Campaign launched for Gay Pride festival in Southampton (From Hampshire Chronicle)
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Campaign launched for Gay Pride festival in Southampton
1:00pm Sunday 16th September 2012 in Leisure
By Michael Carr, Reporter
Campaigners want a Gay Pride festival in Southampton
A CAMPAIGN has been launched to bring a Gay Pride festival to Southampton .
This year there have been 38 Gay Pride festivals across the country, the biggest of which is in Brighton, attracting more than 30,000 revellers.
Campaigners want a similar event in Southampton.
Chrisie Edkins, a 31-year-old transgender singer from West End , is leading the push and has started a petition, already signed by hundreds of people backing a Gay Pride festival for the city. She claims that hosting a Pride event in Southampton will cost £15,000 and wants it to be funded from a council grant or support from the Southampton business community. Miss Edkins argued that having a Pride festival in Southampton will bring tourism to the city.
She said: “I feel that Southampton is lacking a Pride event. Most large Pride events attract a crowd from across the surrounding area. “I know a Pride event will bring people to Southampton. “It would be nice if we had this event in Southampton to celebrate our diversity and acceptance.”
She plans for the festival to be held in late 2013, marching through the city centre to Southampton Common, where there will be a stage for live music. The Edge Nightclub supports the campaign and operation manager Nicholas Lindner said: “The gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender population of Southampton deserve to be recognised. “Given the right support, I am sure that Southampton Pride could grow into a very popular annual event.”
A similar Pride event in Southampton was staged in July 2005, but it failed to gather enough support and was stopped.
A spokesman for Southampton City Council said they encourage events like a Pride Festival in Southampton but are unlikely to be able to afford the cost.
He said: “The council is keen to encourage individuals and groups to organise a wide range of events. “While we may be unable to find financial aid – we would offer the same level of support that we do for many other event organisers.”
- To sign the petition log on to change.org/petitions .
Comments(84)
S Pance
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1:13pm Sun 16 Sep 12
Funding from the Council? No. There are more pressing things that need Council money.
Funding from the business community? Fine. Go out there, convince local businesses to give you the £15k and I'm sure the Council/public will support you.
Sheitma
nedscrumpo
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1:19pm Sun 16 Sep 12
MGRA
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1:20pm Sun 16 Sep 12
Georgem
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1:28pm Sun 16 Sep 12
nedscrumpo wrote:Start one.
What about a Straight Pride Festival as well?
It's always the same when some minority wants to arrange something. "What about the rest of us?" comes the plaintive cry, bemoaning the fact that they, apparently, are not recognised. It never occurs to people that these events are organised by someone interested in them. They don't just happen by magic, someone has to take the initiative. You want a "straight pride"? Go make it happen. Simple enough, really.
bazzeroz
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1:45pm Sun 16 Sep 12
MGRA
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1:50pm Sun 16 Sep 12
fuzzyfelt
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1:57pm Sun 16 Sep 12
Brite Spark
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2:02pm Sun 16 Sep 12
fuzzyfelt wrote:Good points well made mate.
being gay myself i tend to believe that we are now accepted by (most) of the so called normals that we dont need a pride festival to show off the stereotypes expected of us ....most gay venues are struggling and those that arent are in central london or like the London Hotel and the Edge are frequented mostly by straight people or students, alternatively those of us who aren't camp screaming stereotypes can be found with our friends in any bar or club in town you may care to mention . im not distancing myself from my gay peers i just dont see myself reflected in them much any more
G-man1
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2:06pm Sun 16 Sep 12
Higginz
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2:13pm Sun 16 Sep 12
Georgem
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2:20pm Sun 16 Sep 12
Brite Spark wrote:They're proud as opposed to ashamed, I suppose. I can see why it started, but I'm with you - someone's sexuality, regardless of what it is, is neither a matter of shame nor pride: it's just a facet of their character, and nothing more.
Each to their own but why dress like that and behave like they do at these events? Why can't these otherwise decent people be gay and keep quiet about it? I agree with nedscrumpo, why don't we promote a Normal Pride Festival, or would gays find that offensive? I don't understand why men are proud of being gay to be honest.
Georgem
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2:24pm Sun 16 Sep 12
fuzzyfelt wrote:I caught some of Pride NYC earlier in the year, and entertaining though it was, I did wonder how relevant it is these days. Of course, NYC was where the entire gay rights movement really started, but these days being openly gay is accepted in a major chunk of the world. Like you say, Pride seems to embrace the stereotypes that are brought on by, or invite, prejudice.
being gay myself i tend to believe that we are now accepted by (most) of the so called normals that we dont need a pride festival to show off the stereotypes expected of us ....most gay venues are struggling and those that arent are in central london or like the London Hotel and the Edge are frequented mostly by straight people or students, alternatively those of us who aren't camp screaming stereotypes can be found with our friends in any bar or club in town you may care to mention . im not distancing myself from my gay peers i just dont see myself reflected in them much any more
Georgem
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2:24pm Sun 16 Sep 12
chunky_lover wrote:Relevant username?
Higginz wrote:haha so true!
Thick, pretty, chubby bird pride, round at mine on Tuesdays. Bring your own diet coke.
Higginz
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3:02pm Sun 16 Sep 12
Georgem wrote:Indeed. It's based on Professor Higgins from My Fair Lady. I forget the reason for the choice now though.
chunky_lover wrote:Relevant username?Higginz wrote: Thick, pretty, chubby bird pride, round at mine on Tuesdays. Bring your own diet coke.haha so true!
eurogordi
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3:16pm Sun 16 Sep 12
nedscrumpo wrote:Here, Here !
What about a Straight Pride Festival as well?
I have nothing against the GLBT community, but I do not understand why Gay Pride has to be such an over the top statement of how some people are. I don't go around in extrovert clothing to prove I am straight!
eurogordi
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3:21pm Sun 16 Sep 12
fuzzyfelt wrote:Very well said.
being gay myself i tend to believe that we are now accepted by (most) of the so called normals that we dont need a pride festival to show off the stereotypes expected of us ....most gay venues are struggling and those that arent are in central london or like the London Hotel and the Edge are frequented mostly by straight people or students, alternatively those of us who aren't camp screaming stereotypes can be found with our friends in any bar or club in town you may care to mention . im not distancing myself from my gay peers i just dont see myself reflected in them much any more
MGRA
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3:39pm Sun 16 Sep 12
fuzzyfelt wrote:spot on....
being gay myself i tend to believe that we are now accepted by (most) of the so called normals that we dont need a pride festival to show off the stereotypes expected of us ....most gay venues are struggling and those that arent are in central london or like the London Hotel and the Edge are frequented mostly by straight people or students, alternatively those of us who aren't camp screaming stereotypes can be found with our friends in any bar or club in town you may care to mention . im not distancing myself from my gay peers i just dont see myself reflected in them much any more
Georgem
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3:43pm Sun 16 Sep 12
eurogordi wrote:Well, to be fair, nobody's ever had to hide the fact that they're straight, just to fit into 'normal' society. I understand why the Pride movement started, but it's worked - nobody cares if you're gay any more.
nedscrumpo wrote:Here, Here !
What about a Straight Pride Festival as well?
I have nothing against the GLBT community, but I do not understand why Gay Pride has to be such an over the top statement of how some people are. I don't go around in extrovert clothing to prove I am straight!
McSholing
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3:53pm Sun 16 Sep 12
justanobody
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3:57pm Sun 16 Sep 12
There is still a great deal of homophobia about in this city and can be encountered weekly by narrow minded people who seem to be scared of something they dont know about and it comes from all age groups.
The need for some form of display of unity is required, but it has to come from the community and supported by all and celebrated by many.
A number of people will say great lets do it, I'll be there, The reality is quite different. as shown in previous events.
Everyone is very quick to have an opinion, less quick to get involved in assisting with the organising, and slower at attending an event to make it a success.
Getting local businesses to a help fund it may also back fire, as many people slate companies that do this as they then say they are profiteering from it.
damned if you do damned if you don't.
Good luck to all involved and Come on people of the LGBT community. get off your backsides and support it!!!! be positive
sparkster
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4:14pm Sun 16 Sep 12
Jonnyshepherd
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4:18pm Sun 16 Sep 12
justanobody
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4:21pm Sun 16 Sep 12
There are a great deal of other things that deserve that money in the current climate, where all walks of life get to benefit.
just bear in mind that the current weather has caused no end of cancelled events this year, the Mela festival lost £70K this year due to bad weather.
insurance is key.
Brightons Pride event, Policing cost them £18k alone this year!
justanobody
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4:21pm Sun 16 Sep 12
Jonnyshepherd wrote:Absolutely!
If someone questioned the need for say, the Notting Hill Carnival, there would be general outrage and accusations of racism. Why is it any different for the need for a LGBT Pride? Both events are celebrations of the culture of a minority population, in all its various forms. And both events are open to the wider community too,
wilson castaway
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5:07pm Sun 16 Sep 12
sotonbusdriver
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5:13pm Sun 16 Sep 12
There is streetlight that needs improving, roads need repairing, community centres that need upgrading, which who benefit a larger number of people and have a lasting effect.
Rather than 4 minutes glory for a minority so to speak.
The Council have pleaded POVERTY the past few years, limited pay increase for staff, reduced jobs within the Council, yet by this article would give best part of a persons yearly wage away for a little event that is well covered in many other local communities along the coast...
spike80256
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5:36pm Sun 16 Sep 12
Georgem
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5:36pm Sun 16 Sep 12
justanobody wrote:What I mean about nobody caring if someone's gay is that people don't get shunned for it any more. Of course homophobia still exists, and probably always will to some extent, but being gay is no longer something people need to hide.
I have to say that teh "nobody cares if your gay anymore" is quite wrong.
There is still a great deal of homophobia about in this city and can be encountered weekly by narrow minded people who seem to be scared of something they dont know about and it comes from all age groups.
The need for some form of display of unity is required, but it has to come from the community and supported by all and celebrated by many.
A number of people will say great lets do it, I'll be there, The reality is quite different. as shown in previous events.
Everyone is very quick to have an opinion, less quick to get involved in assisting with the organising, and slower at attending an event to make it a success.
Getting local businesses to a help fund it may also back fire, as many people slate companies that do this as they then say they are profiteering from it.
damned if you do damned if you don't.
Good luck to all involved and Come on people of the LGBT community. get off your backsides and support it!!!! be positive
IronLady2010
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5:53pm Sun 16 Sep 12
My personal thought is that I see no need in a 'pride', I fear that on one hand people ask to be treated normally in society and then on the other hand go and hold an event such as this, thus causing a segregation again.
S Pance
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5:54pm Sun 16 Sep 12
Georgem wrote:If this gay pride event gets £15k from the council then I certainly will be putting in an application for a straight pride one!
nedscrumpo wrote: What about a Straight Pride Festival as well?Start one. It's always the same when some minority wants to arrange something. "What about the rest of us?" comes the plaintive cry, bemoaning the fact that they, apparently, are not recognised. It never occurs to people that these events are organised by someone interested in them. They don't just happen by magic, someone has to take the initiative. You want a "straight pride"? Go make it happen. Simple enough, really.
Obviously, the council wouldn't want to discriminate ans will give an equal amount of money...
Just goes to show that the council should refuse to fund this event, otherwise they'll have to give equal money to similar events.
(What business does is up to them)
fuzzyfelt
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6:10pm Sun 16 Sep 12
Georgem wrote:still true sir , the main stereotypes are the ones who curl my toes up , and they too are the ones who encounter a large amount of the homophobia .......
justanobody wrote:What I mean about nobody caring if someone's gay is that people don't get shunned for it any more. Of course homophobia still exists, and probably always will to some extent, but being gay is no longer something people need to hide.
I have to say that teh "nobody cares if your gay anymore" is quite wrong.
There is still a great deal of homophobia about in this city and can be encountered weekly by narrow minded people who seem to be scared of something they dont know about and it comes from all age groups.
The need for some form of display of unity is required, but it has to come from the community and supported by all and celebrated by many.
A number of people will say great lets do it, I'll be there, The reality is quite different. as shown in previous events.
Everyone is very quick to have an opinion, less quick to get involved in assisting with the organising, and slower at attending an event to make it a success.
Getting local businesses to a help fund it may also back fire, as many people slate companies that do this as they then say they are profiteering from it.
damned if you do damned if you don't.
Good luck to all involved and Come on people of the LGBT community. get off your backsides and support it!!!! be positive
what does or doesnt go on in a persons bedroom is their business . some straight men feel threatened for what ever reason but beating up a camp queen surley makes them weaker in all but the most rose tinted specticals
IronLady2010
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6:21pm Sun 16 Sep 12
Then the entire Southampton community could mix together and have fun.
Inform Al
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6:31pm Sun 16 Sep 12
IronLady2010 wrote:100% agree, Of course vwe used to have a big festival on the common. if it's revived it should as you say be for all. I couldn't give a monkey's what sexuality others might profess just so long as any blue eyed, busty bird that wants to plant a kiss on me doesn't object to my Bogie Street 'hand' shake while I make sure.
Maybe moving forward the Council could help fund a mutli-cultural festival? One big festival, with 'areas' for all walks of life.... A Gay area, Indian, African, Thai etc etc.
Then the entire Southampton community could mix together and have fun.
ReverendPaul
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6:41pm Sun 16 Sep 12
cantthinkofone
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6:58pm Sun 16 Sep 12
I'd happily sign the petition, but the link appears not to be working (in Chrome anyway).
cantthinkofone
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6:59pm Sun 16 Sep 12
IronLady2010
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7:05pm Sun 16 Sep 12
cantthinkofone wrote:It is working in chrome, there is a . at the end of the link, ensure you remove it
Having lived in various parts of the country, when I moved to Southampton I was struck by how commonplace casual racism and homophobia are. As such, I'd support any attempt to push back against this bigotry.
I'd happily sign the petition, but the link appears not to be working (in Chrome anyway).
change.org/petitions
/southampton-to-have
-a-lgbt-pride-southa
mpton-council-govern
ment-to-recognise-th
e-need-for-a-pride
kevin007
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7:50pm Sun 16 Sep 12
Scrutinizer
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8:03pm Sun 16 Sep 12
nedscrumpo
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8:19pm Sun 16 Sep 12
cantthinkofone
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8:30pm Sun 16 Sep 12
IronLady2010 wrote:Nope, still not working. Possibly due to an extension I have installed or something.
cantthinkofone wrote:It is working in chrome, there is a . at the end of the link, ensure you remove it
Having lived in various parts of the country, when I moved to Southampton I was struck by how commonplace casual racism and homophobia are. As such, I'd support any attempt to push back against this bigotry.
I'd happily sign the petition, but the link appears not to be working (in Chrome anyway).
change.org/petitions
/southampton-to-have
-a-lgbt-pride-southa
mpton-council-govern
ment-to-recognise-th
e-need-for-a-pride
Not to worry though, I resorted to IE. Signed.
MGRA
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11:02pm Sun 16 Sep 12
chunky_lover
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11:04pm Sun 16 Sep 12
Higginz wrote:haha, it's homer simpsons handle. personally im not a fan of the overweight.
Georgem wrote:Indeed. It's based on Professor Higgins from My Fair Lady. I forget the reason for the choice now though.
chunky_lover wrote:Relevant username?Higginz wrote: Thick, pretty, chubby bird pride, round at mine on Tuesdays. Bring your own diet coke.haha so true!
IronLady2010
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11:09pm Sun 16 Sep 12
MGRA wrote:If we're all honest with each other, it matters not who is kissing. Walking past a 'straight' couple with tongues down the throat isn't exactly a pleasant sight.
I do not like seeing two guys kissing... its makes me feel "urghh".. BUT the thought of tow guys kissing in private because they love each other makes me feel rather happy... thats the thing that we are ... Human !! somethings just do not make sense , or do they ? I am DNA programmed to be attracted to females so the species keeps going so it makes perfect sense. I have homosexual friends, have no problem with them or their lifestyles at all,,, but,,,, am DNA programmed to find watching it uncomfortable. Thats the reality. I am no "phobic", its just science.
People should be allowed to do what ever they want within the Law. Maybe we just ban snogging in public ;-)
Shoong
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12:32am Mon 17 Sep 12
Linesman
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9:09am Mon 17 Sep 12
nedscrumpo wrote:Would there be enough for a parade?
What about a Straight Pride Festival as well?
Reality-man
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9:38am Mon 17 Sep 12
For pity sake
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10:09am Mon 17 Sep 12
spike80256 wrote:Wast(e) of an education.
wast of money
JTW
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10:29am Mon 17 Sep 12
Seems like a double standard when £70,000 of public money is given to the Mela festival and they can’t even spare a small amount of £15,000 when smaller councils with less funding can.
I won’t be voting for this council next election.
CyberWarrior
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10:39am Mon 17 Sep 12
ignorant/homophobic w@nkers. Until such time as we have a gay club that gay people actually want to use ('cos at the moment there is no choice) that caters for punters accross the spectrum Pride festivals should stay in Brighton, Bournemouth and London.
HannahBoo3131
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12:19pm Mon 17 Sep 12
A straight Pride? You can see one in every nightclub in the country.
There is nothing wrong with a minority group coming together to celebrate a unique identity. Plenty of straight people also attend Pride you ignorant fools!
You have nothing to fear from it, trust me.
Why must people dress like that? Well why shouldn't they? They are not forcing you to follow suit.
Other precedents have been set, re the celebration of unique culture, a massive one being the Notting Hill Carnival in London.
It is attitudes such as these that push the LGBTQ community back into the shadows, because a bunch of NIMBI's think they speak the gospel truth.
Well newsflash. You don't speak for me.
Ironically though, such bigotry as that displayed by some posters here underlines the need for a Pride. So thanks for your help.
bikerkid
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12:25pm Mon 17 Sep 12
xenolizes
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1:20pm Mon 17 Sep 12
HannahBoo3131 wrote:Absolutely agree, im not one to flaunt the fact i am gay, in fact most people assume im straight until i mention otherwise. But reading some of the comments on this article makes me really want to support this pride event.
How out of date ARE some of these bigoted comments?
A straight Pride? You can see one in every nightclub in the country.
There is nothing wrong with a minority group coming together to celebrate a unique identity. Plenty of straight people also attend Pride you ignorant fools!
You have nothing to fear from it, trust me.
Why must people dress like that? Well why shouldn't they? They are not forcing you to follow suit.
Other precedents have been set, re the celebration of unique culture, a massive one being the Notting Hill Carnival in London.
It is attitudes such as these that push the LGBTQ community back into the shadows, because a bunch of NIMBI's think they speak the gospel truth.
Well newsflash. You don't speak for me.
Ironically though, such bigotry as that displayed by some posters here underlines the need for a Pride. So thanks for your help.
And as for ohec's comment "Idiot i might be sick and depraved i am not" your true colours are really shining now arent they! How am i sick and depraved for loving another man and experiencing the world together? how does that differ from a straight relationship?? love is love at the end of the day.
rightway
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2:43pm Mon 17 Sep 12
There are worthier causes money could be allocated to than this kind of self-indulgent spectacle.
KA
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2:58pm Mon 17 Sep 12
xenolizes wrote:Well said...
HannahBoo3131 wrote:Absolutely agree, im not one to flaunt the fact i am gay, in fact most people assume im straight until i mention otherwise. But reading some of the comments on this article makes me really want to support this pride event.
How out of date ARE some of these bigoted comments?
A straight Pride? You can see one in every nightclub in the country.
There is nothing wrong with a minority group coming together to celebrate a unique identity. Plenty of straight people also attend Pride you ignorant fools!
You have nothing to fear from it, trust me.
Why must people dress like that? Well why shouldn't they? They are not forcing you to follow suit.
Other precedents have been set, re the celebration of unique culture, a massive one being the Notting Hill Carnival in London.
It is attitudes such as these that push the LGBTQ community back into the shadows, because a bunch of NIMBI's think they speak the gospel truth.
Well newsflash. You don't speak for me.
Ironically though, such bigotry as that displayed by some posters here underlines the need for a Pride. So thanks for your help.
And as for ohec's comment "Idiot i might be sick and depraved i am not" your true colours are really shining now arent they! How am i sick and depraved for loving another man and experiencing the world together? how does that differ from a straight relationship?? love is love at the end of the day.
JTW
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3:10pm Mon 17 Sep 12
Seems like any other minority group can get funding apart from the LGBT.
Southampton city council seem to do very little for the Gay community.
Will be interesting to know how much money in total the Council has given to Events for other minority groups.
seventh-junction
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3:47pm Mon 17 Sep 12
McSholing wrote:Spot on
Show how proud you are of liberal England. Start off from the main mosque.
jediprincess
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3:53pm Mon 17 Sep 12
and people saying why pay for this when there are other things that need fixing ect, they are two very different budgets, councils have their budgets split for different things.
as a tax payer you don't want you money being spent on this?
what about all the GLBT people who pay tax and council tax?
i support this pride event and fingers crossed it will go ahead and bring southampton and surrounding cities closer
Inform Al
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4:19pm Mon 17 Sep 12
jediprincess wrote:I have no objection to any group organising an event using their own finance. The best events I have seen recently in Southampton are those organised by the Sikh temples, I'm very sure those fantastic colourful displays do not cost the rest of us any money. So if you want it, you pay for it.
after reading loads of responses it shows that there is need for a pride festival,
and people saying why pay for this when there are other things that need fixing ect, they are two very different budgets, councils have their budgets split for different things.
as a tax payer you don't want you money being spent on this?
what about all the GLBT people who pay tax and council tax?
i support this pride event and fingers crossed it will go ahead and bring southampton and surrounding cities closer
Georgem
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4:44pm Mon 17 Sep 12
rightway
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4:58pm Mon 17 Sep 12
bikerkid wrote:I don't think there has been that much talk about Adam and Eve on here, but if you do want to bring the bible onto the discussion please remember it was,
All this talk about Adam & eve etc, just goes to show how uneducated people are. The bible can be manipulated to suit most outcomes and beliefs,seriously people, hard to believe its 2012!!!.
Adam and Eve
not
Adam and Steve
mack chinnon
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5:35pm Mon 17 Sep 12
On another note my next door neighbour is bent as an arabs dagger and a really nice fella.
Inform Al
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6:49pm Mon 17 Sep 12
Georgem wrote:And Idon't like the flawed idea that my money should be wasted on events that can only benefit a small section of society. Public money should only be used on events that can be used by a cross section of society. If a group of men want an event, they should finance it. If a group of women want an event, they should finance it. If we all want an event then public money could be considered. It's called 'equality'.
I do love this whole flawed idea that public money shouldn't be used on anything that any individual is not personally interested in.
skin2000
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7:30pm Mon 17 Sep 12
mack chinnon wrote:Shall I put you down for 2 tickets?
Just been told ny the echo that my comments have upset people. I didnt say I dont like faggots I just said watching men snogging makes me heave. I am not alone.
On another note my next door neighbour is bent as an arabs dagger and a really nice fella.
Georgem
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7:41pm Mon 17 Sep 12
Inform Al wrote:Gay Pride IS for all of us. The people actively taking part are not the only people involved. You can go watch it. Just because you choose not to, does not mean it is not available to you.
Georgem wrote:And Idon't like the flawed idea that my money should be wasted on events that can only benefit a small section of society. Public money should only be used on events that can be used by a cross section of society. If a group of men want an event, they should finance it. If a group of women want an event, they should finance it. If we all want an event then public money could be considered. It's called 'equality'.
I do love this whole flawed idea that public money shouldn't be used on anything that any individual is not personally interested in.
Paraletic
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8:02pm Mon 17 Sep 12
Georgem wrote:Think I have to agree with informal here, this is not an event that will appeal to anything other than a minority, so should not be paid for from the public purse. Just because it is seen as politically correct to support Gays is no reason for the rest of us to pay for their fun.
Inform Al wrote:Gay Pride IS for all of us. The people actively taking part are not the only people involved. You can go watch it. Just because you choose not to, does not mean it is not available to you.
Georgem wrote:And Idon't like the flawed idea that my money should be wasted on events that can only benefit a small section of society. Public money should only be used on events that can be used by a cross section of society. If a group of men want an event, they should finance it. If a group of women want an event, they should finance it. If we all want an event then public money could be considered. It's called 'equality'.
I do love this whole flawed idea that public money shouldn't be used on anything that any individual is not personally interested in.
Georgem
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10:02pm Mon 17 Sep 12
Paraletic wrote:What does political correctness have to do with anything? That card is well overplayed now.
Georgem wrote:Think I have to agree with informal here, this is not an event that will appeal to anything other than a minority, so should not be paid for from the public purse. Just because it is seen as politically correct to support Gays is no reason for the rest of us to pay for their fun.
Inform Al wrote:Gay Pride IS for all of us. The people actively taking part are not the only people involved. You can go watch it. Just because you choose not to, does not mean it is not available to you.
Georgem wrote:And Idon't like the flawed idea that my money should be wasted on events that can only benefit a small section of society. Public money should only be used on events that can be used by a cross section of society. If a group of men want an event, they should finance it. If a group of women want an event, they should finance it. If we all want an event then public money could be considered. It's called 'equality'.
I do love this whole flawed idea that public money shouldn't be used on anything that any individual is not personally interested in.
Inform Al
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10:07pm Mon 17 Sep 12
Georgem wrote:Stop playing it then
Paraletic wrote:What does political correctness have to do with anything? That card is well overplayed now.
Georgem wrote:Think I have to agree with informal here, this is not an event that will appeal to anything other than a minority, so should not be paid for from the public purse. Just because it is seen as politically correct to support Gays is no reason for the rest of us to pay for their fun.
Inform Al wrote:Gay Pride IS for all of us. The people actively taking part are not the only people involved. You can go watch it. Just because you choose not to, does not mean it is not available to you.
Georgem wrote:And Idon't like the flawed idea that my money should be wasted on events that can only benefit a small section of society. Public money should only be used on events that can be used by a cross section of society. If a group of men want an event, they should finance it. If a group of women want an event, they should finance it. If we all want an event then public money could be considered. It's called 'equality'.
I do love this whole flawed idea that public money shouldn't be used on anything that any individual is not personally interested in.
kingnotail
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12:31am Tue 18 Sep 12
5:35pm Mon 17 Sep 12
Just been told ny the echo that my comments have upset people. I didnt say I dont like faggots I just said watching men snogging makes me heave. I am not alone.
On another note my next door neighbour is bent as an arabs dagger and a really nice fella.
Ha ha ha only in Southampton - the most backward city in the UK, where most of the poorly educated, inbred, and all round unpleasant locals still think it is the 1970s.
sarfhamton
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8:40am Tue 18 Sep 12
Georgem
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9:42am Tue 18 Sep 12
Inform Al wrote:Where have I played it?
Georgem wrote:Stop playing it then
Paraletic wrote:What does political correctness have to do with anything? That card is well overplayed now.
Georgem wrote:Think I have to agree with informal here, this is not an event that will appeal to anything other than a minority, so should not be paid for from the public purse. Just because it is seen as politically correct to support Gays is no reason for the rest of us to pay for their fun.
Inform Al wrote:Gay Pride IS for all of us. The people actively taking part are not the only people involved. You can go watch it. Just because you choose not to, does not mean it is not available to you.
Georgem wrote:And Idon't like the flawed idea that my money should be wasted on events that can only benefit a small section of society. Public money should only be used on events that can be used by a cross section of society. If a group of men want an event, they should finance it. If a group of women want an event, they should finance it. If we all want an event then public money could be considered. It's called 'equality'.
I do love this whole flawed idea that public money shouldn't be used on anything that any individual is not personally interested in.
Georgem
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10:10am Tue 18 Sep 12
sarfhamton wrote:The feather boa income alone would be phenomenal.
I think as a city we need more events and if Chrisie has enough support I would think £15k would be easily recouped in local car parking, pub takings and fancy dress sales.
justanobody
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11:15am Tue 18 Sep 12
Finance could be raised by selling pitches to catering vans, stall holders, Car Parking, etc, as well as the licensing rights for the bars. It depends on what the council will allow them to charge.
Like Brighton, it may have to a be paid entry as well to ensure that the numbers are managed, but that would then put off people attending, but would ensure the security of everyone involved against those who may attend purely to object to such things.
Brighton pride for the past 5/6 years have made a loss due to bad management, and the council there have had to bail it out.
This year it has been a huge success manageing to give back thousands to local charities within the city. - It has been going for 20 years and still find it difficult to ensure it goes ahead.
justanobody
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11:20am Tue 18 Sep 12
Georgem wrote:People are still shunned for their sexuality and they do hide their feelings,
justanobody wrote:What I mean about nobody caring if someone's gay is that people don't get shunned for it any more. Of course homophobia still exists, and probably always will to some extent, but being gay is no longer something people need to hide.
I have to say that teh "nobody cares if your gay anymore" is quite wrong.
There is still a great deal of homophobia about in this city and can be encountered weekly by narrow minded people who seem to be scared of something they dont know about and it comes from all age groups.
The need for some form of display of unity is required, but it has to come from the community and supported by all and celebrated by many.
A number of people will say great lets do it, I'll be there, The reality is quite different. as shown in previous events.
Everyone is very quick to have an opinion, less quick to get involved in assisting with the organising, and slower at attending an event to make it a success.
Getting local businesses to a help fund it may also back fire, as many people slate companies that do this as they then say they are profiteering from it.
damned if you do damned if you don't.
Good luck to all involved and Come on people of the LGBT community. get off your backsides and support it!!!! be positive
proberbly due to the attitudes around them. Bullying in school instills the fact that young people still believe it wrong.
Young people are still thrown out of ht efamily home for being Gay and their parents can not/will not accept it for social reasons. In later life said parents then come to terms and accept back or disown completely.
I know of some parents that treat their Gay offspring as accessories when it suits and then tell them to dress down at family events.
Still homophobia!
Graeme Harrison
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4:31pm Tue 18 Sep 12
sarfhamton wrote:There's no need for council support in that case.
I think as a city we need more events and if Chrisie has enough support I would think £15k would be easily recouped in local car parking, pub takings and fancy dress sales.
St. Saint
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4:54pm Tue 18 Sep 12
Graeme Harrison wrote:you cant pay for something up front in money you recoup afterwards, unless of course you have a time machine?
sarfhamton wrote:There's no need for council support in that case.
I think as a city we need more events and if Chrisie has enough support I would think £15k would be easily recouped in local car parking, pub takings and fancy dress sales.
I'm straight, I used to live in Brighton. Essentially Pride is just a massive party. A lot of the time you don't even notice what the whole point of it is and just have a great laugh. If the headline was '£15k to have a citywide street party' then everyone would be up for it. Just because there will be a few floats and boas people think it's a waste of money. I'm all for it, it's a good excuse to sit in the sun drinking beer.
St. Saint
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5:01pm Tue 18 Sep 12
Georgem wrote:Only appeals to a minority? A bit like Elton John or George Michael I suppose. Anything with music, dancing, food and beer in the sun is obviously immediately ruined when anyone gay is involved.
Inform Al wrote:Where have I played it?
Georgem wrote:Stop playing it then
Paraletic wrote:What does political correctness have to do with anything? That card is well overplayed now.
Georgem wrote:Think I have to agree with informal here, this is not an event that will appeal to anything other than a minority, so should not be paid for from the public purse. Just because it is seen as politically correct to support Gays is no reason for the rest of us to pay for their fun.
Inform Al wrote:Gay Pride IS for all of us. The people actively taking part are not the only people involved. You can go watch it. Just because you choose not to, does not mean it is not available to you.
Georgem wrote:And Idon't like the flawed idea that my money should be wasted on events that can only benefit a small section of society. Public money should only be used on events that can be used by a cross section of society. If a group of men want an event, they should finance it. If a group of women want an event, they should finance it. If we all want an event then public money could be considered. It's called 'equality'.
I do love this whole flawed idea that public money shouldn't be used on anything that any individual is not personally interested in.
Georgem
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5:14pm Tue 18 Sep 12
St. Saint wrote:What's that got to do with "political correctness"?
Georgem wrote:Only appeals to a minority? A bit like Elton John or George Michael I suppose. Anything with music, dancing, food and beer in the sun is obviously immediately ruined when anyone gay is involved.
Inform Al wrote:Where have I played it?
Georgem wrote:Stop playing it then
Paraletic wrote:What does political correctness have to do with anything? That card is well overplayed now.
Georgem wrote:Think I have to agree with informal here, this is not an event that will appeal to anything other than a minority, so should not be paid for from the public purse. Just because it is seen as politically correct to support Gays is no reason for the rest of us to pay for their fun.
Inform Al wrote:Gay Pride IS for all of us. The people actively taking part are not the only people involved. You can go watch it. Just because you choose not to, does not mean it is not available to you.
Georgem wrote:And Idon't like the flawed idea that my money should be wasted on events that can only benefit a small section of society. Public money should only be used on events that can be used by a cross section of society. If a group of men want an event, they should finance it. If a group of women want an event, they should finance it. If we all want an event then public money could be considered. It's called 'equality'.
I do love this whole flawed idea that public money shouldn't be used on anything that any individual is not personally interested in.
Anyway, dreary though Elton John and George Michael (no relation) might be, I don't think their sales reflect any sort of minority appeal. Somehow.
St. Saint
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5:28pm Tue 18 Sep 12
St. Saint
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5:29pm Tue 18 Sep 12
Georgem wrote:Meant to quote this then. You missed I am someone else and what I thought was pretty obvious sarcasm.
St. Saint wrote:What's that got to do with "political correctness"?
Georgem wrote:Only appeals to a minority? A bit like Elton John or George Michael I suppose. Anything with music, dancing, food and beer in the sun is obviously immediately ruined when anyone gay is involved.
Inform Al wrote:Where have I played it?
Georgem wrote:Stop playing it then
Paraletic wrote:What does political correctness have to do with anything? That card is well overplayed now.
Georgem wrote:Think I have to agree with informal here, this is not an event that will appeal to anything other than a minority, so should not be paid for from the public purse. Just because it is seen as politically correct to support Gays is no reason for the rest of us to pay for their fun.
Inform Al wrote:Gay Pride IS for all of us. The people actively taking part are not the only people involved. You can go watch it. Just because you choose not to, does not mean it is not available to you.
Georgem wrote:And Idon't like the flawed idea that my money should be wasted on events that can only benefit a small section of society. Public money should only be used on events that can be used by a cross section of society. If a group of men want an event, they should finance it. If a group of women want an event, they should finance it. If we all want an event then public money could be considered. It's called 'equality'.
I do love this whole flawed idea that public money shouldn't be used on anything that any individual is not personally interested in.
Anyway, dreary though Elton John and George Michael (no relation) might be, I don't think their sales reflect any sort of minority appeal. Somehow.
seany1966
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6:11pm Tue 18 Sep 12
mack chinnon wrote:Excellent
Just been told ny the echo that my comments have upset people. I didnt say I dont like faggots I just said watching men snogging makes me heave. I am not alone.
On another note my next door neighbour is bent as an arabs dagger and a really nice fella.
kuntunky
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9:19pm Tue 18 Sep 12
MithrasRising
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10:16am Wed 19 Sep 12
Having been to more than a few, these days, they all tend to blur into each other and become much of a muchness..though I have to say that the choice of pic to show those who attend Pride events is typical in that it's not representative of the gay community as a whole, rather the way the media loves to portray us..
But, I agree with the comment about the predictable responses such as "why can't we have a Str8 Pride?"
If you need to ask the question, and regrettably a number of gay people are of the same opinion, then you just don't get it and probably never will..
But, as was stated, if you really want that, go for it and maybe the media will steretype you in just the same way!
;O)
Maine Lobster says...
1:11pm Sun 16 Sep 12