Hundreds queue for new Apple iPhone 5 (From Hampshire Chronicle)

bigfella777 wrote:
Sad,they should think about how it's made.

News Fanatic wrote:
I do not own a single Apple product and I do not think I am missing out. There are cheaper alternatives.

userds5050 wrote:

bigfella777 wrote:
Sad,they should think about how it's made.

The X box 360 and Playstation 3 are made in the same factory. You got one of those?

Georgem wrote:

News Fanatic wrote:
I do not own a single Apple product and I do not think I am missing out. There are cheaper alternatives.

You get what you pay for.

Stillness wrote:

Georgem wrote:

News Fanatic wrote:
I do not own a single Apple product and I do not think I am missing out. There are cheaper alternatives.

You get what you pay for.

Lol. Sorry, for a moment there I thought you were being serious. Then again I guess your right and in this case you are paying for a huge advertising company to sell a name.

Shoong wrote:
Craig Powell, you are a sad goon.

wilson castaway wrote:
4g mobile broadband.. that we may not even get here?

Just another reader wrote:

wilson castaway wrote:
4g mobile broadband.. that we may not even get here?

Um, there was a big new story last week on this website stating Southampton will be amongst the first to get 4g, this side of Christmas!

jojotgirl wrote:
My hubby's just been served and he only left home at 7am......same time as for work. People like what they like and he can afford it (through hard work - thanks very much!) and if it keeps his little self happy who are other to call him sad................e

xcept me.......I do like a good wind up! lol.

sotonwinch09 wrote:
I have an iPhone 4 which I use for a work phone and galaxy S3 for personal. The S3 is so much better than the iPhone, I seriously don't get how these people buy into a product so easily like sheep.

jojotgirl wrote:
My hubby's just been served and he only left home at 7am......same time as for work. People like what they like and he can afford it (through hard work - thanks very much!) and if it keeps his little self happy who are other to call him sad................e

xcept me.......I do like a good wind up! lol.

suenami71 wrote:

sotonwinch09 wrote:
I have an iPhone 4 which I use for a work phone and galaxy S3 for personal. The S3 is so much better than the iPhone, I seriously don't get how these people buy into a product so easily like sheep.

I agree with you .. I have a galaxy ace 2, I love it and it costs me £25 a month less than an iPhone would with the same services.. Its a shame that people can get sucked into the advertising hype and end up being sheep

Stillness wrote:

jojotgirl wrote:
My hubby's just been served and he only left home at 7am......same time as for work. People like what they like and he can afford it (through hard work - thanks very much!) and if it keeps his little self happy who are other to call him sad................e


xcept me.......I do like a good wind up! lol.

By "little self" I guess you mean ego.

suenami71 wrote:

sotonwinch09 wrote:
I have an iPhone 4 which I use for a work phone and galaxy S3 for personal. The S3 is so much better than the iPhone, I seriously don't get how these people buy into a product so easily like sheep.

I agree with you .. I have a galaxy ace 2, I love it and it costs me £25 a month less than an iPhone would with the same services.. Its a shame that people can get sucked into the advertising hype and end up being sheep

jojotgirl wrote:

Stillness wrote:

jojotgirl wrote:
My hubby's just been served and he only left home at 7am......same time as for work. People like what they like and he can afford it (through hard work - thanks very much!) and if it keeps his little self happy who are other to call him sad................e



xcept me.......I do like a good wind up! lol.

By "little self" I guess you mean ego.

I most certainly do not mean ego. As if a phone boosts someones ego!?!? Probably the complete opposite.....more geeky to queue than egotistical. Twit.

jimbobbo wrote:

Stillness wrote:

jojotgirl wrote:
My hubby's just been served and he only left home at 7am......same time as for work. People like what they like and he can afford it (through hard work - thanks very much!) and if it keeps his little self happy who are other to call him sad................e



xcept me.......I do like a good wind up! lol.

By "little self" I guess you mean ego.

I don't understand. Why would you think a hard-working man who enjoys new technology has a big ego.

Do you think you have a big ego when you get up early to pick up your benefits cheque each week?

jimbobbo wrote:

Stillness wrote:

jojotgirl wrote: My hubby's just been served and he only left home at 7am......same time as for work. People like what they like and he can afford it (through hard work - thanks very much!) and if it keeps his little self happy who are other to call him sad................e xcept me.......I do like a good wind up! lol.

By "little self" I guess you mean ego.

I don't understand. Why would you think a hard-working man who enjoys new technology has a big ego. Do you think you have a big ego when you get up early to pick up your benefits cheque each week?

userds5050 wrote:

suenami71 wrote:

sotonwinch09 wrote:
I have an iPhone 4 which I use for a work phone and galaxy S3 for personal. The S3 is so much better than the iPhone, I seriously don't get how these people buy into a product so easily like sheep.

I agree with you .. I have a galaxy ace 2, I love it and it costs me £25 a month less than an iPhone would with the same services.. Its a shame that people can get sucked into the advertising hype and end up being sheep

So Samsung don't advertise then? They both make good products and there isn't much difference in price. The iPhone 4 is just £319. Not sure why apple fans are sheep and Samsungs aren't.

Stillness wrote:

jojotgirl wrote:

Stillness wrote:

jojotgirl wrote:
My hubby's just been served and he only left home at 7am......same time as for work. People like what they like and he can afford it (through hard work - thanks very much!) and if it keeps his little self happy who are other to call him sad................e




xcept me.......I do like a good wind up! lol.

By "little self" I guess you mean ego.

I most certainly do not mean ego. As if a phone boosts someones ego!?!? Probably the complete opposite.....more geeky to queue than egotistical. Twit.

So why do people queue for hours then? Due to having common sense or to say "look at me, look what I've got and you haven't"?
So yes, ego, a very fragile one.

suenami71 wrote:

sotonwinch09 wrote:
I have an iPhone 4 which I use for a work phone and galaxy S3 for personal. The S3 is so much better than the iPhone, I seriously don't get how these people buy into a product so easily like sheep.

I agree with you .. I have a galaxy ace 2, I love it and it costs me £25 a month less than an iPhone would with the same services.. Its a shame that people can get sucked into the advertising hype and end up being sheep

Stillness wrote:

jojotgirl wrote:

Stillness wrote:

jojotgirl wrote:
My hubby's just been served and he only left home at 7am......same time as for work. People like what they like and he can afford it (through hard work - thanks very much!) and if it keeps his little self happy who are other to call him sad................e




xcept me.......I do like a good wind up! lol.

By "little self" I guess you mean ego.

I most certainly do not mean ego. As if a phone boosts someones ego!?!? Probably the complete opposite.....more geeky to queue than egotistical. Twit.

So why do people queue for hours then? Due to having common sense or to say "look at me, look what I've got and you haven't"?
So yes, ego, a very fragile one.

Georgem wrote:

Stillness wrote:

jojotgirl wrote:

Stillness wrote:

jojotgirl wrote:
My hubby's just been served and he only left home at 7am......same time as for work. People like what they like and he can afford it (through hard work - thanks very much!) and if it keeps his little self happy who are other to call him sad................e





xcept me.......I do like a good wind up! lol.

By "little self" I guess you mean ego.

I most certainly do not mean ego. As if a phone boosts someones ego!?!? Probably the complete opposite.....more geeky to queue than egotistical. Twit.

So why do people queue for hours then? Due to having common sense or to say "look at me, look what I've got and you haven't"?
So yes, ego, a very fragile one.

Yep. Ego. It is. Pure and simple. The iPhone they get by queueing is exactly the same as the one someone else gets a week or so from now in the post. So what was the point?

userds5050 wrote:

Stillness wrote:

jojotgirl wrote:

Stillness wrote:

jojotgirl wrote:
My hubby's just been served and he only left home at 7am......same time as for work. People like what they like and he can afford it (through hard work - thanks very much!) and if it keeps his little self happy who are other to call him sad................e





xcept me.......I do like a good wind up! lol.

By "little self" I guess you mean ego.

I most certainly do not mean ego. As if a phone boosts someones ego!?!? Probably the complete opposite.....more geeky to queue than egotistical. Twit.

So why do people queue for hours then? Due to having common sense or to say "look at me, look what I've got and you haven't"?
So yes, ego, a very fragile one.

I kind of agree. Not sure how much of the iPhone's success is down to conspicuous consumption. You still have to have a decent product. but is there really a massive difference between the iPhone 5 and the iPhone 4 apart from a slightly bigger screen?

Ferngully wrote:

suenami71 wrote:

sotonwinch09 wrote:
I have an iPhone 4 which I use for a work phone and galaxy S3 for personal. The S3 is so much better than the iPhone, I seriously don't get how these people buy into a product so easily like sheep.

I agree with you .. I have a galaxy ace 2, I love it and it costs me £25 a month less than an iPhone would with the same services.. Its a shame that people can get sucked into the advertising hype and end up being sheep

Likewise, I have a galaxy s2. you can get apps for free as well as download free music whereas apple rip you off for both together with an over inflated price for their highly hyped products. Android is a far better o/s as well.

Northamboy wrote:
My phone cost £19.99 on pay as you go and it makes calls, sends texts, connects through Bluetooth to the car and has a camera!

Should I upgrade to a £500 phone or have a week away somewhere?

Ferngully wrote:

Georgem wrote:

Stillness wrote:

jojotgirl wrote:

Stillness wrote:

jojotgirl wrote:
My hubby's just been served and he only left home at 7am......same time as for work. People like what they like and he can afford it (through hard work - thanks very much!) and if it keeps his little self happy who are other to call him sad................e






xcept me.......I do like a good wind up! lol.

By "little self" I guess you mean ego.

I most certainly do not mean ego. As if a phone boosts someones ego!?!? Probably the complete opposite.....more geeky to queue than egotistical. Twit.

So why do people queue for hours then? Due to having common sense or to say "look at me, look what I've got and you haven't"?
So yes, ego, a very fragile one.

Yep. Ego. It is. Pure and simple. The iPhone they get by queueing is exactly the same as the one someone else gets a week or so from now in the post. So what was the point?

The point is they don't get free cookies and drinks and high fives from apple staff ... so it must be worth it .... Not

Georgem wrote:

userds5050 wrote:

Stillness wrote:

jojotgirl wrote:

Stillness wrote:

jojotgirl wrote:
My hubby's just been served and he only left home at 7am......same time as for work. People like what they like and he can afford it (through hard work - thanks very much!) and if it keeps his little self happy who are other to call him sad................e






xcept me.......I do like a good wind up! lol.

By "little self" I guess you mean ego.

I most certainly do not mean ego. As if a phone boosts someones ego!?!? Probably the complete opposite.....more geeky to queue than egotistical. Twit.

So why do people queue for hours then? Due to having common sense or to say "look at me, look what I've got and you haven't"?
So yes, ego, a very fragile one.

I kind of agree. Not sure how much of the iPhone's success is down to conspicuous consumption. You still have to have a decent product. but is there really a massive difference between the iPhone 5 and the iPhone 4 apart from a slightly bigger screen?

The camera is quite a bit better now, too. I personally couldn't care less about that, but each to their own.

Georgem wrote:

Northamboy wrote:
My phone cost £19.99 on pay as you go and it makes calls, sends texts, connects through Bluetooth to the car and has a camera!

Should I upgrade to a £500 phone or have a week away somewhere?

Meh. It's not really a fair comparison. Smartphones aren't really phones, they're handheld computers that also happen to make phone calls. If that doesn't interest you, fair enough, but resisting them just because "why would I want to do that with a phone?" is short-changing yourself.

Ferngully wrote:
Apple have dumped google maps on the iphone 5 in favour of an apple map app but it instantly faced a barrage of criticism from users who complained about missing towns, misplaced villages, satellite images covered by cloud, incorrect searches and even a farm identified as an airport.

As the iPhone 5 launches, along with the new iOS software, many more errors are likely to come to light over the next few weeks.

Ferngully wrote:
Apple have dumped google maps on the iphone 5 in favour of an apple map app but it instantly faced a barrage of criticism from users who complained about missing towns, misplaced villages, satellite images covered by cloud, incorrect searches and even a farm identified as an airport.

As the iPhone 5 launches, along with the new iOS software, many more errors are likely to come to light over the next few weeks.

Just another reader wrote:

wilson castaway wrote:
4g mobile broadband.. that we may not even get here?

Um, there was a big new story last week on this website stating Southampton will be amongst the first to get 4g, this side of Christmas!

wilson castaway wrote:

Just another reader wrote:

wilson castaway wrote:
4g mobile broadband.. that we may not even get here?

Um, there was a big new story last week on this website stating Southampton will be amongst the first to get 4g, this side of Christmas!

Yes I read that but also saw the 'Apple guy' on tv stating 4g is likely to only be available in USA.

jimbobbo wrote:

Georgem wrote:

Northamboy wrote:
My phone cost £19.99 on pay as you go and it makes calls, sends texts, connects through Bluetooth to the car and has a camera!

Should I upgrade to a £500 phone or have a week away somewhere?

Meh. It's not really a fair comparison. Smartphones aren't really phones, they're handheld computers that also happen to make phone calls. If that doesn't interest you, fair enough, but resisting them just because "why would I want to do that with a phone?" is short-changing yourself.

Agreed.

Another side to the debate is that I pay £50 per month for my business mobile (because I get unlimited minutes for this price), so shall I upgrade to an iPhone 5 for no cost, or shall I choose your £19.99 'sends texts and makes calls' jobby?

What is your advice here?

I'd find the GPS function pretty useful on the iPhone, not to mention the Natwest banking app that allows me to send money to my suppliers instantly. Oh, and then there's the fact that it syncs seamlessly with Microsoft Exchange to show me my daily diary and to-do list. And did I mention that i could also use it as a distance tracker for my runs and bike rides?

It's horses for courses my friend. I'd pay for the iPhone5 even if it wasn't free. And why? Because it makes my life 700 times easier.

Stillness wrote:

jimbobbo wrote:

Georgem wrote:

Northamboy wrote:
My phone cost £19.99 on pay as you go and it makes calls, sends texts, connects through Bluetooth to the car and has a camera!

Should I upgrade to a £500 phone or have a week away somewhere?

Meh. It's not really a fair comparison. Smartphones aren't really phones, they're handheld computers that also happen to make phone calls. If that doesn't interest you, fair enough, but resisting them just because "why would I want to do that with a phone?" is short-changing yourself.

Agreed.

Another side to the debate is that I pay £50 per month for my business mobile (because I get unlimited minutes for this price), so shall I upgrade to an iPhone 5 for no cost, or shall I choose your £19.99 'sends texts and makes calls' jobby?

What is your advice here?

I'd find the GPS function pretty useful on the iPhone, not to mention the Natwest banking app that allows me to send money to my suppliers instantly. Oh, and then there's the fact that it syncs seamlessly with Microsoft Exchange to show me my daily diary and to-do list. And did I mention that i could also use it as a distance tracker for my runs and bike rides?

It's horses for courses my friend. I'd pay for the iPhone5 even if it wasn't free. And why? Because it makes my life 700 times easier.

Do you have an app to work out the 700 times easier bit? Is my life 700 times harder without one?
No it's not.

jimbobbo wrote:

Stillness wrote:

jimbobbo wrote:

Georgem wrote:

Northamboy wrote:
My phone cost £19.99 on pay as you go and it makes calls, sends texts, connects through Bluetooth to the car and has a camera!

Should I upgrade to a £500 phone or have a week away somewhere?

Meh. It's not really a fair comparison. Smartphones aren't really phones, they're handheld computers that also happen to make phone calls. If that doesn't interest you, fair enough, but resisting them just because "why would I want to do that with a phone?" is short-changing yourself.

Agreed.

Another side to the debate is that I pay £50 per month for my business mobile (because I get unlimited minutes for this price), so shall I upgrade to an iPhone 5 for no cost, or shall I choose your £19.99 'sends texts and makes calls' jobby?

What is your advice here?

I'd find the GPS function pretty useful on the iPhone, not to mention the Natwest banking app that allows me to send money to my suppliers instantly. Oh, and then there's the fact that it syncs seamlessly with Microsoft Exchange to show me my daily diary and to-do list. And did I mention that i could also use it as a distance tracker for my runs and bike rides?

It's horses for courses my friend. I'd pay for the iPhone5 even if it wasn't free. And why? Because it makes my life 700 times easier.

Do you have an app to work out the 700 times easier bit? Is my life 700 times harder without one?
No it's not.

That's because you're simple.

Lockssmart wrote:
I got an eye pad. Now I can only see out of one eye.

cityboy74 wrote:
Same old Blah ! Blah ! Blah ! from people on here, I think most on here would manage to have an argument in a room on your own! This is the standard age old argument , VHS or Betamax / CD or MiniDisc / Sony Playstation or Xbox, Apple or Samsung, Consider the possibility of this, some people buy products because they like how a specific product works, I have used samsung and apple Iphone , I preffered the Iphone, not through advertising or misplaced loyalty, I just personally found it worked for me.....no i am not a sheep, I dont buy anything I dont like, price is never the issue , end of....

Stillness wrote:

cityboy74 wrote:
Same old Blah ! Blah ! Blah ! from people on here, I think most on here would manage to have an argument in a room on your own! This is the standard age old argument , VHS or Betamax / CD or MiniDisc / Sony Playstation or Xbox, Apple or Samsung, Consider the possibility of this, some people buy products because they like how a specific product works, I have used samsung and apple Iphone , I preffered the Iphone, not through advertising or misplaced loyalty, I just personally found it worked for me.....no i am not a sheep, I dont buy anything I dont like, price is never the issue , end of....

Should that not be Baa, baa baa? Ewe should know better than to try and ram you point home like that on here. Personally I think Apple are trying to pull the wool over their customers eyes and they should Collie well know better. Their customers are being fleeced and just tag along like lambs being lead to slaughter. I think if you have a (Bo) Peep at the specification of the Iphone 5 there is very little difference to the HTC Sensation that I use. Even if I'm wrong I wont be blue or have a need to blow my own horn. Now just let sleeping sheep dogs lie will you?

cityboy74 wrote:

Stillness wrote:

cityboy74 wrote:
Same old Blah ! Blah ! Blah ! from people on here, I think most on here would manage to have an argument in a room on your own! This is the standard age old argument , VHS or Betamax / CD or MiniDisc / Sony Playstation or Xbox, Apple or Samsung, Consider the possibility of this, some people buy products because they like how a specific product works, I have used samsung and apple Iphone , I preffered the Iphone, not through advertising or misplaced loyalty, I just personally found it worked for me.....no i am not a sheep, I dont buy anything I dont like, price is never the issue , end of....

Should that not be Baa, baa baa? Ewe should know better than to try and ram you point home like that on here. Personally I think Apple are trying to pull the wool over their customers eyes and they should Collie well know better. Their customers are being fleeced and just tag along like lambs being lead to slaughter. I think if you have a (Bo) Peep at the specification of the Iphone 5 there is very little difference to the HTC Sensation that I use. Even if I'm wrong I wont be blue or have a need to blow my own horn. Now just let sleeping sheep dogs lie will you?

Ha Ha Ha,

I cant even be bothered with you.....

Stillness wrote:

cityboy74 wrote:

Stillness wrote:

cityboy74 wrote:
Same old Blah ! Blah ! Blah ! from people on here, I think most on here would manage to have an argument in a room on your own! This is the standard age old argument , VHS or Betamax / CD or MiniDisc / Sony Playstation or Xbox, Apple or Samsung, Consider the possibility of this, some people buy products because they like how a specific product works, I have used samsung and apple Iphone , I preffered the Iphone, not through advertising or misplaced loyalty, I just personally found it worked for me.....no i am not a sheep, I dont buy anything I dont like, price is never the issue , end of....

Should that not be Baa, baa baa? Ewe should know better than to try and ram you point home like that on here. Personally I think Apple are trying to pull the wool over their customers eyes and they should Collie well know better. Their customers are being fleeced and just tag along like lambs being lead to slaughter. I think if you have a (Bo) Peep at the specification of the Iphone 5 there is very little difference to the HTC Sensation that I use. Even if I'm wrong I wont be blue or have a need to blow my own horn. Now just let sleeping sheep dogs lie will you?

Ha Ha Ha,

I cant even be bothered with you.....

So why did you? Just wondering. I guess the "boy" part in your name is quite telling ;-)

Lockssmart wrote:
So people just post items to make others bite the bait. Lol

Lockssmart wrote:
You could put an Apple label on a dog turd and these people would queue up for it.

BillyTheKid wrote:
I wouldn't mind betting that the vast majority of people who have bought this phone don't actually need it, and, of those that feel they do, again the vast majority will not have used most of the features by this time next year.

But so what ? After several years of recession, and the worst summer for 100 years, it's good to see people have still got some spirit in them to get excited about something, even if it is just a luxury phone.

We British are always getting excited about things that don't really matter in the great scheme of things. We want cars, bikes, computers, TV's, guitars, houses, clothes, and a thousand and one other things, all with specifications far greater than we'll ever need. We like to feel we're experts with a nose for quality, even if it is only what the salesman has persuaded us to believe. We're hunters, gatherers, collectors. We love the the quest to possess. We want the Holy Grail, especially if it's on special offer this week only. We'll even queue for days to get an over-priced ticket to see a pop group give the worst performance of their lives, but "I was there!"

People aren't "sad" just because they want something to brighten their day ! Enjoy your phones, and ignore the cynics.

Georgem wrote:
Any time someone expresses a liking for an Apple product, people feel obliged to leap out of the woodwork and tell them how stupid they are. Remind me who the sheep are, again?

S!monOn wrote:

Georgem wrote:
Any time someone expresses a liking for an Apple product, people feel obliged to leap out of the woodwork and tell them how stupid they are. Remind me who the sheep are, again?

They're the four legged animals in the field over there ---------->

Northamboy wrote:
My phone cost £19.99 on pay as you go and it makes calls, sends texts, connects through Bluetooth to the car and has a camera! Should I upgrade to a £500 phone or have a week away somewhere?

Linesman wrote:
There must be plenty of money about despite the double-dip recession.

bernard7 wrote:
Here's a good caption they should have used for that photo: "Craig powell now owns an iphone 5, he also has a very strong right hand"

rich the stitch wrote:

bernard7 wrote:
Here's a good caption they should have used for that photo: "Craig powell now owns an iphone 5, he also has a very strong right hand"

Or "Craig Powell (single) who was the first in line for the new iphone"

Linesman wrote:
There must be plenty of money about despite the double-dip recession.

Shoong wrote:

Linesman wrote: There must be plenty of money about despite the double-dip recession.

No mention of Afghanistan here, a first perhaps.

Dasal wrote:

Shoong wrote:

Linesman wrote: There must be plenty of money about despite the double-dip recession.

No mention of Afghanistan here, a first perhaps.

...................o r the nazi.s !!!

Stillness wrote:

cityboy74 wrote:

Stillness wrote:

cityboy74 wrote:

Stillness wrote:

cityboy74 wrote:
Same old Blah ! Blah ! Blah ! from people on here, I think most on here would manage to have an argument in a room on your own! This is the standard age old argument , VHS or Betamax / CD or MiniDisc / Sony Playstation or Xbox, Apple or Samsung, Consider the possibility of this, some people buy products because they like how a specific product works, I have used samsung and apple Iphone , I preffered the Iphone, not through advertising or misplaced loyalty, I just personally found it worked for me.....no i am not a sheep, I dont buy anything I dont like, price is never the issue , end of....

Should that not be Baa, baa baa? Ewe should know better than to try and ram you point home like that on here. Personally I think Apple are trying to pull the wool over their customers eyes and they should Collie well know better. Their customers are being fleeced and just tag along like lambs being lead to slaughter. I think if you have a (Bo) Peep at the specification of the Iphone 5 there is very little difference to the HTC Sensation that I use. Even if I'm wrong I wont be blue or have a need to blow my own horn. Now just let sleeping sheep dogs lie will you?

Ha Ha Ha,

I cant even be bothered with you.....

So why did you? Just wondering. I guess the "boy" part in your name is quite telling ;-)

Yawn , Very Droll im sure.
Its called giving an opinion. (all this over someones choice of phone really?)

If you look at my original post about people who manage to have an argument in a room on there own, guess what !! its you , proved my point , I rest my case.

In reference to the Cityboy title, is the "boy" insult the best you could do ,- the fact you highlighted this may mean that you actually suffer a form of inferiority complex yourself. which is why you are trying to provoke an argument in anonymous forum.

oh, You shouldn't bother trying to argue this point, because I wont be wasting anymore time furnishing you with a response.

- Im busy queuing for my iphone,

Is it truly possible to be "busy queuing"?
Is this an example of how your phone has made your life 700 times easier?
Tell you what boy, you can keep your easier life. I think I prefer my harder one.
Oh. I've just wasted my time because you are too busy queuing to waste any more of your time with me. Looks like you manage to waste a lot of your time. I wonder what that makes you?

Stillness wrote:

Stillness wrote:

cityboy74 wrote:

Stillness wrote:

cityboy74 wrote:

Stillness wrote:

cityboy74 wrote:
Same old Blah ! Blah ! Blah ! from people on here, I think most on here would manage to have an argument in a room on your own! This is the standard age old argument , VHS or Betamax / CD or MiniDisc / Sony Playstation or Xbox, Apple or Samsung, Consider the possibility of this, some people buy products because they like how a specific product works, I have used samsung and apple Iphone , I preffered the Iphone, not through advertising or misplaced loyalty, I just personally found it worked for me.....no i am not a sheep, I dont buy anything I dont like, price is never the issue , end of....

Should that not be Baa, baa baa? Ewe should know better than to try and ram you point home like that on here. Personally I think Apple are trying to pull the wool over their customers eyes and they should Collie well know better. Their customers are being fleeced and just tag along like lambs being lead to slaughter. I think if you have a (Bo) Peep at the specification of the Iphone 5 there is very little difference to the HTC Sensation that I use. Even if I'm wrong I wont be blue or have a need to blow my own horn. Now just let sleeping sheep dogs lie will you?

Ha Ha Ha,

I cant even be bothered with you.....

So why did you? Just wondering. I guess the "boy" part in your name is quite telling ;-)

Yawn , Very Droll im sure.
Its called giving an opinion. (all this over someones choice of phone really?)

If you look at my original post about people who manage to have an argument in a room on there own, guess what !! its you , proved my point , I rest my case.

In reference to the Cityboy title, is the "boy" insult the best you could do ,- the fact you highlighted this may mean that you actually suffer a form of inferiority complex yourself. which is why you are trying to provoke an argument in anonymous forum.

oh, You shouldn't bother trying to argue this point, because I wont be wasting anymore time furnishing you with a response.

- Im busy queuing for my iphone,

Is it truly possible to be "busy queuing"?
Is this an example of how your phone has made your life 700 times easier?
Tell you what boy, you can keep your easier life. I think I prefer my harder one.
Oh. I've just wasted my time because you are too busy queuing to waste any more of your time with me. Looks like you manage to waste a lot of your time. I wonder what that makes you?

I wonder if this the post I got reported to the echo moderators for. I guess things are even more fragile than I first thought lol.

Georgem wrote:

Linesman wrote:
There must be plenty of money about despite the double-dip recession.

Of course there is. Not everyone's destitute.

jojotgirl wrote:

suenami71 wrote:

sotonwinch09 wrote:
I have an iPhone 4 which I use for a work phone and galaxy S3 for personal. The S3 is so much better than the iPhone, I seriously don't get how these people buy into a product so easily like sheep.

I agree with you .. I have a galaxy ace 2, I love it and it costs me £25 a month less than an iPhone would with the same services.. Its a shame that people can get sucked into the advertising hype and end up being sheep

I have an i phone 4s and I love it, love , love it and it costs me £10 month inc vat...............sh

eep, my bum. Everyone is allowed to like what they like. That you like the cheapo, half hearted imitation is good for you! lol

cityboy74 wrote:

Stillness wrote:

cityboy74 wrote:

Stillness wrote:

cityboy74 wrote:
Same old Blah ! Blah ! Blah ! from people on here, I think most on here would manage to have an argument in a room on your own! This is the standard age old argument , VHS or Betamax / CD or MiniDisc / Sony Playstation or Xbox, Apple or Samsung, Consider the possibility of this, some people buy products because they like how a specific product works, I have used samsung and apple Iphone , I preffered the Iphone, not through advertising or misplaced loyalty, I just personally found it worked for me.....no i am not a sheep, I dont buy anything I dont like, price is never the issue , end of....

Should that not be Baa, baa baa? Ewe should know better than to try and ram you point home like that on here. Personally I think Apple are trying to pull the wool over their customers eyes and they should Collie well know better. Their customers are being fleeced and just tag along like lambs being lead to slaughter. I think if you have a (Bo) Peep at the specification of the Iphone 5 there is very little difference to the HTC Sensation that I use. Even if I'm wrong I wont be blue or have a need to blow my own horn. Now just let sleeping sheep dogs lie will you?

Ha Ha Ha,

I cant even be bothered with you.....

So why did you? Just wondering. I guess the "boy" part in your name is quite telling ;-)

Yawn , Very Droll im sure.
Its called giving an opinion. (all this over someones choice of phone really?)

If you look at my original post about people who manage to have an argument in a room on there own, guess what !! its you , proved my point , I rest my case.

In reference to the Cityboy title, is the "boy" insult the best you could do ,- the fact you highlighted this may mean that you actually suffer a form of inferiority complex yourself. which is why you are trying to provoke an argument in anonymous forum.

oh, You shouldn't bother trying to argue this point, because I wont be wasting anymore time furnishing you with a response.

- Im busy queuing for my iphone,

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

jojotgirl wrote:

suenami71 wrote:

sotonwinch09 wrote:
I have an iPhone 4 which I use for a work phone and galaxy S3 for personal. The S3 is so much better than the iPhone, I seriously don't get how these people buy into a product so easily like sheep.

I agree with you .. I have a galaxy ace 2, I love it and it costs me £25 a month less than an iPhone would with the same services.. Its a shame that people can get sucked into the advertising hype and end up being sheep

I have an i phone 4s and I love it, love , love it and it costs me £10 month inc vat...............sh


eep, my bum. Everyone is allowed to like what they like. That you like the cheapo, half hearted imitation is good for you! lol

Android isn't a cheapo imitation, apple is an expensive imitation.

bianca powell x wrote:
just thought i would comment as craig powells sister i think all of you who are jealous are **** saying my brother is this and that i bet you are a poor council estate family with not a pot to **** in so get of your arses you lazy benefit scrounging **** and get real............ just because he was 1st in line got the first iphone 5 and was on the front page of the iphone soooo hahahahahahaha shame on you losers !!!!!!!!!!!

Peg 85 wrote:
Hi, I'm Craig Powell.

I can't work out what all the jealous people that have a problem with people like me queuing! They wish they had £700 to spend.
Apple do the best products full stop. So stop slagging me off. Laters!
Ps: I'm loving this iPhone 5.

Stillness wrote:

Stillness wrote:

cityboy74 wrote:

Stillness wrote:

cityboy74 wrote:

Stillness wrote:

cityboy74 wrote:
Same old Blah ! Blah ! Blah ! from people on here, I think most on here would manage to have an argument in a room on your own! This is the standard age old argument , VHS or Betamax / CD or MiniDisc / Sony Playstation or Xbox, Apple or Samsung, Consider the possibility of this, some people buy products because they like how a specific product works, I have used samsung and apple Iphone , I preffered the Iphone, not through advertising or misplaced loyalty, I just personally found it worked for me.....no i am not a sheep, I dont buy anything I dont like, price is never the issue , end of....

Should that not be Baa, baa baa? Ewe should know better than to try and ram you point home like that on here. Personally I think Apple are trying to pull the wool over their customers eyes and they should Collie well know better. Their customers are being fleeced and just tag along like lambs being lead to slaughter. I think if you have a (Bo) Peep at the specification of the Iphone 5 there is very little difference to the HTC Sensation that I use. Even if I'm wrong I wont be blue or have a need to blow my own horn. Now just let sleeping sheep dogs lie will you?

Ha Ha Ha,

I cant even be bothered with you.....

So why did you? Just wondering. I guess the "boy" part in your name is quite telling ;-)

Yawn , Very Droll im sure.
Its called giving an opinion. (all this over someones choice of phone really?)

If you look at my original post about people who manage to have an argument in a room on there own, guess what !! its you , proved my point , I rest my case.

In reference to the Cityboy title, is the "boy" insult the best you could do ,- the fact you highlighted this may mean that you actually suffer a form of inferiority complex yourself. which is why you are trying to provoke an argument in anonymous forum.

oh, You shouldn't bother trying to argue this point, because I wont be wasting anymore time furnishing you with a response.

- Im busy queuing for my iphone,

Is it truly possible to be "busy queuing"?
Is this an example of how your phone has made your life 700 times easier?
Tell you what boy, you can keep your easier life. I think I prefer my harder one.
Oh. I've just wasted my time because you are too busy queuing to waste any more of your time with me. Looks like you manage to waste a lot of your time. I wonder what that makes you?

I wonder if this the post I got reported to the echo moderators for. I guess things are even more fragile than I first thought lol.

BillyTheKid wrote:

Stillness wrote:

Stillness wrote:

cityboy74 wrote:

Stillness wrote:

cityboy74 wrote:

Stillness wrote:

cityboy74 wrote:
Same old Blah ! Blah ! Blah ! from people on here, I think most on here would manage to have an argument in a room on your own! This is the standard age old argument , VHS or Betamax / CD or MiniDisc / Sony Playstation or Xbox, Apple or Samsung, Consider the possibility of this, some people buy products because they like how a specific product works, I have used samsung and apple Iphone , I preffered the Iphone, not through advertising or misplaced loyalty, I just personally found it worked for me.....no i am not a sheep, I dont buy anything I dont like, price is never the issue , end of....

Should that not be Baa, baa baa? Ewe should know better than to try and ram you point home like that on here. Personally I think Apple are trying to pull the wool over their customers eyes and they should Collie well know better. Their customers are being fleeced and just tag along like lambs being lead to slaughter. I think if you have a (Bo) Peep at the specification of the Iphone 5 there is very little difference to the HTC Sensation that I use. Even if I'm wrong I wont be blue or have a need to blow my own horn. Now just let sleeping sheep dogs lie will you?

Ha Ha Ha,

I cant even be bothered with you.....

So why did you? Just wondering. I guess the "boy" part in your name is quite telling ;-)

Yawn , Very Droll im sure.
Its called giving an opinion. (all this over someones choice of phone really?)

If you look at my original post about people who manage to have an argument in a room on there own, guess what !! its you , proved my point , I rest my case.

In reference to the Cityboy title, is the "boy" insult the best you could do ,- the fact you highlighted this may mean that you actually suffer a form of inferiority complex yourself. which is why you are trying to provoke an argument in anonymous forum.

oh, You shouldn't bother trying to argue this point, because I wont be wasting anymore time furnishing you with a response.

- Im busy queuing for my iphone,

Is it truly possible to be "busy queuing"?
Is this an example of how your phone has made your life 700 times easier?
Tell you what boy, you can keep your easier life. I think I prefer my harder one.
Oh. I've just wasted my time because you are too busy queuing to waste any more of your time with me. Looks like you manage to waste a lot of your time. I wonder what that makes you?

I wonder if this the post I got reported to the echo moderators for. I guess things are even more fragile than I first thought lol.

Perhaps they are on to you at last, Stillness. Sometimes it's a long time coming, but justice will find you eventually.

Stillness wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:

Stillness wrote:

Stillness wrote:

cityboy74 wrote:

Stillness wrote:

cityboy74 wrote:

Stillness wrote:

cityboy74 wrote:
Same old Blah ! Blah ! Blah ! from people on here, I think most on here would manage to have an argument in a room on your own! This is the standard age old argument , VHS or Betamax / CD or MiniDisc / Sony Playstation or Xbox, Apple or Samsung, Consider the possibility of this, some people buy products because they like how a specific product works, I have used samsung and apple Iphone , I preffered the Iphone, not through advertising or misplaced loyalty, I just personally found it worked for me.....no i am not a sheep, I dont buy anything I dont like, price is never the issue , end of....

Should that not be Baa, baa baa? Ewe should know better than to try and ram you point home like that on here. Personally I think Apple are trying to pull the wool over their customers eyes and they should Collie well know better. Their customers are being fleeced and just tag along like lambs being lead to slaughter. I think if you have a (Bo) Peep at the specification of the Iphone 5 there is very little difference to the HTC Sensation that I use. Even if I'm wrong I wont be blue or have a need to blow my own horn. Now just let sleeping sheep dogs lie will you?

Ha Ha Ha,

I cant even be bothered with you.....

So why did you? Just wondering. I guess the "boy" part in your name is quite telling ;-)

Yawn , Very Droll im sure.
Its called giving an opinion. (all this over someones choice of phone really?)

If you look at my original post about people who manage to have an argument in a room on there own, guess what !! its you , proved my point , I rest my case.

In reference to the Cityboy title, is the "boy" insult the best you could do ,- the fact you highlighted this may mean that you actually suffer a form of inferiority complex yourself. which is why you are trying to provoke an argument in anonymous forum.

oh, You shouldn't bother trying to argue this point, because I wont be wasting anymore time furnishing you with a response.

- Im busy queuing for my iphone,

Is it truly possible to be "busy queuing"?
Is this an example of how your phone has made your life 700 times easier?
Tell you what boy, you can keep your easier life. I think I prefer my harder one.
Oh. I've just wasted my time because you are too busy queuing to waste any more of your time with me. Looks like you manage to waste a lot of your time. I wonder what that makes you?

I wonder if this the post I got reported to the echo moderators for. I guess things are even more fragile than I first thought lol.

Perhaps they are on to you at last, Stillness. Sometimes it's a long time coming, but justice will find you eventually.

Sounds like you are trying to guess my future by basing it on your past Willy. But then you've always enjoyed talking about yourself haven't you?

userds5050 wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

jojotgirl wrote:

suenami71 wrote:

sotonwinch09 wrote:
I have an iPhone 4 which I use for a work phone and galaxy S3 for personal. The S3 is so much better than the iPhone, I seriously don't get how these people buy into a product so easily like sheep.

I agree with you .. I have a galaxy ace 2, I love it and it costs me £25 a month less than an iPhone would with the same services.. Its a shame that people can get sucked into the advertising hype and end up being sheep

I have an i phone 4s and I love it, love , love it and it costs me £10 month inc vat...............sh



eep, my bum. Everyone is allowed to like what they like. That you like the cheapo, half hearted imitation is good for you! lol

Android isn't a cheapo imitation, apple is an expensive imitation.

Android isn't a phone. It's an open source operating system used by some phone makers. Apple manufacture their phones as well as developing their own OS. Samsung (they make phones) can not say the same thing and rely on a third party (Google) to write theirs. So who's the imitator again?

Peg 85 wrote:
Hi, I'm Craig Powell.

I can't work out what all the jealous people that have a problem with people like me queuing! They wish they had £700 to spend.
Apple do the best products full stop. So stop slagging me off. Laters!
Ps: I'm loving this iPhone 5.

userds5050 wrote:
I'm wondering if it actually was Craig who posted last night. If it was it proves the point about the iPhone and conspicuous consumption. "You're jealous" "You wish you had £700 to spend on a phone." It also goes along way to explaining why people choose to queue overnight. You don't get it with people who buy Samsung ect... Also it's normally just the illusion of wealth. The guy works in a care home.

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

userds5050 wrote:
I'm wondering if it actually was Craig who posted last night. If it was it proves the point about the iPhone and conspicuous consumption. "You're jealous" "You wish you had £700 to spend on a phone." It also goes along way to explaining why people choose to queue overnight. You don't get it with people who buy Samsung ect... Also it's normally just the illusion of wealth. The guy works in a care home.

I'd rather spend £300 to £400 less on a top of the range sony ericsson running android than up to £700 on an Iturd.

userds5050 wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

userds5050 wrote:
I'm wondering if it actually was Craig who posted last night. If it was it proves the point about the iPhone and conspicuous consumption. "You're jealous" "You wish you had £700 to spend on a phone." It also goes along way to explaining why people choose to queue overnight. You don't get it with people who buy Samsung ect... Also it's normally just the illusion of wealth. The guy works in a care home.

I'd rather spend £300 to £400 less on a top of the range sony ericsson running android than up to £700 on an Iturd.

I agree with some of your comments. They've cut the price of the iPod touch 4th gen to around £140. It's got the retina display, iOS 6 etc... There's pleny of wifi signals about too. The plus point with apple developing their own OS though is they control updates. The problem with Sony and Samsung using Android is they have no control over the latest ice cream, jelly bean sandwich.

Linesman wrote:

Georgem wrote:

Linesman wrote:
There must be plenty of money about despite the double-dip recession.

Of course there is. Not everyone's destitute.

Your right. Some are Bankers and many more belong to the W fraternity.

Georgem wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Georgem wrote:

Linesman wrote:
There must be plenty of money about despite the double-dip recession.

Of course there is. Not everyone's destitute.

Your right. Some are Bankers and many more belong to the W fraternity.

I see. So we are now all either zillionaires, or paupers. Nothing in between.

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

Peg 85 wrote:
Hi, I'm Craig Powell.

I can't work out what all the jealous people that have a problem with people like me queuing! They wish they had £700 to spend.
Apple do the best products full stop. So stop slagging me off. Laters!
Ps: I'm loving this iPhone 5.

The iphone is just a stupid ipod touch with a mobile phone antenna squeezed in before they double the price, at least android powered devices were MADE for purpose, not adapted from some other piece of junk the companies make.

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

userds5050 wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

jojotgirl wrote:

suenami71 wrote:

sotonwinch09 wrote:
I have an iPhone 4 which I use for a work phone and galaxy S3 for personal. The S3 is so much better than the iPhone, I seriously don't get how these people buy into a product so easily like sheep.

I agree with you .. I have a galaxy ace 2, I love it and it costs me £25 a month less than an iPhone would with the same services.. Its a shame that people can get sucked into the advertising hype and end up being sheep

I have an i phone 4s and I love it, love , love it and it costs me £10 month inc vat...............sh




eep, my bum. Everyone is allowed to like what they like. That you like the cheapo, half hearted imitation is good for you! lol

Android isn't a cheapo imitation, apple is an expensive imitation.

Android isn't a phone. It's an open source operating system used by some phone makers. Apple manufacture their phones as well as developing their own OS. Samsung (they make phones) can not say the same thing and rely on a third party (Google) to write theirs. So who's the imitator again?

Apple, they try saying they did this and that first when they never did, about the only thing they did first was use gorilla glass on ther 1st gen iphone, the intergrated battery had been done already, the "apps" idea had already been done, the idea for siri came from a phone that had a keypad, the touchscreen had already been done, they pretended they invented earphones, let's be honest, all you can say about iphones is, that they're allready overpriced ipod touches that have the antenna used in other phones squeezed into them and then overpriced even further by another £200, why pay between £529 £700 for something you won't use all the features of? It's stupid.

userds5050 wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

userds5050 wrote:
I'm wondering if it actually was Craig who posted last night. If it was it proves the point about the iPhone and conspicuous consumption. "You're jealous" "You wish you had £700 to spend on a phone." It also goes along way to explaining why people choose to queue overnight. You don't get it with people who buy Samsung ect... Also it's normally just the illusion of wealth. The guy works in a care home.

I'd rather spend £300 to £400 less on a top of the range sony ericsson running android than up to £700 on an Iturd.

I agree with some of your comments. They've cut the price of the iPod touch 4th gen to around £140. It's got the retina display, iOS 6 etc... There's pleny of wifi signals about too. The plus point with apple developing their own OS though is they control updates. The problem with Sony and Samsung using Android is they have no control over the latest ice cream, jelly bean sandwich.

Georgem wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

userds5050 wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

jojotgirl wrote:

suenami71 wrote:

sotonwinch09 wrote:
I have an iPhone 4 which I use for a work phone and galaxy S3 for personal. The S3 is so much better than the iPhone, I seriously don't get how these people buy into a product so easily like sheep.

I agree with you .. I have a galaxy ace 2, I love it and it costs me £25 a month less than an iPhone would with the same services.. Its a shame that people can get sucked into the advertising hype and end up being sheep

I have an i phone 4s and I love it, love , love it and it costs me £10 month inc vat...............sh





eep, my bum. Everyone is allowed to like what they like. That you like the cheapo, half hearted imitation is good for you! lol

Android isn't a cheapo imitation, apple is an expensive imitation.

Android isn't a phone. It's an open source operating system used by some phone makers. Apple manufacture their phones as well as developing their own OS. Samsung (they make phones) can not say the same thing and rely on a third party (Google) to write theirs. So who's the imitator again?

Apple, they try saying they did this and that first when they never did, about the only thing they did first was use gorilla glass on ther 1st gen iphone, the intergrated battery had been done already, the "apps" idea had already been done, the idea for siri came from a phone that had a keypad, the touchscreen had already been done, they pretended they invented earphones, let's be honest, all you can say about iphones is, that they're allready overpriced ipod touches that have the antenna used in other phones squeezed into them and then overpriced even further by another £200, why pay between £529 £700 for something you won't use all the features of? It's stupid.

Let's face it, all you can say about iPhones is, they memory-manage apps properly so they're not all constantly draining your battery, hogging memory and using your data allowance without asking.

Oops. Did I bring actual owner experience, as opposed to meaningless numbers on spec sheet into the equation? Sorry.

Georgem wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

Peg 85 wrote:
Hi, I'm Craig Powell.

I can't work out what all the jealous people that have a problem with people like me queuing! They wish they had £700 to spend.
Apple do the best products full stop. So stop slagging me off. Laters!
Ps: I'm loving this iPhone 5.

The iphone is just a stupid ipod touch with a mobile phone antenna squeezed in before they double the price, at least android powered devices were MADE for purpose, not adapted from some other piece of junk the companies make.

Bully for you. You bought a competing product. Quite why you feel the need to slag of anyone who makes a different choice is beyond me.

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

Georgem wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

userds5050 wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

jojotgirl wrote:

suenami71 wrote:

sotonwinch09 wrote:
I have an iPhone 4 which I use for a work phone and galaxy S3 for personal. The S3 is so much better than the iPhone, I seriously don't get how these people buy into a product so easily like sheep.

I agree with you .. I have a galaxy ace 2, I love it and it costs me £25 a month less than an iPhone would with the same services.. Its a shame that people can get sucked into the advertising hype and end up being sheep

I have an i phone 4s and I love it, love , love it and it costs me £10 month inc vat...............sh






eep, my bum. Everyone is allowed to like what they like. That you like the cheapo, half hearted imitation is good for you! lol

Android isn't a cheapo imitation, apple is an expensive imitation.

Android isn't a phone. It's an open source operating system used by some phone makers. Apple manufacture their phones as well as developing their own OS. Samsung (they make phones) can not say the same thing and rely on a third party (Google) to write theirs. So who's the imitator again?

Apple, they try saying they did this and that first when they never did, about the only thing they did first was use gorilla glass on ther 1st gen iphone, the intergrated battery had been done already, the "apps" idea had already been done, the idea for siri came from a phone that had a keypad, the touchscreen had already been done, they pretended they invented earphones, let's be honest, all you can say about iphones is, that they're allready overpriced ipod touches that have the antenna used in other phones squeezed into them and then overpriced even further by another £200, why pay between £529 £700 for something you won't use all the features of? It's stupid.

Let's face it, all you can say about iPhones is, they memory-manage apps properly so they're not all constantly draining your battery, hogging memory and using your data allowance without asking.

Oops. Did I bring actual owner experience, as opposed to meaningless numbers on spec sheet into the equation? Sorry.

I'm sorry but really, open source programming is the way to go because it's actually the END user who provides feedback to improve the software, not a bunch of people in lab coats who THINK they know what EVERYONE wants, open source allows developers to really get to know what their customers want and considering the android OS was co-developed by the ones behind the open source computer OS called linux, it means it already has a huge developer base to make constant updates to make android better, with android 2.1 i can do just as much with my phone as I'd be able to if I had an iphone 4S, I even have a program lie siri on it. Oops, did I bring almost 2 years of owner experience opposed to a day since the iphone 5 was released? Sorry bout that.

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

userds5050 wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

userds5050 wrote:
I'm wondering if it actually was Craig who posted last night. If it was it proves the point about the iPhone and conspicuous consumption. "You're jealous" "You wish you had £700 to spend on a phone." It also goes along way to explaining why people choose to queue overnight. You don't get it with people who buy Samsung ect... Also it's normally just the illusion of wealth. The guy works in a care home.

I'd rather spend £300 to £400 less on a top of the range sony ericsson running android than up to £700 on an Iturd.

I agree with some of your comments. They've cut the price of the iPod touch 4th gen to around £140. It's got the retina display, iOS 6 etc... There's pleny of wifi signals about too. The plus point with apple developing their own OS though is they control updates. The problem with Sony and Samsung using Android is they have no control over the latest ice cream, jelly bean sandwich.

True but the one big thing android phones have over the Iphone is the range of choice you have in handsets, with the iphone, you only have 3 choices you can make, black or white, storage space and network provider, with android you can get all sorts of colours, sizes, shapes, cameras, the list is endless, also wifi signals have nothing to do with choice, my £100 android X8 has wifi.

Georgem wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

Georgem wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

userds5050 wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

jojotgirl wrote:

suenami71 wrote:

sotonwinch09 wrote:
I have an iPhone 4 which I use for a work phone and galaxy S3 for personal. The S3 is so much better than the iPhone, I seriously don't get how these people buy into a product so easily like sheep.

I agree with you .. I have a galaxy ace 2, I love it and it costs me £25 a month less than an iPhone would with the same services.. Its a shame that people can get sucked into the advertising hype and end up being sheep

I have an i phone 4s and I love it, love , love it and it costs me £10 month inc vat...............sh







eep, my bum. Everyone is allowed to like what they like. That you like the cheapo, half hearted imitation is good for you! lol

Android isn't a cheapo imitation, apple is an expensive imitation.

Android isn't a phone. It's an open source operating system used by some phone makers. Apple manufacture their phones as well as developing their own OS. Samsung (they make phones) can not say the same thing and rely on a third party (Google) to write theirs. So who's the imitator again?

Apple, they try saying they did this and that first when they never did, about the only thing they did first was use gorilla glass on ther 1st gen iphone, the intergrated battery had been done already, the "apps" idea had already been done, the idea for siri came from a phone that had a keypad, the touchscreen had already been done, they pretended they invented earphones, let's be honest, all you can say about iphones is, that they're allready overpriced ipod touches that have the antenna used in other phones squeezed into them and then overpriced even further by another £200, why pay between £529 £700 for something you won't use all the features of? It's stupid.

Let's face it, all you can say about iPhones is, they memory-manage apps properly so they're not all constantly draining your battery, hogging memory and using your data allowance without asking.

Oops. Did I bring actual owner experience, as opposed to meaningless numbers on spec sheet into the equation? Sorry.

I'm sorry but really, open source programming is the way to go because it's actually the END user who provides feedback to improve the software, not a bunch of people in lab coats who THINK they know what EVERYONE wants, open source allows developers to really get to know what their customers want and considering the android OS was co-developed by the ones behind the open source computer OS called linux, it means it already has a huge developer base to make constant updates to make android better, with android 2.1 i can do just as much with my phone as I'd be able to if I had an iphone 4S, I even have a program lie siri on it. Oops, did I bring almost 2 years of owner experience opposed to a day since the iphone 5 was released? Sorry bout that.

Open source software has nothing whatsoever to do with "end user feedback", and you know nothing about software development lifecycles beyond what you read in an article aimed at laymen. I have forgotten more about software than you will ever know.

Oops, did I bring over a decade of software engineering experience into the equation? Sorry.

> Oops, did I bring almost 2 years of owner experience opposed to a day since the iphone 5 was released?

Lame. The iPhone 5 isn't the first iPhone. The biggest clue to this is the number '5'

Georgem wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

userds5050 wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

userds5050 wrote:
I'm wondering if it actually was Craig who posted last night. If it was it proves the point about the iPhone and conspicuous consumption. "You're jealous" "You wish you had £700 to spend on a phone." It also goes along way to explaining why people choose to queue overnight. You don't get it with people who buy Samsung ect... Also it's normally just the illusion of wealth. The guy works in a care home.

I'd rather spend £300 to £400 less on a top of the range sony ericsson running android than up to £700 on an Iturd.

I agree with some of your comments. They've cut the price of the iPod touch 4th gen to around £140. It's got the retina display, iOS 6 etc... There's pleny of wifi signals about too. The plus point with apple developing their own OS though is they control updates. The problem with Sony and Samsung using Android is they have no control over the latest ice cream, jelly bean sandwich.

True but the one big thing android phones have over the Iphone is the range of choice you have in handsets, with the iphone, you only have 3 choices you can make, black or white, storage space and network provider, with android you can get all sorts of colours, sizes, shapes, cameras, the list is endless, also wifi signals have nothing to do with choice, my £100 android X8 has wifi.

Variety of choice is indeed an advantage the Android market has. Can't argue with that. This is both good and bad, though. It's good for reasons you list. Choice is a good thing. It's also bad, though, because the massive range of devices running different versions of the OS, and the browser, cause problems for app developers. So you'll find there are apps that simply don't work on all Android devices, because no app developer has all handsets available to test on.

Similarly, web developers can't be sure their webapps render properly on all Android devices. The smaller range of iOS devices is a big win in that respect.

Think I'm talking rubbish? I was hired by O2 for a while, to work on this exact problem on their webshop. We had every major handset on the market to play with. Getting something working properly on an iPhone was a doddle. Android was a massive pain, cos what worked ok on one handset would not lay out properly on another. They weren't the worst culprit, though. That honour goes to Blackberry, whose browsers don't work consistently even between slightly older and slightly newer versions of identical handsets. Urgh.

100%HANTSBOY wrote:
I watch the lads at work playing with their iphones all day and wasting company time and money...the one thing I've noticed though,is that when it comes to using it as a phone,it's completely sh1t.
What is retina display,is that a fancy term for screen?

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

Georgem wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

Georgem wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

userds5050 wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

jojotgirl wrote:

suenami71 wrote:

sotonwinch09 wrote:
I have an iPhone 4 which I use for a work phone and galaxy S3 for personal. The S3 is so much better than the iPhone, I seriously don't get how these people buy into a product so easily like sheep.

I agree with you .. I have a galaxy ace 2, I love it and it costs me £25 a month less than an iPhone would with the same services.. Its a shame that people can get sucked into the advertising hype and end up being sheep

I have an i phone 4s and I love it, love , love it and it costs me £10 month inc vat...............sh








eep, my bum. Everyone is allowed to like what they like. That you like the cheapo, half hearted imitation is good for you! lol

Android isn't a cheapo imitation, apple is an expensive imitation.

Android isn't a phone. It's an open source operating system used by some phone makers. Apple manufacture their phones as well as developing their own OS. Samsung (they make phones) can not say the same thing and rely on a third party (Google) to write theirs. So who's the imitator again?

Apple, they try saying they did this and that first when they never did, about the only thing they did first was use gorilla glass on ther 1st gen iphone, the intergrated battery had been done already, the "apps" idea had already been done, the idea for siri came from a phone that had a keypad, the touchscreen had already been done, they pretended they invented earphones, let's be honest, all you can say about iphones is, that they're allready overpriced ipod touches that have the antenna used in other phones squeezed into them and then overpriced even further by another £200, why pay between £529 £700 for something you won't use all the features of? It's stupid.

Let's face it, all you can say about iPhones is, they memory-manage apps properly so they're not all constantly draining your battery, hogging memory and using your data allowance without asking.

Oops. Did I bring actual owner experience, as opposed to meaningless numbers on spec sheet into the equation? Sorry.

I'm sorry but really, open source programming is the way to go because it's actually the END user who provides feedback to improve the software, not a bunch of people in lab coats who THINK they know what EVERYONE wants, open source allows developers to really get to know what their customers want and considering the android OS was co-developed by the ones behind the open source computer OS called linux, it means it already has a huge developer base to make constant updates to make android better, with android 2.1 i can do just as much with my phone as I'd be able to if I had an iphone 4S, I even have a program lie siri on it. Oops, did I bring almost 2 years of owner experience opposed to a day since the iphone 5 was released? Sorry bout that.

Open source software has nothing whatsoever to do with "end user feedback", and you know nothing about software development lifecycles beyond what you read in an article aimed at laymen. I have forgotten more about software than you will ever know.

Oops, did I bring over a decade of software engineering experience into the equation? Sorry.

> Oops, did I bring almost 2 years of owner experience opposed to a day since the iphone 5 was released?

Lame. The iPhone 5 isn't the first iPhone. The biggest clue to this is the number '5'

Actually everything I know about hardware and software is what my dad has taught me and he has been working with computers and learning about them since long before the internet was invented and open source has everything to do with end user feedback, mozilla firefox is an open source web browser that relies on user feedback and feedback from alpha and beta testers and i may not know everything about software development cycles but I know enough and you don't say, the iphone 5 really wasn't the first iphone? Did I even mention that it was? Also in a different quote I actually refer to the first iphone which was the only model to feature gorilla glass, each model afterwards hasn't featured gorilla glass but as I was saying, because android is open source, it can have bugs fixed through google reading through user feedback reports and are then able to start on a update or patch to fix the bug ASAP whereas the IOS only gets updated with each new handset but to use the new IOS version you have to buy the new handset, on more recent android phones, you can upgrade from the old OS on the same phone to a newer OS version for the specific handset for free.

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

Georgem wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

userds5050 wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

userds5050 wrote:
I'm wondering if it actually was Craig who posted last night. If it was it proves the point about the iPhone and conspicuous consumption. "You're jealous" "You wish you had £700 to spend on a phone." It also goes along way to explaining why people choose to queue overnight. You don't get it with people who buy Samsung ect... Also it's normally just the illusion of wealth. The guy works in a care home.

I'd rather spend £300 to £400 less on a top of the range sony ericsson running android than up to £700 on an Iturd.

I agree with some of your comments. They've cut the price of the iPod touch 4th gen to around £140. It's got the retina display, iOS 6 etc... There's pleny of wifi signals about too. The plus point with apple developing their own OS though is they control updates. The problem with Sony and Samsung using Android is they have no control over the latest ice cream, jelly bean sandwich.

True but the one big thing android phones have over the Iphone is the range of choice you have in handsets, with the iphone, you only have 3 choices you can make, black or white, storage space and network provider, with android you can get all sorts of colours, sizes, shapes, cameras, the list is endless, also wifi signals have nothing to do with choice, my £100 android X8 has wifi.

Variety of choice is indeed an advantage the Android market has. Can't argue with that. This is both good and bad, though. It's good for reasons you list. Choice is a good thing. It's also bad, though, because the massive range of devices running different versions of the OS, and the browser, cause problems for app developers. So you'll find there are apps that simply don't work on all Android devices, because no app developer has all handsets available to test on.

Similarly, web developers can't be sure their webapps render properly on all Android devices. The smaller range of iOS devices is a big win in that respect.

Think I'm talking rubbish? I was hired by O2 for a while, to work on this exact problem on their webshop. We had every major handset on the market to play with. Getting something working properly on an iPhone was a doddle. Android was a massive pain, cos what worked ok on one handset would not lay out properly on another. They weren't the worst culprit, though. That honour goes to Blackberry, whose browsers don't work consistently even between slightly older and slightly newer versions of identical handsets. Urgh.

Oh no, I can believe you about slight handset differences causing problems but it's the difference in OS versions that cause the biggest headache, am I right? In which case it is the reason that most app and webapp developers choose to develop from a specific OS version to the latest one or only develop for the latest version but I do agree with you about blackberry devices, they are trying to play football with a lump of concrete, impossible, I've also heard a lot of bad things about models using a track ball in the position of where old D-pads would be, one person I knew had to replace the trackball component 4 times in 2 months before they decided to ditch it, another person I know had to replace theirs a few times too but last time they did it, they used aftermarket parts and not official blackberry parts and had no problems afterwards.

Georgem wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

Georgem wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

userds5050 wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

userds5050 wrote:
I'm wondering if it actually was Craig who posted last night. If it was it proves the point about the iPhone and conspicuous consumption. "You're jealous" "You wish you had £700 to spend on a phone." It also goes along way to explaining why people choose to queue overnight. You don't get it with people who buy Samsung ect... Also it's normally just the illusion of wealth. The guy works in a care home.

I'd rather spend £300 to £400 less on a top of the range sony ericsson running android than up to £700 on an Iturd.

I agree with some of your comments. They've cut the price of the iPod touch 4th gen to around £140. It's got the retina display, iOS 6 etc... There's pleny of wifi signals about too. The plus point with apple developing their own OS though is they control updates. The problem with Sony and Samsung using Android is they have no control over the latest ice cream, jelly bean sandwich.

True but the one big thing android phones have over the Iphone is the range of choice you have in handsets, with the iphone, you only have 3 choices you can make, black or white, storage space and network provider, with android you can get all sorts of colours, sizes, shapes, cameras, the list is endless, also wifi signals have nothing to do with choice, my £100 android X8 has wifi.

Variety of choice is indeed an advantage the Android market has. Can't argue with that. This is both good and bad, though. It's good for reasons you list. Choice is a good thing. It's also bad, though, because the massive range of devices running different versions of the OS, and the browser, cause problems for app developers. So you'll find there are apps that simply don't work on all Android devices, because no app developer has all handsets available to test on.

Similarly, web developers can't be sure their webapps render properly on all Android devices. The smaller range of iOS devices is a big win in that respect.

Think I'm talking rubbish? I was hired by O2 for a while, to work on this exact problem on their webshop. We had every major handset on the market to play with. Getting something working properly on an iPhone was a doddle. Android was a massive pain, cos what worked ok on one handset would not lay out properly on another. They weren't the worst culprit, though. That honour goes to Blackberry, whose browsers don't work consistently even between slightly older and slightly newer versions of identical handsets. Urgh.

Oh no, I can believe you about slight handset differences causing problems but it's the difference in OS versions that cause the biggest headache, am I right? In which case it is the reason that most app and webapp developers choose to develop from a specific OS version to the latest one or only develop for the latest version but I do agree with you about blackberry devices, they are trying to play football with a lump of concrete, impossible, I've also heard a lot of bad things about models using a track ball in the position of where old D-pads would be, one person I knew had to replace the trackball component 4 times in 2 months before they decided to ditch it, another person I know had to replace theirs a few times too but last time they did it, they used aftermarket parts and not official blackberry parts and had no problems afterwards.

Yes it's OS versioning that causes the variation. That's the point. The massive array of choice in the Android world suffers from the problem, precisely because of the huge choice available. I know people who have bought apps for their Android phone, and found they simply don't work. If you've got a relatively recent iPhone, that's simply not a problem you'll ever encounter.

Does this matter? It depends entirely on the individual. That's the bottom line. There's no definitive answer to the iOS vs Android question. It's too complex for there to be any definitive "this is definitely better" answer, just as there's no single answer to "what's the best car in the world?"

Apple excel at usability. Their UX is the envy of the entire tech world. Any time a competing product "wins", it'll be down to something other than usability. Nobody spends as much time making their tech devices as usable as Apple do. That's what wins the smartphone war for me. I choose Apple computers for different reasons, but smartphones and tablets, it's the UX, hands-down. If it other aspects persuade other people to use something else, that's up to them. They're not idiots for it. The idiots are the people who boycott Apple for ridiculous things like working conditions in their factories, or on one single corner aspect, like "Oh, no Flash!", or are swayed by reverse-fanboy arguments.

userds5050 wrote:
Some interesting points. A good example of devs having problems with android is the Sky go app. It took them 6 months to upgrade to Ice cream sandwich and still only works on a few phones. I do think apple have taken their eye off the ball in terms of computers though. Lion and Mountain lion have been dissapointing. I also don't think people are too bothered about synching all their devices. but hey what do I know.

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

Georgem wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

Georgem wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

userds5050 wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

userds5050 wrote:
I'm wondering if it actually was Craig who posted last night. If it was it proves the point about the iPhone and conspicuous consumption. "You're jealous" "You wish you had £700 to spend on a phone." It also goes along way to explaining why people choose to queue overnight. You don't get it with people who buy Samsung ect... Also it's normally just the illusion of wealth. The guy works in a care home.

I'd rather spend £300 to £400 less on a top of the range sony ericsson running android than up to £700 on an Iturd.

I agree with some of your comments. They've cut the price of the iPod touch 4th gen to around £140. It's got the retina display, iOS 6 etc... There's pleny of wifi signals about too. The plus point with apple developing their own OS though is they control updates. The problem with Sony and Samsung using Android is they have no control over the latest ice cream, jelly bean sandwich.

True but the one big thing android phones have over the Iphone is the range of choice you have in handsets, with the iphone, you only have 3 choices you can make, black or white, storage space and network provider, with android you can get all sorts of colours, sizes, shapes, cameras, the list is endless, also wifi signals have nothing to do with choice, my £100 android X8 has wifi.

Variety of choice is indeed an advantage the Android market has. Can't argue with that. This is both good and bad, though. It's good for reasons you list. Choice is a good thing. It's also bad, though, because the massive range of devices running different versions of the OS, and the browser, cause problems for app developers. So you'll find there are apps that simply don't work on all Android devices, because no app developer has all handsets available to test on.

Similarly, web developers can't be sure their webapps render properly on all Android devices. The smaller range of iOS devices is a big win in that respect.

Think I'm talking rubbish? I was hired by O2 for a while, to work on this exact problem on their webshop. We had every major handset on the market to play with. Getting something working properly on an iPhone was a doddle. Android was a massive pain, cos what worked ok on one handset would not lay out properly on another. They weren't the worst culprit, though. That honour goes to Blackberry, whose browsers don't work consistently even between slightly older and slightly newer versions of identical handsets. Urgh.

Oh no, I can believe you about slight handset differences causing problems but it's the difference in OS versions that cause the biggest headache, am I right? In which case it is the reason that most app and webapp developers choose to develop from a specific OS version to the latest one or only develop for the latest version but I do agree with you about blackberry devices, they are trying to play football with a lump of concrete, impossible, I've also heard a lot of bad things about models using a track ball in the position of where old D-pads would be, one person I knew had to replace the trackball component 4 times in 2 months before they decided to ditch it, another person I know had to replace theirs a few times too but last time they did it, they used aftermarket parts and not official blackberry parts and had no problems afterwards.

Yes it's OS versioning that causes the variation. That's the point. The massive array of choice in the Android world suffers from the problem, precisely because of the huge choice available. I know people who have bought apps for their Android phone, and found they simply don't work. If you've got a relatively recent iPhone, that's simply not a problem you'll ever encounter.

Does this matter? It depends entirely on the individual. That's the bottom line. There's no definitive answer to the iOS vs Android question. It's too complex for there to be any definitive "this is definitely better" answer, just as there's no single answer to "what's the best car in the world?"

Apple excel at usability. Their UX is the envy of the entire tech world. Any time a competing product "wins", it'll be down to something other than usability. Nobody spends as much time making their tech devices as usable as Apple do. That's what wins the smartphone war for me. I choose Apple computers for different reasons, but smartphones and tablets, it's the UX, hands-down. If it other aspects persuade other people to use something else, that's up to them. They're not idiots for it. The idiots are the people who boycott Apple for ridiculous things like working conditions in their factories, or on one single corner aspect, like "Oh, no Flash!", or are swayed by reverse-fanboy arguments.

To be honest, the fact iphones don't support flash is a big thing for me because I watch a lot of videos on sites other than youtube and to me, the usability on android and IOS have very little difference, the other thing that makes android win me over is the upgrade-ability of the devices, some like the iphone, come with 16Gb built in but all android devices have expandable memory, some can even take a full 64Gb SD/micro SD card and the combined cost is still a fraction of the iphones cost, besides, did you know that it costs apple less than £250 to produce each iphone including software and packaging? That makes the retail price an incredible 200% to 300% mark up, sure they have to make a profit but that sort of mark up to sale price is absurd. Anyway, I think I'll root my X8 later to install android 2.3, even though sony claim it won't run it despite the fact that people have proven it can run it.

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

Georgem wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

Georgem wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

userds5050 wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

userds5050 wrote:
I'm wondering if it actually was Craig who posted last night. If it was it proves the point about the iPhone and conspicuous consumption. "You're jealous" "You wish you had £700 to spend on a phone." It also goes along way to explaining why people choose to queue overnight. You don't get it with people who buy Samsung ect... Also it's normally just the illusion of wealth. The guy works in a care home.

I'd rather spend £300 to £400 less on a top of the range sony ericsson running android than up to £700 on an Iturd.

I agree with some of your comments. They've cut the price of the iPod touch 4th gen to around £140. It's got the retina display, iOS 6 etc... There's pleny of wifi signals about too. The plus point with apple developing their own OS though is they control updates. The problem with Sony and Samsung using Android is they have no control over the latest ice cream, jelly bean sandwich.

True but the one big thing android phones have over the Iphone is the range of choice you have in handsets, with the iphone, you only have 3 choices you can make, black or white, storage space and network provider, with android you can get all sorts of colours, sizes, shapes, cameras, the list is endless, also wifi signals have nothing to do with choice, my £100 android X8 has wifi.

Variety of choice is indeed an advantage the Android market has. Can't argue with that. This is both good and bad, though. It's good for reasons you list. Choice is a good thing. It's also bad, though, because the massive range of devices running different versions of the OS, and the browser, cause problems for app developers. So you'll find there are apps that simply don't work on all Android devices, because no app developer has all handsets available to test on.

Similarly, web developers can't be sure their webapps render properly on all Android devices. The smaller range of iOS devices is a big win in that respect.

Think I'm talking rubbish? I was hired by O2 for a while, to work on this exact problem on their webshop. We had every major handset on the market to play with. Getting something working properly on an iPhone was a doddle. Android was a massive pain, cos what worked ok on one handset would not lay out properly on another. They weren't the worst culprit, though. That honour goes to Blackberry, whose browsers don't work consistently even between slightly older and slightly newer versions of identical handsets. Urgh.

Oh no, I can believe you about slight handset differences causing problems but it's the difference in OS versions that cause the biggest headache, am I right? In which case it is the reason that most app and webapp developers choose to develop from a specific OS version to the latest one or only develop for the latest version but I do agree with you about blackberry devices, they are trying to play football with a lump of concrete, impossible, I've also heard a lot of bad things about models using a track ball in the position of where old D-pads would be, one person I knew had to replace the trackball component 4 times in 2 months before they decided to ditch it, another person I know had to replace theirs a few times too but last time they did it, they used aftermarket parts and not official blackberry parts and had no problems afterwards.

Yes it's OS versioning that causes the variation. That's the point. The massive array of choice in the Android world suffers from the problem, precisely because of the huge choice available. I know people who have bought apps for their Android phone, and found they simply don't work. If you've got a relatively recent iPhone, that's simply not a problem you'll ever encounter.

Does this matter? It depends entirely on the individual. That's the bottom line. There's no definitive answer to the iOS vs Android question. It's too complex for there to be any definitive "this is definitely better" answer, just as there's no single answer to "what's the best car in the world?"

Apple excel at usability. Their UX is the envy of the entire tech world. Any time a competing product "wins", it'll be down to something other than usability. Nobody spends as much time making their tech devices as usable as Apple do. That's what wins the smartphone war for me. I choose Apple computers for different reasons, but smartphones and tablets, it's the UX, hands-down. If it other aspects persuade other people to use something else, that's up to them. They're not idiots for it. The idiots are the people who boycott Apple for ridiculous things like working conditions in their factories, or on one single corner aspect, like "Oh, no Flash!", or are swayed by reverse-fanboy arguments.

To be honest, the fact iphones don't support flash is a big thing for me because I watch a lot of videos on sites other than youtube and to me, the usability on android and IOS have very little difference, the other thing that makes android win me over is the upgrade-ability of the devices, some like the iphone, come with 16Gb built in but all android devices have expandable memory, some can even take a full 64Gb SD/micro SD card and the combined cost is still a fraction of the iphones cost, besides, did you know that it costs apple less than £250 to produce each iphone including software and packaging? That makes the retail price an incredible 200% to 300% mark up, sure they have to make a profit but that sort of mark up to sale price is absurd. Anyway, I think I'll root my X8 later to install android 2.3, even though sony claim it won't run it despite the fact that people have proven it can run it.

Georgem wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

Georgem wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

Georgem wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

userds5050 wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

userds5050 wrote:
I'm wondering if it actually was Craig who posted last night. If it was it proves the point about the iPhone and conspicuous consumption. "You're jealous" "You wish you had £700 to spend on a phone." It also goes along way to explaining why people choose to queue overnight. You don't get it with people who buy Samsung ect... Also it's normally just the illusion of wealth. The guy works in a care home.

I'd rather spend £300 to £400 less on a top of the range sony ericsson running android than up to £700 on an Iturd.

I agree with some of your comments. They've cut the price of the iPod touch 4th gen to around £140. It's got the retina display, iOS 6 etc... There's pleny of wifi signals about too. The plus point with apple developing their own OS though is they control updates. The problem with Sony and Samsung using Android is they have no control over the latest ice cream, jelly bean sandwich.

True but the one big thing android phones have over the Iphone is the range of choice you have in handsets, with the iphone, you only have 3 choices you can make, black or white, storage space and network provider, with android you can get all sorts of colours, sizes, shapes, cameras, the list is endless, also wifi signals have nothing to do with choice, my £100 android X8 has wifi.

Variety of choice is indeed an advantage the Android market has. Can't argue with that. This is both good and bad, though. It's good for reasons you list. Choice is a good thing. It's also bad, though, because the massive range of devices running different versions of the OS, and the browser, cause problems for app developers. So you'll find there are apps that simply don't work on all Android devices, because no app developer has all handsets available to test on.

Similarly, web developers can't be sure their webapps render properly on all Android devices. The smaller range of iOS devices is a big win in that respect.

Think I'm talking rubbish? I was hired by O2 for a while, to work on this exact problem on their webshop. We had every major handset on the market to play with. Getting something working properly on an iPhone was a doddle. Android was a massive pain, cos what worked ok on one handset would not lay out properly on another. They weren't the worst culprit, though. That honour goes to Blackberry, whose browsers don't work consistently even between slightly older and slightly newer versions of identical handsets. Urgh.

Oh no, I can believe you about slight handset differences causing problems but it's the difference in OS versions that cause the biggest headache, am I right? In which case it is the reason that most app and webapp developers choose to develop from a specific OS version to the latest one or only develop for the latest version but I do agree with you about blackberry devices, they are trying to play football with a lump of concrete, impossible, I've also heard a lot of bad things about models using a track ball in the position of where old D-pads would be, one person I knew had to replace the trackball component 4 times in 2 months before they decided to ditch it, another person I know had to replace theirs a few times too but last time they did it, they used aftermarket parts and not official blackberry parts and had no problems afterwards.

Yes it's OS versioning that causes the variation. That's the point. The massive array of choice in the Android world suffers from the problem, precisely because of the huge choice available. I know people who have bought apps for their Android phone, and found they simply don't work. If you've got a relatively recent iPhone, that's simply not a problem you'll ever encounter.

Does this matter? It depends entirely on the individual. That's the bottom line. There's no definitive answer to the iOS vs Android question. It's too complex for there to be any definitive "this is definitely better" answer, just as there's no single answer to "what's the best car in the world?"

Apple excel at usability. Their UX is the envy of the entire tech world. Any time a competing product "wins", it'll be down to something other than usability. Nobody spends as much time making their tech devices as usable as Apple do. That's what wins the smartphone war for me. I choose Apple computers for different reasons, but smartphones and tablets, it's the UX, hands-down. If it other aspects persuade other people to use something else, that's up to them. They're not idiots for it. The idiots are the people who boycott Apple for ridiculous things like working conditions in their factories, or on one single corner aspect, like "Oh, no Flash!", or are swayed by reverse-fanboy arguments.

To be honest, the fact iphones don't support flash is a big thing for me because I watch a lot of videos on sites other than youtube and to me, the usability on android and IOS have very little difference, the other thing that makes android win me over is the upgrade-ability of the devices, some like the iphone, come with 16Gb built in but all android devices have expandable memory, some can even take a full 64Gb SD/micro SD card and the combined cost is still a fraction of the iphones cost, besides, did you know that it costs apple less than £250 to produce each iphone including software and packaging? That makes the retail price an incredible 200% to 300% mark up, sure they have to make a profit but that sort of mark up to sale price is absurd. Anyway, I think I'll root my X8 later to install android 2.3, even though sony claim it won't run it despite the fact that people have proven it can run it.

The bigger problem is, of course, that Flash still exists. It's got too much of a stronghold on the web, for a proprietary product. Apple are actually doing the world a favour by not supporting Flash. It's forcing the world to cut the apron strings that are tied to Flash, because regardless of what anybody here thinks, iOS devices are massive, and companies simply can't afford to disregard them. The result? Less dependence of Flash.

Georgem wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

Georgem wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

Georgem wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

userds5050 wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

userds5050 wrote:
I'm wondering if it actually was Craig who posted last night. If it was it proves the point about the iPhone and conspicuous consumption. "You're jealous" "You wish you had £700 to spend on a phone." It also goes along way to explaining why people choose to queue overnight. You don't get it with people who buy Samsung ect... Also it's normally just the illusion of wealth. The guy works in a care home.

I'd rather spend £300 to £400 less on a top of the range sony ericsson running android than up to £700 on an Iturd.

I agree with some of your comments. They've cut the price of the iPod touch 4th gen to around £140. It's got the retina display, iOS 6 etc... There's pleny of wifi signals about too. The plus point with apple developing their own OS though is they control updates. The problem with Sony and Samsung using Android is they have no control over the latest ice cream, jelly bean sandwich.

True but the one big thing android phones have over the Iphone is the range of choice you have in handsets, with the iphone, you only have 3 choices you can make, black or white, storage space and network provider, with android you can get all sorts of colours, sizes, shapes, cameras, the list is endless, also wifi signals have nothing to do with choice, my £100 android X8 has wifi.

Variety of choice is indeed an advantage the Android market has. Can't argue with that. This is both good and bad, though. It's good for reasons you list. Choice is a good thing. It's also bad, though, because the massive range of devices running different versions of the OS, and the browser, cause problems for app developers. So you'll find there are apps that simply don't work on all Android devices, because no app developer has all handsets available to test on.

Similarly, web developers can't be sure their webapps render properly on all Android devices. The smaller range of iOS devices is a big win in that respect.

Think I'm talking rubbish? I was hired by O2 for a while, to work on this exact problem on their webshop. We had every major handset on the market to play with. Getting something working properly on an iPhone was a doddle. Android was a massive pain, cos what worked ok on one handset would not lay out properly on another. They weren't the worst culprit, though. That honour goes to Blackberry, whose browsers don't work consistently even between slightly older and slightly newer versions of identical handsets. Urgh.

Oh no, I can believe you about slight handset differences causing problems but it's the difference in OS versions that cause the biggest headache, am I right? In which case it is the reason that most app and webapp developers choose to develop from a specific OS version to the latest one or only develop for the latest version but I do agree with you about blackberry devices, they are trying to play football with a lump of concrete, impossible, I've also heard a lot of bad things about models using a track ball in the position of where old D-pads would be, one person I knew had to replace the trackball component 4 times in 2 months before they decided to ditch it, another person I know had to replace theirs a few times too but last time they did it, they used aftermarket parts and not official blackberry parts and had no problems afterwards.

Yes it's OS versioning that causes the variation. That's the point. The massive array of choice in the Android world suffers from the problem, precisely because of the huge choice available. I know people who have bought apps for their Android phone, and found they simply don't work. If you've got a relatively recent iPhone, that's simply not a problem you'll ever encounter.

Does this matter? It depends entirely on the individual. That's the bottom line. There's no definitive answer to the iOS vs Android question. It's too complex for there to be any definitive "this is definitely better" answer, just as there's no single answer to "what's the best car in the world?"

Apple excel at usability. Their UX is the envy of the entire tech world. Any time a competing product "wins", it'll be down to something other than usability. Nobody spends as much time making their tech devices as usable as Apple do. That's what wins the smartphone war for me. I choose Apple computers for different reasons, but smartphones and tablets, it's the UX, hands-down. If it other aspects persuade other people to use something else, that's up to them. They're not idiots for it. The idiots are the people who boycott Apple for ridiculous things like working conditions in their factories, or on one single corner aspect, like "Oh, no Flash!", or are swayed by reverse-fanboy arguments.

To be honest, the fact iphones don't support flash is a big thing for me because I watch a lot of videos on sites other than youtube and to me, the usability on android and IOS have very little difference, the other thing that makes android win me over is the upgrade-ability of the devices, some like the iphone, come with 16Gb built in but all android devices have expandable memory, some can even take a full 64Gb SD/micro SD card and the combined cost is still a fraction of the iphones cost, besides, did you know that it costs apple less than £250 to produce each iphone including software and packaging? That makes the retail price an incredible 200% to 300% mark up, sure they have to make a profit but that sort of mark up to sale price is absurd. Anyway, I think I'll root my X8 later to install android 2.3, even though sony claim it won't run it despite the fact that people have proven it can run it.

The bigger problem is, of course, that Flash still exists. It's got too much of a stronghold on the web, for a proprietary product. Apple are actually doing the world a favour by not supporting Flash. It's forcing the world to cut the apron strings that are tied to Flash, because regardless of what anybody here thinks, iOS devices are massive, and companies simply can't afford to disregard them. The result? Less dependence of Flash.

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I'm wondering if it actually was Craig who posted last night. If it was it proves the point about the iPhone and conspicuous consumption. "You're jealous" "You wish you had £700 to spend on a phone." It also goes along way to explaining why people choose to queue overnight. You don't get it with people who buy Samsung ect... Also it's normally just the illusion of wealth. The guy works in a care home.

I'd rather spend £300 to £400 less on a top of the range sony ericsson running android than up to £700 on an Iturd.

I agree with some of your comments. They've cut the price of the iPod touch 4th gen to around £140. It's got the retina display, iOS 6 etc... There's pleny of wifi signals about too. The plus point with apple developing their own OS though is they control updates. The problem with Sony and Samsung using Android is they have no control over the latest ice cream, jelly bean sandwich.

True but the one big thing android phones have over the Iphone is the range of choice you have in handsets, with the iphone, you only have 3 choices you can make, black or white, storage space and network provider, with android you can get all sorts of colours, sizes, shapes, cameras, the list is endless, also wifi signals have nothing to do with choice, my £100 android X8 has wifi.

Variety of choice is indeed an advantage the Android market has. Can't argue with that. This is both good and bad, though. It's good for reasons you list. Choice is a good thing. It's also bad, though, because the massive range of devices running different versions of the OS, and the browser, cause problems for app developers. So you'll find there are apps that simply don't work on all Android devices, because no app developer has all handsets available to test on.

Similarly, web developers can't be sure their webapps render properly on all Android devices. The smaller range of iOS devices is a big win in that respect.

Think I'm talking rubbish? I was hired by O2 for a while, to work on this exact problem on their webshop. We had every major handset on the market to play with. Getting something working properly on an iPhone was a doddle. Android was a massive pain, cos what worked ok on one handset would not lay out properly on another. They weren't the worst culprit, though. That honour goes to Blackberry, whose browsers don't work consistently even between slightly older and slightly newer versions of identical handsets. Urgh.

Oh no, I can believe you about slight handset differences causing problems but it's the difference in OS versions that cause the biggest headache, am I right? In which case it is the reason that most app and webapp developers choose to develop from a specific OS version to the latest one or only develop for the latest version but I do agree with you about blackberry devices, they are trying to play football with a lump of concrete, impossible, I've also heard a lot of bad things about models using a track ball in the position of where old D-pads would be, one person I knew had to replace the trackball component 4 times in 2 months before they decided to ditch it, another person I know had to replace theirs a few times too but last time they did it, they used aftermarket parts and not official blackberry parts and had no problems afterwards.

Yes it's OS versioning that causes the variation. That's the point. The massive array of choice in the Android world suffers from the problem, precisely because of the huge choice available. I know people who have bought apps for their Android phone, and found they simply don't work. If you've got a relatively recent iPhone, that's simply not a problem you'll ever encounter.

Does this matter? It depends entirely on the individual. That's the bottom line. There's no definitive answer to the iOS vs Android question. It's too complex for there to be any definitive "this is definitely better" answer, just as there's no single answer to "what's the best car in the world?"

Apple excel at usability. Their UX is the envy of the entire tech world. Any time a competing product "wins", it'll be down to something other than usability. Nobody spends as much time making their tech devices as usable as Apple do. That's what wins the smartphone war for me. I choose Apple computers for different reasons, but smartphones and tablets, it's the UX, hands-down. If it other aspects persuade other people to use something else, that's up to them. They're not idiots for it. The idiots are the people who boycott Apple for ridiculous things like working conditions in their factories, or on one single corner aspect, like "Oh, no Flash!", or are swayed by reverse-fanboy arguments.

To be honest, the fact iphones don't support flash is a big thing for me because I watch a lot of videos on sites other than youtube and to me, the usability on android and IOS have very little difference, the other thing that makes android win me over is the upgrade-ability of the devices, some like the iphone, come with 16Gb built in but all android devices have expandable memory, some can even take a full 64Gb SD/micro SD card and the combined cost is still a fraction of the iphones cost, besides, did you know that it costs apple less than £250 to produce each iphone including software and packaging? That makes the retail price an incredible 200% to 300% mark up, sure they have to make a profit but that sort of mark up to sale price is absurd. Anyway, I think I'll root my X8 later to install android 2.3, even though sony claim it won't run it despite the fact that people have proven it can run it.

The bigger problem is, of course, that Flash still exists. It's got too much of a stronghold on the web, for a proprietary product. Apple are actually doing the world a favour by not supporting Flash. It's forcing the world to cut the apron strings that are tied to Flash, because regardless of what anybody here thinks, iOS devices are massive, and companies simply can't afford to disregard them. The result? Less dependence of Flash.

True but in reality, flash will still be around for quite a while yet, as another commenter rightly said, HTML5 will be the new flash but for now flash is still alive and it still has it's teeth in a lot of things, also 99.9% of all websites also use javascript which most devices (other than obvious dinosaurs) can read.