Plans submitted for wind turbines north of Winchester

Hampshire Chronicle: Plans submitted for wind turbines north of Winchester Plans submitted for wind turbines north of Winchester

A RENEWABLE energy supplier has submitted plans for a wind farm on farmland north of Winchester.

EDF Energy Renewables has submitted a planning application to Winchester City Council, Basingstoke and Deane Borough council and Test Valley Borough Council for a 14-turbines near Bullington Cross.

The original proposal for 17 turbines, up to 126m tall, has been reduced to 14. The plans have been submitted after the completion of thorough onsite surveys and consultation with residents and stakeholders.

Douglas Paterson, chairman of Keep Hampshire Green, said: “It’s an appalling prospect for the beautiful Hampshire countryside. We think this is an appalling thing to do to your landscape and to your neighbours.

“This is all about money and people are becoming increasingly aware that this is a subsidy scam. This isn’t about energy or serving the land, it’s about harvesting subsidies and getting the snout in the trough.

“These turbines will be the height of Salisbury cathedral. So 14 of them with moving parts means the visual impact will be for a radius of about 20 miles.

“Everyone needs to hold fire until the application is officially registered, then we need as many objections as possible. I think we have a fair chance of winning this thing. We hope we can get it thrown out at the first planning committee because it’s just ridiculous.”

Under the proposals, seven of the turbines are located within the Winchester City Council area, four in Basingstoke and Deane and three in Test Valley.

The proposed wind farm would be capable of producing up to 28MW of low carbon energy - enough to supply the annual domestic electricity requirements of approximately 13,000 homes.

Darren Cuming, onshore wind development manager at EDF Energy Renewables, said: “Following consultation with local residents and the completion of detailed environmental studies, we recently submitted our planning application to the councils concerned.

“EDF Energy Renewables is committed to developing new low carbon electricity generating capacity to maintain energy supply, tackle climate change, and maintain affordable energy prices.

“We believe that the site identified at Bullington Cross is an excellent opportunity to establish a wind farm that can contribute towards these requirements.”

As part of the commitment to working towards Government targets for increased electricity generation from renewable sources, EDF Energy Renewables already has over 500MW of onshore and offshore wind farm projects in operation or construction across the country.

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6:27pm Tue 9 Apr 13

griffon says...

If people has taken the advice of Mr Paterson in the past we would have had no railways, electricity pylons, roads or anything that got in the way of his rural fantasies.
If people has taken the advice of Mr Paterson in the past we would have had no railways, electricity pylons, roads or anything that got in the way of his rural fantasies. griffon

12:33am Wed 10 Apr 13

TransitionBasingstoke says...

Um. I wonder, is that the same Mr Douglas Paterson that runs a 2,000 acre farm near Bullington Cross. If it is can we ask Mr Paterson of his view of the Euro 55 billion in subsidies paid by the EU to farmers each year? Can we also ask if it is the same Mr Paterson who is a Director of Rex Paterson Farms Ltd which over the years may have received over 1,000,000 Euros in subsidies from the EU?

Many apologies if this is a different Mr Paterson.

I am all for good honest debate but any sniff of hypocrisy should always be challenged.

Either way I think in the interests of good journalism the Chronicle should be asking these questions and letting us know the answer.
Um. I wonder, is that the same Mr Douglas Paterson that runs a 2,000 acre farm near Bullington Cross. If it is can we ask Mr Paterson of his view of the Euro 55 billion in subsidies paid by the EU to farmers each year? Can we also ask if it is the same Mr Paterson who is a Director of Rex Paterson Farms Ltd which over the years may have received over 1,000,000 Euros in subsidies from the EU? Many apologies if this is a different Mr Paterson. I am all for good honest debate but any sniff of hypocrisy should always be challenged. Either way I think in the interests of good journalism the Chronicle should be asking these questions and letting us know the answer. TransitionBasingstoke

12:10pm Wed 10 Apr 13

save energy says...

( “EDF Energy Renewables already has over 500MW of onshore and offshore wind farm projects in operation or construction across the country.” )

And make a fortune out of the subsidy’s.

For example- EDFs High Hedley Hope windfarm, gave them almost £million in 2012.
See the OFGEM figs - http://www.variablep
itch.co.uk/station/2
06/

For a flavour of CASH generated by windfarms per mth, (More than 50% is subsidy’s.) see- http://www.variablep
itch.co.uk/summary/m
oney/

( See this List of some (700ish) UK windfarms – includes Generation payments, OFGEM ROC payments + Capacity factors, Outputs, Graphs, Maps. - http://www.variablep
itch.co.uk/stations/ )

Wind Turbines-
Do they cost us money -YES
Are the subsidies a scam – YES
Are they a good investment for the developer – YES
Do they cut CO2 – NO
Do they give reliable energy - NO
Do they give energy security - NO
Are they fit for purpose - NO
Should we build more – NO

They are the wrong technology for the job, chosen by ill-informed politicians, not engineers.

Note:-
As at July 2012,

74% of ALL British Electricity Generating is foreign owned.!!
( “EDF Energy Renewables already has over 500MW of onshore and offshore wind farm projects in operation or construction across the country.” ) And make a fortune out of the subsidy’s. For example- EDFs High Hedley Hope windfarm, gave them almost £million in 2012. See the OFGEM figs - http://www.variablep itch.co.uk/station/2 06/ For a flavour of CASH generated by windfarms per mth, (More than 50% is subsidy’s.) see- http://www.variablep itch.co.uk/summary/m oney/ ( See this List of some (700ish) UK windfarms – includes Generation payments, OFGEM ROC payments + Capacity factors, Outputs, Graphs, Maps. - http://www.variablep itch.co.uk/stations/ ) Wind Turbines- Do they cost us money -YES Are the subsidies a scam – YES Are they a good investment for the developer – YES Do they cut CO2 – NO Do they give reliable energy - NO Do they give energy security - NO Are they fit for purpose - NO Should we build more – NO They are the wrong technology for the job, chosen by ill-informed politicians, not engineers. Note:- As at July 2012, 74% of ALL British Electricity Generating is foreign owned.!! save energy

9:00am Thu 11 Apr 13

Yves1977 says...

TransitionBasingstok
e
wrote:
Um. I wonder, is that the same Mr Douglas Paterson that runs a 2,000 acre farm near Bullington Cross. If it is can we ask Mr Paterson of his view of the Euro 55 billion in subsidies paid by the EU to farmers each year? Can we also ask if it is the same Mr Paterson who is a Director of Rex Paterson Farms Ltd which over the years may have received over 1,000,000 Euros in subsidies from the EU?

Many apologies if this is a different Mr Paterson.

I am all for good honest debate but any sniff of hypocrisy should always be challenged.

Either way I think in the interests of good journalism the Chronicle should be asking these questions and letting us know the answer.
"Either way I think in the interests of good journalism the Chronicle should be asking these questions and letting us know the answer."
Looks like you already have!
[quote][p][bold]TransitionBasingstok e[/bold] wrote: Um. I wonder, is that the same Mr Douglas Paterson that runs a 2,000 acre farm near Bullington Cross. If it is can we ask Mr Paterson of his view of the Euro 55 billion in subsidies paid by the EU to farmers each year? Can we also ask if it is the same Mr Paterson who is a Director of Rex Paterson Farms Ltd which over the years may have received over 1,000,000 Euros in subsidies from the EU? Many apologies if this is a different Mr Paterson. I am all for good honest debate but any sniff of hypocrisy should always be challenged. Either way I think in the interests of good journalism the Chronicle should be asking these questions and letting us know the answer.[/p][/quote]"Either way I think in the interests of good journalism the Chronicle should be asking these questions and letting us know the answer." Looks like you already have! Yves1977

11:32am Fri 12 Apr 13

rupertmarks says...

I first heard about Bullington Cross at a WinACC open meeting, but as a keen lover of the envrionment, I can't help thinking that any feelings about the wind turbines should come from the residents of Micheldever, as it will effect them the most. Living on the Tyford side of the city, I may be able to see them, but I doubt I will notice them much. So it is up to the poeple of Micheldever to voice their opposition, not me.
I first heard about Bullington Cross at a WinACC open meeting, but as a keen lover of the envrionment, I can't help thinking that any feelings about the wind turbines should come from the residents of Micheldever, as it will effect them the most. Living on the Tyford side of the city, I may be able to see them, but I doubt I will notice them much. So it is up to the poeple of Micheldever to voice their opposition, not me. rupertmarks

1:40pm Fri 12 Apr 13

eddster says...

Am I the only one that thinks wind turbines are a good idea? I also don't see that Bullington Cross is such a bad place to put them.

Personally, I'd rather they were there than a blight on our national parks which is another worrying possibility.

Clearly the subsidies are working as intended (as incentives) if people are taking advantage of them. Isn't that the point?

Maybe I'm a little naive but the more we work on this kind of energy and the less on nuclear (which I detest) and coal fired/waste burning power stations, the better.
Am I the only one that thinks wind turbines are a good idea? I also don't see that Bullington Cross is such a bad place to put them. Personally, I'd rather they were there than a blight on our national parks which is another worrying possibility. Clearly the subsidies are working as intended (as incentives) if people are taking advantage of them. Isn't that the point? Maybe I'm a little naive but the more we work on this kind of energy and the less on nuclear (which I detest) and coal fired/waste burning power stations, the better. eddster

1:55pm Fri 12 Apr 13

jonone says...

When we do start having energy shortages, can we please take note of Mr Paterson and any other objectors to such schemes and ensure their electricity supplies are restricted/cut first? Thanks.
When we do start having energy shortages, can we please take note of Mr Paterson and any other objectors to such schemes and ensure their electricity supplies are restricted/cut first? Thanks. jonone

3:25pm Fri 12 Apr 13

Winchester Action on Climate Change says...

WinACC is strongly in favour of wind power. We want to see much more generation of renewable energy in Winchester District to help reduce the UK’s greenhouse gas emissions. Because WinACC always judges each proposal on its merits, we are looking forward to reading EDF’s application to come to a definite conclusion. Meanwhile, we need an informed public debate. For example, wind farms DO cut CO2 emssions, and the subsidy is about the same as that for solar panels on your roof. Let’s base this discussion on the facts – see http://www.winacc.or
g.uk/windpower
WinACC is strongly in favour of wind power. We want to see much more generation of renewable energy in Winchester District to help reduce the UK’s greenhouse gas emissions. Because WinACC always judges each proposal on its merits, we are looking forward to reading EDF’s application to come to a definite conclusion. Meanwhile, we need an informed public debate. For example, wind farms DO cut CO2 emssions, and the subsidy is about the same as that for solar panels on your roof. Let’s base this discussion on the facts – see http://www.winacc.or g.uk/windpower Winchester Action on Climate Change

9:07pm Fri 12 Apr 13

save energy says...

I agree, we should base all discussions on fact & truth; not on ill-informed claptrap as found on that link. – “Wind energy and electricity production”

Its an obvious re-write of std wind industry sales literature, not only devoid of facts but full of mistakes & twisted truths, sufficiently bad enough to be reportable to the ASA.
For instance
( “Wind produces less than a third of the greenhouse gas emissions produced by nuclear,” )
Well not according to The Parliamentary Office of Science and Technology,

tones CO2 e/GWh
Nuclear old 26
Nuclear new build plant. 7

Wind –offshore 13
Wind-land 20

Loads of other ‘mistakes’ on that page & on most of the other pages I scanned; get them checked by a professional power engineer.

As I write this, on a clear cold night, 2°C, the UKs entire 4,491 wind turbine fleet is producing-
just … 2.2% of demand !!! pathetic.
BUT making loads of cash for developers (mainly foreign), & prices are set to rise again to pay for it all.

So fortunately 79% of our energy is being supplied by coal & gas & 20% by nuclear.
See - http://www.gridwatch
.templar.co.uk/
I agree, we should base all discussions on fact & truth; not on ill-informed claptrap as found on that link. – “Wind energy and electricity production” Its an obvious re-write of std wind industry sales literature, not only devoid of facts but full of mistakes & twisted truths, sufficiently bad enough to be reportable to the ASA. For instance ( “Wind produces less than a third of the greenhouse gas emissions produced by nuclear,” ) Well not according to The Parliamentary Office of Science and Technology, tones CO2 e/GWh Nuclear old 26 Nuclear new build plant. 7 Wind –offshore 13 Wind-land 20 Loads of other ‘mistakes’ on that page & on most of the other pages I scanned; get them checked by a professional power engineer. As I write this, on a clear cold night, 2°C, the UKs entire 4,491 wind turbine fleet is producing- just … 2.2% of demand !!! pathetic. BUT making loads of cash for developers (mainly foreign), & prices are set to rise again to pay for it all. So fortunately 79% of our energy is being supplied by coal & gas & 20% by nuclear. See - http://www.gridwatch .templar.co.uk/ save energy

1:27am Mon 15 Apr 13

TransitionBasingstoke says...

Dear SaveEnergy

All your data is very interesting and shows that;

Wind plays a major part in the UK energy system (as I write 23:40 14th April) 15.8% of all our electricity is being generated by wind power.

Wind is cheaper than Nuclear. Nuclear power already receives a greater subsidy then wind power does and the subsidy for nuclear is going up. It’s coming down for wind.

Wind power is cleaner than nuclear by about a factor of 2 and cleaner than coal by a factor of 25

So I am not sure what your argument is. It’s either

1. All subsidies are bad and any form of generation that requires them should be stopped. (The point of your first post). And therefore we should have no nuclear and no wind power. I wonder do you think we should close down the railways and the farms as well?

2. That all forms of electricity generation that make money for “foreigners” should be banned. (The point of your second post). But your own data shows that much of our energy industry (fossil fuelled and renewables) is owned by German companies such as RWE and Eon or French companies such as EDF. Are you suggesting that their ownership of UK based assets should be “privatised” and brought back under British control?

It seems to me that having some of our electricity generated by the wind for “free” is a good idea. I would like to see some of these wind power owned by the local community as well. But I am afraid I really can’t agree with your suggestions of either closing down all forms of subsidised activity and/or privatising the entire UK energy supply industry. That is going too far!
Dear SaveEnergy All your data is very interesting and shows that; Wind plays a major part in the UK energy system (as I write 23:40 14th April) 15.8% of all our electricity is being generated by wind power. Wind is cheaper than Nuclear. Nuclear power already receives a greater subsidy then wind power does and the subsidy for nuclear is going up. It’s coming down for wind. Wind power is cleaner than nuclear by about a factor of 2 and cleaner than coal by a factor of 25 So I am not sure what your argument is. It’s either 1. All subsidies are bad and any form of generation that requires them should be stopped. (The point of your first post). And therefore we should have no nuclear and no wind power. I wonder do you think we should close down the railways and the farms as well? 2. That all forms of electricity generation that make money for “foreigners” should be banned. (The point of your second post). But your own data shows that much of our energy industry (fossil fuelled and renewables) is owned by German companies such as RWE and Eon or French companies such as EDF. Are you suggesting that their ownership of UK based assets should be “privatised” and brought back under British control? It seems to me that having some of our electricity generated by the wind for “free” is a good idea. I would like to see some of these wind power owned by the local community as well. But I am afraid I really can’t agree with your suggestions of either closing down all forms of subsidised activity and/or privatising the entire UK energy supply industry. That is going too far! TransitionBasingstoke

12:47pm Mon 15 Apr 13

BrianJS says...

Just to comment on Save Energy’s views on the WinACC post, not on his other views. He is correct in quoting what the Parliamentary Office for Science and Technology (POST) says. However, if he follows up some of their references, or the report (and references in that) at the end of the WinACC wind power page (winacc.org.uk/windp
ower), he will see that the range of estimates for the CO2 emissions from nuclear power vary from about 5 to 200 tonnes CO2eq per GWh. POST have chosen, for whatever reason, to quote the lowest figure. More often an “average” of about 65 is used, as has WinACC. It is complex to do these calculations, as the variation demonstrates. Whatever the real answer, the emissions from nuclear are likely to be far less than from fossil fuels (oil, coal or gas), and probably a several times larger than from wind power.
I suggest he looks in a little more detail at the various WinACC reports and their references to gain a greater understanding of the topic.
As I write, on a not particularly breezy Monday morning in Winchester 9.7% of the UK’s electricity is being produced by wind.
Just to comment on Save Energy’s views on the WinACC post, not on his other views. He is correct in quoting what the Parliamentary Office for Science and Technology (POST) says. However, if he follows up some of their references, or the report (and references in that) at the end of the WinACC wind power page (winacc.org.uk/windp ower), he will see that the range of estimates for the CO2 emissions from nuclear power vary from about 5 to 200 tonnes CO2eq per GWh. POST have chosen, for whatever reason, to quote the lowest figure. More often an “average” of about 65 is used, as has WinACC. It is complex to do these calculations, as the variation demonstrates. Whatever the real answer, the emissions from nuclear are likely to be far less than from fossil fuels (oil, coal or gas), and probably a several times larger than from wind power. I suggest he looks in a little more detail at the various WinACC reports and their references to gain a greater understanding of the topic. As I write, on a not particularly breezy Monday morning in Winchester 9.7% of the UK’s electricity is being produced by wind. BrianJS

3:35pm Mon 15 Apr 13

macbeth101 says...

I think Bullington Cross is a great spot for them, but agree they don't look great everywhere (I wouldn't want them atop St Catherine's hill for example).

I don't understand the short-sighted opposition to renewable energy, do these objectors honestly think that their energy bills will get cheaper as coal and gas reserves are diminished? Portugal embraced renewables in the early 2000s, and now get over 50% of their electricity from renewables. I believe Scotland now gets 30% of it's electricity from wind, and is on track for 50% by 2015 (although I admit Scotland is windier than hampshire).
I think Bullington Cross is a great spot for them, but agree they don't look great everywhere (I wouldn't want them atop St Catherine's hill for example). I don't understand the short-sighted opposition to renewable energy, do these objectors honestly think that their energy bills will get cheaper as coal and gas reserves are diminished? Portugal embraced renewables in the early 2000s, and now get over 50% of their electricity from renewables. I believe Scotland now gets 30% of it's electricity from wind, and is on track for 50% by 2015 (although I admit Scotland is windier than hampshire). macbeth101

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