Protests at £5m cuts to arts education grants

Julian Lloyd Webber

Julian Lloyd Webber

First published in Education Hampshire Chronicle: Photograph of the Author by , Parliamentary Correspondent

UP TO £5m will be slashed from education grants that fund music and the performing arts, in new cuts to hit Hampshire next year.

Protests – from everyone from town hall leaders to cellist Julian Lloyd Webber – have failed to reverse a £200m reduction to the education services grant (ESG).

The decision means Southampton City Council will lose up to £590,000 in 2015-16, although the exact sums have yet to be announced.

And Hampshire County Council is expected to lose around £3.76m next year, with £380,000 set to disappear from the Isle of Wight’s grant.

Councillor Dan Jeffery, Southampton’s Cabinet member for education, said the council was prepared for the blow, but admitted: “This is a significant and regrettable loss of funding.”

Mr Lloyd Webber had branded the proposal “crazy”, warning that cash-strapped local authorities were already struggling to provide music education to pupils.

The grants pay for pupil support and extra-curricular activities, including clothing, outdoor education, visual and performing arts and music education.

Mr Lloyd Webber said: “We really need to rise above this ‘will we get funding this year, will it come next year’. It should be taken as read that our children learn music.”

And the Local Government Association (LGA) protested that the move would hit efforts to turn around underperforming schools, because the ESG also funds improvement services.

The ESG will be cut from £113 for each pupil at a local authority school to £87, MPs were told in a blizzard of “last day” statements before they left Westminster for the summer.

Academies – which fund the services themselves – will have their budgets “protected” for a number of years, before the ESG falls into line.

Schools minister David Laws admitted the cuts would be “challenging”, but added: “We have had to make some tough decisions.”

Mr Laws said the Government was spending £390m on music education between 2012 and 2016, channelled into 123 “music hubs”.

In 2013-14, 52 local authorities had planned to spend less than their allocated ESG, he said – proving the cuts were manageable.

Cllr Jeffery suggested Southampton’s loss would be about £430,000, less than the figures given to the Daily Echo.

He said: “Although this is a significant and regrettable loss of funding, we are fully prepared. I pay tribute to our council officers who diligently work to keep our services going at a time when the Government’s austerity programme is biting deeply into our budgets.”

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12:39pm Fri 25 Jul 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

This is the reality of the 'economic recovery'. It does not benefit the general populace - just a handful of people at the top. And the Government will keep telling us we have to take our bitter medicine.
This is the reality of the 'economic recovery'. It does not benefit the general populace - just a handful of people at the top. And the Government will keep telling us we have to take our bitter medicine. WalkingOnAWire
  • Score: 5

1:35pm Fri 25 Jul 14

southy says...

And the Government yesterday declaired that we are coming out of the Depression, funny that they been refusing to acknowledge it is a Depression for years by calling it a Recession all we have done is move a little for the better before the next decline.
And the Government yesterday declaired that we are coming out of the Depression, funny that they been refusing to acknowledge it is a Depression for years by calling it a Recession all we have done is move a little for the better before the next decline. southy
  • Score: -2

2:34pm Fri 25 Jul 14

forest hump says...

If cuts have to be made, these will have the least impact.
If cuts have to be made, these will have the least impact. forest hump
  • Score: -2

2:45pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Linesman says...

forest hump wrote:
If cuts have to be made, these will have the least impact.
The least impact on who?
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: If cuts have to be made, these will have the least impact.[/p][/quote]The least impact on who? Linesman
  • Score: 2

3:16pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Cyber__Fug says...

southy wrote:
And the Government yesterday declaired that we are coming out of the Depression, funny that they been refusing to acknowledge it is a Depression for years by calling it a Recession all we have done is move a little for the better before the next decline.
That's it..... always look on the bright side !

You must be absolutely gutted that the country is getting back on it's feet again.....

Try taking your head out of your arse - things may start to look a little brighter for you.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: And the Government yesterday declaired that we are coming out of the Depression, funny that they been refusing to acknowledge it is a Depression for years by calling it a Recession all we have done is move a little for the better before the next decline.[/p][/quote]That's it..... always look on the bright side ! You must be absolutely gutted that the country is getting back on it's feet again..... Try taking your head out of your arse - things may start to look a little brighter for you. Cyber__Fug
  • Score: 6

4:11pm Fri 25 Jul 14

southy says...

Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
And the Government yesterday declaired that we are coming out of the Depression, funny that they been refusing to acknowledge it is a Depression for years by calling it a Recession all we have done is move a little for the better before the next decline.
That's it..... always look on the bright side !

You must be absolutely gutted that the country is getting back on it's feet again.....

Try taking your head out of your arse - things may start to look a little brighter for you.
I am a realist not a hopeful dreamer
[quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: And the Government yesterday declaired that we are coming out of the Depression, funny that they been refusing to acknowledge it is a Depression for years by calling it a Recession all we have done is move a little for the better before the next decline.[/p][/quote]That's it..... always look on the bright side ! You must be absolutely gutted that the country is getting back on it's feet again..... Try taking your head out of your arse - things may start to look a little brighter for you.[/p][/quote]I am a realist not a hopeful dreamer southy
  • Score: -4

6:19pm Fri 25 Jul 14

forest hump says...

Linesman wrote:
forest hump wrote:
If cuts have to be made, these will have the least impact.
The least impact on who?
The least impact on critical front line services. Police, Ambulance, you name it. Arts are not critical.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: If cuts have to be made, these will have the least impact.[/p][/quote]The least impact on who?[/p][/quote]The least impact on critical front line services. Police, Ambulance, you name it. Arts are not critical. forest hump
  • Score: -1

6:48pm Fri 25 Jul 14

rjfmusic says...

forest hump wrote:
Linesman wrote:
forest hump wrote:
If cuts have to be made, these will have the least impact.
The least impact on who?
The least impact on critical front line services. Police, Ambulance, you name it. Arts are not critical.
They are for me... in my spare time I'd much rather watch television, listen to the radio, go to a theatre or concert hall or entertain people in nursing and residential homes than watch the front line services in action. What is essential is getting the balance right and giving people a quality of life.
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: If cuts have to be made, these will have the least impact.[/p][/quote]The least impact on who?[/p][/quote]The least impact on critical front line services. Police, Ambulance, you name it. Arts are not critical.[/p][/quote]They are for me... in my spare time I'd much rather watch television, listen to the radio, go to a theatre or concert hall or entertain people in nursing and residential homes than watch the front line services in action. What is essential is getting the balance right and giving people a quality of life. rjfmusic
  • Score: 5

8:51pm Fri 25 Jul 14

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
And the Government yesterday declaired that we are coming out of the Depression, funny that they been refusing to acknowledge it is a Depression for years by calling it a Recession all we have done is move a little for the better before the next decline.
That's it..... always look on the bright side !

You must be absolutely gutted that the country is getting back on it's feet again.....

Try taking your head out of your arse - things may start to look a little brighter for you.
I am a realist not a hopeful dreamer
.. no, you are not a realist, you are just plain wrong.
The government did NOT declare yesterday we were coming out of 'the Depression'.
We were in recession for a long while but came out of that several quarters ago with GDP showing welcome increases. The economy is now back to where it was at the start of this crisis in 2008 - albeit quite top heavy on 'services'. That is what was announced this week.
Yet again you show your total ignorance of matters economic.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: And the Government yesterday declaired that we are coming out of the Depression, funny that they been refusing to acknowledge it is a Depression for years by calling it a Recession all we have done is move a little for the better before the next decline.[/p][/quote]That's it..... always look on the bright side ! You must be absolutely gutted that the country is getting back on it's feet again..... Try taking your head out of your arse - things may start to look a little brighter for you.[/p][/quote]I am a realist not a hopeful dreamer[/p][/quote].. no, you are not a realist, you are just plain wrong. The government did NOT declare yesterday we were coming out of 'the Depression'. We were in recession for a long while but came out of that several quarters ago with GDP showing welcome increases. The economy is now back to where it was at the start of this crisis in 2008 - albeit quite top heavy on 'services'. That is what was announced this week. Yet again you show your total ignorance of matters economic. freefinker
  • Score: 4

9:11pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
And the Government yesterday declaired that we are coming out of the Depression, funny that they been refusing to acknowledge it is a Depression for years by calling it a Recession all we have done is move a little for the better before the next decline.
That's it..... always look on the bright side !

You must be absolutely gutted that the country is getting back on it's feet again.....

Try taking your head out of your arse - things may start to look a little brighter for you.
I am a realist not a hopeful dreamer
What sort of person describes 'the Tusc' as the fastest growing political party? Certainly not a realist, which does narrow down the choice to 'hopeful dreamer'.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: And the Government yesterday declaired that we are coming out of the Depression, funny that they been refusing to acknowledge it is a Depression for years by calling it a Recession all we have done is move a little for the better before the next decline.[/p][/quote]That's it..... always look on the bright side ! You must be absolutely gutted that the country is getting back on it's feet again..... Try taking your head out of your arse - things may start to look a little brighter for you.[/p][/quote]I am a realist not a hopeful dreamer[/p][/quote]What sort of person describes 'the Tusc' as the fastest growing political party? Certainly not a realist, which does narrow down the choice to 'hopeful dreamer'. Torchie1
  • Score: 3

9:17pm Fri 25 Jul 14

forest hump says...

rjfmusic wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Linesman wrote:
forest hump wrote:
If cuts have to be made, these will have the least impact.
The least impact on who?
The least impact on critical front line services. Police, Ambulance, you name it. Arts are not critical.
They are for me... in my spare time I'd much rather watch television, listen to the radio, go to a theatre or concert hall or entertain people in nursing and residential homes than watch the front line services in action. What is essential is getting the balance right and giving people a quality of life.
You watch your telly. I know what I would rather lose.
[quote][p][bold]rjfmusic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: If cuts have to be made, these will have the least impact.[/p][/quote]The least impact on who?[/p][/quote]The least impact on critical front line services. Police, Ambulance, you name it. Arts are not critical.[/p][/quote]They are for me... in my spare time I'd much rather watch television, listen to the radio, go to a theatre or concert hall or entertain people in nursing and residential homes than watch the front line services in action. What is essential is getting the balance right and giving people a quality of life.[/p][/quote]You watch your telly. I know what I would rather lose. forest hump
  • Score: -2

11:03pm Fri 25 Jul 14

rjfmusic says...

forest hump wrote:
rjfmusic wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Linesman wrote:
forest hump wrote:
If cuts have to be made, these will have the least impact.
The least impact on who?
The least impact on critical front line services. Police, Ambulance, you name it. Arts are not critical.
They are for me... in my spare time I'd much rather watch television, listen to the radio, go to a theatre or concert hall or entertain people in nursing and residential homes than watch the front line services in action. What is essential is getting the balance right and giving people a quality of life.
You watch your telly. I know what I would rather lose.
I was talking about balance - not losing anything.
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rjfmusic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: If cuts have to be made, these will have the least impact.[/p][/quote]The least impact on who?[/p][/quote]The least impact on critical front line services. Police, Ambulance, you name it. Arts are not critical.[/p][/quote]They are for me... in my spare time I'd much rather watch television, listen to the radio, go to a theatre or concert hall or entertain people in nursing and residential homes than watch the front line services in action. What is essential is getting the balance right and giving people a quality of life.[/p][/quote]You watch your telly. I know what I would rather lose.[/p][/quote]I was talking about balance - not losing anything. rjfmusic
  • Score: 2

12:46am Sat 26 Jul 14

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
And the Government yesterday declaired that we are coming out of the Depression, funny that they been refusing to acknowledge it is a Depression for years by calling it a Recession all we have done is move a little for the better before the next decline.
That's it..... always look on the bright side !

You must be absolutely gutted that the country is getting back on it's feet again.....

Try taking your head out of your arse - things may start to look a little brighter for you.
I am a realist not a hopeful dreamer
.. no, you are not a realist, you are just plain wrong.
The government did NOT declare yesterday we were coming out of 'the Depression'.
We were in recession for a long while but came out of that several quarters ago with GDP showing welcome increases. The economy is now back to where it was at the start of this crisis in 2008 - albeit quite top heavy on 'services'. That is what was announced this week.
Yet again you show your total ignorance of matters economic.
You should try and watch the parilement channel once in a while, they declaired it yesterday that they are coming out of a depression and not a recession, you can not come out of a recession or a depression till unemployment is cut down below 1 million and as there is over 6 million unemployed it will be a long time before that will happen.
Going by GDP only gives a false impression, its your ignorance in believing what false figures your being told, like being at the start of the 2008 level we are no where near that if you go by how things was done in 2008 and not the way they are done now
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: And the Government yesterday declaired that we are coming out of the Depression, funny that they been refusing to acknowledge it is a Depression for years by calling it a Recession all we have done is move a little for the better before the next decline.[/p][/quote]That's it..... always look on the bright side ! You must be absolutely gutted that the country is getting back on it's feet again..... Try taking your head out of your arse - things may start to look a little brighter for you.[/p][/quote]I am a realist not a hopeful dreamer[/p][/quote].. no, you are not a realist, you are just plain wrong. The government did NOT declare yesterday we were coming out of 'the Depression'. We were in recession for a long while but came out of that several quarters ago with GDP showing welcome increases. The economy is now back to where it was at the start of this crisis in 2008 - albeit quite top heavy on 'services'. That is what was announced this week. Yet again you show your total ignorance of matters economic.[/p][/quote]You should try and watch the parilement channel once in a while, they declaired it yesterday that they are coming out of a depression and not a recession, you can not come out of a recession or a depression till unemployment is cut down below 1 million and as there is over 6 million unemployed it will be a long time before that will happen. Going by GDP only gives a false impression, its your ignorance in believing what false figures your being told, like being at the start of the 2008 level we are no where near that if you go by how things was done in 2008 and not the way they are done now southy
  • Score: -4

12:49am Sat 26 Jul 14

southy says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
And the Government yesterday declaired that we are coming out of the Depression, funny that they been refusing to acknowledge it is a Depression for years by calling it a Recession all we have done is move a little for the better before the next decline.
That's it..... always look on the bright side !

You must be absolutely gutted that the country is getting back on it's feet again.....

Try taking your head out of your arse - things may start to look a little brighter for you.
I am a realist not a hopeful dreamer
What sort of person describes 'the Tusc' as the fastest growing political party? Certainly not a realist, which does narrow down the choice to 'hopeful dreamer'.
We still are the fastest growing party, what other party as doubled its membership numbers in less than 6 mths, by the way another 2 councillors have join the TUSC
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: And the Government yesterday declaired that we are coming out of the Depression, funny that they been refusing to acknowledge it is a Depression for years by calling it a Recession all we have done is move a little for the better before the next decline.[/p][/quote]That's it..... always look on the bright side ! You must be absolutely gutted that the country is getting back on it's feet again..... Try taking your head out of your arse - things may start to look a little brighter for you.[/p][/quote]I am a realist not a hopeful dreamer[/p][/quote]What sort of person describes 'the Tusc' as the fastest growing political party? Certainly not a realist, which does narrow down the choice to 'hopeful dreamer'.[/p][/quote]We still are the fastest growing party, what other party as doubled its membership numbers in less than 6 mths, by the way another 2 councillors have join the TUSC southy
  • Score: -3

9:21am Sat 26 Jul 14

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
And the Government yesterday declaired that we are coming out of the Depression, funny that they been refusing to acknowledge it is a Depression for years by calling it a Recession all we have done is move a little for the better before the next decline.
That's it..... always look on the bright side !

You must be absolutely gutted that the country is getting back on it's feet again.....

Try taking your head out of your arse - things may start to look a little brighter for you.
I am a realist not a hopeful dreamer
.. no, you are not a realist, you are just plain wrong.
The government did NOT declare yesterday we were coming out of 'the Depression'.
We were in recession for a long while but came out of that several quarters ago with GDP showing welcome increases. The economy is now back to where it was at the start of this crisis in 2008 - albeit quite top heavy on 'services'. That is what was announced this week.
Yet again you show your total ignorance of matters economic.
You should try and watch the parilement channel once in a while, they declaired it yesterday that they are coming out of a depression and not a recession, you can not come out of a recession or a depression till unemployment is cut down below 1 million and as there is over 6 million unemployed it will be a long time before that will happen.
Going by GDP only gives a false impression, its your ignorance in believing what false figures your being told, like being at the start of the 2008 level we are no where near that if you go by how things was done in 2008 and not the way they are done now
.. your usual total confirmation that you don't have a clue what you are talking about. Just about everything you say in your post is wrong. Wrong in fact and wrong in interpretation. Every time you post on matters economic you reveal your total ignorance of the subject.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: And the Government yesterday declaired that we are coming out of the Depression, funny that they been refusing to acknowledge it is a Depression for years by calling it a Recession all we have done is move a little for the better before the next decline.[/p][/quote]That's it..... always look on the bright side ! You must be absolutely gutted that the country is getting back on it's feet again..... Try taking your head out of your arse - things may start to look a little brighter for you.[/p][/quote]I am a realist not a hopeful dreamer[/p][/quote].. no, you are not a realist, you are just plain wrong. The government did NOT declare yesterday we were coming out of 'the Depression'. We were in recession for a long while but came out of that several quarters ago with GDP showing welcome increases. The economy is now back to where it was at the start of this crisis in 2008 - albeit quite top heavy on 'services'. That is what was announced this week. Yet again you show your total ignorance of matters economic.[/p][/quote]You should try and watch the parilement channel once in a while, they declaired it yesterday that they are coming out of a depression and not a recession, you can not come out of a recession or a depression till unemployment is cut down below 1 million and as there is over 6 million unemployed it will be a long time before that will happen. Going by GDP only gives a false impression, its your ignorance in believing what false figures your being told, like being at the start of the 2008 level we are no where near that if you go by how things was done in 2008 and not the way they are done now[/p][/quote].. your usual total confirmation that you don't have a clue what you are talking about. Just about everything you say in your post is wrong. Wrong in fact and wrong in interpretation. Every time you post on matters economic you reveal your total ignorance of the subject. freefinker
  • Score: 3

10:53am Sat 26 Jul 14

forest hump says...

rjfmusic wrote:
forest hump wrote:
rjfmusic wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Linesman wrote:
forest hump wrote:
If cuts have to be made, these will have the least impact.
The least impact on who?
The least impact on critical front line services. Police, Ambulance, you name it. Arts are not critical.
They are for me... in my spare time I'd much rather watch television, listen to the radio, go to a theatre or concert hall or entertain people in nursing and residential homes than watch the front line services in action. What is essential is getting the balance right and giving people a quality of life.
You watch your telly. I know what I would rather lose.
I was talking about balance - not losing anything.
If it is balanced then that suggests some of each is being lost, or am I missing something? I would rather see no cuts. We continually cut, cut, cut. Where is all the money going?? We never see any investigation into spending by either Government or Council.
[quote][p][bold]rjfmusic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rjfmusic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: If cuts have to be made, these will have the least impact.[/p][/quote]The least impact on who?[/p][/quote]The least impact on critical front line services. Police, Ambulance, you name it. Arts are not critical.[/p][/quote]They are for me... in my spare time I'd much rather watch television, listen to the radio, go to a theatre or concert hall or entertain people in nursing and residential homes than watch the front line services in action. What is essential is getting the balance right and giving people a quality of life.[/p][/quote]You watch your telly. I know what I would rather lose.[/p][/quote]I was talking about balance - not losing anything.[/p][/quote]If it is balanced then that suggests some of each is being lost, or am I missing something? I would rather see no cuts. We continually cut, cut, cut. Where is all the money going?? We never see any investigation into spending by either Government or Council. forest hump
  • Score: -1

10:59am Sat 26 Jul 14

Cyber__Fug says...

southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
And the Government yesterday declaired that we are coming out of the Depression, funny that they been refusing to acknowledge it is a Depression for years by calling it a Recession all we have done is move a little for the better before the next decline.
That's it..... always look on the bright side !

You must be absolutely gutted that the country is getting back on it's feet again.....

Try taking your head out of your arse - things may start to look a little brighter for you.
I am a realist not a hopeful dreamer
What sort of person describes 'the Tusc' as the fastest growing political party? Certainly not a realist, which does narrow down the choice to 'hopeful dreamer'.
We still are the fastest growing party, what other party as doubled its membership numbers in less than 6 mths, by the way another 2 councillors have join the TUSC
...and as I pointed out to after the last general election, even if the TUSC doubled its results at every general election for the next 25 years they would still be trailing the BNP.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: And the Government yesterday declaired that we are coming out of the Depression, funny that they been refusing to acknowledge it is a Depression for years by calling it a Recession all we have done is move a little for the better before the next decline.[/p][/quote]That's it..... always look on the bright side ! You must be absolutely gutted that the country is getting back on it's feet again..... Try taking your head out of your arse - things may start to look a little brighter for you.[/p][/quote]I am a realist not a hopeful dreamer[/p][/quote]What sort of person describes 'the Tusc' as the fastest growing political party? Certainly not a realist, which does narrow down the choice to 'hopeful dreamer'.[/p][/quote]We still are the fastest growing party, what other party as doubled its membership numbers in less than 6 mths, by the way another 2 councillors have join the TUSC[/p][/quote]...and as I pointed out to after the last general election, even if the TUSC doubled its results at every general election for the next 25 years they would still be trailing the BNP. Cyber__Fug
  • Score: 3

12:27pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
And the Government yesterday declaired that we are coming out of the Depression, funny that they been refusing to acknowledge it is a Depression for years by calling it a Recession all we have done is move a little for the better before the next decline.
That's it..... always look on the bright side !

You must be absolutely gutted that the country is getting back on it's feet again.....

Try taking your head out of your arse - things may start to look a little brighter for you.
I am a realist not a hopeful dreamer
.. no, you are not a realist, you are just plain wrong.
The government did NOT declare yesterday we were coming out of 'the Depression'.
We were in recession for a long while but came out of that several quarters ago with GDP showing welcome increases. The economy is now back to where it was at the start of this crisis in 2008 - albeit quite top heavy on 'services'. That is what was announced this week.
Yet again you show your total ignorance of matters economic.
You should try and watch the parilement channel once in a while, they declaired it yesterday that they are coming out of a depression and not a recession, you can not come out of a recession or a depression till unemployment is cut down below 1 million and as there is over 6 million unemployed it will be a long time before that will happen.
Going by GDP only gives a false impression, its your ignorance in believing what false figures your being told, like being at the start of the 2008 level we are no where near that if you go by how things was done in 2008 and not the way they are done now
Watching the Parliament channel... you clearly have too much time on your hands.

Fact of the matter is you will never believe anything that is stated, a bit of cynicism is healthy but because of the way your brain is wired you dismiss out of hand *anything * that doesn't suit your agenda - even if it were to stare you in the face.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: And the Government yesterday declaired that we are coming out of the Depression, funny that they been refusing to acknowledge it is a Depression for years by calling it a Recession all we have done is move a little for the better before the next decline.[/p][/quote]That's it..... always look on the bright side ! You must be absolutely gutted that the country is getting back on it's feet again..... Try taking your head out of your arse - things may start to look a little brighter for you.[/p][/quote]I am a realist not a hopeful dreamer[/p][/quote].. no, you are not a realist, you are just plain wrong. The government did NOT declare yesterday we were coming out of 'the Depression'. We were in recession for a long while but came out of that several quarters ago with GDP showing welcome increases. The economy is now back to where it was at the start of this crisis in 2008 - albeit quite top heavy on 'services'. That is what was announced this week. Yet again you show your total ignorance of matters economic.[/p][/quote]You should try and watch the parilement channel once in a while, they declaired it yesterday that they are coming out of a depression and not a recession, you can not come out of a recession or a depression till unemployment is cut down below 1 million and as there is over 6 million unemployed it will be a long time before that will happen. Going by GDP only gives a false impression, its your ignorance in believing what false figures your being told, like being at the start of the 2008 level we are no where near that if you go by how things was done in 2008 and not the way they are done now[/p][/quote]Watching the Parliament channel... you clearly have too much time on your hands. Fact of the matter is you will never believe anything that is stated, a bit of cynicism is healthy but because of the way your brain is wired you dismiss out of hand *anything * that doesn't suit your agenda - even if it were to stare you in the face. Shoong
  • Score: 4

1:06pm Sat 26 Jul 14

southy says...

Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
And the Government yesterday declaired that we are coming out of the Depression, funny that they been refusing to acknowledge it is a Depression for years by calling it a Recession all we have done is move a little for the better before the next decline.
That's it..... always look on the bright side !

You must be absolutely gutted that the country is getting back on it's feet again.....

Try taking your head out of your arse - things may start to look a little brighter for you.
I am a realist not a hopeful dreamer
What sort of person describes 'the Tusc' as the fastest growing political party? Certainly not a realist, which does narrow down the choice to 'hopeful dreamer'.
We still are the fastest growing party, what other party as doubled its membership numbers in less than 6 mths, by the way another 2 councillors have join the TUSC
...and as I pointed out to after the last general election, even if the TUSC doubled its results at every general election for the next 25 years they would still be trailing the BNP.
How many Councillors do the BNP have and how many Councillors do the TUSC have now, Its more likely that Councillors and the voters will switch to the TUSC, Like the 2 Councillors up in the Middlands, The TUSC all ready stand more candidates in Local Elections than BNP, But unlike the BNP who take the soft option and only stand where they know they will get a little bit of support, The TUSC stands in the areas where its known safe seats for the Torys and Labour as well as other areas.
[quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: And the Government yesterday declaired that we are coming out of the Depression, funny that they been refusing to acknowledge it is a Depression for years by calling it a Recession all we have done is move a little for the better before the next decline.[/p][/quote]That's it..... always look on the bright side ! You must be absolutely gutted that the country is getting back on it's feet again..... Try taking your head out of your arse - things may start to look a little brighter for you.[/p][/quote]I am a realist not a hopeful dreamer[/p][/quote]What sort of person describes 'the Tusc' as the fastest growing political party? Certainly not a realist, which does narrow down the choice to 'hopeful dreamer'.[/p][/quote]We still are the fastest growing party, what other party as doubled its membership numbers in less than 6 mths, by the way another 2 councillors have join the TUSC[/p][/quote]...and as I pointed out to after the last general election, even if the TUSC doubled its results at every general election for the next 25 years they would still be trailing the BNP.[/p][/quote]How many Councillors do the BNP have and how many Councillors do the TUSC have now, Its more likely that Councillors and the voters will switch to the TUSC, Like the 2 Councillors up in the Middlands, The TUSC all ready stand more candidates in Local Elections than BNP, But unlike the BNP who take the soft option and only stand where they know they will get a little bit of support, The TUSC stands in the areas where its known safe seats for the Torys and Labour as well as other areas. southy
  • Score: -4

1:18pm Sat 26 Jul 14

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
And the Government yesterday declaired that we are coming out of the Depression, funny that they been refusing to acknowledge it is a Depression for years by calling it a Recession all we have done is move a little for the better before the next decline.
That's it..... always look on the bright side !

You must be absolutely gutted that the country is getting back on it's feet again.....

Try taking your head out of your arse - things may start to look a little brighter for you.
I am a realist not a hopeful dreamer
.. no, you are not a realist, you are just plain wrong.
The government did NOT declare yesterday we were coming out of 'the Depression'.
We were in recession for a long while but came out of that several quarters ago with GDP showing welcome increases. The economy is now back to where it was at the start of this crisis in 2008 - albeit quite top heavy on 'services'. That is what was announced this week.
Yet again you show your total ignorance of matters economic.
You should try and watch the parilement channel once in a while, they declaired it yesterday that they are coming out of a depression and not a recession, you can not come out of a recession or a depression till unemployment is cut down below 1 million and as there is over 6 million unemployed it will be a long time before that will happen.
Going by GDP only gives a false impression, its your ignorance in believing what false figures your being told, like being at the start of the 2008 level we are no where near that if you go by how things was done in 2008 and not the way they are done now
Watching the Parliament channel... you clearly have too much time on your hands.

Fact of the matter is you will never believe anything that is stated, a bit of cynicism is healthy but because of the way your brain is wired you dismiss out of hand *anything * that doesn't suit your agenda - even if it were to stare you in the face.
I know sad is it not, but if you want to keep up with current affairs, then channels like the Parliament channel need to be watch.
If you go by the way the Government is telling you to think like just going by the minors the GDP will give a false immpression, leaving out the biggest marker on a Depression and/or Recession Unemployment Levels will only lead you into a false sense of sercurity, Your having a small rise that is all like the one in the late 90's mid 00's before the bigger fall than the one in the 80's. what your getting and I have said this before is a wavey downward line a peak that never reaches the high peak before and a fall that is deeper than the last big fall.
You only see the very short term of things just like the government wants to do.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: And the Government yesterday declaired that we are coming out of the Depression, funny that they been refusing to acknowledge it is a Depression for years by calling it a Recession all we have done is move a little for the better before the next decline.[/p][/quote]That's it..... always look on the bright side ! You must be absolutely gutted that the country is getting back on it's feet again..... Try taking your head out of your arse - things may start to look a little brighter for you.[/p][/quote]I am a realist not a hopeful dreamer[/p][/quote].. no, you are not a realist, you are just plain wrong. The government did NOT declare yesterday we were coming out of 'the Depression'. We were in recession for a long while but came out of that several quarters ago with GDP showing welcome increases. The economy is now back to where it was at the start of this crisis in 2008 - albeit quite top heavy on 'services'. That is what was announced this week. Yet again you show your total ignorance of matters economic.[/p][/quote]You should try and watch the parilement channel once in a while, they declaired it yesterday that they are coming out of a depression and not a recession, you can not come out of a recession or a depression till unemployment is cut down below 1 million and as there is over 6 million unemployed it will be a long time before that will happen. Going by GDP only gives a false impression, its your ignorance in believing what false figures your being told, like being at the start of the 2008 level we are no where near that if you go by how things was done in 2008 and not the way they are done now[/p][/quote]Watching the Parliament channel... you clearly have too much time on your hands. Fact of the matter is you will never believe anything that is stated, a bit of cynicism is healthy but because of the way your brain is wired you dismiss out of hand *anything * that doesn't suit your agenda - even if it were to stare you in the face.[/p][/quote]I know sad is it not, but if you want to keep up with current affairs, then channels like the Parliament channel need to be watch. If you go by the way the Government is telling you to think like just going by the minors the GDP will give a false immpression, leaving out the biggest marker on a Depression and/or Recession Unemployment Levels will only lead you into a false sense of sercurity, Your having a small rise that is all like the one in the late 90's mid 00's before the bigger fall than the one in the 80's. what your getting and I have said this before is a wavey downward line a peak that never reaches the high peak before and a fall that is deeper than the last big fall. You only see the very short term of things just like the government wants to do. southy
  • Score: -4

1:54pm Sat 26 Jul 14

forest hump says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
And the Government yesterday declaired that we are coming out of the Depression, funny that they been refusing to acknowledge it is a Depression for years by calling it a Recession all we have done is move a little for the better before the next decline.
That's it..... always look on the bright side !

You must be absolutely gutted that the country is getting back on it's feet again.....

Try taking your head out of your arse - things may start to look a little brighter for you.
I am a realist not a hopeful dreamer
.. no, you are not a realist, you are just plain wrong.
The government did NOT declare yesterday we were coming out of 'the Depression'.
We were in recession for a long while but came out of that several quarters ago with GDP showing welcome increases. The economy is now back to where it was at the start of this crisis in 2008 - albeit quite top heavy on 'services'. That is what was announced this week.
Yet again you show your total ignorance of matters economic.
You should try and watch the parilement channel once in a while, they declaired it yesterday that they are coming out of a depression and not a recession, you can not come out of a recession or a depression till unemployment is cut down below 1 million and as there is over 6 million unemployed it will be a long time before that will happen.
Going by GDP only gives a false impression, its your ignorance in believing what false figures your being told, like being at the start of the 2008 level we are no where near that if you go by how things was done in 2008 and not the way they are done now
Watching the Parliament channel... you clearly have too much time on your hands.

Fact of the matter is you will never believe anything that is stated, a bit of cynicism is healthy but because of the way your brain is wired you dismiss out of hand *anything * that doesn't suit your agenda - even if it were to stare you in the face.
I know sad is it not, but if you want to keep up with current affairs, then channels like the Parliament channel need to be watch.
If you go by the way the Government is telling you to think like just going by the minors the GDP will give a false immpression, leaving out the biggest marker on a Depression and/or Recession Unemployment Levels will only lead you into a false sense of sercurity, Your having a small rise that is all like the one in the late 90's mid 00's before the bigger fall than the one in the 80's. what your getting and I have said this before is a wavey downward line a peak that never reaches the high peak before and a fall that is deeper than the last big fall.
You only see the very short term of things just like the government wants to do.
Southy, if you are so unhappy and discontent with the current situation, why do you not move to Cuba/Russia? They would welcome you with open arms, especially with your fountain of knowledge of all things! Seems to me there is no one person on this site who has the knowledge you behold.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: And the Government yesterday declaired that we are coming out of the Depression, funny that they been refusing to acknowledge it is a Depression for years by calling it a Recession all we have done is move a little for the better before the next decline.[/p][/quote]That's it..... always look on the bright side ! You must be absolutely gutted that the country is getting back on it's feet again..... Try taking your head out of your arse - things may start to look a little brighter for you.[/p][/quote]I am a realist not a hopeful dreamer[/p][/quote].. no, you are not a realist, you are just plain wrong. The government did NOT declare yesterday we were coming out of 'the Depression'. We were in recession for a long while but came out of that several quarters ago with GDP showing welcome increases. The economy is now back to where it was at the start of this crisis in 2008 - albeit quite top heavy on 'services'. That is what was announced this week. Yet again you show your total ignorance of matters economic.[/p][/quote]You should try and watch the parilement channel once in a while, they declaired it yesterday that they are coming out of a depression and not a recession, you can not come out of a recession or a depression till unemployment is cut down below 1 million and as there is over 6 million unemployed it will be a long time before that will happen. Going by GDP only gives a false impression, its your ignorance in believing what false figures your being told, like being at the start of the 2008 level we are no where near that if you go by how things was done in 2008 and not the way they are done now[/p][/quote]Watching the Parliament channel... you clearly have too much time on your hands. Fact of the matter is you will never believe anything that is stated, a bit of cynicism is healthy but because of the way your brain is wired you dismiss out of hand *anything * that doesn't suit your agenda - even if it were to stare you in the face.[/p][/quote]I know sad is it not, but if you want to keep up with current affairs, then channels like the Parliament channel need to be watch. If you go by the way the Government is telling you to think like just going by the minors the GDP will give a false immpression, leaving out the biggest marker on a Depression and/or Recession Unemployment Levels will only lead you into a false sense of sercurity, Your having a small rise that is all like the one in the late 90's mid 00's before the bigger fall than the one in the 80's. what your getting and I have said this before is a wavey downward line a peak that never reaches the high peak before and a fall that is deeper than the last big fall. You only see the very short term of things just like the government wants to do.[/p][/quote]Southy, if you are so unhappy and discontent with the current situation, why do you not move to Cuba/Russia? They would welcome you with open arms, especially with your fountain of knowledge of all things! Seems to me there is no one person on this site who has the knowledge you behold. forest hump
  • Score: 4

2:19pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
And the Government yesterday declaired that we are coming out of the Depression, funny that they been refusing to acknowledge it is a Depression for years by calling it a Recession all we have done is move a little for the better before the next decline.
That's it..... always look on the bright side !

You must be absolutely gutted that the country is getting back on it's feet again.....

Try taking your head out of your arse - things may start to look a little brighter for you.
I am a realist not a hopeful dreamer
.. no, you are not a realist, you are just plain wrong.
The government did NOT declare yesterday we were coming out of 'the Depression'.
We were in recession for a long while but came out of that several quarters ago with GDP showing welcome increases. The economy is now back to where it was at the start of this crisis in 2008 - albeit quite top heavy on 'services'. That is what was announced this week.
Yet again you show your total ignorance of matters economic.
You should try and watch the parilement channel once in a while, they declaired it yesterday that they are coming out of a depression and not a recession, you can not come out of a recession or a depression till unemployment is cut down below 1 million and as there is over 6 million unemployed it will be a long time before that will happen.
Going by GDP only gives a false impression, its your ignorance in believing what false figures your being told, like being at the start of the 2008 level we are no where near that if you go by how things was done in 2008 and not the way they are done now
Watching the Parliament channel... you clearly have too much time on your hands.

Fact of the matter is you will never believe anything that is stated, a bit of cynicism is healthy but because of the way your brain is wired you dismiss out of hand *anything * that doesn't suit your agenda - even if it were to stare you in the face.
I know sad is it not, but if you want to keep up with current affairs, then channels like the Parliament channel need to be watch.
If you go by the way the Government is telling you to think like just going by the minors the GDP will give a false immpression, leaving out the biggest marker on a Depression and/or Recession Unemployment Levels will only lead you into a false sense of sercurity, Your having a small rise that is all like the one in the late 90's mid 00's before the bigger fall than the one in the 80's. what your getting and I have said this before is a wavey downward line a peak that never reaches the high peak before and a fall that is deeper than the last big fall.
You only see the very short term of things just like the government wants to do.
Again, you demonstrate you have no idea what you are talking about.

This is complete uneducated gibberish.

And yes, you are sad.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: And the Government yesterday declaired that we are coming out of the Depression, funny that they been refusing to acknowledge it is a Depression for years by calling it a Recession all we have done is move a little for the better before the next decline.[/p][/quote]That's it..... always look on the bright side ! You must be absolutely gutted that the country is getting back on it's feet again..... Try taking your head out of your arse - things may start to look a little brighter for you.[/p][/quote]I am a realist not a hopeful dreamer[/p][/quote].. no, you are not a realist, you are just plain wrong. The government did NOT declare yesterday we were coming out of 'the Depression'. We were in recession for a long while but came out of that several quarters ago with GDP showing welcome increases. The economy is now back to where it was at the start of this crisis in 2008 - albeit quite top heavy on 'services'. That is what was announced this week. Yet again you show your total ignorance of matters economic.[/p][/quote]You should try and watch the parilement channel once in a while, they declaired it yesterday that they are coming out of a depression and not a recession, you can not come out of a recession or a depression till unemployment is cut down below 1 million and as there is over 6 million unemployed it will be a long time before that will happen. Going by GDP only gives a false impression, its your ignorance in believing what false figures your being told, like being at the start of the 2008 level we are no where near that if you go by how things was done in 2008 and not the way they are done now[/p][/quote]Watching the Parliament channel... you clearly have too much time on your hands. Fact of the matter is you will never believe anything that is stated, a bit of cynicism is healthy but because of the way your brain is wired you dismiss out of hand *anything * that doesn't suit your agenda - even if it were to stare you in the face.[/p][/quote]I know sad is it not, but if you want to keep up with current affairs, then channels like the Parliament channel need to be watch. If you go by the way the Government is telling you to think like just going by the minors the GDP will give a false immpression, leaving out the biggest marker on a Depression and/or Recession Unemployment Levels will only lead you into a false sense of sercurity, Your having a small rise that is all like the one in the late 90's mid 00's before the bigger fall than the one in the 80's. what your getting and I have said this before is a wavey downward line a peak that never reaches the high peak before and a fall that is deeper than the last big fall. You only see the very short term of things just like the government wants to do.[/p][/quote]Again, you demonstrate you have no idea what you are talking about. This is complete uneducated gibberish. And yes, you are sad. Shoong
  • Score: 3

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