentley so I have to try and park in Stoney Lane. Losing another 3 spaces so that pedestrians can cross the road is stupid. Can't they drive for goodness sake? I see Martin Tod is supporting this. No doubt he asked his sandal wearing WinAcc friends what they thought, before asking the shop keepers in the area. No public consultation, no change there then! campfreddie
  • Score: 2

8:48am Fri 23 May 14

jonone says...

Russell Webb wrote:
Why can't a pedestrian crossing be located on the pinch point? A lot of people cross here anyway and the traffic is already moving slowly at this point. Why take away parking spaces unnecessarily when the existing feature could be easily modified?
The removal of parking spaces improves the visibility for drivers seeing pedestrians needing to cross. The proposed location is totally wrong though, as soon as more than one person wants to cross, congestion will build up at the junction - also the speed some people drive round that roundabout makes it dangerous. I commented to HCC that the crossing should be at the pinch point further down and got a reply along the lins of "thanks, but decision made" Not much point consulting then!

Of course, the real question boils down to just how many people actually need to drive to those shops - I bet there is a fair few who are just too lazy to walk.
[quote][p][bold]Russell Webb[/bold] wrote: Why can't a pedestrian crossing be located on the pinch point? A lot of people cross here anyway and the traffic is already moving slowly at this point. Why take away parking spaces unnecessarily when the existing feature could be easily modified?[/p][/quote]The removal of parking spaces improves the visibility for drivers seeing pedestrians needing to cross. The proposed location is totally wrong though, as soon as more than one person wants to cross, congestion will build up at the junction - also the speed some people drive round that roundabout makes it dangerous. I commented to HCC that the crossing should be at the pinch point further down and got a reply along the lins of "thanks, but decision made" Not much point consulting then! Of course, the real question boils down to just how many people actually need to drive to those shops - I bet there is a fair few who are just too lazy to walk. jonone
  • Score: 7

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