Eastpoint community hub 'will be owned by the people of Thornhill' after it goes bust

Hampshire Chronicle: New twist in saga of failed community hub at Eastpoint New twist in saga of failed community hub at Eastpoint

THE future of a multimillion- pound flagship building took another twist last night.

It has emerged that Southampton’s £10.5m Eastpoint Centre is no longer an asset of the charity that previously ran the troubled conference business, which has now gone bust.

The Daily Echo understands control will revert to the people of Thornhill through charity Plus You Limited (PYL) once the lease is surrendered.

Debbie King, chief executive of PYL, said: “The building will revert to PYL when the lease is surrendered, and that has not legally happened yet. The administrators are still in situ as these transfers do not happen overnight.”

She could not confirm what the building would be used for but confirmed the £6m-plus public money invested would be protected.

She added: “All public money ploughed into that building is actively protected, because the building is coming back to us. We are here to benefit the community but we don’t want to release half-baked information about what will happen.”

PYL board meetings will take place over the coming weeks to make decisions on the building’s future.

Administrators Baker Tilly confirmed they could not sell the building to pay off creditors.

James Prior, of the Southampton branch, said: “It’s a slightly odd situation because the charity built the centre, but it’s on PYL’s land. Due to semantics in the lease it could previously be put in the charity’s accounts as an asset.”

Meanwhile, Baker Tilly confirmed that more than 30 creditors, who they would not identify, are owed more than £150,000, although the figure could change as claims are still being collated.

It comes as staff were reduced to tears when told their jobs had gone at a meeting with Baker Tilly representatives.

Many knew their positions were under threat but some said they only learned of the severity of the situation as recently as Tuesday.

But while some were too upset to speak to the Daily Echo, others reflected on fond times spent with colleagues who became firm friends.

Carol Shakery, Eastpoint deputy director, said: “This charity has been supporting the local community for more than 25 years and we all worked very hard to get this facility here. With it closing in the way it has, the community has lost a fantastic opportunity for a local hub.

“There are a lot of staff here who have done more than they have ever been paid to do to provide some great things for local people over that period of time.”

Former bar worker Jackie Park, 47, of Thornhill, said: “We are gutted for the elderly customers who come here every day.

“I feel so bad for them and all the people who have booked the venue.

“We were a good bunch and worked really well together.”

Staff have been paid up to the end of January. Several qualify for redundancy pay after working there for two or more years, but will have to go through a Government redundancy scheme to recoup what they are owed.

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11:01am Fri 24 Jan 14

sophisticated says...

I thought it was a weird place to put a business centre when it was being built.
No surprises that it has gone bust.
I thought it was a weird place to put a business centre when it was being built. No surprises that it has gone bust. sophisticated

12:30pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Billymac1970 says...

That will be good for the people of Thornhill & surrounding areas to have a proper community centre.
That will be good for the people of Thornhill & surrounding areas to have a proper community centre. Billymac1970

12:34pm Fri 24 Jan 14

loosehead says...

Not being a fan of Labour I hope this Labour council will sit & talk to the residents & put in place local activities & maybe get some local sports clubs(football hockey rugby cricket teams) to use this as a meeting place & maybe a clubhouse to be used by them & all the locals to make it at least break even if not making a small profit.
I hope it can be a great asset to that area
Not being a fan of Labour I hope this Labour council will sit & talk to the residents & put in place local activities & maybe get some local sports clubs(football hockey rugby cricket teams) to use this as a meeting place & maybe a clubhouse to be used by them & all the locals to make it at least break even if not making a small profit. I hope it can be a great asset to that area loosehead

12:47pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

In all fairness Echo has found the identity of the landlord, which is not any private enterprise or nasty individuals but a body created with the help and knowledge of senior Council officers and local councillors, one of which is the Leader of Council Cllr. Simon Letts.

Now if DE should be does bit more digging it may find that East Point charitable organisation served the community well and is the victim of circumstances beyond the control of its management team, most of whom did not get high wages unlike the bosses of PYL.

East Point operation was in two parts. Main aim to provide community facility to local people and subsidising it by making money from Conferences and weddings etc venues and that too at reasonable rates.

That policy was indirectly helping the Council because it escaped responsibility of providing community centre etc to local people, which before East Point were provided by High Town Community School.

Main business side ran into temporary problems, because certain big name building firm could not finish the project on time, and some faulty work that may have knock on effect on the money making business side. But EP still kept on providing cheaper facilities to the community, while having to pay full rent to PYL.

Hence cash flow problems, and requests to PYL for bit of 'rent holiday'. And may even have been request to local Council for help.

So DE should be finding how much local Council senior officers and local ward councillors, Leader of Council is one of those, knew about the problems, and why they did not help.

How come the PYL got hold of such massive assets i.e. land with massive development potential?
Are there any connections between people operating PYL and Council Officers or some Councillors or both?
What is the wage scale of the bosses of PYL?
If and when PYL start providing facilities to local community will Council be contributing anything?
If so why they did not help East Point, which in fact kept on helping the local community for many years, without any financial help from the Council.

Labour run Council under the leadership of Alan Whitehead served Southampton well, including creation of East Point, but sadly now under NuLabour control the same Council with Cllr. Simon Letts it's Leader is busy flushing most of that down the pan.
In all fairness Echo has found the identity of the landlord, which is not any private enterprise or nasty individuals but a body created with the help and knowledge of senior Council officers and local councillors, one of which is the Leader of Council Cllr. Simon Letts. Now if DE should be does bit more digging it may find that East Point charitable organisation served the community well and is the victim of circumstances beyond the control of its management team, most of whom did not get high wages unlike the bosses of PYL. East Point operation was in two parts. Main aim to provide community facility to local people and subsidising it by making money from Conferences and weddings etc venues and that too at reasonable rates. That policy was indirectly helping the Council because it escaped responsibility of providing community centre etc to local people, which before East Point were provided by High Town Community School. Main business side ran into temporary problems, because certain big name building firm could not finish the project on time, and some faulty work that may have knock on effect on the money making business side. But EP still kept on providing cheaper facilities to the community, while having to pay full rent to PYL. Hence cash flow problems, and requests to PYL for bit of 'rent holiday'. And may even have been request to local Council for help. So DE should be finding how much local Council senior officers and local ward councillors, Leader of Council is one of those, knew about the problems, and why they did not help. How come the PYL got hold of such massive assets i.e. land with massive development potential? Are there any connections between people operating PYL and Council Officers or some Councillors or both? What is the wage scale of the bosses of PYL? If and when PYL start providing facilities to local community will Council be contributing anything? If so why they did not help East Point, which in fact kept on helping the local community for many years, without any financial help from the Council. Labour run Council under the leadership of Alan Whitehead served Southampton well, including creation of East Point, but sadly now under NuLabour control the same Council with Cllr. Simon Letts it's Leader is busy flushing most of that down the pan. Paramjit Bahia

1:04pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

loosehead wrote:
Not being a fan of Labour I hope this Labour council will sit & talk to the residents & put in place local activities & maybe get some local sports clubs(football hockey rugby cricket teams) to use this as a meeting place & maybe a clubhouse to be used by them & all the locals to make it at least break even if not making a small profit.
I hope it can be a great asset to that area
You may not be keen on Labour or even NuLabour, which in my view is the unofficial right wing of your Tory Party, but what you are wishing for was exactly why under Alan Whitehead East Point was created.

East Point was providing facilities without any grants from the Council.

You should be speaking to your councillors mates, they may be able to look into why the current lot did not step in to save the East Point and if they have somehow created the situation to help PYL.

There may be much more to this, than you think.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Not being a fan of Labour I hope this Labour council will sit & talk to the residents & put in place local activities & maybe get some local sports clubs(football hockey rugby cricket teams) to use this as a meeting place & maybe a clubhouse to be used by them & all the locals to make it at least break even if not making a small profit. I hope it can be a great asset to that area[/p][/quote]You may not be keen on Labour or even NuLabour, which in my view is the unofficial right wing of your Tory Party, but what you are wishing for was exactly why under Alan Whitehead East Point was created. East Point was providing facilities without any grants from the Council. You should be speaking to your councillors mates, they may be able to look into why the current lot did not step in to save the East Point and if they have somehow created the situation to help PYL. There may be much more to this, than you think. Paramjit Bahia

1:34pm Fri 24 Jan 14

southamptonadi says...

Can't quite work out what the council are getting for their £8 million investment
Can't quite work out what the council are getting for their £8 million investment southamptonadi

1:38pm Fri 24 Jan 14

davel_cats says...

I have always heard that Thornhill, despite sometimes having a bad reputation, is a great place in terms of being community-spirited. Let's hope the PEOPLE of Thornhill can turn this place around.
I have always heard that Thornhill, despite sometimes having a bad reputation, is a great place in terms of being community-spirited. Let's hope the PEOPLE of Thornhill can turn this place around. davel_cats

2:09pm Fri 24 Jan 14

bigfella777 says...

loosehead wrote:
Not being a fan of Labour I hope this Labour council will sit & talk to the residents & put in place local activities & maybe get some local sports clubs(football hockey rugby cricket teams) to use this as a meeting place & maybe a clubhouse to be used by them & all the locals to make it at least break even if not making a small profit.
I hope it can be a great asset to that area
That's what it was used for before???? You obviously have never been there but are an expert as usual.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Not being a fan of Labour I hope this Labour council will sit & talk to the residents & put in place local activities & maybe get some local sports clubs(football hockey rugby cricket teams) to use this as a meeting place & maybe a clubhouse to be used by them & all the locals to make it at least break even if not making a small profit. I hope it can be a great asset to that area[/p][/quote]That's what it was used for before???? You obviously have never been there but are an expert as usual. bigfella777

2:18pm Fri 24 Jan 14

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. says...

can every council estate in southampton have a new 10 million community centre , please,only fair.
can every council estate in southampton have a new 10 million community centre , please,only fair. WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.

3:25pm Fri 24 Jan 14

loosehead says...

bigfella accuses me of being an expert which I have never said I am.
I do not come from Thorhill or even the Itchen side of the city but I do live opposite Lordshill sports centre or as it's called 5 Acres where a sports club is run by Millbrook RUFC.
erven though it's constantly being broken into it survives with two Rugby teams & private functions so why is it Eastpoint couldn't survive?
Conference centre is one source of revenue but you have football teams over there so that could have been another wedding receptions birthday,engagement parties another source of revenue so unless the wages being paid were over the top (Rugby club all volunteers) how could this place not make money?
what/where else in this area is there such as facility? please bear in mind this is just firing questions & ideas at you the local people.
If this was open to the community did you use it?
bigfella accuses me of being an expert which I have never said I am. I do not come from Thorhill or even the Itchen side of the city but I do live opposite Lordshill sports centre or as it's called 5 Acres where a sports club is run by Millbrook RUFC. erven though it's constantly being broken into it survives with two Rugby teams & private functions so why is it Eastpoint couldn't survive? Conference centre is one source of revenue but you have football teams over there so that could have been another wedding receptions birthday,engagement parties another source of revenue so unless the wages being paid were over the top (Rugby club all volunteers) how could this place not make money? what/where else in this area is there such as facility? please bear in mind this is just firing questions & ideas at you the local people. If this was open to the community did you use it? loosehead

3:28pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Outside of the Box says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
In all fairness Echo has found the identity of the landlord, which is not any private enterprise or nasty individuals but a body created with the help and knowledge of senior Council officers and local councillors, one of which is the Leader of Council Cllr. Simon Letts.

Now if DE should be does bit more digging it may find that East Point charitable organisation served the community well and is the victim of circumstances beyond the control of its management team, most of whom did not get high wages unlike the bosses of PYL.

East Point operation was in two parts. Main aim to provide community facility to local people and subsidising it by making money from Conferences and weddings etc venues and that too at reasonable rates.

That policy was indirectly helping the Council because it escaped responsibility of providing community centre etc to local people, which before East Point were provided by High Town Community School.

Main business side ran into temporary problems, because certain big name building firm could not finish the project on time, and some faulty work that may have knock on effect on the money making business side. But EP still kept on providing cheaper facilities to the community, while having to pay full rent to PYL.

Hence cash flow problems, and requests to PYL for bit of 'rent holiday'. And may even have been request to local Council for help.

So DE should be finding how much local Council senior officers and local ward councillors, Leader of Council is one of those, knew about the problems, and why they did not help.

How come the PYL got hold of such massive assets i.e. land with massive development potential?
Are there any connections between people operating PYL and Council Officers or some Councillors or both?
What is the wage scale of the bosses of PYL?
If and when PYL start providing facilities to local community will Council be contributing anything?
If so why they did not help East Point, which in fact kept on helping the local community for many years, without any financial help from the Council.

Labour run Council under the leadership of Alan Whitehead served Southampton well, including creation of East Point, but sadly now under NuLabour control the same Council with Cllr. Simon Letts it's Leader is busy flushing most of that down the pan.
Oh dear Paramjit you seen to be very much mis-informed. The Leader of Council Cllr. Simon Letts was until his appointment to the leadership of Council was in fact the Chair of the Eastpoint Board of Trustees. Cllr Mary Lloyd, was until this week a Trustee of the Eastpoint Board of Directors and both are ward councillors so they were very much aware of the plight of Eastpoint, long before it become public knowledge, Cllr Letts has never had an input into PYL nor has he ever sat on the Board of Trustees of PYL as Ward Councillor or as Leader of the Council.

You seem to be implying that in some way PYL are responsible for the demise of Eastpoint, PYL is a charitable organisation and like Eastpoint did, PYL also serves the community of Thornhill, some would say doing more for the local community than Eastpoint ever did.

Your comment: If and when PYL start providing facilities to local community will Council be contributing anything? Instead of sitting there at your keyboard trying to give out ill informed information and trying to score political points why not come and ask the local residents of Thornhill that are being supported back into workplace by PYL or the parents of children who enjoy healthy activities during school holidays for under a tenner a day being delivered by PYL or the parents and toddler group that is supported by PYL, the older members of a local community club who have support from PYL on a week to week basis, come and speak to those people who use PYL's IT suite free of charge to apply for jobs and inform the council of any changes to circumstances, better still come and speak the pre-school committee that used to rent space at the old Eastpoint Centre but were kicked out by the Eastpoint Board when they moved to the new building, the pre-school are now located in the Hightown Centre community centre funnily enough operated by PYL.

How do you know that PYL didn't give Eastpoint a rent break? The simple answer is you don't know, why don't you do some digging, you might find out that Eastpoint did have a rent break, ask Paul he will tell you, why don't you name Keir Southern as the builder of Eastpoint Centre what the issues are and how much the dispute between them and Eastpoint has cost.

How do you know the salary of the PYL bosses? Again the simple answer is you don't know. If you knew anything you'd know that the PYL bosses are VOLUNTEERS and mostly Thornhill residents with some agency representation and one ward councillor at the table, PYL does have a team of staff (that are paid) PYL's staff team consist of 5 people who work for the people of Thornhill not the council, but you don't have a clue what that team earn, also what you don't know is that every member of that team from the caretaker to the team leader between them gift 100 or more hours work a month for free, yes a fantastic concept, paid workers working for FREE simply because they work for the people of Thornhill and love Thornhill as a community.

PYL is not funded by the council nor has it ever been, so your assumption and that the council contribute to PYL in some way shape or form is utterly wrong, PYL are partners of the Council as were Eastpoint.

Eastpoint did provide cheap local community room hire, they only did that because the PYL Board insisted on that when they agreed to part fund the Eastpoint Board building of the new Eastpoint Centre, oh yes I forgot to mention Paul Bennett sat on the PYL Board as a partner, so when the Eastpoint Board took the Thornhill communities money (£6 million) they knew full well what they were signing up to, they knew full well what would happen if their business plan didn't stack up, yes the community has lost an asset but the really sad thing is that 23 people lost their jobs on Wednesday afternoon.

I will ask you this Paramjit, Guess who some of 23 people who lost their jobs on Wednesday turned to for help and support? Yes you've guessed it PYL.

Think on,
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: In all fairness Echo has found the identity of the landlord, which is not any private enterprise or nasty individuals but a body created with the help and knowledge of senior Council officers and local councillors, one of which is the Leader of Council Cllr. Simon Letts. Now if DE should be does bit more digging it may find that East Point charitable organisation served the community well and is the victim of circumstances beyond the control of its management team, most of whom did not get high wages unlike the bosses of PYL. East Point operation was in two parts. Main aim to provide community facility to local people and subsidising it by making money from Conferences and weddings etc venues and that too at reasonable rates. That policy was indirectly helping the Council because it escaped responsibility of providing community centre etc to local people, which before East Point were provided by High Town Community School. Main business side ran into temporary problems, because certain big name building firm could not finish the project on time, and some faulty work that may have knock on effect on the money making business side. But EP still kept on providing cheaper facilities to the community, while having to pay full rent to PYL. Hence cash flow problems, and requests to PYL for bit of 'rent holiday'. And may even have been request to local Council for help. So DE should be finding how much local Council senior officers and local ward councillors, Leader of Council is one of those, knew about the problems, and why they did not help. How come the PYL got hold of such massive assets i.e. land with massive development potential? Are there any connections between people operating PYL and Council Officers or some Councillors or both? What is the wage scale of the bosses of PYL? If and when PYL start providing facilities to local community will Council be contributing anything? If so why they did not help East Point, which in fact kept on helping the local community for many years, without any financial help from the Council. Labour run Council under the leadership of Alan Whitehead served Southampton well, including creation of East Point, but sadly now under NuLabour control the same Council with Cllr. Simon Letts it's Leader is busy flushing most of that down the pan.[/p][/quote]Oh dear Paramjit you seen to be very much mis-informed. The Leader of Council Cllr. Simon Letts was until his appointment to the leadership of Council was in fact the Chair of the Eastpoint Board of Trustees. Cllr Mary Lloyd, was until this week a Trustee of the Eastpoint Board of Directors and both are ward councillors so they were very much aware of the plight of Eastpoint, long before it become public knowledge, Cllr Letts has never had an input into PYL nor has he ever sat on the Board of Trustees of PYL as Ward Councillor or as Leader of the Council. You seem to be implying that in some way PYL are responsible for the demise of Eastpoint, PYL is a charitable organisation and like Eastpoint did, PYL also serves the community of Thornhill, some would say doing more for the local community than Eastpoint ever did. Your comment: If and when PYL start providing facilities to local community will Council be contributing anything? Instead of sitting there at your keyboard trying to give out ill informed information and trying to score political points why not come and ask the local residents of Thornhill that are being supported back into workplace by PYL or the parents of children who enjoy healthy activities during school holidays for under a tenner a day being delivered by PYL or the parents and toddler group that is supported by PYL, the older members of a local community club who have support from PYL on a week to week basis, come and speak to those people who use PYL's IT suite free of charge to apply for jobs and inform the council of any changes to circumstances, better still come and speak the pre-school committee that used to rent space at the old Eastpoint Centre but were kicked out by the Eastpoint Board when they moved to the new building, the pre-school are now located in the Hightown Centre community centre funnily enough operated by PYL. How do you know that PYL didn't give Eastpoint a rent break? The simple answer is you don't know, why don't you do some digging, you might find out that Eastpoint did have a rent break, ask Paul he will tell you, why don't you name Keir Southern as the builder of Eastpoint Centre what the issues are and how much the dispute between them and Eastpoint has cost. How do you know the salary of the PYL bosses? Again the simple answer is you don't know. If you knew anything you'd know that the PYL bosses are VOLUNTEERS and mostly Thornhill residents with some agency representation and one ward councillor at the table, PYL does have a team of staff (that are paid) PYL's staff team consist of 5 people who work for the people of Thornhill not the council, but you don't have a clue what that team earn, also what you don't know is that every member of that team from the caretaker to the team leader between them gift 100 or more hours work a month for free, yes a fantastic concept, paid workers working for FREE simply because they work for the people of Thornhill and love Thornhill as a community. PYL is not funded by the council nor has it ever been, so your assumption and that the council contribute to PYL in some way shape or form is utterly wrong, PYL are partners of the Council as were Eastpoint. Eastpoint did provide cheap local community room hire, they only did that because the PYL Board insisted on that when they agreed to part fund the Eastpoint Board building of the new Eastpoint Centre, oh yes I forgot to mention Paul Bennett sat on the PYL Board as a partner, so when the Eastpoint Board took the Thornhill communities money (£6 million) they knew full well what they were signing up to, they knew full well what would happen if their business plan didn't stack up, yes the community has lost an asset but the really sad thing is that 23 people lost their jobs on Wednesday afternoon. I will ask you this Paramjit, Guess who some of 23 people who lost their jobs on Wednesday turned to for help and support? Yes you've guessed it PYL. Think on, Outside of the Box

3:37pm Fri 24 Jan 14

03alpe01 says...

Ice Rink anyone?!?!?!?
Ice Rink anyone?!?!?!? 03alpe01

3:41pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
can every council estate in southampton have a new 10 million community centre , please,only fair.
As far as I know East Point was there for both local and wider community as well. Few years ago I used to sit on its board, so know that all the people on it were not only from Thornhill but also from other areas as well. As far as I am aware ethos remained the same, and most of the trustees etc did not claim monies like our elected councillors do.

To build large centres like this one may be very expensive, that is why the policy of turning some schools into community schools was adopted. But in 1980s Hampshire County Council closed High Town and Merry Oak Schools. That is why Soton Council bought High Town building to be run by East Point and later on part of Merry Oak, which is a small community centre.
[quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: can every council estate in southampton have a new 10 million community centre , please,only fair.[/p][/quote]As far as I know East Point was there for both local and wider community as well. Few years ago I used to sit on its board, so know that all the people on it were not only from Thornhill but also from other areas as well. As far as I am aware ethos remained the same, and most of the trustees etc did not claim monies like our elected councillors do. To build large centres like this one may be very expensive, that is why the policy of turning some schools into community schools was adopted. But in 1980s Hampshire County Council closed High Town and Merry Oak Schools. That is why Soton Council bought High Town building to be run by East Point and later on part of Merry Oak, which is a small community centre. Paramjit Bahia

4:23pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

Outside of the Box wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
In all fairness Echo has found the identity of the landlord, which is not any private enterprise or nasty individuals but a body created with the help and knowledge of senior Council officers and local councillors, one of which is the Leader of Council Cllr. Simon Letts.

Now if DE should be does bit more digging it may find that East Point charitable organisation served the community well and is the victim of circumstances beyond the control of its management team, most of whom did not get high wages unlike the bosses of PYL.

East Point operation was in two parts. Main aim to provide community facility to local people and subsidising it by making money from Conferences and weddings etc venues and that too at reasonable rates.

That policy was indirectly helping the Council because it escaped responsibility of providing community centre etc to local people, which before East Point were provided by High Town Community School.

Main business side ran into temporary problems, because certain big name building firm could not finish the project on time, and some faulty work that may have knock on effect on the money making business side. But EP still kept on providing cheaper facilities to the community, while having to pay full rent to PYL.

Hence cash flow problems, and requests to PYL for bit of 'rent holiday'. And may even have been request to local Council for help.

So DE should be finding how much local Council senior officers and local ward councillors, Leader of Council is one of those, knew about the problems, and why they did not help.

How come the PYL got hold of such massive assets i.e. land with massive development potential?
Are there any connections between people operating PYL and Council Officers or some Councillors or both?
What is the wage scale of the bosses of PYL?
If and when PYL start providing facilities to local community will Council be contributing anything?
If so why they did not help East Point, which in fact kept on helping the local community for many years, without any financial help from the Council.

Labour run Council under the leadership of Alan Whitehead served Southampton well, including creation of East Point, but sadly now under NuLabour control the same Council with Cllr. Simon Letts it's Leader is busy flushing most of that down the pan.
Oh dear Paramjit you seen to be very much mis-informed. The Leader of Council Cllr. Simon Letts was until his appointment to the leadership of Council was in fact the Chair of the Eastpoint Board of Trustees. Cllr Mary Lloyd, was until this week a Trustee of the Eastpoint Board of Directors and both are ward councillors so they were very much aware of the plight of Eastpoint, long before it become public knowledge, Cllr Letts has never had an input into PYL nor has he ever sat on the Board of Trustees of PYL as Ward Councillor or as Leader of the Council.

You seem to be implying that in some way PYL are responsible for the demise of Eastpoint, PYL is a charitable organisation and like Eastpoint did, PYL also serves the community of Thornhill, some would say doing more for the local community than Eastpoint ever did.

Your comment: If and when PYL start providing facilities to local community will Council be contributing anything? Instead of sitting there at your keyboard trying to give out ill informed information and trying to score political points why not come and ask the local residents of Thornhill that are being supported back into workplace by PYL or the parents of children who enjoy healthy activities during school holidays for under a tenner a day being delivered by PYL or the parents and toddler group that is supported by PYL, the older members of a local community club who have support from PYL on a week to week basis, come and speak to those people who use PYL's IT suite free of charge to apply for jobs and inform the council of any changes to circumstances, better still come and speak the pre-school committee that used to rent space at the old Eastpoint Centre but were kicked out by the Eastpoint Board when they moved to the new building, the pre-school are now located in the Hightown Centre community centre funnily enough operated by PYL.

How do you know that PYL didn't give Eastpoint a rent break? The simple answer is you don't know, why don't you do some digging, you might find out that Eastpoint did have a rent break, ask Paul he will tell you, why don't you name Keir Southern as the builder of Eastpoint Centre what the issues are and how much the dispute between them and Eastpoint has cost.

How do you know the salary of the PYL bosses? Again the simple answer is you don't know. If you knew anything you'd know that the PYL bosses are VOLUNTEERS and mostly Thornhill residents with some agency representation and one ward councillor at the table, PYL does have a team of staff (that are paid) PYL's staff team consist of 5 people who work for the people of Thornhill not the council, but you don't have a clue what that team earn, also what you don't know is that every member of that team from the caretaker to the team leader between them gift 100 or more hours work a month for free, yes a fantastic concept, paid workers working for FREE simply because they work for the people of Thornhill and love Thornhill as a community.

PYL is not funded by the council nor has it ever been, so your assumption and that the council contribute to PYL in some way shape or form is utterly wrong, PYL are partners of the Council as were Eastpoint.

Eastpoint did provide cheap local community room hire, they only did that because the PYL Board insisted on that when they agreed to part fund the Eastpoint Board building of the new Eastpoint Centre, oh yes I forgot to mention Paul Bennett sat on the PYL Board as a partner, so when the Eastpoint Board took the Thornhill communities money (£6 million) they knew full well what they were signing up to, they knew full well what would happen if their business plan didn't stack up, yes the community has lost an asset but the really sad thing is that 23 people lost their jobs on Wednesday afternoon.

I will ask you this Paramjit, Guess who some of 23 people who lost their jobs on Wednesday turned to for help and support? Yes you've guessed it PYL.

Think on,
You have wrongly assumed I may have political agenda.

I DONOT belong to any political party, although sometime if there is a decent candidate like Alan Whitehead I vote for one from NuLabour or Greens like C Lucas.

I have not claimed that I have done upto date research, that is why raised few reasonable questions.

Yes I am aware about Simon Letts having served as past Chairman, which makes me beg the question are you blaming him or Cllr. M Lloyd for participating in creating this situation?

Personally I am shocked, I'd supported campaign led by John Denham First to save High Town School at County Council, and then his and Alan Whitehead's very good idea of creating East Point.

Having later on served on the board, I am aware of admirable efforts people like Paul have been putting in. That is why I am disappointed about EP folding up so can't help asking possible reasons. Because news coverage in my opinion has not explained situation Paul and his team had to face.

If you read properly you will find that I am aware of PYL's charity status, yes most of the trustees are contributing their time for free but what about people on the top? Personally I have no idea, so you may explain.

You also have ignored that I did mention the builders, who according what I heard long time ago from some NuLabour councillor/s may have contributed in East Point business disruption, hence cash flow problems.

I can't understand why two charitable organisation could not help each other, so the question could there be any 'I am bigger than though games' going on.
As you are much better informed person than this humble old man, perhaps you may help in understanding the situation.

I have not spoken to former brilliant football player Paul for a long time, be thankful if you advise me how I may contact him.

Kind regards
[quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: In all fairness Echo has found the identity of the landlord, which is not any private enterprise or nasty individuals but a body created with the help and knowledge of senior Council officers and local councillors, one of which is the Leader of Council Cllr. Simon Letts. Now if DE should be does bit more digging it may find that East Point charitable organisation served the community well and is the victim of circumstances beyond the control of its management team, most of whom did not get high wages unlike the bosses of PYL. East Point operation was in two parts. Main aim to provide community facility to local people and subsidising it by making money from Conferences and weddings etc venues and that too at reasonable rates. That policy was indirectly helping the Council because it escaped responsibility of providing community centre etc to local people, which before East Point were provided by High Town Community School. Main business side ran into temporary problems, because certain big name building firm could not finish the project on time, and some faulty work that may have knock on effect on the money making business side. But EP still kept on providing cheaper facilities to the community, while having to pay full rent to PYL. Hence cash flow problems, and requests to PYL for bit of 'rent holiday'. And may even have been request to local Council for help. So DE should be finding how much local Council senior officers and local ward councillors, Leader of Council is one of those, knew about the problems, and why they did not help. How come the PYL got hold of such massive assets i.e. land with massive development potential? Are there any connections between people operating PYL and Council Officers or some Councillors or both? What is the wage scale of the bosses of PYL? If and when PYL start providing facilities to local community will Council be contributing anything? If so why they did not help East Point, which in fact kept on helping the local community for many years, without any financial help from the Council. Labour run Council under the leadership of Alan Whitehead served Southampton well, including creation of East Point, but sadly now under NuLabour control the same Council with Cllr. Simon Letts it's Leader is busy flushing most of that down the pan.[/p][/quote]Oh dear Paramjit you seen to be very much mis-informed. The Leader of Council Cllr. Simon Letts was until his appointment to the leadership of Council was in fact the Chair of the Eastpoint Board of Trustees. Cllr Mary Lloyd, was until this week a Trustee of the Eastpoint Board of Directors and both are ward councillors so they were very much aware of the plight of Eastpoint, long before it become public knowledge, Cllr Letts has never had an input into PYL nor has he ever sat on the Board of Trustees of PYL as Ward Councillor or as Leader of the Council. You seem to be implying that in some way PYL are responsible for the demise of Eastpoint, PYL is a charitable organisation and like Eastpoint did, PYL also serves the community of Thornhill, some would say doing more for the local community than Eastpoint ever did. Your comment: If and when PYL start providing facilities to local community will Council be contributing anything? Instead of sitting there at your keyboard trying to give out ill informed information and trying to score political points why not come and ask the local residents of Thornhill that are being supported back into workplace by PYL or the parents of children who enjoy healthy activities during school holidays for under a tenner a day being delivered by PYL or the parents and toddler group that is supported by PYL, the older members of a local community club who have support from PYL on a week to week basis, come and speak to those people who use PYL's IT suite free of charge to apply for jobs and inform the council of any changes to circumstances, better still come and speak the pre-school committee that used to rent space at the old Eastpoint Centre but were kicked out by the Eastpoint Board when they moved to the new building, the pre-school are now located in the Hightown Centre community centre funnily enough operated by PYL. How do you know that PYL didn't give Eastpoint a rent break? The simple answer is you don't know, why don't you do some digging, you might find out that Eastpoint did have a rent break, ask Paul he will tell you, why don't you name Keir Southern as the builder of Eastpoint Centre what the issues are and how much the dispute between them and Eastpoint has cost. How do you know the salary of the PYL bosses? Again the simple answer is you don't know. If you knew anything you'd know that the PYL bosses are VOLUNTEERS and mostly Thornhill residents with some agency representation and one ward councillor at the table, PYL does have a team of staff (that are paid) PYL's staff team consist of 5 people who work for the people of Thornhill not the council, but you don't have a clue what that team earn, also what you don't know is that every member of that team from the caretaker to the team leader between them gift 100 or more hours work a month for free, yes a fantastic concept, paid workers working for FREE simply because they work for the people of Thornhill and love Thornhill as a community. PYL is not funded by the council nor has it ever been, so your assumption and that the council contribute to PYL in some way shape or form is utterly wrong, PYL are partners of the Council as were Eastpoint. Eastpoint did provide cheap local community room hire, they only did that because the PYL Board insisted on that when they agreed to part fund the Eastpoint Board building of the new Eastpoint Centre, oh yes I forgot to mention Paul Bennett sat on the PYL Board as a partner, so when the Eastpoint Board took the Thornhill communities money (£6 million) they knew full well what they were signing up to, they knew full well what would happen if their business plan didn't stack up, yes the community has lost an asset but the really sad thing is that 23 people lost their jobs on Wednesday afternoon. I will ask you this Paramjit, Guess who some of 23 people who lost their jobs on Wednesday turned to for help and support? Yes you've guessed it PYL. Think on,[/p][/quote]You have wrongly assumed I may have political agenda. I DONOT belong to any political party, although sometime if there is a decent candidate like Alan Whitehead I vote for one from NuLabour or Greens like C Lucas. I have not claimed that I have done upto date research, that is why raised few reasonable questions. Yes I am aware about Simon Letts having served as past Chairman, which makes me beg the question are you blaming him or Cllr. M Lloyd for participating in creating this situation? Personally I am shocked, I'd supported campaign led by John Denham First to save High Town School at County Council, and then his and Alan Whitehead's very good idea of creating East Point. Having later on served on the board, I am aware of admirable efforts people like Paul have been putting in. That is why I am disappointed about EP folding up so can't help asking possible reasons. Because news coverage in my opinion has not explained situation Paul and his team had to face. If you read properly you will find that I am aware of PYL's charity status, yes most of the trustees are contributing their time for free but what about people on the top? Personally I have no idea, so you may explain. You also have ignored that I did mention the builders, who according what I heard long time ago from some NuLabour councillor/s may have contributed in East Point business disruption, hence cash flow problems. I can't understand why two charitable organisation could not help each other, so the question could there be any 'I am bigger than though games' going on. As you are much better informed person than this humble old man, perhaps you may help in understanding the situation. I have not spoken to former brilliant football player Paul for a long time, be thankful if you advise me how I may contact him. Kind regards Paramjit Bahia

4:59pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Lone Ranger. says...

03alpe01 wrote:
Ice Rink anyone?!?!?!?
When i win the Euromillions one day i am going to build the "Lone Ranger Silver Bullet" sports complex complete with an Ice Rink and Ski Slope.
.
I am going to make you the manager ........ Just so that you can see how easy it will be to lose a shed load of money.
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: Ice Rink anyone?!?!?!?[/p][/quote]When i win the Euromillions one day i am going to build the "Lone Ranger Silver Bullet" sports complex complete with an Ice Rink and Ski Slope. . I am going to make you the manager ........ Just so that you can see how easy it will be to lose a shed load of money. Lone Ranger.

5:29pm Fri 24 Jan 14

bgstaff says...

loosehead wrote:
bigfella accuses me of being an expert which I have never said I am.
I do not come from Thorhill or even the Itchen side of the city but I do live opposite Lordshill sports centre or as it's called 5 Acres where a sports club is run by Millbrook RUFC.
erven though it's constantly being broken into it survives with two Rugby teams & private functions so why is it Eastpoint couldn't survive?
Conference centre is one source of revenue but you have football teams over there so that could have been another wedding receptions birthday,engagement parties another source of revenue so unless the wages being paid were over the top (Rugby club all volunteers) how could this place not make money?
what/where else in this area is there such as facility? please bear in mind this is just firing questions & ideas at you the local people.
If this was open to the community did you use it?
I run eastpoint fc they do not sponsor us anymore and removed the potential of a football pitch by building the new building
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: bigfella accuses me of being an expert which I have never said I am. I do not come from Thorhill or even the Itchen side of the city but I do live opposite Lordshill sports centre or as it's called 5 Acres where a sports club is run by Millbrook RUFC. erven though it's constantly being broken into it survives with two Rugby teams & private functions so why is it Eastpoint couldn't survive? Conference centre is one source of revenue but you have football teams over there so that could have been another wedding receptions birthday,engagement parties another source of revenue so unless the wages being paid were over the top (Rugby club all volunteers) how could this place not make money? what/where else in this area is there such as facility? please bear in mind this is just firing questions & ideas at you the local people. If this was open to the community did you use it?[/p][/quote]I run eastpoint fc they do not sponsor us anymore and removed the potential of a football pitch by building the new building bgstaff

5:40pm Fri 24 Jan 14

loosehead says...

bgstaff wrote:
loosehead wrote:
bigfella accuses me of being an expert which I have never said I am.
I do not come from Thorhill or even the Itchen side of the city but I do live opposite Lordshill sports centre or as it's called 5 Acres where a sports club is run by Millbrook RUFC.
erven though it's constantly being broken into it survives with two Rugby teams & private functions so why is it Eastpoint couldn't survive?
Conference centre is one source of revenue but you have football teams over there so that could have been another wedding receptions birthday,engagement parties another source of revenue so unless the wages being paid were over the top (Rugby club all volunteers) how could this place not make money?
what/where else in this area is there such as facility? please bear in mind this is just firing questions & ideas at you the local people.
If this was open to the community did you use it?
I run eastpoint fc they do not sponsor us anymore and removed the potential of a football pitch by building the new building
Look I'm a Rugby man through & through but if this centre was open for you to run on a break even facility/clubhouse which had to be open to the locals for community events( you could run draws & such to bring money to your team) would you be willing to take it on?
or maybe work with other sports in that area or side of the city to make this a thriving sports & community centre?
It could be good for the sports clubs & the local community so it could be a win win situation would you be up to talking to other sports clubs & the council about such a project?
I'm not a councillor or an interested party it's just an idea what do you think about it?
[quote][p][bold]bgstaff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: bigfella accuses me of being an expert which I have never said I am. I do not come from Thorhill or even the Itchen side of the city but I do live opposite Lordshill sports centre or as it's called 5 Acres where a sports club is run by Millbrook RUFC. erven though it's constantly being broken into it survives with two Rugby teams & private functions so why is it Eastpoint couldn't survive? Conference centre is one source of revenue but you have football teams over there so that could have been another wedding receptions birthday,engagement parties another source of revenue so unless the wages being paid were over the top (Rugby club all volunteers) how could this place not make money? what/where else in this area is there such as facility? please bear in mind this is just firing questions & ideas at you the local people. If this was open to the community did you use it?[/p][/quote]I run eastpoint fc they do not sponsor us anymore and removed the potential of a football pitch by building the new building[/p][/quote]Look I'm a Rugby man through & through but if this centre was open for you to run on a break even facility/clubhouse which had to be open to the locals for community events( you could run draws & such to bring money to your team) would you be willing to take it on? or maybe work with other sports in that area or side of the city to make this a thriving sports & community centre? It could be good for the sports clubs & the local community so it could be a win win situation would you be up to talking to other sports clubs & the council about such a project? I'm not a councillor or an interested party it's just an idea what do you think about it? loosehead

5:59pm Fri 24 Jan 14

03alpe01 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Ice Rink anyone?!?!?!?
When i win the Euromillions one day i am going to build the "Lone Ranger Silver Bullet" sports complex complete with an Ice Rink and Ski Slope.
.
I am going to make you the manager ........ Just so that you can see how easy it will be to lose a shed load of money.
if you built it, wouldn't you be the one who lost money?
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: Ice Rink anyone?!?!?!?[/p][/quote]When i win the Euromillions one day i am going to build the "Lone Ranger Silver Bullet" sports complex complete with an Ice Rink and Ski Slope. . I am going to make you the manager ........ Just so that you can see how easy it will be to lose a shed load of money.[/p][/quote]if you built it, wouldn't you be the one who lost money? 03alpe01

10:27am Sat 25 Jan 14

Outside of the Box says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Outside of the Box wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
In all fairness Echo has found the identity of the landlord, which is not any private enterprise or nasty individuals but a body created with the help and knowledge of senior Council officers and local councillors, one of which is the Leader of Council Cllr. Simon Letts.

Now if DE should be does bit more digging it may find that East Point charitable organisation served the community well and is the victim of circumstances beyond the control of its management team, most of whom did not get high wages unlike the bosses of PYL.

East Point operation was in two parts. Main aim to provide community facility to local people and subsidising it by making money from Conferences and weddings etc venues and that too at reasonable rates.

That policy was indirectly helping the Council because it escaped responsibility of providing community centre etc to local people, which before East Point were provided by High Town Community School.

Main business side ran into temporary problems, because certain big name building firm could not finish the project on time, and some faulty work that may have knock on effect on the money making business side. But EP still kept on providing cheaper facilities to the community, while having to pay full rent to PYL.

Hence cash flow problems, and requests to PYL for bit of 'rent holiday'. And may even have been request to local Council for help.

So DE should be finding how much local Council senior officers and local ward councillors, Leader of Council is one of those, knew about the problems, and why they did not help.

How come the PYL got hold of such massive assets i.e. land with massive development potential?
Are there any connections between people operating PYL and Council Officers or some Councillors or both?
What is the wage scale of the bosses of PYL?
If and when PYL start providing facilities to local community will Council be contributing anything?
If so why they did not help East Point, which in fact kept on helping the local community for many years, without any financial help from the Council.

Labour run Council under the leadership of Alan Whitehead served Southampton well, including creation of East Point, but sadly now under NuLabour control the same Council with Cllr. Simon Letts it's Leader is busy flushing most of that down the pan.
Oh dear Paramjit you seen to be very much mis-informed. The Leader of Council Cllr. Simon Letts was until his appointment to the leadership of Council was in fact the Chair of the Eastpoint Board of Trustees. Cllr Mary Lloyd, was until this week a Trustee of the Eastpoint Board of Directors and both are ward councillors so they were very much aware of the plight of Eastpoint, long before it become public knowledge, Cllr Letts has never had an input into PYL nor has he ever sat on the Board of Trustees of PYL as Ward Councillor or as Leader of the Council.

You seem to be implying that in some way PYL are responsible for the demise of Eastpoint, PYL is a charitable organisation and like Eastpoint did, PYL also serves the community of Thornhill, some would say doing more for the local community than Eastpoint ever did.

Your comment: If and when PYL start providing facilities to local community will Council be contributing anything? Instead of sitting there at your keyboard trying to give out ill informed information and trying to score political points why not come and ask the local residents of Thornhill that are being supported back into workplace by PYL or the parents of children who enjoy healthy activities during school holidays for under a tenner a day being delivered by PYL or the parents and toddler group that is supported by PYL, the older members of a local community club who have support from PYL on a week to week basis, come and speak to those people who use PYL's IT suite free of charge to apply for jobs and inform the council of any changes to circumstances, better still come and speak the pre-school committee that used to rent space at the old Eastpoint Centre but were kicked out by the Eastpoint Board when they moved to the new building, the pre-school are now located in the Hightown Centre community centre funnily enough operated by PYL.

How do you know that PYL didn't give Eastpoint a rent break? The simple answer is you don't know, why don't you do some digging, you might find out that Eastpoint did have a rent break, ask Paul he will tell you, why don't you name Keir Southern as the builder of Eastpoint Centre what the issues are and how much the dispute between them and Eastpoint has cost.

How do you know the salary of the PYL bosses? Again the simple answer is you don't know. If you knew anything you'd know that the PYL bosses are VOLUNTEERS and mostly Thornhill residents with some agency representation and one ward councillor at the table, PYL does have a team of staff (that are paid) PYL's staff team consist of 5 people who work for the people of Thornhill not the council, but you don't have a clue what that team earn, also what you don't know is that every member of that team from the caretaker to the team leader between them gift 100 or more hours work a month for free, yes a fantastic concept, paid workers working for FREE simply because they work for the people of Thornhill and love Thornhill as a community.

PYL is not funded by the council nor has it ever been, so your assumption and that the council contribute to PYL in some way shape or form is utterly wrong, PYL are partners of the Council as were Eastpoint.

Eastpoint did provide cheap local community room hire, they only did that because the PYL Board insisted on that when they agreed to part fund the Eastpoint Board building of the new Eastpoint Centre, oh yes I forgot to mention Paul Bennett sat on the PYL Board as a partner, so when the Eastpoint Board took the Thornhill communities money (£6 million) they knew full well what they were signing up to, they knew full well what would happen if their business plan didn't stack up, yes the community has lost an asset but the really sad thing is that 23 people lost their jobs on Wednesday afternoon.

I will ask you this Paramjit, Guess who some of 23 people who lost their jobs on Wednesday turned to for help and support? Yes you've guessed it PYL.

Think on,
You have wrongly assumed I may have political agenda.

I DONOT belong to any political party, although sometime if there is a decent candidate like Alan Whitehead I vote for one from NuLabour or Greens like C Lucas.

I have not claimed that I have done upto date research, that is why raised few reasonable questions.

Yes I am aware about Simon Letts having served as past Chairman, which makes me beg the question are you blaming him or Cllr. M Lloyd for participating in creating this situation?

Personally I am shocked, I'd supported campaign led by John Denham First to save High Town School at County Council, and then his and Alan Whitehead's very good idea of creating East Point.

Having later on served on the board, I am aware of admirable efforts people like Paul have been putting in. That is why I am disappointed about EP folding up so can't help asking possible reasons. Because news coverage in my opinion has not explained situation Paul and his team had to face.

If you read properly you will find that I am aware of PYL's charity status, yes most of the trustees are contributing their time for free but what about people on the top? Personally I have no idea, so you may explain.

You also have ignored that I did mention the builders, who according what I heard long time ago from some NuLabour councillor/s may have contributed in East Point business disruption, hence cash flow problems.

I can't understand why two charitable organisation could not help each other, so the question could there be any 'I am bigger than though games' going on.
As you are much better informed person than this humble old man, perhaps you may help in understanding the situation.

I have not spoken to former brilliant football player Paul for a long time, be thankful if you advise me how I may contact him.

Kind regards
Its called Eastpoint not East Point and the school you campaigned to keep was called Hightown not High Town.

I am not blaming anybody for 23 people losing their job, I was defending an organisation who you seemed to think were not working in Thornhill I was simply telling you they are working in Thornhill and do far more for the residents of Thornhill than Eastpoint ever did

The truth is Eastpoint turned its back on the people of Thornhill, a vibrant community, is a non-judgmental inclusive one, this so called bastion of community life (Eastpoint), even barred children from its social club, it didn't allow the pre-school to move with them to new building when the old building because Eastpoint didn't want the noise from children upsetting their conference delegates.

You seem to be fascinated with PYL salary structure, the simply fact is, the people on the top are the charity Board (all Volunteers) there is 5 employees, why not ask the question of how much Managing Director and Assistant Managing Director of Eastpoint earned a year, after all it is that charity that bust not PYL.

The reports says Eastpoint has debts totalling £150K so there are many creditors. Earlier reports said Eastpoints annual expenditure was £1.1 million with annual income of just over £650K you do not have to be Einstein to work out that the charity/business was unsustainable, it went bust for a number of reasons but that had nothing to do with PYL.

As I said 23 people lost their jobs, many of these people are friends of mine, who were paid minimum wage, however the people at the top of Eastpoint were not, but don't worry about your friend Paul (the not so brilliant footballer) you can probably find him at Southampton Solent University where he spends most of his time lecturing, now the hindrance of Eastpoint has gone from his life he'll able to earn a living do that, as he has done for years.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: In all fairness Echo has found the identity of the landlord, which is not any private enterprise or nasty individuals but a body created with the help and knowledge of senior Council officers and local councillors, one of which is the Leader of Council Cllr. Simon Letts. Now if DE should be does bit more digging it may find that East Point charitable organisation served the community well and is the victim of circumstances beyond the control of its management team, most of whom did not get high wages unlike the bosses of PYL. East Point operation was in two parts. Main aim to provide community facility to local people and subsidising it by making money from Conferences and weddings etc venues and that too at reasonable rates. That policy was indirectly helping the Council because it escaped responsibility of providing community centre etc to local people, which before East Point were provided by High Town Community School. Main business side ran into temporary problems, because certain big name building firm could not finish the project on time, and some faulty work that may have knock on effect on the money making business side. But EP still kept on providing cheaper facilities to the community, while having to pay full rent to PYL. Hence cash flow problems, and requests to PYL for bit of 'rent holiday'. And may even have been request to local Council for help. So DE should be finding how much local Council senior officers and local ward councillors, Leader of Council is one of those, knew about the problems, and why they did not help. How come the PYL got hold of such massive assets i.e. land with massive development potential? Are there any connections between people operating PYL and Council Officers or some Councillors or both? What is the wage scale of the bosses of PYL? If and when PYL start providing facilities to local community will Council be contributing anything? If so why they did not help East Point, which in fact kept on helping the local community for many years, without any financial help from the Council. Labour run Council under the leadership of Alan Whitehead served Southampton well, including creation of East Point, but sadly now under NuLabour control the same Council with Cllr. Simon Letts it's Leader is busy flushing most of that down the pan.[/p][/quote]Oh dear Paramjit you seen to be very much mis-informed. The Leader of Council Cllr. Simon Letts was until his appointment to the leadership of Council was in fact the Chair of the Eastpoint Board of Trustees. Cllr Mary Lloyd, was until this week a Trustee of the Eastpoint Board of Directors and both are ward councillors so they were very much aware of the plight of Eastpoint, long before it become public knowledge, Cllr Letts has never had an input into PYL nor has he ever sat on the Board of Trustees of PYL as Ward Councillor or as Leader of the Council. You seem to be implying that in some way PYL are responsible for the demise of Eastpoint, PYL is a charitable organisation and like Eastpoint did, PYL also serves the community of Thornhill, some would say doing more for the local community than Eastpoint ever did. Your comment: If and when PYL start providing facilities to local community will Council be contributing anything? Instead of sitting there at your keyboard trying to give out ill informed information and trying to score political points why not come and ask the local residents of Thornhill that are being supported back into workplace by PYL or the parents of children who enjoy healthy activities during school holidays for under a tenner a day being delivered by PYL or the parents and toddler group that is supported by PYL, the older members of a local community club who have support from PYL on a week to week basis, come and speak to those people who use PYL's IT suite free of charge to apply for jobs and inform the council of any changes to circumstances, better still come and speak the pre-school committee that used to rent space at the old Eastpoint Centre but were kicked out by the Eastpoint Board when they moved to the new building, the pre-school are now located in the Hightown Centre community centre funnily enough operated by PYL. How do you know that PYL didn't give Eastpoint a rent break? The simple answer is you don't know, why don't you do some digging, you might find out that Eastpoint did have a rent break, ask Paul he will tell you, why don't you name Keir Southern as the builder of Eastpoint Centre what the issues are and how much the dispute between them and Eastpoint has cost. How do you know the salary of the PYL bosses? Again the simple answer is you don't know. If you knew anything you'd know that the PYL bosses are VOLUNTEERS and mostly Thornhill residents with some agency representation and one ward councillor at the table, PYL does have a team of staff (that are paid) PYL's staff team consist of 5 people who work for the people of Thornhill not the council, but you don't have a clue what that team earn, also what you don't know is that every member of that team from the caretaker to the team leader between them gift 100 or more hours work a month for free, yes a fantastic concept, paid workers working for FREE simply because they work for the people of Thornhill and love Thornhill as a community. PYL is not funded by the council nor has it ever been, so your assumption and that the council contribute to PYL in some way shape or form is utterly wrong, PYL are partners of the Council as were Eastpoint. Eastpoint did provide cheap local community room hire, they only did that because the PYL Board insisted on that when they agreed to part fund the Eastpoint Board building of the new Eastpoint Centre, oh yes I forgot to mention Paul Bennett sat on the PYL Board as a partner, so when the Eastpoint Board took the Thornhill communities money (£6 million) they knew full well what they were signing up to, they knew full well what would happen if their business plan didn't stack up, yes the community has lost an asset but the really sad thing is that 23 people lost their jobs on Wednesday afternoon. I will ask you this Paramjit, Guess who some of 23 people who lost their jobs on Wednesday turned to for help and support? Yes you've guessed it PYL. Think on,[/p][/quote]You have wrongly assumed I may have political agenda. I DONOT belong to any political party, although sometime if there is a decent candidate like Alan Whitehead I vote for one from NuLabour or Greens like C Lucas. I have not claimed that I have done upto date research, that is why raised few reasonable questions. Yes I am aware about Simon Letts having served as past Chairman, which makes me beg the question are you blaming him or Cllr. M Lloyd for participating in creating this situation? Personally I am shocked, I'd supported campaign led by John Denham First to save High Town School at County Council, and then his and Alan Whitehead's very good idea of creating East Point. Having later on served on the board, I am aware of admirable efforts people like Paul have been putting in. That is why I am disappointed about EP folding up so can't help asking possible reasons. Because news coverage in my opinion has not explained situation Paul and his team had to face. If you read properly you will find that I am aware of PYL's charity status, yes most of the trustees are contributing their time for free but what about people on the top? Personally I have no idea, so you may explain. You also have ignored that I did mention the builders, who according what I heard long time ago from some NuLabour councillor/s may have contributed in East Point business disruption, hence cash flow problems. I can't understand why two charitable organisation could not help each other, so the question could there be any 'I am bigger than though games' going on. As you are much better informed person than this humble old man, perhaps you may help in understanding the situation. I have not spoken to former brilliant football player Paul for a long time, be thankful if you advise me how I may contact him. Kind regards[/p][/quote]Its called Eastpoint not East Point and the school you campaigned to keep was called Hightown not High Town. I am not blaming anybody for 23 people losing their job, I was defending an organisation who you seemed to think were not working in Thornhill I was simply telling you they are working in Thornhill and do far more for the residents of Thornhill than Eastpoint ever did The truth is Eastpoint turned its back on the people of Thornhill, a vibrant community, is a non-judgmental inclusive one, this so called bastion of community life (Eastpoint), even barred children from its social club, it didn't allow the pre-school to move with them to new building when the old building because Eastpoint didn't want the noise from children upsetting their conference delegates. You seem to be fascinated with PYL salary structure, the simply fact is, the people on the top are the charity Board (all Volunteers) there is 5 employees, why not ask the question of how much Managing Director and Assistant Managing Director of Eastpoint earned a year, after all it is that charity that bust not PYL. The reports says Eastpoint has debts totalling £150K so there are many creditors. Earlier reports said Eastpoints annual expenditure was £1.1 million with annual income of just over £650K you do not have to be Einstein to work out that the charity/business was unsustainable, it went bust for a number of reasons but that had nothing to do with PYL. As I said 23 people lost their jobs, many of these people are friends of mine, who were paid minimum wage, however the people at the top of Eastpoint were not, but don't worry about your friend Paul (the not so brilliant footballer) you can probably find him at Southampton Solent University where he spends most of his time lecturing, now the hindrance of Eastpoint has gone from his life he'll able to earn a living do that, as he has done for years. Outside of the Box

1:35pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

Outside of the Box wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Outside of the Box wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
In all fairness Echo has found the identity of the landlord, which is not any private enterprise or nasty individuals but a body created with the help and knowledge of senior Council officers and local councillors, one of which is the Leader of Council Cllr. Simon Letts.

Now if DE should be does bit more digging it may find that East Point charitable organisation served the community well and is the victim of circumstances beyond the control of its management team, most of whom did not get high wages unlike the bosses of PYL.

East Point operation was in two parts. Main aim to provide community facility to local people and subsidising it by making money from Conferences and weddings etc venues and that too at reasonable rates.

That policy was indirectly helping the Council because it escaped responsibility of providing community centre etc to local people, which before East Point were provided by High Town Community School.

Main business side ran into temporary problems, because certain big name building firm could not finish the project on time, and some faulty work that may have knock on effect on the money making business side. But EP still kept on providing cheaper facilities to the community, while having to pay full rent to PYL.

Hence cash flow problems, and requests to PYL for bit of 'rent holiday'. And may even have been request to local Council for help.

So DE should be finding how much local Council senior officers and local ward councillors, Leader of Council is one of those, knew about the problems, and why they did not help.

How come the PYL got hold of such massive assets i.e. land with massive development potential?
Are there any connections between people operating PYL and Council Officers or some Councillors or both?
What is the wage scale of the bosses of PYL?
If and when PYL start providing facilities to local community will Council be contributing anything?
If so why they did not help East Point, which in fact kept on helping the local community for many years, without any financial help from the Council.

Labour run Council under the leadership of Alan Whitehead served Southampton well, including creation of East Point, but sadly now under NuLabour control the same Council with Cllr. Simon Letts it's Leader is busy flushing most of that down the pan.
Oh dear Paramjit you seen to be very much mis-informed. The Leader of Council Cllr. Simon Letts was until his appointment to the leadership of Council was in fact the Chair of the Eastpoint Board of Trustees. Cllr Mary Lloyd, was until this week a Trustee of the Eastpoint Board of Directors and both are ward councillors so they were very much aware of the plight of Eastpoint, long before it become public knowledge, Cllr Letts has never had an input into PYL nor has he ever sat on the Board of Trustees of PYL as Ward Councillor or as Leader of the Council.

You seem to be implying that in some way PYL are responsible for the demise of Eastpoint, PYL is a charitable organisation and like Eastpoint did, PYL also serves the community of Thornhill, some would say doing more for the local community than Eastpoint ever did.

Your comment: If and when PYL start providing facilities to local community will Council be contributing anything? Instead of sitting there at your keyboard trying to give out ill informed information and trying to score political points why not come and ask the local residents of Thornhill that are being supported back into workplace by PYL or the parents of children who enjoy healthy activities during school holidays for under a tenner a day being delivered by PYL or the parents and toddler group that is supported by PYL, the older members of a local community club who have support from PYL on a week to week basis, come and speak to those people who use PYL's IT suite free of charge to apply for jobs and inform the council of any changes to circumstances, better still come and speak the pre-school committee that used to rent space at the old Eastpoint Centre but were kicked out by the Eastpoint Board when they moved to the new building, the pre-school are now located in the Hightown Centre community centre funnily enough operated by PYL.

How do you know that PYL didn't give Eastpoint a rent break? The simple answer is you don't know, why don't you do some digging, you might find out that Eastpoint did have a rent break, ask Paul he will tell you, why don't you name Keir Southern as the builder of Eastpoint Centre what the issues are and how much the dispute between them and Eastpoint has cost.

How do you know the salary of the PYL bosses? Again the simple answer is you don't know. If you knew anything you'd know that the PYL bosses are VOLUNTEERS and mostly Thornhill residents with some agency representation and one ward councillor at the table, PYL does have a team of staff (that are paid) PYL's staff team consist of 5 people who work for the people of Thornhill not the council, but you don't have a clue what that team earn, also what you don't know is that every member of that team from the caretaker to the team leader between them gift 100 or more hours work a month for free, yes a fantastic concept, paid workers working for FREE simply because they work for the people of Thornhill and love Thornhill as a community.

PYL is not funded by the council nor has it ever been, so your assumption and that the council contribute to PYL in some way shape or form is utterly wrong, PYL are partners of the Council as were Eastpoint.

Eastpoint did provide cheap local community room hire, they only did that because the PYL Board insisted on that when they agreed to part fund the Eastpoint Board building of the new Eastpoint Centre, oh yes I forgot to mention Paul Bennett sat on the PYL Board as a partner, so when the Eastpoint Board took the Thornhill communities money (£6 million) they knew full well what they were signing up to, they knew full well what would happen if their business plan didn't stack up, yes the community has lost an asset but the really sad thing is that 23 people lost their jobs on Wednesday afternoon.

I will ask you this Paramjit, Guess who some of 23 people who lost their jobs on Wednesday turned to for help and support? Yes you've guessed it PYL.

Think on,
You have wrongly assumed I may have political agenda.

I DONOT belong to any political party, although sometime if there is a decent candidate like Alan Whitehead I vote for one from NuLabour or Greens like C Lucas.

I have not claimed that I have done upto date research, that is why raised few reasonable questions.

Yes I am aware about Simon Letts having served as past Chairman, which makes me beg the question are you blaming him or Cllr. M Lloyd for participating in creating this situation?

Personally I am shocked, I'd supported campaign led by John Denham First to save High Town School at County Council, and then his and Alan Whitehead's very good idea of creating East Point.

Having later on served on the board, I am aware of admirable efforts people like Paul have been putting in. That is why I am disappointed about EP folding up so can't help asking possible reasons. Because news coverage in my opinion has not explained situation Paul and his team had to face.

If you read properly you will find that I am aware of PYL's charity status, yes most of the trustees are contributing their time for free but what about people on the top? Personally I have no idea, so you may explain.

You also have ignored that I did mention the builders, who according what I heard long time ago from some NuLabour councillor/s may have contributed in East Point business disruption, hence cash flow problems.

I can't understand why two charitable organisation could not help each other, so the question could there be any 'I am bigger than though games' going on.
As you are much better informed person than this humble old man, perhaps you may help in understanding the situation.

I have not spoken to former brilliant football player Paul for a long time, be thankful if you advise me how I may contact him.

Kind regards
Its called Eastpoint not East Point and the school you campaigned to keep was called Hightown not High Town.

I am not blaming anybody for 23 people losing their job, I was defending an organisation who you seemed to think were not working in Thornhill I was simply telling you they are working in Thornhill and do far more for the residents of Thornhill than Eastpoint ever did

The truth is Eastpoint turned its back on the people of Thornhill, a vibrant community, is a non-judgmental inclusive one, this so called bastion of community life (Eastpoint), even barred children from its social club, it didn't allow the pre-school to move with them to new building when the old building because Eastpoint didn't want the noise from children upsetting their conference delegates.

You seem to be fascinated with PYL salary structure, the simply fact is, the people on the top are the charity Board (all Volunteers) there is 5 employees, why not ask the question of how much Managing Director and Assistant Managing Director of Eastpoint earned a year, after all it is that charity that bust not PYL.

The reports says Eastpoint has debts totalling £150K so there are many creditors. Earlier reports said Eastpoints annual expenditure was £1.1 million with annual income of just over £650K you do not have to be Einstein to work out that the charity/business was unsustainable, it went bust for a number of reasons but that had nothing to do with PYL.

As I said 23 people lost their jobs, many of these people are friends of mine, who were paid minimum wage, however the people at the top of Eastpoint were not, but don't worry about your friend Paul (the not so brilliant footballer) you can probably find him at Southampton Solent University where he spends most of his time lecturing, now the hindrance of Eastpoint has gone from his life he'll able to earn a living do that, as he has done for years.
As I said "I have not claimed that I have done upto date research, that is why raised few reasonable questions"

So thanks for your views, which are critical of the organisation that collapsed. DE is also printing news items about those who'd made advanced bookings. I can imagine how distressing it could be if I was in their situation and the people who have lost their jobs.

I also believe that many, especially the so called free press loves kicking the dog when it is down, so am anxious to know other side of the story as well.

When John Denham led the campaign to save something good for the people after County Council closed the old school most of us supported him because we believed in his vision. Few years later when I sat on the board of EP it was very well run organisation and used by both people from Thornhill and outside. But I think it was in 96 when I stood down and since then been to the old building only once. Have never been to the place now closed.

So with past involvement with the place, naturally I like many others want to know exactly what went wrong. That's why I think DE should be providing the other side of the story as well.

Regarding people of Thornhill, my view?... They are no different than any others, as a working class man myself I feel more comfortable with them than mostly stuck up snobs from places like Chilworth. Obviously there are good and bad people in every community, but so called free but defacto rich people's mouth piece the press keeps on giving bad publicity to Council estates. When was it last time Echo printed anything about super rich real crooks who have billions hidden in tax havens?
[quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: In all fairness Echo has found the identity of the landlord, which is not any private enterprise or nasty individuals but a body created with the help and knowledge of senior Council officers and local councillors, one of which is the Leader of Council Cllr. Simon Letts. Now if DE should be does bit more digging it may find that East Point charitable organisation served the community well and is the victim of circumstances beyond the control of its management team, most of whom did not get high wages unlike the bosses of PYL. East Point operation was in two parts. Main aim to provide community facility to local people and subsidising it by making money from Conferences and weddings etc venues and that too at reasonable rates. That policy was indirectly helping the Council because it escaped responsibility of providing community centre etc to local people, which before East Point were provided by High Town Community School. Main business side ran into temporary problems, because certain big name building firm could not finish the project on time, and some faulty work that may have knock on effect on the money making business side. But EP still kept on providing cheaper facilities to the community, while having to pay full rent to PYL. Hence cash flow problems, and requests to PYL for bit of 'rent holiday'. And may even have been request to local Council for help. So DE should be finding how much local Council senior officers and local ward councillors, Leader of Council is one of those, knew about the problems, and why they did not help. How come the PYL got hold of such massive assets i.e. land with massive development potential? Are there any connections between people operating PYL and Council Officers or some Councillors or both? What is the wage scale of the bosses of PYL? If and when PYL start providing facilities to local community will Council be contributing anything? If so why they did not help East Point, which in fact kept on helping the local community for many years, without any financial help from the Council. Labour run Council under the leadership of Alan Whitehead served Southampton well, including creation of East Point, but sadly now under NuLabour control the same Council with Cllr. Simon Letts it's Leader is busy flushing most of that down the pan.[/p][/quote]Oh dear Paramjit you seen to be very much mis-informed. The Leader of Council Cllr. Simon Letts was until his appointment to the leadership of Council was in fact the Chair of the Eastpoint Board of Trustees. Cllr Mary Lloyd, was until this week a Trustee of the Eastpoint Board of Directors and both are ward councillors so they were very much aware of the plight of Eastpoint, long before it become public knowledge, Cllr Letts has never had an input into PYL nor has he ever sat on the Board of Trustees of PYL as Ward Councillor or as Leader of the Council. You seem to be implying that in some way PYL are responsible for the demise of Eastpoint, PYL is a charitable organisation and like Eastpoint did, PYL also serves the community of Thornhill, some would say doing more for the local community than Eastpoint ever did. Your comment: If and when PYL start providing facilities to local community will Council be contributing anything? Instead of sitting there at your keyboard trying to give out ill informed information and trying to score political points why not come and ask the local residents of Thornhill that are being supported back into workplace by PYL or the parents of children who enjoy healthy activities during school holidays for under a tenner a day being delivered by PYL or the parents and toddler group that is supported by PYL, the older members of a local community club who have support from PYL on a week to week basis, come and speak to those people who use PYL's IT suite free of charge to apply for jobs and inform the council of any changes to circumstances, better still come and speak the pre-school committee that used to rent space at the old Eastpoint Centre but were kicked out by the Eastpoint Board when they moved to the new building, the pre-school are now located in the Hightown Centre community centre funnily enough operated by PYL. How do you know that PYL didn't give Eastpoint a rent break? The simple answer is you don't know, why don't you do some digging, you might find out that Eastpoint did have a rent break, ask Paul he will tell you, why don't you name Keir Southern as the builder of Eastpoint Centre what the issues are and how much the dispute between them and Eastpoint has cost. How do you know the salary of the PYL bosses? Again the simple answer is you don't know. If you knew anything you'd know that the PYL bosses are VOLUNTEERS and mostly Thornhill residents with some agency representation and one ward councillor at the table, PYL does have a team of staff (that are paid) PYL's staff team consist of 5 people who work for the people of Thornhill not the council, but you don't have a clue what that team earn, also what you don't know is that every member of that team from the caretaker to the team leader between them gift 100 or more hours work a month for free, yes a fantastic concept, paid workers working for FREE simply because they work for the people of Thornhill and love Thornhill as a community. PYL is not funded by the council nor has it ever been, so your assumption and that the council contribute to PYL in some way shape or form is utterly wrong, PYL are partners of the Council as were Eastpoint. Eastpoint did provide cheap local community room hire, they only did that because the PYL Board insisted on that when they agreed to part fund the Eastpoint Board building of the new Eastpoint Centre, oh yes I forgot to mention Paul Bennett sat on the PYL Board as a partner, so when the Eastpoint Board took the Thornhill communities money (£6 million) they knew full well what they were signing up to, they knew full well what would happen if their business plan didn't stack up, yes the community has lost an asset but the really sad thing is that 23 people lost their jobs on Wednesday afternoon. I will ask you this Paramjit, Guess who some of 23 people who lost their jobs on Wednesday turned to for help and support? Yes you've guessed it PYL. Think on,[/p][/quote]You have wrongly assumed I may have political agenda. I DONOT belong to any political party, although sometime if there is a decent candidate like Alan Whitehead I vote for one from NuLabour or Greens like C Lucas. I have not claimed that I have done upto date research, that is why raised few reasonable questions. Yes I am aware about Simon Letts having served as past Chairman, which makes me beg the question are you blaming him or Cllr. M Lloyd for participating in creating this situation? Personally I am shocked, I'd supported campaign led by John Denham First to save High Town School at County Council, and then his and Alan Whitehead's very good idea of creating East Point. Having later on served on the board, I am aware of admirable efforts people like Paul have been putting in. That is why I am disappointed about EP folding up so can't help asking possible reasons. Because news coverage in my opinion has not explained situation Paul and his team had to face. If you read properly you will find that I am aware of PYL's charity status, yes most of the trustees are contributing their time for free but what about people on the top? Personally I have no idea, so you may explain. You also have ignored that I did mention the builders, who according what I heard long time ago from some NuLabour councillor/s may have contributed in East Point business disruption, hence cash flow problems. I can't understand why two charitable organisation could not help each other, so the question could there be any 'I am bigger than though games' going on. As you are much better informed person than this humble old man, perhaps you may help in understanding the situation. I have not spoken to former brilliant football player Paul for a long time, be thankful if you advise me how I may contact him. Kind regards[/p][/quote]Its called Eastpoint not East Point and the school you campaigned to keep was called Hightown not High Town. I am not blaming anybody for 23 people losing their job, I was defending an organisation who you seemed to think were not working in Thornhill I was simply telling you they are working in Thornhill and do far more for the residents of Thornhill than Eastpoint ever did The truth is Eastpoint turned its back on the people of Thornhill, a vibrant community, is a non-judgmental inclusive one, this so called bastion of community life (Eastpoint), even barred children from its social club, it didn't allow the pre-school to move with them to new building when the old building because Eastpoint didn't want the noise from children upsetting their conference delegates. You seem to be fascinated with PYL salary structure, the simply fact is, the people on the top are the charity Board (all Volunteers) there is 5 employees, why not ask the question of how much Managing Director and Assistant Managing Director of Eastpoint earned a year, after all it is that charity that bust not PYL. The reports says Eastpoint has debts totalling £150K so there are many creditors. Earlier reports said Eastpoints annual expenditure was £1.1 million with annual income of just over £650K you do not have to be Einstein to work out that the charity/business was unsustainable, it went bust for a number of reasons but that had nothing to do with PYL. As I said 23 people lost their jobs, many of these people are friends of mine, who were paid minimum wage, however the people at the top of Eastpoint were not, but don't worry about your friend Paul (the not so brilliant footballer) you can probably find him at Southampton Solent University where he spends most of his time lecturing, now the hindrance of Eastpoint has gone from his life he'll able to earn a living do that, as he has done for years.[/p][/quote]As I said "I have not claimed that I have done upto date research, that is why raised few reasonable questions" So thanks for your views, which are critical of the organisation that collapsed. DE is also printing news items about those who'd made advanced bookings. I can imagine how distressing it could be if I was in their situation and the people who have lost their jobs. I also believe that many, especially the so called free press loves kicking the dog when it is down, so am anxious to know other side of the story as well. When John Denham led the campaign to save something good for the people after County Council closed the old school most of us supported him because we believed in his vision. Few years later when I sat on the board of EP it was very well run organisation and used by both people from Thornhill and outside. But I think it was in 96 when I stood down and since then been to the old building only once. Have never been to the place now closed. So with past involvement with the place, naturally I like many others want to know exactly what went wrong. That's why I think DE should be providing the other side of the story as well. Regarding people of Thornhill, my view?... They are no different than any others, as a working class man myself I feel more comfortable with them than mostly stuck up snobs from places like Chilworth. Obviously there are good and bad people in every community, but so called free but defacto rich people's mouth piece the press keeps on giving bad publicity to Council estates. When was it last time Echo printed anything about super rich real crooks who have billions hidden in tax havens? Paramjit Bahia

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