McDonald’s launches new bid for drive-thru (From Hampshire Chronicle)

This is great news. I often find myself really fancying a McDonalds but at a complete loss as to where I might be able to find one. We urgently need more of them in our country if we're to meet our international obesity targets.

So, you can have a pub on "the most dangerous bend in Totton", but not a fast food restaurant. Ridiculous reason.

I would anticipate ther being far more accidents at this location than at Millbrook.

St Retford wrote:
This is great news. I often find myself really fancying a McDonalds but at a complete loss as to where I might be able to find one. We urgently need more of them in our country if we're to meet our international obesity targets.

actually I would look elsewhere to pin the blame on obesity.... look at tesco hypermarkets for instance and compare the % space used up by refined sugared products.... now look at a similar hypermarket in France... I think you will find its about 15% - 5%...

Oh please no! Ten minutes walk (2 minutes drive) from one MacD and 15 minutes walk and 5 minutes drive to another.
How about a family focussed Wetherspoons?
Please Council, we don't want yet ANOTHER MacD.

St Retford wrote:
This is great news. I often find myself really fancying a McDonalds but at a complete loss as to where I might be able to find one. We urgently need more of them in our country if we're to meet our international obesity targets.

wouldnt blame McDonalds for obesity. They have been around for almost 40 years.

I would instead blame thick lazy people who live off ready meals and junk food.

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote:
This is great news. I often find myself really fancying a McDonalds but at a complete loss as to where I might be able to find one. We urgently need more of them in our country if we're to meet our international obesity targets.

actually I would look elsewhere to pin the blame on obesity.... look at tesco hypermarkets for instance and compare the % space used up by refined sugared products.... now look at a similar hypermarket in France... I think you will find its about 15% - 5%...

O I know it's not all McDonalds' fault but it's not exactly helping the situation, is it? Do you remember when fat kids used to be really unusual? They're everywhere now, and it's down to fast food, takeaways and the mountains of BOGOF cr@p people buy in supermarkets.

elvisimo wrote:

St Retford wrote:
This is great news. I often find myself really fancying a McDonalds but at a complete loss as to where I might be able to find one. We urgently need more of them in our country if we're to meet our international obesity targets.

wouldnt blame McDonalds for obesity. They have been around for almost 40 years.

I would instead blame thick lazy people who live off ready meals and junk food.

I know they've been around for a long time but up until about 20 years ago they would just have one outlet per city. My dad would take me to the one on Above Bar maybe once a month and it would be a really big treat. But something happened that made them want to be on every street corner in the land, as did Burger King and Subway and suddenly we have a food culture wholly dependent on unhealthy food.

I know people have a choice whether to eat it or not, but this food has been scientifically engineered to be as addictive as possible and it doesn't help when it's staring everyone in the face 24/7.

St Retford wrote:

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote:
This is great news. I often find myself really fancying a McDonalds but at a complete loss as to where I might be able to find one. We urgently need more of them in our country if we're to meet our international obesity targets.

actually I would look elsewhere to pin the blame on obesity.... look at tesco hypermarkets for instance and compare the % space used up by refined sugared products.... now look at a similar hypermarket in France... I think you will find its about 15% - 5%...

O I know it's not all McDonalds' fault but it's not exactly helping the situation, is it? Do you remember when fat kids used to be really unusual? They're everywhere now, and it's down to fast food, takeaways and the mountains of BOGOF cr@p people buy in supermarkets.

Remember when 'Chunk' from The Goonies was considered morbidly obese?

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MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote:
This is great news. I often find myself really fancying a McDonalds but at a complete loss as to where I might be able to find one. We urgently need more of them in our country if we're to meet our international obesity targets.

actually I would look elsewhere to pin the blame on obesity.... look at tesco hypermarkets for instance and compare the % space used up by refined sugared products.... now look at a similar hypermarket in France... I think you will find its about 15% - 5%...

And further consider the price of healthier foods compared to junk. It's really about time there was some sort of VAT incentive or something to eat healthily.

Another public house burnt down, never!!!

.. I'd only 'drive-thru' McD's in a bulldozer.

Georgem wrote:

St Retford wrote:

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote:
This is great news. I often find myself really fancying a McDonalds but at a complete loss as to where I might be able to find one. We urgently need more of them in our country if we're to meet our international obesity targets.

actually I would look elsewhere to pin the blame on obesity.... look at tesco hypermarkets for instance and compare the % space used up by refined sugared products.... now look at a similar hypermarket in France... I think you will find its about 15% - 5%...

O I know it's not all McDonalds' fault but it's not exactly helping the situation, is it? Do you remember when fat kids used to be really unusual? They're everywhere now, and it's down to fast food, takeaways and the mountains of BOGOF cr@p people buy in supermarkets.

Remember when 'Chunk' from The Goonies was considered morbidly obese?

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Haha - he'd get bullied for being skinny these days.

Brite Spark wrote:
Another public house burnt down, never!!!

As Al Murray said always empty the till first and blame it on the electrics

michaelwhite wrote:
So, you can have a pub on "the most dangerous bend in Totton", but not a fast food restaurant. Ridiculous reason.

The pub did not have hundreds of cars a day turning into the car park. Totton does not need another Mcdonalds. Please Totton council, do not allow this to go through.

michaelwhite wrote:
So, you can have a pub on "the most dangerous bend in Totton", but not a fast food restaurant. Ridiculous reason.

The pub was a legacy of the old days. Just because there was a pub there since time began doesn't mean that if knocked down it can't be replaced by another unless you can take into account how the use of the surroundings has changed. When the pub was last operating there, thanks to drink driving laws, not many cars would use the car-park. By the very description of a 'drive-thru' then you can take it that this will mean that there will be a steady stream of vehicles pulling in and out of the car-park. So it was just a few cars a day before to potentially one could imagine hundreds of cars if the proposal gets accepted. Why Totton needs a MacDonalds is beyond me for aficionados of the mighty M's fayres have Millbrook, Asda Totton and Ower all within a few minutes to provide them with their feasts. The amount of rubbish that gets dumped into the surrounding countryside on the way back into Totton along the A36 and A326 which is evidently from the establishment at Ower is horrendous. MacDonalds should be forced to help pay for the clear up of the litter which their customers are dropping. Totton is not the prettiest of Towns I'm sure most will agree however what charm it does have should be preserved and not ruined by empty food containers dropped from cars who's occupants are stuffed full of their wares.
It will be a 'No' vote from me.

Can"t get a burger before 10-00 a.m. though!!! don"t sell them

Georgem wrote:

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote:
This is great news. I often find myself really fancying a McDonalds but at a complete loss as to where I might be able to find one. We urgently need more of them in our country if we're to meet our international obesity targets.

actually I would look elsewhere to pin the blame on obesity.... look at tesco hypermarkets for instance and compare the % space used up by refined sugared products.... now look at a similar hypermarket in France... I think you will find its about 15% - 5%...

And further consider the price of healthier foods compared to junk. It's really about time there was some sort of VAT incentive or something to eat healthily.

You mean like there being no VAT on fresh meat, fruit, and vegetables but VAT on takeaways? Oh wait ...

**** OFF MacDonalds!

Graeme Harrison wrote:

Georgem wrote:

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote:
This is great news. I often find myself really fancying a McDonalds but at a complete loss as to where I might be able to find one. We urgently need more of them in our country if we're to meet our international obesity targets.

actually I would look elsewhere to pin the blame on obesity.... look at tesco hypermarkets for instance and compare the % space used up by refined sugared products.... now look at a similar hypermarket in France... I think you will find its about 15% - 5%...

And further consider the price of healthier foods compared to junk. It's really about time there was some sort of VAT incentive or something to eat healthily.

You mean like there being no VAT on fresh meat, fruit, and vegetables but VAT on takeaways? Oh wait ...

Fair point! Something other than VAT then. It's definitely cheaper to eat junk than it is to eat healthily.

There's already a Mcdonalds in asda over there, the only reason they want another one there is to increase revenue from lazy people who can't be bothered to get off their jelly arses and go inside to order... Then again I can technically ride my bike through and order but that would be pointless as I'd just lock it to a fence and sit at a bench to eat.

The last time I ate a McD was 3 years ago because there was nowhere else open (in France btw) and I was sick for 2 days! I vowed NEVER to eat one again so my vote goes for a mini ice rink with NO McD (Or similar) concession within!

Georgem wrote:

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote:
This is great news. I often find myself really fancying a McDonalds but at a complete loss as to where I might be able to find one. We urgently need more of them in our country if we're to meet our international obesity targets.

actually I would look elsewhere to pin the blame on obesity.... look at tesco hypermarkets for instance and compare the % space used up by refined sugared products.... now look at a similar hypermarket in France... I think you will find its about 15% - 5%...

And further consider the price of healthier foods compared to junk. It's really about time there was some sort of VAT incentive or something to eat healthily.

There is no VAT on the healthy foods that you refer to.
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However the Government could add a "pasty tax" on burgers on top of vat

Lone Ranger. wrote:

Georgem wrote:

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote:
This is great news. I often find myself really fancying a McDonalds but at a complete loss as to where I might be able to find one. We urgently need more of them in our country if we're to meet our international obesity targets.

actually I would look elsewhere to pin the blame on obesity.... look at tesco hypermarkets for instance and compare the % space used up by refined sugared products.... now look at a similar hypermarket in France... I think you will find its about 15% - 5%...

And further consider the price of healthier foods compared to junk. It's really about time there was some sort of VAT incentive or something to eat healthily.

There is no VAT on the healthy foods that you refer to.
.
However the Government could add a "pasty tax" on burgers on top of vat

Agreed, I would like to see junk food taxed to hell, but the trouble with that I suppose is that you will have millions of primates wondering around without a food source.

Shoong wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

Georgem wrote:

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote: This is great news. I often find myself really fancying a McDonalds but at a complete loss as to where I might be able to find one. We urgently need more of them in our country if we're to meet our international obesity targets.

actually I would look elsewhere to pin the blame on obesity.... look at tesco hypermarkets for instance and compare the % space used up by refined sugared products.... now look at a similar hypermarket in France... I think you will find its about 15% - 5%...

And further consider the price of healthier foods compared to junk. It's really about time there was some sort of VAT incentive or something to eat healthily.

There is no VAT on the healthy foods that you refer to. . However the Government could add a "pasty tax" on burgers on top of vat

Agreed, I would like to see junk food taxed to hell, but the trouble with that I suppose is that you will have millions of primates wondering around without a food source.

Problem is you would then also have to go after the supermarkets for all their junky pizzas and ready meals and mechanically recovered meat products. And also Iceland for er everything that the sell.

elvisimo wrote:

Shoong wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

Georgem wrote:

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote: This is great news. I often find myself really fancying a McDonalds but at a complete loss as to where I might be able to find one. We urgently need more of them in our country if we're to meet our international obesity targets.

actually I would look elsewhere to pin the blame on obesity.... look at tesco hypermarkets for instance and compare the % space used up by refined sugared products.... now look at a similar hypermarket in France... I think you will find its about 15% - 5%...

And further consider the price of healthier foods compared to junk. It's really about time there was some sort of VAT incentive or something to eat healthily.

There is no VAT on the healthy foods that you refer to. . However the Government could add a "pasty tax" on burgers on top of vat

Agreed, I would like to see junk food taxed to hell, but the trouble with that I suppose is that you will have millions of primates wondering around without a food source.

Problem is you would then also have to go after the supermarkets for all their junky pizzas and ready meals and mechanically recovered meat products. And also Iceland for er everything that the sell.

In my (brief) experience of Iceland, I don't think it would be fair to increase VAT on food mainly consisting of saw dust.

Shoong wrote:

elvisimo wrote:

Shoong wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

Georgem wrote:

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote: This is great news. I often find myself really fancying a McDonalds but at a complete loss as to where I might be able to find one. We urgently need more of them in our country if we're to meet our international obesity targets.

actually I would look elsewhere to pin the blame on obesity.... look at tesco hypermarkets for instance and compare the % space used up by refined sugared products.... now look at a similar hypermarket in France... I think you will find its about 15% - 5%...

And further consider the price of healthier foods compared to junk. It's really about time there was some sort of VAT incentive or something to eat healthily.

There is no VAT on the healthy foods that you refer to. . However the Government could add a "pasty tax" on burgers on top of vat

Agreed, I would like to see junk food taxed to hell, but the trouble with that I suppose is that you will have millions of primates wondering around without a food source.

Problem is you would then also have to go after the supermarkets for all their junky pizzas and ready meals and mechanically recovered meat products. And also Iceland for er everything that the sell.

In my (brief) experience of Iceland, I don't think it would be fair to increase VAT on food mainly consisting of saw dust.

fair enough although i am reliable informed that many of their specialities also contain lips and A**eholes

Totton probably didn't need an Argos, Asda, etc at one time but they have it.
Did they cause more traffic? Yes they probably did. They're still there and trading, giving employment and sustainability to the area.
Is having a McDonalds in an area related to crime? I'd love to see that statement backed up with real information.
As for not many fat kids about when we were younger, have a good look at almost any school photo and there's always been a few if them at every school.
Admittedly kids don't get out as much these days, and enjoy Xbox etc, but when parents do allow kids out to play they are scared to death of what might happen to them, highlighted just today with the abduction of the little girl in Wales.
But I don't want to see another McDonalds in Totton, unfortunately other than turning it over to housing what other business could thrive there?

Georgem wrote:

Graeme Harrison wrote:

Georgem wrote:

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote: This is great news. I often find myself really fancying a McDonalds but at a complete loss as to where I might be able to find one. We urgently need more of them in our country if we're to meet our international obesity targets.

actually I would look elsewhere to pin the blame on obesity.... look at tesco hypermarkets for instance and compare the % space used up by refined sugared products.... now look at a similar hypermarket in France... I think you will find its about 15% - 5%...

And further consider the price of healthier foods compared to junk. It's really about time there was some sort of VAT incentive or something to eat healthily.

You mean like there being no VAT on fresh meat, fruit, and vegetables but VAT on takeaways? Oh wait ...

Fair point! Something other than VAT then. It's definitely cheaper to eat junk than it is to eat healthily.

Sorry Georgem I usually agree with your comments but saying it's cheaper to eat unhealthy foods is just plain wrong. All convenience food is more expensive for what you get.
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Cola is more expensive than water. Chips are more expensive than potatoes. on and on and on.........

dopplershift wrote:

Georgem wrote:

Graeme Harrison wrote:

Georgem wrote:

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote: This is great news. I often find myself really fancying a McDonalds but at a complete loss as to where I might be able to find one. We urgently need more of them in our country if we're to meet our international obesity targets.

actually I would look elsewhere to pin the blame on obesity.... look at tesco hypermarkets for instance and compare the % space used up by refined sugared products.... now look at a similar hypermarket in France... I think you will find its about 15% - 5%...

And further consider the price of healthier foods compared to junk. It's really about time there was some sort of VAT incentive or something to eat healthily.

You mean like there being no VAT on fresh meat, fruit, and vegetables but VAT on takeaways? Oh wait ...

Fair point! Something other than VAT then. It's definitely cheaper to eat junk than it is to eat healthily.

Sorry Georgem I usually agree with your comments but saying it's cheaper to eat unhealthy foods is just plain wrong. All convenience food is more expensive for what you get.
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Cola is more expensive than water. Chips are more expensive than potatoes. on and on and on.........

I didn't mention convenience food, though. I mentioned healthy food. Putting together a healthy meal, with lean meat, and fresh vegetables, for example, costs significantly more than bunging some sausage egg and chips on the table. A ready-made lasagne, full of nitrates and preservatives, is a lot cheaper than making one fresh. Processed sandwich "meat" is a lot cheaper than real, actual meat. That's what I'm getting at.

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
There's already a Mcdonalds in asda over there, the only reason they want another one there is to increase revenue from lazy people who can't be bothered to get off their jelly arses and go inside to order... Then again I can technically ride my bike through and order but that would be pointless as I'd just lock it to a fence and sit at a bench to eat.

There's also the drive-thru not much further along, on the Millbrook roundabout.

...not forgetting the various chippies alreay on that road

McDonalds Large Big Mac meal with coke 1350 calories vs Wetherspoons Gourmet burger meal @ 1678 calories and thats without a drink.
This argument is not based on nutrition at all, why dont they actually survey the people in Totton instead of listening to people who probably live miles away in the forest.

Georgem wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
There's already a Mcdonalds in asda over there, the only reason they want another one there is to increase revenue from lazy people who can't be bothered to get off their jelly arses and go inside to order... Then again I can technically ride my bike through and order but that would be pointless as I'd just lock it to a fence and sit at a bench to eat.

There's also the drive-thru not much further along, on the Millbrook roundabout.

True, I need to ride out that way at some point, have a look at poingdestres new premises for their tackle shop.

Well, if the site is to be opened for fast food, I would support the council in inviting Burger King to look at the site. They are arguably better and I use them occasionally, but have to go to the Bargate for the pleasure.

Nicole23 wrote:
McDonalds Large Big Mac meal with coke 1350 calories vs Wetherspoons Gourmet burger meal @ 1678 calories and thats without a drink.
This argument is not based on nutrition at all, why dont they actually survey the people in Totton instead of listening to people who probably live miles away in the forest.

There's more to nutrition than calories.

The vast majority of fat people are fat because they are too lazy to eat the right foods. It is not more expensive to eat healthily but it does take a bit of thought and effort, something that fat people are clearly not prepared to do..............
You cannot blame McDonalds, Burgher King, Domino Pizza, Harry Ramsden, Tesco or anyone else - the only person to blame is yourself, or in the case of children, their parents!
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All IMHO!

George4th wrote:
The vast majority of fat people are fat because they are too lazy to eat the right foods. It is not more expensive to eat healthily but it does take a bit of thought and effort, something that fat people are clearly not prepared to do..............
You cannot blame McDonalds, Burgher King, Domino Pizza, Harry Ramsden, Tesco or anyone else - the only person to blame is yourself, or in the case of children, their parents!
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All IMHO!

hear hear! It's high time people took resposibility for their own health, rather than shift the blame onto others. NOBODY put a gun to their heads and said 'eat this', the choice is yours.

Maybe Asda Totton are getting rid of McDonalds to make way for their own brand restaurant, seems Maccys are desperate for this plot.

I'm sure the big M would have done major research and feel this is a good spot to be fighting to get in.

All the people who are against McD should go on to the NFDC website and put in an objection,the Council must take notice of such entries.

good-gosh wrote:
Well, if the site is to be opened for fast food, I would support the council in inviting Burger King to look at the site. They are arguably better and I use them occasionally, but have to go to the Bargate for the pleasure.

There is a Burger King in the foyer of the General Hospital. So much for hospitals promoting healthy eating!
Seriously though I would rather have a Mc D in Totton than the empty space, the Tatty Tyre Sales and the travellers park that greets drivers entering Totton from Southampton.

geoff51 wrote:

good-gosh wrote:
Well, if the site is to be opened for fast food, I would support the council in inviting Burger King to look at the site. They are arguably better and I use them occasionally, but have to go to the Bargate for the pleasure.

There is a Burger King in the foyer of the General Hospital. So much for hospitals promoting healthy eating!
Seriously though I would rather have a Mc D in Totton than the empty space, the Tatty Tyre Sales and the travellers park that greets drivers entering Totton from Southampton.

A huge brick wall would be better?

The thing that makes me laugh is that your all ranting and raving about Mcdonalds putting planning permission in to build another store that will bring more jobs for people and a better ecconomy to totton. But i can gurantee that the people moaning about mcdonalds putting in planning use the store in asda. People moaning about it being a mcdonalds have you ever considered it is more than likely to be a full menu store down to the size of the plot? no you all just jugde before you even consider it. Why because your all bone idol.

Maybe if you didn't stop people from having a smoke with their pint you'd still have a pub there.

For those commenting on the site being close to the McDonald's in Asda, that is proposed to be closed during the store's forthcoming revamp. It's possible that Asda would bring back its own cafe so McDonald's want another town centre location.
The number of new jobs is also in question, as many staff would just move from the Asda store to the proposed new one.
FYI, it is New Forest District Council who make the decision, although Totton and Eling Town Council get a say.

shirleyboy wrote:
The thing that makes me laugh is that your all ranting and raving about Mcdonalds putting planning permission in to build another store that will bring more jobs for people and a better ecconomy to totton. But i can gurantee that the people moaning about mcdonalds putting in planning use the store in asda. People moaning about it being a mcdonalds have you ever considered it is more than likely to be a full menu store down to the size of the plot? no you all just jugde before you even consider it. Why because your all bone idol.

Bone Idol? Is that some new talent show to find the next big porn star?

Lone Ranger. wrote:

Georgem wrote:

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote: This is great news. I often find myself really fancying a McDonalds but at a complete loss as to where I might be able to find one. We urgently need more of them in our country if we're to meet our international obesity targets.

actually I would look elsewhere to pin the blame on obesity.... look at tesco hypermarkets for instance and compare the % space used up by refined sugared products.... now look at a similar hypermarket in France... I think you will find its about 15% - 5%...

And further consider the price of healthier foods compared to junk. It's really about time there was some sort of VAT incentive or something to eat healthily.

There is no VAT on the healthy foods that you refer to. . However the Government could add a "pasty tax" on burgers on top of vat

Hmmm.... don't go giving the Govmt ideas.

They'll be slapping a extra "pasty tax" on everything that is bad... alcohol, fuel, air travel, confectionary, fags, swingers' hotels....

Mr. Ducke wrote:
Maybe if you didn't stop people from having a smoke with their pint you'd still have a pub there.

The reason the pub burnt down had, ironically, nothing to do with the smoking ban.
There was plenty of smoking going on and it wasnt just golden viginia if you get my meaning.
It wasnt due to falling no.s in trade.
It was always busy, with chavs and cackers.
It was to do with the land lady not actually having a license and when the brewery asked her to vacate the premises it just happen to catch fire, whilst said landlady and her family happen to not be in the building.
Draw your own conclusion to what may have happened.
Anyway..... Im totally against Macdonalds building on the site, their fries have to much salt. Burgerking would be better as im quite partial to a quater pounder (or 113.398 grams)

IronLady2010 wrote:
Maybe Asda Totton are getting rid of McDonalds to make way for their own brand restaurant, seems Maccys are desperate for this plot. I'm sure the big M would have done major research and feel this is a good spot to be fighting to get in.

Personally speaking, I'm glad Totton ASDA are getting shot of McDonalds, but if they are going to put one of their own restaurants in at their store there, ok, but hopefully it will be a bit better than the one in Southampton, certainly going by the last few times I've visited that one in there. Having said that, I'd still prefer the variety the ASDA restaurant menus have to offer than so-called fast-food, very limited options.

Ok, so, as far as McD's and the old Red Lion spot is concerned. Well, we can indeed be very sure that they consider this to be a prime location for it. Obviously they would hope to catch people leaving town on their way home from work, others on their way out to visit the forest etc, and locals too. It has to be said that their burgers are popular. However, I had a burger in their Totton ASDA spot last week - my first in something like, oh, about two years - and it really was absolute c-r-@-p! It was dried up and very bland-tasting, exactly as my few previous ones had been, previously. Now, I don't care if it did 'only' cost 99 pence, I expect it to at least look appetizing to start with, but more essentially to t-a-s-t-e of meat etc, as advertised.

Dont want houses,dont want flats,dont want McDonalds How about a labour exchange.

Though I no longer live in Totton, I was born there and still have some connections to the place, I was saddened that the old Red Lion burnt down as my dad worked in there as a barman back in the 50's to get extra money. As previously said, Totton is not the prettiest of towns and entering from Southampton you're not exactly presented with a pleasant vista but at least the pub wasnt ugly to look at, do the people of Totton really want that American golden arches representing the entrance to their town? (Rhetorical question) I know they probably dont want houses/flats there but if tastefully architectured wouldnt that be a better solution that the drive through. As for this country's obesity, there is that expression, "you are what you eat" no one forced them and they are lazy, lazy in the fact that they cant be bothered to cook proper meals like their parents/ grandparents did before them and fed them, Im guessing when they were small they werent overweight, unlike 25% of children are today. When I was school in the 60/70s, youcould count on one hand the number of large kids, most of us were skinny and think what we ate back then, meat, two veg, stodgy food etc but we ran around all day, but if it helps then it s a no to the McDonalds.