The £10m Eastpoint Centre in Southampton to shut today

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A FLAGSHIP centre at the heart of a Southampton community will close today with the loss of 23 jobs.

Administrators have confirmed to the Daily Echo that the Eastpoint Centre in Thornhill will cease trading from today.

As previously reported the ailing conference and community centre in Bursledon Road was in talks with administrators Baker Tilly in the hope of continuing to trade and sold on as a going concern.

But today the accountancy firm has announced that following discussions with potential buyers they have been unable to sell the business as a going concern and it is now officially in administration.

A statement said: “Unfortunately, the interest received has been in respect of a sale of assets only, and no parties have sought to acquire the business as a going concern.

“The Joint Administrators have assessed the viability of trading the business whilst in Administration. The business is currently forecast to incur trading losses and, without a realistic prospect of achieving a going concern sale, the Joint Administrators have concluded they are unable to trade the business.

“The Eastpoint Centre is now closed and has ceased to trade. A small number of staff will be retained in the short term in order to assist with the closure.”

The news will come as a blow to the community as the centre was used as a social club and by many local organisations and groups.

As reported last week the £10.5m centre, which was opened in 2011, was spiraling into debt with the last accounts showing it was running at a loss of more than £400,000.

A small number of staff are understood to be kept on in order to facilitate any potential sale.

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5:43pm Wed 22 Jan 14

issacchunt says...

Council folly.
Council folly. issacchunt
  • Score: 4

6:24pm Wed 22 Jan 14

SOULJACKER says...

What a complete waste of time & money!
They should never have shut the Hightown school down.
I pressume this is something to do with the council & if so 'THERE'S A SURPRISE'!
The council will never support anything to do with supporting communities as they don't make enough proffit from them.
Ones again, Southampton city council is not fit for purpose & should all be put to sleep once they wake up!
What a complete waste of time & money! They should never have shut the Hightown school down. I pressume this is something to do with the council & if so 'THERE'S A SURPRISE'! The council will never support anything to do with supporting communities as they don't make enough proffit from them. Ones again, Southampton city council is not fit for purpose & should all be put to sleep once they wake up! SOULJACKER
  • Score: 10

6:27pm Wed 22 Jan 14

loosehead says...

instead of wasting £200,000 on road signs & reducing speed limits in my estate which has no accidents to report in the 6 years I've lived here & no one especially council workers take a blind bit of notice of maybe they could have helped finance this & looked at ways to make it pay it's way?
instead of wasting £200,000 on road signs & reducing speed limits in my estate which has no accidents to report in the 6 years I've lived here & no one especially council workers take a blind bit of notice of maybe they could have helped finance this & looked at ways to make it pay it's way? loosehead
  • Score: 6

6:44pm Wed 22 Jan 14

SOULJACKER says...

loosehead wrote:
instead of wasting £200,000 on road signs & reducing speed limits in my estate which has no accidents to report in the 6 years I've lived here & no one especially council workers take a blind bit of notice of maybe they could have helped finance this & looked at ways to make it pay it's way?
That would require some common sense from the retards in the town hall & that ain't gonna happen any time soon!
They are just slowly killing our city.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: instead of wasting £200,000 on road signs & reducing speed limits in my estate which has no accidents to report in the 6 years I've lived here & no one especially council workers take a blind bit of notice of maybe they could have helped finance this & looked at ways to make it pay it's way?[/p][/quote]That would require some common sense from the retards in the town hall & that ain't gonna happen any time soon! They are just slowly killing our city. SOULJACKER
  • Score: 5

6:50pm Wed 22 Jan 14

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. says...

what were the council smoking , white elephants and losses piling up .
what were the council smoking , white elephants and losses piling up . WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.
  • Score: 1

6:51pm Wed 22 Jan 14

loosehead says...

SOULJACKER wrote:
loosehead wrote:
instead of wasting £200,000 on road signs & reducing speed limits in my estate which has no accidents to report in the 6 years I've lived here & no one especially council workers take a blind bit of notice of maybe they could have helped finance this & looked at ways to make it pay it's way?
That would require some common sense from the retards in the town hall & that ain't gonna happen any time soon!
They are just slowly killing our city.
souljacker there's very few roads where you can do over 20mph in my estate or even in the part of Millbrook Green Park estate where they've made it into a restricted area but just yesterday on the one stretch of St Boniface crescent where you can do any speed to council vans hammered down the road the very road the council has painted on the road & put up signs saying 20mph?
If this area had big wide roads with out speed humps or being limited to only one lane of traffic fine but it is like that here so why shelve out so much on what is common sense driving any way?
Take a look a`t Labour & this area isn't Royston A conservative councillor in Thornhill? is this Labours way of trying to lose Royston votes or to punish the people for voting tory as the unions did in the political strikes?
I'll let you come to your own conclusion!
[quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: instead of wasting £200,000 on road signs & reducing speed limits in my estate which has no accidents to report in the 6 years I've lived here & no one especially council workers take a blind bit of notice of maybe they could have helped finance this & looked at ways to make it pay it's way?[/p][/quote]That would require some common sense from the retards in the town hall & that ain't gonna happen any time soon! They are just slowly killing our city.[/p][/quote]souljacker there's very few roads where you can do over 20mph in my estate or even in the part of Millbrook Green Park estate where they've made it into a restricted area but just yesterday on the one stretch of St Boniface crescent where you can do any speed to council vans hammered down the road the very road the council has painted on the road & put up signs saying 20mph? If this area had big wide roads with out speed humps or being limited to only one lane of traffic fine but it is like that here so why shelve out so much on what is common sense driving any way? Take a look a`t Labour & this area isn't Royston A conservative councillor in Thornhill? is this Labours way of trying to lose Royston votes or to punish the people for voting tory as the unions did in the political strikes? I'll let you come to your own conclusion! loosehead
  • Score: -1

6:54pm Wed 22 Jan 14

loosehead says...

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
what were the council smoking , white elephants and losses piling up .
Rayment in our council look at the mess Rayment on the Police Board & what a total c+ck up & loss of money on that so called police headquarters.
Rayment & traffic look at the state of that need I say more?
[quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: what were the council smoking , white elephants and losses piling up .[/p][/quote]Rayment in our council look at the mess Rayment on the Police Board & what a total c+ck up & loss of money on that so called police headquarters. Rayment & traffic look at the state of that need I say more? loosehead
  • Score: 2

6:58pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Mary80 says...

Why are people surprised our town p!sses away money like a geyser? This stuff always happens i cant' even fake shock
Why are people surprised our town p!sses away money like a geyser? This stuff always happens i cant' even fake shock Mary80
  • Score: 2

7:04pm Wed 22 Jan 14

SOULJACKER says...

loosehead wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
loosehead wrote:
instead of wasting £200,000 on road signs & reducing speed limits in my estate which has no accidents to report in the 6 years I've lived here & no one especially council workers take a blind bit of notice of maybe they could have helped finance this & looked at ways to make it pay it's way?
That would require some common sense from the retards in the town hall & that ain't gonna happen any time soon!
They are just slowly killing our city.
souljacker there's very few roads where you can do over 20mph in my estate or even in the part of Millbrook Green Park estate where they've made it into a restricted area but just yesterday on the one stretch of St Boniface crescent where you can do any speed to council vans hammered down the road the very road the council has painted on the road & put up signs saying 20mph?
If this area had big wide roads with out speed humps or being limited to only one lane of traffic fine but it is like that here so why shelve out so much on what is common sense driving any way?
Take a look a`t Labour & this area isn't Royston A conservative councillor in Thornhill? is this Labours way of trying to lose Royston votes or to punish the people for voting tory as the unions did in the political strikes?
I'll let you come to your own conclusion!
I grew up on Thornhill & they never diod anything of any real consequence & the same is true of Millbrook or any council estate or COMMUNITY.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: instead of wasting £200,000 on road signs & reducing speed limits in my estate which has no accidents to report in the 6 years I've lived here & no one especially council workers take a blind bit of notice of maybe they could have helped finance this & looked at ways to make it pay it's way?[/p][/quote]That would require some common sense from the retards in the town hall & that ain't gonna happen any time soon! They are just slowly killing our city.[/p][/quote]souljacker there's very few roads where you can do over 20mph in my estate or even in the part of Millbrook Green Park estate where they've made it into a restricted area but just yesterday on the one stretch of St Boniface crescent where you can do any speed to council vans hammered down the road the very road the council has painted on the road & put up signs saying 20mph? If this area had big wide roads with out speed humps or being limited to only one lane of traffic fine but it is like that here so why shelve out so much on what is common sense driving any way? Take a look a`t Labour & this area isn't Royston A conservative councillor in Thornhill? is this Labours way of trying to lose Royston votes or to punish the people for voting tory as the unions did in the political strikes? I'll let you come to your own conclusion![/p][/quote]I grew up on Thornhill & they never diod anything of any real consequence & the same is true of Millbrook or any council estate or COMMUNITY. SOULJACKER
  • Score: 1

7:17pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Outside of the Box says...

loosehead wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
loosehead wrote:
instead of wasting £200,000 on road signs & reducing speed limits in my estate which has no accidents to report in the 6 years I've lived here & no one especially council workers take a blind bit of notice of maybe they could have helped finance this & looked at ways to make it pay it's way?
That would require some common sense from the retards in the town hall & that ain't gonna happen any time soon!
They are just slowly killing our city.
souljacker there's very few roads where you can do over 20mph in my estate or even in the part of Millbrook Green Park estate where they've made it into a restricted area but just yesterday on the one stretch of St Boniface crescent where you can do any speed to council vans hammered down the road the very road the council has painted on the road & put up signs saying 20mph?
If this area had big wide roads with out speed humps or being limited to only one lane of traffic fine but it is like that here so why shelve out so much on what is common sense driving any way?
Take a look a`t Labour & this area isn't Royston A conservative councillor in Thornhill? is this Labours way of trying to lose Royston votes or to punish the people for voting tory as the unions did in the political strikes?
I'll let you come to your own conclusion!
Royston Smith isn't a Bitterne Ward (Thornhill) he is a Cllr for Harefield however the Labour leader of SCC is a Bitterne ward Cllr, Cllr Simon Letts was also Chair of the Eastpoint Board until resigned when he was elected Labour leader, Cllr Mary Lloyd another Bitterne Labour Ward is on the Eastpoint.

I hardly think this was a Labour ploy to wins votes from Royston, it will probably dothe complete opposite.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: instead of wasting £200,000 on road signs & reducing speed limits in my estate which has no accidents to report in the 6 years I've lived here & no one especially council workers take a blind bit of notice of maybe they could have helped finance this & looked at ways to make it pay it's way?[/p][/quote]That would require some common sense from the retards in the town hall & that ain't gonna happen any time soon! They are just slowly killing our city.[/p][/quote]souljacker there's very few roads where you can do over 20mph in my estate or even in the part of Millbrook Green Park estate where they've made it into a restricted area but just yesterday on the one stretch of St Boniface crescent where you can do any speed to council vans hammered down the road the very road the council has painted on the road & put up signs saying 20mph? If this area had big wide roads with out speed humps or being limited to only one lane of traffic fine but it is like that here so why shelve out so much on what is common sense driving any way? Take a look a`t Labour & this area isn't Royston A conservative councillor in Thornhill? is this Labours way of trying to lose Royston votes or to punish the people for voting tory as the unions did in the political strikes? I'll let you come to your own conclusion![/p][/quote]Royston Smith isn't a Bitterne Ward (Thornhill) he is a Cllr for Harefield however the Labour leader of SCC is a Bitterne ward Cllr, Cllr Simon Letts was also Chair of the Eastpoint Board until resigned when he was elected Labour leader, Cllr Mary Lloyd another Bitterne Labour Ward is on the Eastpoint. I hardly think this was a Labour ploy to wins votes from Royston, it will probably dothe complete opposite. Outside of the Box
  • Score: 3

7:33pm Wed 22 Jan 14

KSO16R says...

Who was in power when the decision was made to build it?
Who was in power when the decision was made to build it? KSO16R
  • Score: 2

7:37pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Lone Ranger. says...

More money wasted by the last Tory council ........ Current council expected to pick up the pieces .......... AGAIN.
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More money wasted by the last Tory council ........ Current council expected to pick up the pieces .......... AGAIN. . Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -2

7:50pm Wed 22 Jan 14

pauldrums says...

I think this is a tragedy as the Eastpoint centre is a great building with many facilities. Unfortunately, the local people did not make enough use of the facilities offered. It could be used for many different events such as weddings, concerts, Corporate Events, courses and training, band rehearsals, Zumba, Hoopla. It also had a bar which had its own regulars, who were able to watch live sport on the large screen TV. We had weekly community band rehearsals at Eastpoint and also gave concerts in the main hall.
I trust all those who have commented unfavourably were regular users of the Eastpoint Centre as I was. It is a facility which will be missed.
I think this is a tragedy as the Eastpoint centre is a great building with many facilities. Unfortunately, the local people did not make enough use of the facilities offered. It could be used for many different events such as weddings, concerts, Corporate Events, courses and training, band rehearsals, Zumba, Hoopla. It also had a bar which had its own regulars, who were able to watch live sport on the large screen TV. We had weekly community band rehearsals at Eastpoint and also gave concerts in the main hall. I trust all those who have commented unfavourably were regular users of the Eastpoint Centre as I was. It is a facility which will be missed. pauldrums
  • Score: 11

7:54pm Wed 22 Jan 14

The Watcher says...

loosehead wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
loosehead wrote:
instead of wasting £200,000 on road signs & reducing speed limits in my estate which has no accidents to report in the 6 years I've lived here & no one especially council workers take a blind bit of notice of maybe they could have helped finance this & looked at ways to make it pay it's way?
That would require some common sense from the retards in the town hall & that ain't gonna happen any time soon!
They are just slowly killing our city.
souljacker there's very few roads where you can do over 20mph in my estate or even in the part of Millbrook Green Park estate where they've made it into a restricted area but just yesterday on the one stretch of St Boniface crescent where you can do any speed to council vans hammered down the road the very road the council has painted on the road & put up signs saying 20mph?
If this area had big wide roads with out speed humps or being limited to only one lane of traffic fine but it is like that here so why shelve out so much on what is common sense driving any way?
Take a look a`t Labour & this area isn't Royston A conservative councillor in Thornhill? is this Labours way of trying to lose Royston votes or to punish the people for voting tory as the unions did in the political strikes?
I'll let you come to your own conclusion!
I'm afraid Cllr Royston had his face all over this when it was approved and built under the last administration. It was always going to be a white elephant and amazed it has lasted this long!!!
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As for 20mph zones, once again Cllr Royston Smith had been at the forefront of pushing this over on the East of the City.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: instead of wasting £200,000 on road signs & reducing speed limits in my estate which has no accidents to report in the 6 years I've lived here & no one especially council workers take a blind bit of notice of maybe they could have helped finance this & looked at ways to make it pay it's way?[/p][/quote]That would require some common sense from the retards in the town hall & that ain't gonna happen any time soon! They are just slowly killing our city.[/p][/quote]souljacker there's very few roads where you can do over 20mph in my estate or even in the part of Millbrook Green Park estate where they've made it into a restricted area but just yesterday on the one stretch of St Boniface crescent where you can do any speed to council vans hammered down the road the very road the council has painted on the road & put up signs saying 20mph? If this area had big wide roads with out speed humps or being limited to only one lane of traffic fine but it is like that here so why shelve out so much on what is common sense driving any way? Take a look a`t Labour & this area isn't Royston A conservative councillor in Thornhill? is this Labours way of trying to lose Royston votes or to punish the people for voting tory as the unions did in the political strikes? I'll let you come to your own conclusion![/p][/quote]I'm afraid Cllr Royston had his face all over this when it was approved and built under the last administration. It was always going to be a white elephant and amazed it has lasted this long!!! . As for 20mph zones, once again Cllr Royston Smith had been at the forefront of pushing this over on the East of the City. The Watcher
  • Score: 3

7:56pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Lone Ranger. says...

So the last Tory council WASTED £3m on the Eastpoint Centre and used £5m of taxpayers money on the Sea Museum.
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......... And to top it all the Lemmings of the local Tories want them back in charge ......... are they Barking Mad.
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Just think £8m WASTED ..........
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Noticed that the Echo Soapbox didnt chase the ex leader for a comment on this ......... I wonder why
So the last Tory council WASTED £3m on the Eastpoint Centre and used £5m of taxpayers money on the Sea Museum. . ......... And to top it all the Lemmings of the local Tories want them back in charge ......... are they Barking Mad. . Just think £8m WASTED .......... . Noticed that the Echo Soapbox didnt chase the ex leader for a comment on this ......... I wonder why Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 7

8:36pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Trumpet Blower says...

This comes as no surprise at all. If they were only charging groups £5
an hour to use the premises they could not possibly have been covering
their costs.
This comes as no surprise at all. If they were only charging groups £5 an hour to use the premises they could not possibly have been covering their costs. Trumpet Blower
  • Score: 1

8:49pm Wed 22 Jan 14

elvisimo says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
So the last Tory council WASTED £3m on the Eastpoint Centre and used £5m of taxpayers money on the Sea Museum.
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......... And to top it all the Lemmings of the local Tories want them back in charge ......... are they Barking Mad.
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Just think £8m WASTED ..........
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Noticed that the Echo Soapbox didnt chase the ex leader for a comment on this ......... I wonder why
Your life must be very black and white...
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: So the last Tory council WASTED £3m on the Eastpoint Centre and used £5m of taxpayers money on the Sea Museum. . ......... And to top it all the Lemmings of the local Tories want them back in charge ......... are they Barking Mad. . Just think £8m WASTED .......... . Noticed that the Echo Soapbox didnt chase the ex leader for a comment on this ......... I wonder why[/p][/quote]Your life must be very black and white... elvisimo
  • Score: 0

9:06pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Lone Ranger. says...

elvisimo wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
So the last Tory council WASTED £3m on the Eastpoint Centre and used £5m of taxpayers money on the Sea Museum.
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......... And to top it all the Lemmings of the local Tories want them back in charge ......... are they Barking Mad.
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Just think £8m WASTED ..........
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Noticed that the Echo Soapbox didnt chase the ex leader for a comment on this ......... I wonder why
Your life must be very black and white...
I am just delighted that i have one ....... and enjoy the fact that i am able to express my opinion ..... although not everyone agrees with it i am quite prepared to consider anothers point of view ......... even if they are wrong
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[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: So the last Tory council WASTED £3m on the Eastpoint Centre and used £5m of taxpayers money on the Sea Museum. . ......... And to top it all the Lemmings of the local Tories want them back in charge ......... are they Barking Mad. . Just think £8m WASTED .......... . Noticed that the Echo Soapbox didnt chase the ex leader for a comment on this ......... I wonder why[/p][/quote]Your life must be very black and white...[/p][/quote]I am just delighted that i have one ....... and enjoy the fact that i am able to express my opinion ..... although not everyone agrees with it i am quite prepared to consider anothers point of view ......... even if they are wrong . Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 0

9:11pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
More money wasted by the last Tory council ........ Current council expected to pick up the pieces .......... AGAIN. .
As socialist I may find what you have said music to my ears, but I also believe that socialists should also be fair, yes even to their opponents.

So may I ask what will you say if Tories start saying the same in defence of their and ConDem government and point out how may billions were wasted by Brown led NuLabour government?

You should not have snookered yourself, but should have stuck to hard fact. East Point was not run by Southampton Council. So buck stops with the limited company which owned and operated it.

Personally I feel sorry for people who are going lose their jobs and have some sympathy with board of directors, especially Paul ( I think he was still the MD). Because they genuinely wanted to provide the very best facilities to local community and other users of the centre. Those whom I spoke to when they decided to abandon the old building a create this superb centre may remember that my view was not to over reach. Why start fixing that is not broken and discard something that can be repaired. But in fairness to them the temptation of grants to uplift Thornhill Estate was too strong to resist, also at the same time state of economy virtually dried up the up market they were aiming for, while also providing affordable place to local community.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: More money wasted by the last Tory council ........ Current council expected to pick up the pieces .......... AGAIN. .[/p][/quote]As socialist I may find what you have said music to my ears, but I also believe that socialists should also be fair, yes even to their opponents. So may I ask what will you say if Tories start saying the same in defence of their and ConDem government and point out how may billions were wasted by Brown led NuLabour government? You should not have snookered yourself, but should have stuck to hard fact. East Point was not run by Southampton Council. So buck stops with the limited company which owned and operated it. Personally I feel sorry for people who are going lose their jobs and have some sympathy with board of directors, especially Paul ( I think he was still the MD). Because they genuinely wanted to provide the very best facilities to local community and other users of the centre. Those whom I spoke to when they decided to abandon the old building a create this superb centre may remember that my view was not to over reach. Why start fixing that is not broken and discard something that can be repaired. But in fairness to them the temptation of grants to uplift Thornhill Estate was too strong to resist, also at the same time state of economy virtually dried up the up market they were aiming for, while also providing affordable place to local community. Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: 1

9:14pm Wed 22 Jan 14

loosehead says...

Sorry I just knew royston was over Itchen side didn't know what ward it was.
But why is it something most locals in Thornhill said could be a good community asset if the community was more involved with it.
something which had many social groups using it should get such a post as this from Lone Ranger?
So the last Tory council WASTED £3m on the Eastpoint Centre and used £5m of taxpayers money on the Sea Museum.
he says the monies wasted on Eastpoint? that's not what previous Thornhill residents posts said on it?
He says 5million of taxpayers money was wasted on sea city museum & again he's wrong?
A industrial estate that's in dire need of repair & modernisation & would have cost us the tax payers way over £10million to fix was sold for 10million 5million went to pay off the sea city museum 5 million went to front line services & surestarts the very services & surestarts Labour have cut.
so in fact the last council saved us a fortune & yes Royston wants 20mph in his ward but look at the wards does his have speed humps every where? are the roads so cornered or packed with traffic to drive at any speed is lunacy?
I don't live in his ward but I live in Redbridge ward when did any resident ask for this? not many replied yet the council took it that we wanted it we don't.
I'd rather see Eastpoint get this money & maybe a socialist council could act like socialists & ask the people what they want there cost it up & if it can guarantee to at least break even if not make a small profit keep this excellent facility.
Waste of money or a asset if allowed to be for the residents of the area or is it going to be another flat city?
Sorry I just knew royston was over Itchen side didn't know what ward it was. But why is it something most locals in Thornhill said could be a good community asset if the community was more involved with it. something which had many social groups using it should get such a post as this from Lone Ranger? So the last Tory council WASTED £3m on the Eastpoint Centre and used £5m of taxpayers money on the Sea Museum. he says the monies wasted on Eastpoint? that's not what previous Thornhill residents posts said on it? He says 5million of taxpayers money was wasted on sea city museum & again he's wrong? A industrial estate that's in dire need of repair & modernisation & would have cost us the tax payers way over £10million to fix was sold for 10million 5million went to pay off the sea city museum 5 million went to front line services & surestarts the very services & surestarts Labour have cut. so in fact the last council saved us a fortune & yes Royston wants 20mph in his ward but look at the wards does his have speed humps every where? are the roads so cornered or packed with traffic to drive at any speed is lunacy? I don't live in his ward but I live in Redbridge ward when did any resident ask for this? not many replied yet the council took it that we wanted it we don't. I'd rather see Eastpoint get this money & maybe a socialist council could act like socialists & ask the people what they want there cost it up & if it can guarantee to at least break even if not make a small profit keep this excellent facility. Waste of money or a asset if allowed to be for the residents of the area or is it going to be another flat city? loosehead
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10:08pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

SOULJACKER wrote:
What a complete waste of time & money! They should never have shut the Hightown school down. I pressume this is something to do with the council & if so 'THERE'S A SURPRISE'! The council will never support anything to do with supporting communities as they don't make enough proffit from them. Ones again, Southampton city council is not fit for purpose & should all be put to sleep once they wake up!
You are right that decision to close High Town community school was wrong. But that decision was not made by Southampton Council. Those days Southampton was part of Hampshire and Education was responsibility of Hampshire County Council, which that time was under Tory control.

At the time I was County Councillor so along with all my Labour colleagues fully supported the campaign to save High Town led by John Denham who was County Councillor for Bitterne. But sadly we lost. But then Southampton Council bought the building to provide badly needed community facilities. That worked great till the organisation running it, with best intentions, decided to build new place. Sadly same time economic climate created problems.

Closing of community facilities is going to creat problems, so who is going to campaign for those like John Denham did in 1980s because he is standing down at the next election, and to make the matters difficult unlike Alan Whitehead in 80s the current leader of Council Cllr. Simon Letts is committed to cuts, policy which is also supported by other councillors of the area.

Only possible long term solution could for people to start electing councillors like Don Thomas and Keith Morrell who represent Coxford because heaven or hell they will stand for the people and oppose all unnecessary cuts
[quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: What a complete waste of time & money! They should never have shut the Hightown school down. I pressume this is something to do with the council & if so 'THERE'S A SURPRISE'! The council will never support anything to do with supporting communities as they don't make enough proffit from them. Ones again, Southampton city council is not fit for purpose & should all be put to sleep once they wake up![/p][/quote]You are right that decision to close High Town community school was wrong. But that decision was not made by Southampton Council. Those days Southampton was part of Hampshire and Education was responsibility of Hampshire County Council, which that time was under Tory control. At the time I was County Councillor so along with all my Labour colleagues fully supported the campaign to save High Town led by John Denham who was County Councillor for Bitterne. But sadly we lost. But then Southampton Council bought the building to provide badly needed community facilities. That worked great till the organisation running it, with best intentions, decided to build new place. Sadly same time economic climate created problems. Closing of community facilities is going to creat problems, so who is going to campaign for those like John Denham did in 1980s because he is standing down at the next election, and to make the matters difficult unlike Alan Whitehead in 80s the current leader of Council Cllr. Simon Letts is committed to cuts, policy which is also supported by other councillors of the area. Only possible long term solution could for people to start electing councillors like Don Thomas and Keith Morrell who represent Coxford because heaven or hell they will stand for the people and oppose all unnecessary cuts Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: -1

10:38pm Wed 22 Jan 14

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
loosehead wrote:
instead of wasting £200,000 on road signs & reducing speed limits in my estate which has no accidents to report in the 6 years I've lived here & no one especially council workers take a blind bit of notice of maybe they could have helped finance this & looked at ways to make it pay it's way?
That would require some common sense from the retards in the town hall & that ain't gonna happen any time soon!
They are just slowly killing our city.
souljacker there's very few roads where you can do over 20mph in my estate or even in the part of Millbrook Green Park estate where they've made it into a restricted area but just yesterday on the one stretch of St Boniface crescent where you can do any speed to council vans hammered down the road the very road the council has painted on the road & put up signs saying 20mph?
If this area had big wide roads with out speed humps or being limited to only one lane of traffic fine but it is like that here so why shelve out so much on what is common sense driving any way?
Take a look a`t Labour & this area isn't Royston A conservative councillor in Thornhill? is this Labours way of trying to lose Royston votes or to punish the people for voting tory as the unions did in the political strikes?
I'll let you come to your own conclusion!
Well loose we did warn that the Labour party will be no different from the Tory party, all the big partys need a sharp shock by the smaller partys, people need to get organise and vote in the smaller partys like the TUSC, the big 3 think they can get away with any thing and they can while they keep being voted into office
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: instead of wasting £200,000 on road signs & reducing speed limits in my estate which has no accidents to report in the 6 years I've lived here & no one especially council workers take a blind bit of notice of maybe they could have helped finance this & looked at ways to make it pay it's way?[/p][/quote]That would require some common sense from the retards in the town hall & that ain't gonna happen any time soon! They are just slowly killing our city.[/p][/quote]souljacker there's very few roads where you can do over 20mph in my estate or even in the part of Millbrook Green Park estate where they've made it into a restricted area but just yesterday on the one stretch of St Boniface crescent where you can do any speed to council vans hammered down the road the very road the council has painted on the road & put up signs saying 20mph? If this area had big wide roads with out speed humps or being limited to only one lane of traffic fine but it is like that here so why shelve out so much on what is common sense driving any way? Take a look a`t Labour & this area isn't Royston A conservative councillor in Thornhill? is this Labours way of trying to lose Royston votes or to punish the people for voting tory as the unions did in the political strikes? I'll let you come to your own conclusion![/p][/quote]Well loose we did warn that the Labour party will be no different from the Tory party, all the big partys need a sharp shock by the smaller partys, people need to get organise and vote in the smaller partys like the TUSC, the big 3 think they can get away with any thing and they can while they keep being voted into office southy
  • Score: -4

10:41pm Wed 22 Jan 14

mr.southampton says...

So basically the whole bulldozing of the old building which had run quite well for years has been a total waste of time and money.

If memory serves wasn't Itchen College originally supposed to relocate to the site of the old Eastpoint building?
So basically the whole bulldozing of the old building which had run quite well for years has been a total waste of time and money. If memory serves wasn't Itchen College originally supposed to relocate to the site of the old Eastpoint building? mr.southampton
  • Score: 1

10:52pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

I have a convention planned for in the future that could have called eastpoint home if there was a hotel nearby but even then it still wouldn't have happened as the attendees would most likely get attacked by the local youth, then again I've not been attacked for what I often wear around my neck yet.
I have a convention planned for in the future that could have called eastpoint home if there was a hotel nearby but even then it still wouldn't have happened as the attendees would most likely get attacked by the local youth, then again I've not been attacked for what I often wear around my neck yet. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: -1

10:55pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

mr.southampton wrote:
So basically the whole bulldozing of the old building which had run quite well for years has been a total waste of time and money. If memory serves wasn't Itchen College originally supposed to relocate to the site of the old Eastpoint building?
Your memory is about Itchen College is correct.
[quote][p][bold]mr.southampton[/bold] wrote: So basically the whole bulldozing of the old building which had run quite well for years has been a total waste of time and money. If memory serves wasn't Itchen College originally supposed to relocate to the site of the old Eastpoint building?[/p][/quote]Your memory is about Itchen College is correct. Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: 1

1:18am Thu 23 Jan 14

Dave Of The South says...

It's a business - it lost money - it shut - that's it ! It was very nice inside but totally in the wrong place. The "community bar" was just to keep the locals sweet. Turn the place into affordable homes - that's what the estate needs - not a "business meeting place".
It's a business - it lost money - it shut - that's it ! It was very nice inside but totally in the wrong place. The "community bar" was just to keep the locals sweet. Turn the place into affordable homes - that's what the estate needs - not a "business meeting place". Dave Of The South
  • Score: 4

9:30am Thu 23 Jan 14

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
loosehead wrote:
instead of wasting £200,000 on road signs & reducing speed limits in my estate which has no accidents to report in the 6 years I've lived here & no one especially council workers take a blind bit of notice of maybe they could have helped finance this & looked at ways to make it pay it's way?
That would require some common sense from the retards in the town hall & that ain't gonna happen any time soon!
They are just slowly killing our city.
souljacker there's very few roads where you can do over 20mph in my estate or even in the part of Millbrook Green Park estate where they've made it into a restricted area but just yesterday on the one stretch of St Boniface crescent where you can do any speed to council vans hammered down the road the very road the council has painted on the road & put up signs saying 20mph?
If this area had big wide roads with out speed humps or being limited to only one lane of traffic fine but it is like that here so why shelve out so much on what is common sense driving any way?
Take a look a`t Labour & this area isn't Royston A conservative councillor in Thornhill? is this Labours way of trying to lose Royston votes or to punish the people for voting tory as the unions did in the political strikes?
I'll let you come to your own conclusion!
Well loose we did warn that the Labour party will be no different from the Tory party, all the big partys need a sharp shock by the smaller partys, people need to get organise and vote in the smaller partys like the TUSC, the big 3 think they can get away with any thing and they can while they keep being voted into office
Dream on.

In fact £10 million would probably be a drop in the ocean compared to what your parties economic genius would flush away.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: instead of wasting £200,000 on road signs & reducing speed limits in my estate which has no accidents to report in the 6 years I've lived here & no one especially council workers take a blind bit of notice of maybe they could have helped finance this & looked at ways to make it pay it's way?[/p][/quote]That would require some common sense from the retards in the town hall & that ain't gonna happen any time soon! They are just slowly killing our city.[/p][/quote]souljacker there's very few roads where you can do over 20mph in my estate or even in the part of Millbrook Green Park estate where they've made it into a restricted area but just yesterday on the one stretch of St Boniface crescent where you can do any speed to council vans hammered down the road the very road the council has painted on the road & put up signs saying 20mph? If this area had big wide roads with out speed humps or being limited to only one lane of traffic fine but it is like that here so why shelve out so much on what is common sense driving any way? Take a look a`t Labour & this area isn't Royston A conservative councillor in Thornhill? is this Labours way of trying to lose Royston votes or to punish the people for voting tory as the unions did in the political strikes? I'll let you come to your own conclusion![/p][/quote]Well loose we did warn that the Labour party will be no different from the Tory party, all the big partys need a sharp shock by the smaller partys, people need to get organise and vote in the smaller partys like the TUSC, the big 3 think they can get away with any thing and they can while they keep being voted into office[/p][/quote]Dream on. In fact £10 million would probably be a drop in the ocean compared to what your parties economic genius would flush away. Shoong
  • Score: 0

10:00am Thu 23 Jan 14

Poppy22 says...

Dave Of The South wrote:
It's a business - it lost money - it shut - that's it ! It was very nice inside but totally in the wrong place. The "community bar" was just to keep the locals sweet. Turn the place into affordable homes - that's what the estate needs - not a "business meeting place".
Well said! Whoever thought that was the right location for a "conference centre" needs their head examining! Why did anyone think that would be an attractive location for such a venue????!
Yes, affordable housing there would be much better - an ideal site and much better than building on yet more green fields near Rownhams (Southampton Council) and on Bursledon's ancient meadows by the River Hamble and Manor Farm Country Park and Boorley Green (Eastleigh Council, who call the car boot sale site near Eastpoint and a former airfield "countryside"!).
We need to get these career politicians out and get some independent local people onto our local councils or we'll never get sensible decisions for local people, just the mainstream parties' huge-cost pet projects which fail after a very short time! (EG Keith House's quest to build as many unnecessary hotels as he can in the area ....!).
[quote][p][bold]Dave Of The South[/bold] wrote: It's a business - it lost money - it shut - that's it ! It was very nice inside but totally in the wrong place. The "community bar" was just to keep the locals sweet. Turn the place into affordable homes - that's what the estate needs - not a "business meeting place".[/p][/quote]Well said! Whoever thought that was the right location for a "conference centre" needs their head examining! Why did anyone think that would be an attractive location for such a venue????! Yes, affordable housing there would be much better - an ideal site and much better than building on yet more green fields near Rownhams (Southampton Council) and on Bursledon's ancient meadows by the River Hamble and Manor Farm Country Park and Boorley Green (Eastleigh Council, who call the car boot sale site near Eastpoint and a former airfield "countryside"!). We need to get these career politicians out and get some independent local people onto our local councils or we'll never get sensible decisions for local people, just the mainstream parties' huge-cost pet projects which fail after a very short time! (EG Keith House's quest to build as many unnecessary hotels as he can in the area ....!). Poppy22
  • Score: 1

10:27am Thu 23 Jan 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
More money wasted by the last Tory council ........ Current council expected to pick up the pieces .......... AGAIN. .
As socialist I may find what you have said music to my ears, but I also believe that socialists should also be fair, yes even to their opponents.

So may I ask what will you say if Tories start saying the same in defence of their and ConDem government and point out how may billions were wasted by Brown led NuLabour government?

You should not have snookered yourself, but should have stuck to hard fact. East Point was not run by Southampton Council. So buck stops with the limited company which owned and operated it.

Personally I feel sorry for people who are going lose their jobs and have some sympathy with board of directors, especially Paul ( I think he was still the MD). Because they genuinely wanted to provide the very best facilities to local community and other users of the centre. Those whom I spoke to when they decided to abandon the old building a create this superb centre may remember that my view was not to over reach. Why start fixing that is not broken and discard something that can be repaired. But in fairness to them the temptation of grants to uplift Thornhill Estate was too strong to resist, also at the same time state of economy virtually dried up the up market they were aiming for, while also providing affordable place to local community.
This is not about Blair Brown ........ this is about LOCAL TAXPAYERS money being tipped away.
.
Now you may be happy with that !!! ....... I am not.
.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: More money wasted by the last Tory council ........ Current council expected to pick up the pieces .......... AGAIN. .[/p][/quote]As socialist I may find what you have said music to my ears, but I also believe that socialists should also be fair, yes even to their opponents. So may I ask what will you say if Tories start saying the same in defence of their and ConDem government and point out how may billions were wasted by Brown led NuLabour government? You should not have snookered yourself, but should have stuck to hard fact. East Point was not run by Southampton Council. So buck stops with the limited company which owned and operated it. Personally I feel sorry for people who are going lose their jobs and have some sympathy with board of directors, especially Paul ( I think he was still the MD). Because they genuinely wanted to provide the very best facilities to local community and other users of the centre. Those whom I spoke to when they decided to abandon the old building a create this superb centre may remember that my view was not to over reach. Why start fixing that is not broken and discard something that can be repaired. But in fairness to them the temptation of grants to uplift Thornhill Estate was too strong to resist, also at the same time state of economy virtually dried up the up market they were aiming for, while also providing affordable place to local community.[/p][/quote]This is not about Blair Brown ........ this is about LOCAL TAXPAYERS money being tipped away. . Now you may be happy with that !!! ....... I am not. . Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 0

1:06pm Thu 23 Jan 14

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
loosehead wrote:
instead of wasting £200,000 on road signs & reducing speed limits in my estate which has no accidents to report in the 6 years I've lived here & no one especially council workers take a blind bit of notice of maybe they could have helped finance this & looked at ways to make it pay it's way?
That would require some common sense from the retards in the town hall & that ain't gonna happen any time soon!
They are just slowly killing our city.
souljacker there's very few roads where you can do over 20mph in my estate or even in the part of Millbrook Green Park estate where they've made it into a restricted area but just yesterday on the one stretch of St Boniface crescent where you can do any speed to council vans hammered down the road the very road the council has painted on the road & put up signs saying 20mph?
If this area had big wide roads with out speed humps or being limited to only one lane of traffic fine but it is like that here so why shelve out so much on what is common sense driving any way?
Take a look a`t Labour & this area isn't Royston A conservative councillor in Thornhill? is this Labours way of trying to lose Royston votes or to punish the people for voting tory as the unions did in the political strikes?
I'll let you come to your own conclusion!
Well loose we did warn that the Labour party will be no different from the Tory party, all the big partys need a sharp shock by the smaller partys, people need to get organise and vote in the smaller partys like the TUSC, the big 3 think they can get away with any thing and they can while they keep being voted into office
Dream on.

In fact £10 million would probably be a drop in the ocean compared to what your parties economic genius would flush away.
The Economy is more likely to improve and stay improving more so with the true Left wing, as a left wing economy is a slow control rise improving all the time, a Right wing is what you been seeing for the last 30 plus years, its lets make the quick buck and who cares what will happen tomorrow you get a big improvement and 10 times a bigger crash that never get back to the same level it rises a bit and falls more than the rise.
Left wing = long term economy
Right wing = short term economy
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: instead of wasting £200,000 on road signs & reducing speed limits in my estate which has no accidents to report in the 6 years I've lived here & no one especially council workers take a blind bit of notice of maybe they could have helped finance this & looked at ways to make it pay it's way?[/p][/quote]That would require some common sense from the retards in the town hall & that ain't gonna happen any time soon! They are just slowly killing our city.[/p][/quote]souljacker there's very few roads where you can do over 20mph in my estate or even in the part of Millbrook Green Park estate where they've made it into a restricted area but just yesterday on the one stretch of St Boniface crescent where you can do any speed to council vans hammered down the road the very road the council has painted on the road & put up signs saying 20mph? If this area had big wide roads with out speed humps or being limited to only one lane of traffic fine but it is like that here so why shelve out so much on what is common sense driving any way? Take a look a`t Labour & this area isn't Royston A conservative councillor in Thornhill? is this Labours way of trying to lose Royston votes or to punish the people for voting tory as the unions did in the political strikes? I'll let you come to your own conclusion![/p][/quote]Well loose we did warn that the Labour party will be no different from the Tory party, all the big partys need a sharp shock by the smaller partys, people need to get organise and vote in the smaller partys like the TUSC, the big 3 think they can get away with any thing and they can while they keep being voted into office[/p][/quote]Dream on. In fact £10 million would probably be a drop in the ocean compared to what your parties economic genius would flush away.[/p][/quote]The Economy is more likely to improve and stay improving more so with the true Left wing, as a left wing economy is a slow control rise improving all the time, a Right wing is what you been seeing for the last 30 plus years, its lets make the quick buck and who cares what will happen tomorrow you get a big improvement and 10 times a bigger crash that never get back to the same level it rises a bit and falls more than the rise. Left wing = long term economy Right wing = short term economy southy
  • Score: 1

2:37pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
More money wasted by the last Tory council ........ Current council expected to pick up the pieces .......... AGAIN. .
As socialist I may find what you have said music to my ears, but I also believe that socialists should also be fair, yes even to their opponents.

So may I ask what will you say if Tories start saying the same in defence of their and ConDem government and point out how may billions were wasted by Brown led NuLabour government?

You should not have snookered yourself, but should have stuck to hard fact. East Point was not run by Southampton Council. So buck stops with the limited company which owned and operated it.

Personally I feel sorry for people who are going lose their jobs and have some sympathy with board of directors, especially Paul ( I think he was still the MD). Because they genuinely wanted to provide the very best facilities to local community and other users of the centre. Those whom I spoke to when they decided to abandon the old building a create this superb centre may remember that my view was not to over reach. Why start fixing that is not broken and discard something that can be repaired. But in fairness to them the temptation of grants to uplift Thornhill Estate was too strong to resist, also at the same time state of economy virtually dried up the up market they were aiming for, while also providing affordable place to local community.
This is not about Blair Brown ........ this is about LOCAL TAXPAYERS money being tipped away.
.
Now you may be happy with that !!! ....... I am not.
.
As apologist for NuLabour you are deliberately avoiding the point and without any proof trying to create the impression that I do not care about what you call "local tax payer's money being tipped away"

What makes you think that local people did not contribute to national coffers from which your darlings Blair and Brown wasted billions on helping their super rich buddies, the bankers and illegal and immoral wars etc?

So if you decide to start political tribal war by blaming the local Tories then in my view they too may decide to remind you about the record of your lot at national level, for which and much more Miliband and co now keep on apologising.

Strangely you appear to be conveniently avoiding the implications of closure of East Point on local communities, who will lose badly needed community centre. But unlike you I do care because when John Denham campaigned hard for the needs of people in the area I supported him.

Are your local NuLabourite mates who run the Council going to provide another place for people in that part of the city, or not?

You will have to check the facts just in case I may be wrong, but I am under the impression that East Point was not getting any money from the Council and did not own the new building, which was owned by somebody else. The East Point was paying just over £100,000 yearly rent and some costs. They were in fact basically subsidising facilities for local community (which a decent Council should be providing) out of their other business, which was not enough but was picking up. So it may simply been a cash flow problem.

If the Council has to fill the gap in services for people it probably will cost much more on yearly basis than the cost of helping East Point with rent. But you will have to check if they approached Council for help or not. But considering some councillors were also involved with East Point's board I will be surprised if they did not know many times more than lay person like me.

The landlords of the place could also have decreased the rent, for a while til the business side improved, because now they will be left with empty expensive building. May be they have some other plans so wanted to get rid of East Point.

The net looser are the workers and people of the area. I feel sorry for them, so will be interesting to know what councillors of the area will be doing to help.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: More money wasted by the last Tory council ........ Current council expected to pick up the pieces .......... AGAIN. .[/p][/quote]As socialist I may find what you have said music to my ears, but I also believe that socialists should also be fair, yes even to their opponents. So may I ask what will you say if Tories start saying the same in defence of their and ConDem government and point out how may billions were wasted by Brown led NuLabour government? You should not have snookered yourself, but should have stuck to hard fact. East Point was not run by Southampton Council. So buck stops with the limited company which owned and operated it. Personally I feel sorry for people who are going lose their jobs and have some sympathy with board of directors, especially Paul ( I think he was still the MD). Because they genuinely wanted to provide the very best facilities to local community and other users of the centre. Those whom I spoke to when they decided to abandon the old building a create this superb centre may remember that my view was not to over reach. Why start fixing that is not broken and discard something that can be repaired. But in fairness to them the temptation of grants to uplift Thornhill Estate was too strong to resist, also at the same time state of economy virtually dried up the up market they were aiming for, while also providing affordable place to local community.[/p][/quote]This is not about Blair Brown ........ this is about LOCAL TAXPAYERS money being tipped away. . Now you may be happy with that !!! ....... I am not. .[/p][/quote]As apologist for NuLabour you are deliberately avoiding the point and without any proof trying to create the impression that I do not care about what you call "local tax payer's money being tipped away" What makes you think that local people did not contribute to national coffers from which your darlings Blair and Brown wasted billions on helping their super rich buddies, the bankers and illegal and immoral wars etc? So if you decide to start political tribal war by blaming the local Tories then in my view they too may decide to remind you about the record of your lot at national level, for which and much more Miliband and co now keep on apologising. Strangely you appear to be conveniently avoiding the implications of closure of East Point on local communities, who will lose badly needed community centre. But unlike you I do care because when John Denham campaigned hard for the needs of people in the area I supported him. Are your local NuLabourite mates who run the Council going to provide another place for people in that part of the city, or not? You will have to check the facts just in case I may be wrong, but I am under the impression that East Point was not getting any money from the Council and did not own the new building, which was owned by somebody else. The East Point was paying just over £100,000 yearly rent and some costs. They were in fact basically subsidising facilities for local community (which a decent Council should be providing) out of their other business, which was not enough but was picking up. So it may simply been a cash flow problem. If the Council has to fill the gap in services for people it probably will cost much more on yearly basis than the cost of helping East Point with rent. But you will have to check if they approached Council for help or not. But considering some councillors were also involved with East Point's board I will be surprised if they did not know many times more than lay person like me. The landlords of the place could also have decreased the rent, for a while til the business side improved, because now they will be left with empty expensive building. May be they have some other plans so wanted to get rid of East Point. The net looser are the workers and people of the area. I feel sorry for them, so will be interesting to know what councillors of the area will be doing to help. Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: 0

11:00pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Dave Of The South says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
More money wasted by the last Tory council ........ Current council expected to pick up the pieces .......... AGAIN. .
As socialist I may find what you have said music to my ears, but I also believe that socialists should also be fair, yes even to their opponents.

So may I ask what will you say if Tories start saying the same in defence of their and ConDem government and point out how may billions were wasted by Brown led NuLabour government?

You should not have snookered yourself, but should have stuck to hard fact. East Point was not run by Southampton Council. So buck stops with the limited company which owned and operated it.

Personally I feel sorry for people who are going lose their jobs and have some sympathy with board of directors, especially Paul ( I think he was still the MD). Because they genuinely wanted to provide the very best facilities to local community and other users of the centre. Those whom I spoke to when they decided to abandon the old building a create this superb centre may remember that my view was not to over reach. Why start fixing that is not broken and discard something that can be repaired. But in fairness to them the temptation of grants to uplift Thornhill Estate was too strong to resist, also at the same time state of economy virtually dried up the up market they were aiming for, while also providing affordable place to local community.
This is not about Blair Brown ........ this is about LOCAL TAXPAYERS money being tipped away.
.
Now you may be happy with that !!! ....... I am not.
.
As apologist for NuLabour you are deliberately avoiding the point and without any proof trying to create the impression that I do not care about what you call "local tax payer's money being tipped away"

What makes you think that local people did not contribute to national coffers from which your darlings Blair and Brown wasted billions on helping their super rich buddies, the bankers and illegal and immoral wars etc?

So if you decide to start political tribal war by blaming the local Tories then in my view they too may decide to remind you about the record of your lot at national level, for which and much more Miliband and co now keep on apologising.

Strangely you appear to be conveniently avoiding the implications of closure of East Point on local communities, who will lose badly needed community centre. But unlike you I do care because when John Denham campaigned hard for the needs of people in the area I supported him.

Are your local NuLabourite mates who run the Council going to provide another place for people in that part of the city, or not?

You will have to check the facts just in case I may be wrong, but I am under the impression that East Point was not getting any money from the Council and did not own the new building, which was owned by somebody else. The East Point was paying just over £100,000 yearly rent and some costs. They were in fact basically subsidising facilities for local community (which a decent Council should be providing) out of their other business, which was not enough but was picking up. So it may simply been a cash flow problem.

If the Council has to fill the gap in services for people it probably will cost much more on yearly basis than the cost of helping East Point with rent. But you will have to check if they approached Council for help or not. But considering some councillors were also involved with East Point's board I will be surprised if they did not know many times more than lay person like me.

The landlords of the place could also have decreased the rent, for a while til the business side improved, because now they will be left with empty expensive building. May be they have some other plans so wanted to get rid of East Point.

The net looser are the workers and people of the area. I feel sorry for them, so will be interesting to know what councillors of the area will be doing to help.
"The net looser are the workers and people of the area. I feel sorry for them, so will be interesting to know what Councillors of the area will be doing to help. "Probably trying to improve the English standards of the local people. It's losers not looser.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: More money wasted by the last Tory council ........ Current council expected to pick up the pieces .......... AGAIN. .[/p][/quote]As socialist I may find what you have said music to my ears, but I also believe that socialists should also be fair, yes even to their opponents. So may I ask what will you say if Tories start saying the same in defence of their and ConDem government and point out how may billions were wasted by Brown led NuLabour government? You should not have snookered yourself, but should have stuck to hard fact. East Point was not run by Southampton Council. So buck stops with the limited company which owned and operated it. Personally I feel sorry for people who are going lose their jobs and have some sympathy with board of directors, especially Paul ( I think he was still the MD). Because they genuinely wanted to provide the very best facilities to local community and other users of the centre. Those whom I spoke to when they decided to abandon the old building a create this superb centre may remember that my view was not to over reach. Why start fixing that is not broken and discard something that can be repaired. But in fairness to them the temptation of grants to uplift Thornhill Estate was too strong to resist, also at the same time state of economy virtually dried up the up market they were aiming for, while also providing affordable place to local community.[/p][/quote]This is not about Blair Brown ........ this is about LOCAL TAXPAYERS money being tipped away. . Now you may be happy with that !!! ....... I am not. .[/p][/quote]As apologist for NuLabour you are deliberately avoiding the point and without any proof trying to create the impression that I do not care about what you call "local tax payer's money being tipped away" What makes you think that local people did not contribute to national coffers from which your darlings Blair and Brown wasted billions on helping their super rich buddies, the bankers and illegal and immoral wars etc? So if you decide to start political tribal war by blaming the local Tories then in my view they too may decide to remind you about the record of your lot at national level, for which and much more Miliband and co now keep on apologising. Strangely you appear to be conveniently avoiding the implications of closure of East Point on local communities, who will lose badly needed community centre. But unlike you I do care because when John Denham campaigned hard for the needs of people in the area I supported him. Are your local NuLabourite mates who run the Council going to provide another place for people in that part of the city, or not? You will have to check the facts just in case I may be wrong, but I am under the impression that East Point was not getting any money from the Council and did not own the new building, which was owned by somebody else. The East Point was paying just over £100,000 yearly rent and some costs. They were in fact basically subsidising facilities for local community (which a decent Council should be providing) out of their other business, which was not enough but was picking up. So it may simply been a cash flow problem. If the Council has to fill the gap in services for people it probably will cost much more on yearly basis than the cost of helping East Point with rent. But you will have to check if they approached Council for help or not. But considering some councillors were also involved with East Point's board I will be surprised if they did not know many times more than lay person like me. The landlords of the place could also have decreased the rent, for a while til the business side improved, because now they will be left with empty expensive building. May be they have some other plans so wanted to get rid of East Point. The net looser are the workers and people of the area. I feel sorry for them, so will be interesting to know what councillors of the area will be doing to help.[/p][/quote]"The net looser are the workers and people of the area. I feel sorry for them, so will be interesting to know what Councillors of the area will be doing to help. "Probably trying to improve the English standards of the local people. It's losers not looser. Dave Of The South
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8:15am Fri 24 Jan 14

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Poppy22 wrote:
Dave Of The South wrote:
It's a business - it lost money - it shut - that's it ! It was very nice inside but totally in the wrong place. The "community bar" was just to keep the locals sweet. Turn the place into affordable homes - that's what the estate needs - not a "business meeting place".
Well said! Whoever thought that was the right location for a "conference centre" needs their head examining! Why did anyone think that would be an attractive location for such a venue????!
Yes, affordable housing there would be much better - an ideal site and much better than building on yet more green fields near Rownhams (Southampton Council) and on Bursledon's ancient meadows by the River Hamble and Manor Farm Country Park and Boorley Green (Eastleigh Council, who call the car boot sale site near Eastpoint and a former airfield "countryside"!).
We need to get these career politicians out and get some independent local people onto our local councils or we'll never get sensible decisions for local people, just the mainstream parties' huge-cost pet projects which fail after a very short time! (EG Keith House's quest to build as many unnecessary hotels as he can in the area ....!).
poppy if I'm not wrong & if I didn't go over to Nursling hall to see the models & in support of Nursling & Rownhams residents to oppose Barker Mills building these homes & a bit of green space which was the buffer between them & Southampton being lost then is this development in Redbridge Lane? as if it is it's not Southampton City Council who's doing it but Barker Mills.
Here's a facility which should be for the whole of the area to use. it needs to be self funding & weddings & maybe a few sports teams would ensure that so leaving a facility for the community to use.
Why anyone would want to build more social housing here with no facility like a community centre gets me?
[quote][p][bold]Poppy22[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Of The South[/bold] wrote: It's a business - it lost money - it shut - that's it ! It was very nice inside but totally in the wrong place. The "community bar" was just to keep the locals sweet. Turn the place into affordable homes - that's what the estate needs - not a "business meeting place".[/p][/quote]Well said! Whoever thought that was the right location for a "conference centre" needs their head examining! Why did anyone think that would be an attractive location for such a venue????! Yes, affordable housing there would be much better - an ideal site and much better than building on yet more green fields near Rownhams (Southampton Council) and on Bursledon's ancient meadows by the River Hamble and Manor Farm Country Park and Boorley Green (Eastleigh Council, who call the car boot sale site near Eastpoint and a former airfield "countryside"!). We need to get these career politicians out and get some independent local people onto our local councils or we'll never get sensible decisions for local people, just the mainstream parties' huge-cost pet projects which fail after a very short time! (EG Keith House's quest to build as many unnecessary hotels as he can in the area ....!).[/p][/quote]poppy if I'm not wrong & if I didn't go over to Nursling hall to see the models & in support of Nursling & Rownhams residents to oppose Barker Mills building these homes & a bit of green space which was the buffer between them & Southampton being lost then is this development in Redbridge Lane? as if it is it's not Southampton City Council who's doing it but Barker Mills. Here's a facility which should be for the whole of the area to use. it needs to be self funding & weddings & maybe a few sports teams would ensure that so leaving a facility for the community to use. Why anyone would want to build more social housing here with no facility like a community centre gets me? loosehead
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