Telecoms firms join forces to create up to 70 jobs

Hampshire Chronicle: Staff celebrate the merger. Staff celebrate the merger.

A JOBS bonanza is under way today after two Hampshire firms announced a multi-million-pound merger.

Up to 70 new jobs are being created after Premier Telecom and Business Phones Direct joined forces to become OneCom.

The new business will instantly have a turnover of more than £40m and, with the extra staff now needed, will create a workforce of nearly 300.

Around 50 of the posts will be in sales, while the rest will be customer service roles. The new firm will still be based in existing offices in Solent Business Park, Whiteley.

‘Brilliant news’ The recruitment drive has been hailed “brilliant news” for the area and comes just weeks after Whiteley Shopping Centre opened its doors, creating more than 1,000 jobs.

Premier Telecom, which also has offices in Southampton, is one of the largest independent providers of mobile communications solutions in the country, with a client list which includes London Transport, NHS and Hampshire-based DIY giant B&Q.

For the last two years, it has appeared in the prestigious Sunday Times Tech Track 100, which ranks Britain’s private tech companies with the fastest-growing sales.

Business Phones Direct is an independent business phone company trading with small and medium-sized enterprises across the UK for more than a decade.

OneCom’s new chief executive, Darren Ridge, said: “We will retain our local focus through our regional offices across the UK, offering a level of ongoing support and proactive account management normally only delivered by smaller businesses.

“This commitment to customer service will be complemented by the competitiveness and buying power of a business with a multi-million-pound turnover.

“The plan now is to continue with our historic service, delivering quality and value for mobile, tablet and Internet, and also to continue to expand the device management integrated elements of the business with a focus on consultancy and innovation.”

Jimmy Chestnutt, chief executive of Hampshire Chamber of Commerce, added: “The telecoms business is very tough at the moment, very competitive and very dynamic.

“It makes perfect sense for two companies doing so well to combine and build on each other’s strengths, taking each other to another level.”

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12:28pm Thu 4 Jul 13

Jayne388 says...

Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ?

Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense.

We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future.

All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash !
Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ? Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense. We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future. All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash ! Jayne388
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12:35pm Thu 4 Jul 13

St.Winch70 says...

Jayne388 wrote:
Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ?

Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense.

We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future.

All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash !
A fine display of ignorance - well done.
[quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ? Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense. We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future. All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash ![/p][/quote]A fine display of ignorance - well done. St.Winch70
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12:52pm Thu 4 Jul 13

mark.baker says...

I am want to work and I could do this job. I will give them a shout :-)
I am want to work and I could do this job. I will give them a shout :-) mark.baker
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1:25pm Thu 4 Jul 13

Jayne388 says...

St.Winch70 wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ?

Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense.

We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future.

All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash !
A fine display of ignorance - well done.
Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder !

I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it !

Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !
[quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ? Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense. We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future. All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash ![/p][/quote]A fine display of ignorance - well done.[/p][/quote]Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder ! I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it ! Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where ! Jayne388
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1:51pm Thu 4 Jul 13

Vote 4 Pedro says...

Jayne388 says...
1:25pm Thu 4 Jul 13

St.Winch70 wrote:

Jayne388 wrote:
Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ?

Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense.

We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future.

All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash !

A fine display of ignorance - well done.

Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder !

I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it !

Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !”


Possibly you might be right, but from a purely buisness standpoint why would and company in their right mind manufacturer products in Britain whereas they can manufacture in China for a fraction of the price?

I believe I can recall reading that if Apple, for example, were to insource all their manufacturing back to America, the current version of the iPad would in turn increase in price from $600 to about $10,000.
[quote]Jayne388 says... 1:25pm Thu 4 Jul 13 [quote]St.Winch70 wrote: [quote]Jayne388 wrote: Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ? Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense. We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future. All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash ![/quote] A fine display of ignorance - well done.[/quote] Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder ! I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it ! Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !” [/quote] Possibly you might be right, but from a purely buisness standpoint why would and company in their right mind manufacturer products in Britain whereas they can manufacture in China for a fraction of the price? I believe I can recall reading that if Apple, for example, were to insource all their manufacturing back to America, the current version of the iPad would in turn increase in price from $600 to about $10,000. Vote 4 Pedro
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1:59pm Thu 4 Jul 13

lowe esteem says...

Oh the paradox that is telecommunications. There's always some complete stranger to phone you with some inane sales talk in your time, yet you get recorded messages, robotic multiple-choice button options and music you'd never ask to listen to when you actually want to communicate directly with another member of the human race for some help or service.
Did you know young people, that Helpdesks and Customer Services weren't originally intended to be voicemail systems?
Thank you Rant Line!
Oh the paradox that is telecommunications. There's always some complete stranger to phone you with some inane sales talk in your time, yet you get recorded messages, robotic multiple-choice button options and music you'd never ask to listen to when you actually want to communicate directly with another member of the human race for some help or service. Did you know young people, that Helpdesks and Customer Services weren't originally intended to be voicemail systems? Thank you Rant Line! lowe esteem
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2:39pm Thu 4 Jul 13

Shoong says...

Jayne388 wrote:
Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ?

Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense.

We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future.

All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash !
So, in other words, you wouldn't get out of bed for it.

That's the spirit!
[quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ? Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense. We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future. All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash ![/p][/quote]So, in other words, you wouldn't get out of bed for it. That's the spirit! Shoong
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2:56pm Thu 4 Jul 13

mark.baker says...

Shoong wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ?

Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense.

We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future.

All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash !
So, in other words, you wouldn't get out of bed for it.

That's the spirit!
I am on and off the the internet phone ect ect all day. I must have applied for 20 jobs in the last 24 hrs. At my wits end trying to get a job. Then you see these council people on strike in town and i feel like shouting "think yourselves lucky you have jobs" After paying my bills i am left with £30 a fortnight to feed myself. Really had enough!
I left home thinking i could stay in manufacturing all my life like my dad did working for GKN Westlands. The world changes.
A job is a job.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ? Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense. We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future. All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash ![/p][/quote]So, in other words, you wouldn't get out of bed for it. That's the spirit![/p][/quote]I am on and off the the internet phone ect ect all day. I must have applied for 20 jobs in the last 24 hrs. At my wits end trying to get a job. Then you see these council people on strike in town and i feel like shouting "think yourselves lucky you have jobs" After paying my bills i am left with £30 a fortnight to feed myself. Really had enough! I left home thinking i could stay in manufacturing all my life like my dad did working for GKN Westlands. The world changes. A job is a job. mark.baker
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3:06pm Thu 4 Jul 13

Jayne388 says...

Vote 4 Pedro wrote:
Jayne388 says...
1:25pm Thu 4 Jul 13

St.Winch70 wrote:

Jayne388 wrote:
Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ?

Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense.

We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future.

All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash !

A fine display of ignorance - well done.

Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder !

I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it !

Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !”


Possibly you might be right, but from a purely buisness standpoint why would and company in their right mind manufacturer products in Britain whereas they can manufacture in China for a fraction of the price?

I believe I can recall reading that if Apple, for example, were to insource all their manufacturing back to America, the current version of the iPad would in turn increase in price from $600 to about $10,000.
From $600 to $10,000........do you really believe that ? Somewhere an extra 0 has been added, I think !

Business interests cannot be allowed to destroy the integrity of a country. Eventually the ordinary people will rebel against the tyranny of pure financial interest - they always have in the past !

Without manufacturing, you deprive the working classes of a huge range of skilled occupations that give them an interest in life, and something worth doing. Condemning the workforce to a life of sales, service, or clerical work is unreasonable. That sort of work is fine if you like it, but where is the choice ? Where are the alternatives ?

We do not have to accept the life that is thrown at us, nor the bullsh*t to justify it.
[quote][p][bold]Vote 4 Pedro[/bold] wrote: [quote]Jayne388 says... 1:25pm Thu 4 Jul 13 [quote]St.Winch70 wrote: [quote]Jayne388 wrote: Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ? Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense. We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future. All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash ![/quote] A fine display of ignorance - well done.[/quote] Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder ! I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it ! Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !” [/quote] Possibly you might be right, but from a purely buisness standpoint why would and company in their right mind manufacturer products in Britain whereas they can manufacture in China for a fraction of the price? I believe I can recall reading that if Apple, for example, were to insource all their manufacturing back to America, the current version of the iPad would in turn increase in price from $600 to about $10,000.[/p][/quote]From $600 to $10,000........do you really believe that ? Somewhere an extra 0 has been added, I think ! Business interests cannot be allowed to destroy the integrity of a country. Eventually the ordinary people will rebel against the tyranny of pure financial interest - they always have in the past ! Without manufacturing, you deprive the working classes of a huge range of skilled occupations that give them an interest in life, and something worth doing. Condemning the workforce to a life of sales, service, or clerical work is unreasonable. That sort of work is fine if you like it, but where is the choice ? Where are the alternatives ? We do not have to accept the life that is thrown at us, nor the bullsh*t to justify it. Jayne388
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3:14pm Thu 4 Jul 13

Jesus_02 says...

St.Winch70 wrote:
Jayne388 wrote: Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ? Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense. We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future. All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash !
A fine display of ignorance - well done.
See Jayne388 is as popular as ever...!Welcome to the future...you have just insulted half the population.
[quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ? Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense. We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future. All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash ![/p][/quote]A fine display of ignorance - well done.[/p][/quote]See Jayne388 is as popular as ever...!Welcome to the future...you have just insulted half the population. Jesus_02
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3:17pm Thu 4 Jul 13

Jesus_02 says...

Jayne388 wrote:
Vote 4 Pedro wrote:
Jayne388 says... 1:25pm Thu 4 Jul 13
St.Winch70 wrote:
Jayne388 wrote: Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ? Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense. We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future. All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash !
A fine display of ignorance - well done.
Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder ! I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it ! Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !”
Possibly you might be right, but from a purely buisness standpoint why would and company in their right mind manufacturer products in Britain whereas they can manufacture in China for a fraction of the price? I believe I can recall reading that if Apple, for example, were to insource all their manufacturing back to America, the current version of the iPad would in turn increase in price from $600 to about $10,000.
From $600 to $10,000........do you really believe that ? Somewhere an extra 0 has been added, I think ! Business interests cannot be allowed to destroy the integrity of a country. Eventually the ordinary people will rebel against the tyranny of pure financial interest - they always have in the past ! Without manufacturing, you deprive the working classes of a huge range of skilled occupations that give them an interest in life, and something worth doing. Condemning the workforce to a life of sales, service, or clerical work is unreasonable. That sort of work is fine if you like it, but where is the choice ? Where are the alternatives ? We do not have to accept the life that is thrown at us, nor the bullsh*t to justify it.
Pedro - don’t bother with this one. If she thinks your Spanish, she assumes that you are retarded!
[quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vote 4 Pedro[/bold] wrote: [quote]Jayne388 says... 1:25pm Thu 4 Jul 13 [quote]St.Winch70 wrote: [quote]Jayne388 wrote: Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ? Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense. We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future. All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash ![/quote] A fine display of ignorance - well done.[/quote] Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder ! I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it ! Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !” [/quote] Possibly you might be right, but from a purely buisness standpoint why would and company in their right mind manufacturer products in Britain whereas they can manufacture in China for a fraction of the price? I believe I can recall reading that if Apple, for example, were to insource all their manufacturing back to America, the current version of the iPad would in turn increase in price from $600 to about $10,000.[/p][/quote]From $600 to $10,000........do you really believe that ? Somewhere an extra 0 has been added, I think ! Business interests cannot be allowed to destroy the integrity of a country. Eventually the ordinary people will rebel against the tyranny of pure financial interest - they always have in the past ! Without manufacturing, you deprive the working classes of a huge range of skilled occupations that give them an interest in life, and something worth doing. Condemning the workforce to a life of sales, service, or clerical work is unreasonable. That sort of work is fine if you like it, but where is the choice ? Where are the alternatives ? We do not have to accept the life that is thrown at us, nor the bullsh*t to justify it.[/p][/quote]Pedro - don’t bother with this one. If she thinks your Spanish, she assumes that you are retarded! Jesus_02
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3:28pm Thu 4 Jul 13

Jayne388 says...

Once again the low-life, scumbag schoolboys are back with their usual brand of lies, bullsh*t, and fake ID's.

At least Billy The Kid was interesting and entertaining.

You, on the other hand, are shallow, empty, with nothing of any value to say !
Once again the low-life, scumbag schoolboys are back with their usual brand of lies, bullsh*t, and fake ID's. At least Billy The Kid was interesting and entertaining. You, on the other hand, are shallow, empty, with nothing of any value to say ! Jayne388
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3:36pm Thu 4 Jul 13

S!monOn says...

Jayne388 wrote:
Vote 4 Pedro wrote:
Jayne388 says...
1:25pm Thu 4 Jul 13

St.Winch70 wrote:

Jayne388 wrote:
Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ?

Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense.

We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future.

All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash !

A fine display of ignorance - well done.

Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder !

I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it !

Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !”


Possibly you might be right, but from a purely buisness standpoint why would and company in their right mind manufacturer products in Britain whereas they can manufacture in China for a fraction of the price?

I believe I can recall reading that if Apple, for example, were to insource all their manufacturing back to America, the current version of the iPad would in turn increase in price from $600 to about $10,000.
From $600 to $10,000........do you really believe that ? Somewhere an extra 0 has been added, I think !

Business interests cannot be allowed to destroy the integrity of a country. Eventually the ordinary people will rebel against the tyranny of pure financial interest - they always have in the past !

Without manufacturing, you deprive the working classes of a huge range of skilled occupations that give them an interest in life, and something worth doing. Condemning the workforce to a life of sales, service, or clerical work is unreasonable. That sort of work is fine if you like it, but where is the choice ? Where are the alternatives ?

We do not have to accept the life that is thrown at us, nor the bullsh*t to justify it.
You really need to stop living in the past and face the future.
[quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vote 4 Pedro[/bold] wrote: [quote]Jayne388 says... 1:25pm Thu 4 Jul 13 [quote]St.Winch70 wrote: [quote]Jayne388 wrote: Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ? Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense. We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future. All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash ![/quote] A fine display of ignorance - well done.[/quote] Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder ! I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it ! Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !” [/quote] Possibly you might be right, but from a purely buisness standpoint why would and company in their right mind manufacturer products in Britain whereas they can manufacture in China for a fraction of the price? I believe I can recall reading that if Apple, for example, were to insource all their manufacturing back to America, the current version of the iPad would in turn increase in price from $600 to about $10,000.[/p][/quote]From $600 to $10,000........do you really believe that ? Somewhere an extra 0 has been added, I think ! Business interests cannot be allowed to destroy the integrity of a country. Eventually the ordinary people will rebel against the tyranny of pure financial interest - they always have in the past ! Without manufacturing, you deprive the working classes of a huge range of skilled occupations that give them an interest in life, and something worth doing. Condemning the workforce to a life of sales, service, or clerical work is unreasonable. That sort of work is fine if you like it, but where is the choice ? Where are the alternatives ? We do not have to accept the life that is thrown at us, nor the bullsh*t to justify it.[/p][/quote]You really need to stop living in the past and face the future. S!monOn
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3:39pm Thu 4 Jul 13

Jesus_02 says...

Jayne388 wrote:
Once again the low-life, scumbag schoolboys are back with their usual brand of lies, bullsh*t, and fake ID's. At least Billy The Kid was interesting and entertaining. You, on the other hand, are shallow, empty, with nothing of any value to say !
"We need careers for people, not odd LOL - (that means you made me laugh BTW (that means "by the way" BTW))

Sorry to dissapoint you Jayne388 but it isnt the real Billy The Kid

"We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future"

From a teacher of 30years

"those who can't" Jayne "those who cant"
[quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: Once again the low-life, scumbag schoolboys are back with their usual brand of lies, bullsh*t, and fake ID's. At least Billy The Kid was interesting and entertaining. You, on the other hand, are shallow, empty, with nothing of any value to say ![/p][/quote]"We need careers for people, not odd LOL - (that means you made me laugh BTW (that means "by the way" BTW)) Sorry to dissapoint you Jayne388 but it isnt the real Billy The Kid "We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future" From a teacher of 30years "those who can't" Jayne "those who cant" Jesus_02
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3:40pm Thu 4 Jul 13

The Phantomerer says...

Jobs Bonanza. Staring Lorne Green.

Do do do do do do do do do do do do doo doo, do do do do de de do do do do do do doo diddly do (that sort of thing).

As Ben Cartwright said: "The gold rush was over, gone like a soap bubble in the sun. The Ponderosa was just as it has always been. And we went home."
Jobs Bonanza. Staring Lorne Green. Do do do do do do do do do do do do doo doo, do do do do de de do do do do do do doo diddly do (that sort of thing). As Ben Cartwright said: "The gold rush was over, gone like a soap bubble in the sun. The Ponderosa was just as it has always been. And we went home." The Phantomerer
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3:41pm Thu 4 Jul 13

Jesus_02 says...

* odd jobs"
* odd jobs" Jesus_02
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4:14pm Thu 4 Jul 13

Jayne388 says...

S!monOn wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
Vote 4 Pedro wrote:
Jayne388 says...
1:25pm Thu 4 Jul 13

St.Winch70 wrote:

Jayne388 wrote:
Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ?

Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense.

We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future.

All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash !

A fine display of ignorance - well done.

Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder !

I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it !

Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !”


Possibly you might be right, but from a purely buisness standpoint why would and company in their right mind manufacturer products in Britain whereas they can manufacture in China for a fraction of the price?

I believe I can recall reading that if Apple, for example, were to insource all their manufacturing back to America, the current version of the iPad would in turn increase in price from $600 to about $10,000.
From $600 to $10,000........do you really believe that ? Somewhere an extra 0 has been added, I think !

Business interests cannot be allowed to destroy the integrity of a country. Eventually the ordinary people will rebel against the tyranny of pure financial interest - they always have in the past !

Without manufacturing, you deprive the working classes of a huge range of skilled occupations that give them an interest in life, and something worth doing. Condemning the workforce to a life of sales, service, or clerical work is unreasonable. That sort of work is fine if you like it, but where is the choice ? Where are the alternatives ?

We do not have to accept the life that is thrown at us, nor the bullsh*t to justify it.
You really need to stop living in the past and face the future.
Tell that to the kids of the future who have to do these tedious, menial jobs. I have a shrewd suspicion of what they will say !
[quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vote 4 Pedro[/bold] wrote: [quote]Jayne388 says... 1:25pm Thu 4 Jul 13 [quote]St.Winch70 wrote: [quote]Jayne388 wrote: Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ? Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense. We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future. All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash ![/quote] A fine display of ignorance - well done.[/quote] Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder ! I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it ! Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !” [/quote] Possibly you might be right, but from a purely buisness standpoint why would and company in their right mind manufacturer products in Britain whereas they can manufacture in China for a fraction of the price? I believe I can recall reading that if Apple, for example, were to insource all their manufacturing back to America, the current version of the iPad would in turn increase in price from $600 to about $10,000.[/p][/quote]From $600 to $10,000........do you really believe that ? Somewhere an extra 0 has been added, I think ! Business interests cannot be allowed to destroy the integrity of a country. Eventually the ordinary people will rebel against the tyranny of pure financial interest - they always have in the past ! Without manufacturing, you deprive the working classes of a huge range of skilled occupations that give them an interest in life, and something worth doing. Condemning the workforce to a life of sales, service, or clerical work is unreasonable. That sort of work is fine if you like it, but where is the choice ? Where are the alternatives ? We do not have to accept the life that is thrown at us, nor the bullsh*t to justify it.[/p][/quote]You really need to stop living in the past and face the future.[/p][/quote]Tell that to the kids of the future who have to do these tedious, menial jobs. I have a shrewd suspicion of what they will say ! Jayne388
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4:22pm Thu 4 Jul 13

Jayne388 says...

Jesus_02 wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
Once again the low-life, scumbag schoolboys are back with their usual brand of lies, bullsh*t, and fake ID's. At least Billy The Kid was interesting and entertaining. You, on the other hand, are shallow, empty, with nothing of any value to say !
"We need careers for people, not odd LOL - (that means you made me laugh BTW (that means "by the way" BTW))

Sorry to dissapoint you Jayne388 but it isnt the real Billy The Kid

"We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future"

From a teacher of 30years

"those who can't" Jayne "those who cant"
Try to focus on the subject and not on trying to outwit me. With the latter, you have no chance.

Wept much lately ?

By the way, who told you I was a teacher ? Where did you get the 30 years from ? You clearly have some information from earlier posts, so under what name did you post then ?
You have proved me right in that you are using this current nickname to take the pi$$. Why did you bother ? You have nothing intelligent or witty to say, have you ?
[quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: Once again the low-life, scumbag schoolboys are back with their usual brand of lies, bullsh*t, and fake ID's. At least Billy The Kid was interesting and entertaining. You, on the other hand, are shallow, empty, with nothing of any value to say ![/p][/quote]"We need careers for people, not odd LOL - (that means you made me laugh BTW (that means "by the way" BTW)) Sorry to dissapoint you Jayne388 but it isnt the real Billy The Kid "We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future" From a teacher of 30years "those who can't" Jayne "those who cant"[/p][/quote]Try to focus on the subject and not on trying to outwit me. With the latter, you have no chance. Wept much lately ? By the way, who told you I was a teacher ? Where did you get the 30 years from ? You clearly have some information from earlier posts, so under what name did you post then ? You have proved me right in that you are using this current nickname to take the pi$$. Why did you bother ? You have nothing intelligent or witty to say, have you ? Jayne388
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4:31pm Thu 4 Jul 13

S!monOn says...

Jayne388 wrote:
S!monOn wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
Vote 4 Pedro wrote:
Jayne388 says...
1:25pm Thu 4 Jul 13

St.Winch70 wrote:

Jayne388 wrote:
Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ?

Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense.

We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future.

All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash !

A fine display of ignorance - well done.

Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder !

I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it !

Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !”


Possibly you might be right, but from a purely buisness standpoint why would and company in their right mind manufacturer products in Britain whereas they can manufacture in China for a fraction of the price?

I believe I can recall reading that if Apple, for example, were to insource all their manufacturing back to America, the current version of the iPad would in turn increase in price from $600 to about $10,000.
From $600 to $10,000........do you really believe that ? Somewhere an extra 0 has been added, I think !

Business interests cannot be allowed to destroy the integrity of a country. Eventually the ordinary people will rebel against the tyranny of pure financial interest - they always have in the past !

Without manufacturing, you deprive the working classes of a huge range of skilled occupations that give them an interest in life, and something worth doing. Condemning the workforce to a life of sales, service, or clerical work is unreasonable. That sort of work is fine if you like it, but where is the choice ? Where are the alternatives ?

We do not have to accept the life that is thrown at us, nor the bullsh*t to justify it.
You really need to stop living in the past and face the future.
Tell that to the kids of the future who have to do these tedious, menial jobs. I have a shrewd suspicion of what they will say !
Why? They wouldn't be able to compare it to the past because they weren't there.
[quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vote 4 Pedro[/bold] wrote: [quote]Jayne388 says... 1:25pm Thu 4 Jul 13 [quote]St.Winch70 wrote: [quote]Jayne388 wrote: Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ? Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense. We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future. All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash ![/quote] A fine display of ignorance - well done.[/quote] Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder ! I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it ! Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !” [/quote] Possibly you might be right, but from a purely buisness standpoint why would and company in their right mind manufacturer products in Britain whereas they can manufacture in China for a fraction of the price? I believe I can recall reading that if Apple, for example, were to insource all their manufacturing back to America, the current version of the iPad would in turn increase in price from $600 to about $10,000.[/p][/quote]From $600 to $10,000........do you really believe that ? Somewhere an extra 0 has been added, I think ! Business interests cannot be allowed to destroy the integrity of a country. Eventually the ordinary people will rebel against the tyranny of pure financial interest - they always have in the past ! Without manufacturing, you deprive the working classes of a huge range of skilled occupations that give them an interest in life, and something worth doing. Condemning the workforce to a life of sales, service, or clerical work is unreasonable. That sort of work is fine if you like it, but where is the choice ? Where are the alternatives ? We do not have to accept the life that is thrown at us, nor the bullsh*t to justify it.[/p][/quote]You really need to stop living in the past and face the future.[/p][/quote]Tell that to the kids of the future who have to do these tedious, menial jobs. I have a shrewd suspicion of what they will say ![/p][/quote]Why? They wouldn't be able to compare it to the past because they weren't there. S!monOn
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4:47pm Thu 4 Jul 13

froots says...

Vote 4 Pedro wrote:
Jayne388 says...
1:25pm Thu 4 Jul 13

St.Winch70 wrote:

Jayne388 wrote:
Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ?

Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense.

We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future.

All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash !

A fine display of ignorance - well done.

Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder !

I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it !

Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !”


Possibly you might be right, but from a purely buisness standpoint why would and company in their right mind manufacturer products in Britain whereas they can manufacture in China for a fraction of the price?

I believe I can recall reading that if Apple, for example, were to insource all their manufacturing back to America, the current version of the iPad would in turn increase in price from $600 to about $10,000.
Not quite

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[quote][p][bold]Vote 4 Pedro[/bold] wrote: [quote]Jayne388 says... 1:25pm Thu 4 Jul 13 [quote]St.Winch70 wrote: [quote]Jayne388 wrote: Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ? Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense. We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future. All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash ![/quote] A fine display of ignorance - well done.[/quote] Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder ! I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it ! Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !” [/quote] Possibly you might be right, but from a purely buisness standpoint why would and company in their right mind manufacturer products in Britain whereas they can manufacture in China for a fraction of the price? I believe I can recall reading that if Apple, for example, were to insource all their manufacturing back to America, the current version of the iPad would in turn increase in price from $600 to about $10,000.[/p][/quote]Not quite http://www.theatlant ic.com/business/arch ive/2011/05/how-much -would-the-ipad-2-co st-if-it-were-made-i n-the-us-about-1-140 /238508/ froots
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5:02pm Thu 4 Jul 13

froots says...

Jayne388 wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ?

Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense.

We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future.

All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash !
A fine display of ignorance - well done.
Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder !

I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it !

Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !
It's a myth that Britain's manufacturing has died. Some of the largest brewers in the world are here; we have 8 global motor manufacturers; there's Rolls Royce; two major pharmaceutical companies - GlaxoSmithKline and AstraZeneca - have manufacturing facilities here; Sunseeker; several major ship-builders; Triumph Motorcycles; Cadbury; BAT; BAE Systems; Unilever; Reebok; there are endless smaller manufacturers in Britain. The list goes on.
[quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ? Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense. We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future. All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash ![/p][/quote]A fine display of ignorance - well done.[/p][/quote]Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder ! I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it ! Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where ![/p][/quote]It's a myth that Britain's manufacturing has died. Some of the largest brewers in the world are here; we have 8 global motor manufacturers; there's Rolls Royce; two major pharmaceutical companies - GlaxoSmithKline and AstraZeneca - have manufacturing facilities here; Sunseeker; several major ship-builders; Triumph Motorcycles; Cadbury; BAT; BAE Systems; Unilever; Reebok; there are endless smaller manufacturers in Britain. The list goes on. froots
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5:35pm Thu 4 Jul 13

andysaints007 says...

Jayne388 wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ?

Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense.

We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future.

All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash !
A fine display of ignorance - well done.
Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder !

I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it !

Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !
That's got absolutely nothing to do with the story whatsoever jayne338!
So take your negativity and shove it where the sun don't shine - please.
[quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ? Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense. We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future. All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash ![/p][/quote]A fine display of ignorance - well done.[/p][/quote]Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder ! I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it ! Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where ![/p][/quote]That's got absolutely nothing to do with the story whatsoever jayne338! So take your negativity and shove it where the sun don't shine - please. andysaints007
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5:40pm Thu 4 Jul 13

andysaints007 says...

S!monOn wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
S!monOn wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
Vote 4 Pedro wrote:
Jayne388 says...
1:25pm Thu 4 Jul 13

St.Winch70 wrote:

Jayne388 wrote:
Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ?

Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense.

We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future.

All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash !

A fine display of ignorance - well done.

Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder !

I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it !

Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !”


Possibly you might be right, but from a purely buisness standpoint why would and company in their right mind manufacturer products in Britain whereas they can manufacture in China for a fraction of the price?

I believe I can recall reading that if Apple, for example, were to insource all their manufacturing back to America, the current version of the iPad would in turn increase in price from $600 to about $10,000.
From $600 to $10,000........do you really believe that ? Somewhere an extra 0 has been added, I think !

Business interests cannot be allowed to destroy the integrity of a country. Eventually the ordinary people will rebel against the tyranny of pure financial interest - they always have in the past !

Without manufacturing, you deprive the working classes of a huge range of skilled occupations that give them an interest in life, and something worth doing. Condemning the workforce to a life of sales, service, or clerical work is unreasonable. That sort of work is fine if you like it, but where is the choice ? Where are the alternatives ?

We do not have to accept the life that is thrown at us, nor the bullsh*t to justify it.
You really need to stop living in the past and face the future.
Tell that to the kids of the future who have to do these tedious, menial jobs. I have a shrewd suspicion of what they will say !
Why? They wouldn't be able to compare it to the past because they weren't there.
Yeah lets go back to the days of the coal mines and kids working at the age of 4 in workhouses! Get real and get with the times you stupid woman.
[quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vote 4 Pedro[/bold] wrote: [quote]Jayne388 says... 1:25pm Thu 4 Jul 13 [quote]St.Winch70 wrote: [quote]Jayne388 wrote: Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ? Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense. We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future. All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash ![/quote] A fine display of ignorance - well done.[/quote] Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder ! I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it ! Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !” [/quote] Possibly you might be right, but from a purely buisness standpoint why would and company in their right mind manufacturer products in Britain whereas they can manufacture in China for a fraction of the price? I believe I can recall reading that if Apple, for example, were to insource all their manufacturing back to America, the current version of the iPad would in turn increase in price from $600 to about $10,000.[/p][/quote]From $600 to $10,000........do you really believe that ? Somewhere an extra 0 has been added, I think ! Business interests cannot be allowed to destroy the integrity of a country. Eventually the ordinary people will rebel against the tyranny of pure financial interest - they always have in the past ! Without manufacturing, you deprive the working classes of a huge range of skilled occupations that give them an interest in life, and something worth doing. Condemning the workforce to a life of sales, service, or clerical work is unreasonable. That sort of work is fine if you like it, but where is the choice ? Where are the alternatives ? We do not have to accept the life that is thrown at us, nor the bullsh*t to justify it.[/p][/quote]You really need to stop living in the past and face the future.[/p][/quote]Tell that to the kids of the future who have to do these tedious, menial jobs. I have a shrewd suspicion of what they will say ![/p][/quote]Why? They wouldn't be able to compare it to the past because they weren't there.[/p][/quote]Yeah lets go back to the days of the coal mines and kids working at the age of 4 in workhouses! Get real and get with the times you stupid woman. andysaints007
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6:08pm Thu 4 Jul 13

Jayne388 says...

S!monOn wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
S!monOn wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
Vote 4 Pedro wrote:
Jayne388 says...
1:25pm Thu 4 Jul 13

St.Winch70 wrote:

Jayne388 wrote:
Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ?

Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense.

We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future.

All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash !

A fine display of ignorance - well done.

Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder !

I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it !

Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !”


Possibly you might be right, but from a purely buisness standpoint why would and company in their right mind manufacturer products in Britain whereas they can manufacture in China for a fraction of the price?

I believe I can recall reading that if Apple, for example, were to insource all their manufacturing back to America, the current version of the iPad would in turn increase in price from $600 to about $10,000.
From $600 to $10,000........do you really believe that ? Somewhere an extra 0 has been added, I think !

Business interests cannot be allowed to destroy the integrity of a country. Eventually the ordinary people will rebel against the tyranny of pure financial interest - they always have in the past !

Without manufacturing, you deprive the working classes of a huge range of skilled occupations that give them an interest in life, and something worth doing. Condemning the workforce to a life of sales, service, or clerical work is unreasonable. That sort of work is fine if you like it, but where is the choice ? Where are the alternatives ?

We do not have to accept the life that is thrown at us, nor the bullsh*t to justify it.
You really need to stop living in the past and face the future.
Tell that to the kids of the future who have to do these tedious, menial jobs. I have a shrewd suspicion of what they will say !
Why? They wouldn't be able to compare it to the past because they weren't there.
How dishonest and deceitful of you.

The children of the future will be a bl**dy sight more intelligent and perceptive than you or I, and what isn't written down they will be able to work out for themselves. They won't want to be on the phone all day, work on a till or stack shelves in Tesco, or mow your lawn. Some won't mind, some won't be able to do anything else, but there will be a huge number with a desire to learn manual skills.
[quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vote 4 Pedro[/bold] wrote: [quote]Jayne388 says... 1:25pm Thu 4 Jul 13 [quote]St.Winch70 wrote: [quote]Jayne388 wrote: Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ? Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense. We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future. All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash ![/quote] A fine display of ignorance - well done.[/quote] Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder ! I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it ! Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !” [/quote] Possibly you might be right, but from a purely buisness standpoint why would and company in their right mind manufacturer products in Britain whereas they can manufacture in China for a fraction of the price? I believe I can recall reading that if Apple, for example, were to insource all their manufacturing back to America, the current version of the iPad would in turn increase in price from $600 to about $10,000.[/p][/quote]From $600 to $10,000........do you really believe that ? Somewhere an extra 0 has been added, I think ! Business interests cannot be allowed to destroy the integrity of a country. Eventually the ordinary people will rebel against the tyranny of pure financial interest - they always have in the past ! Without manufacturing, you deprive the working classes of a huge range of skilled occupations that give them an interest in life, and something worth doing. Condemning the workforce to a life of sales, service, or clerical work is unreasonable. That sort of work is fine if you like it, but where is the choice ? Where are the alternatives ? We do not have to accept the life that is thrown at us, nor the bullsh*t to justify it.[/p][/quote]You really need to stop living in the past and face the future.[/p][/quote]Tell that to the kids of the future who have to do these tedious, menial jobs. I have a shrewd suspicion of what they will say ![/p][/quote]Why? They wouldn't be able to compare it to the past because they weren't there.[/p][/quote]How dishonest and deceitful of you. The children of the future will be a bl**dy sight more intelligent and perceptive than you or I, and what isn't written down they will be able to work out for themselves. They won't want to be on the phone all day, work on a till or stack shelves in Tesco, or mow your lawn. Some won't mind, some won't be able to do anything else, but there will be a huge number with a desire to learn manual skills. Jayne388
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6:35pm Thu 4 Jul 13

Jayne388 says...

froots wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ?

Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense.

We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future.

All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash !
A fine display of ignorance - well done.
Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder !

I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it !

Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !
It's a myth that Britain's manufacturing has died. Some of the largest brewers in the world are here; we have 8 global motor manufacturers; there's Rolls Royce; two major pharmaceutical companies - GlaxoSmithKline and AstraZeneca - have manufacturing facilities here; Sunseeker; several major ship-builders; Triumph Motorcycles; Cadbury; BAT; BAE Systems; Unilever; Reebok; there are endless smaller manufacturers in Britain. The list goes on.
Yes and they've all laid off workers over the last ten years.

Yes we still have some manufacturing, but not enough.

Back in the 60's, EVERYTHING was Made in Britain : Hi Fi's, washing machines, cookers, most cars and motorbikes, clothes, garden equipment, etc., etc., etc. People had good jobs they were proud to do because it involved skills that took years to develop fully.

Most of the rank and file work now can be learned in an hour, an afternoon at most.

For Heaven's sake, all I'm calling for is something better for our fellow countrymen and women, something for our children to look forward to. What we have now just will not do.
[quote][p][bold]froots[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ? Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense. We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future. All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash ![/p][/quote]A fine display of ignorance - well done.[/p][/quote]Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder ! I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it ! Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where ![/p][/quote]It's a myth that Britain's manufacturing has died. Some of the largest brewers in the world are here; we have 8 global motor manufacturers; there's Rolls Royce; two major pharmaceutical companies - GlaxoSmithKline and AstraZeneca - have manufacturing facilities here; Sunseeker; several major ship-builders; Triumph Motorcycles; Cadbury; BAT; BAE Systems; Unilever; Reebok; there are endless smaller manufacturers in Britain. The list goes on.[/p][/quote]Yes and they've all laid off workers over the last ten years. Yes we still have some manufacturing, but not enough. Back in the 60's, EVERYTHING was Made in Britain : Hi Fi's, washing machines, cookers, most cars and motorbikes, clothes, garden equipment, etc., etc., etc. People had good jobs they were proud to do because it involved skills that took years to develop fully. Most of the rank and file work now can be learned in an hour, an afternoon at most. For Heaven's sake, all I'm calling for is something better for our fellow countrymen and women, something for our children to look forward to. What we have now just will not do. Jayne388
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6:39pm Thu 4 Jul 13

Jayne388 says...

andysaints007 wrote:
S!monOn wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
S!monOn wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
Vote 4 Pedro wrote:
Jayne388 says...
1:25pm Thu 4 Jul 13

St.Winch70 wrote:

Jayne388 wrote:
Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ?

Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense.

We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future.

All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash !

A fine display of ignorance - well done.

Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder !

I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it !

Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !”


Possibly you might be right, but from a purely buisness standpoint why would and company in their right mind manufacturer products in Britain whereas they can manufacture in China for a fraction of the price?

I believe I can recall reading that if Apple, for example, were to insource all their manufacturing back to America, the current version of the iPad would in turn increase in price from $600 to about $10,000.
From $600 to $10,000........do you really believe that ? Somewhere an extra 0 has been added, I think !

Business interests cannot be allowed to destroy the integrity of a country. Eventually the ordinary people will rebel against the tyranny of pure financial interest - they always have in the past !

Without manufacturing, you deprive the working classes of a huge range of skilled occupations that give them an interest in life, and something worth doing. Condemning the workforce to a life of sales, service, or clerical work is unreasonable. That sort of work is fine if you like it, but where is the choice ? Where are the alternatives ?

We do not have to accept the life that is thrown at us, nor the bullsh*t to justify it.
You really need to stop living in the past and face the future.
Tell that to the kids of the future who have to do these tedious, menial jobs. I have a shrewd suspicion of what they will say !
Why? They wouldn't be able to compare it to the past because they weren't there.
Yeah lets go back to the days of the coal mines and kids working at the age of 4 in workhouses! Get real and get with the times you stupid woman.
If I had said what I have said in class, and you had put your hand up and made that comment, everyone would have pointed at you and laughed for being such a dozy dipstick !

Haven't got a clue, have you ?
[quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vote 4 Pedro[/bold] wrote: [quote]Jayne388 says... 1:25pm Thu 4 Jul 13 [quote]St.Winch70 wrote: [quote]Jayne388 wrote: Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ? Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense. We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future. All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash ![/quote] A fine display of ignorance - well done.[/quote] Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder ! I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it ! Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !” [/quote] Possibly you might be right, but from a purely buisness standpoint why would and company in their right mind manufacturer products in Britain whereas they can manufacture in China for a fraction of the price? I believe I can recall reading that if Apple, for example, were to insource all their manufacturing back to America, the current version of the iPad would in turn increase in price from $600 to about $10,000.[/p][/quote]From $600 to $10,000........do you really believe that ? Somewhere an extra 0 has been added, I think ! Business interests cannot be allowed to destroy the integrity of a country. Eventually the ordinary people will rebel against the tyranny of pure financial interest - they always have in the past ! Without manufacturing, you deprive the working classes of a huge range of skilled occupations that give them an interest in life, and something worth doing. Condemning the workforce to a life of sales, service, or clerical work is unreasonable. That sort of work is fine if you like it, but where is the choice ? Where are the alternatives ? We do not have to accept the life that is thrown at us, nor the bullsh*t to justify it.[/p][/quote]You really need to stop living in the past and face the future.[/p][/quote]Tell that to the kids of the future who have to do these tedious, menial jobs. I have a shrewd suspicion of what they will say ![/p][/quote]Why? They wouldn't be able to compare it to the past because they weren't there.[/p][/quote]Yeah lets go back to the days of the coal mines and kids working at the age of 4 in workhouses! Get real and get with the times you stupid woman.[/p][/quote]If I had said what I have said in class, and you had put your hand up and made that comment, everyone would have pointed at you and laughed for being such a dozy dipstick ! Haven't got a clue, have you ? Jayne388
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6:49pm Thu 4 Jul 13

froots says...

Jayne388 wrote:
froots wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ?

Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense.

We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future.

All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash !
A fine display of ignorance - well done.
Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder !

I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it !

Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !
It's a myth that Britain's manufacturing has died. Some of the largest brewers in the world are here; we have 8 global motor manufacturers; there's Rolls Royce; two major pharmaceutical companies - GlaxoSmithKline and AstraZeneca - have manufacturing facilities here; Sunseeker; several major ship-builders; Triumph Motorcycles; Cadbury; BAT; BAE Systems; Unilever; Reebok; there are endless smaller manufacturers in Britain. The list goes on.
Yes and they've all laid off workers over the last ten years.

Yes we still have some manufacturing, but not enough.

Back in the 60's, EVERYTHING was Made in Britain : Hi Fi's, washing machines, cookers, most cars and motorbikes, clothes, garden equipment, etc., etc., etc. People had good jobs they were proud to do because it involved skills that took years to develop fully.

Most of the rank and file work now can be learned in an hour, an afternoon at most.

For Heaven's sake, all I'm calling for is something better for our fellow countrymen and women, something for our children to look forward to. What we have now just will not do.
Personally, I'd like to think more people will start working for themselves, starting small businesses. Remember, more millionaires are created during recessions than at any other time.
[quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]froots[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ? Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense. We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future. All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash ![/p][/quote]A fine display of ignorance - well done.[/p][/quote]Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder ! I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it ! Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where ![/p][/quote]It's a myth that Britain's manufacturing has died. Some of the largest brewers in the world are here; we have 8 global motor manufacturers; there's Rolls Royce; two major pharmaceutical companies - GlaxoSmithKline and AstraZeneca - have manufacturing facilities here; Sunseeker; several major ship-builders; Triumph Motorcycles; Cadbury; BAT; BAE Systems; Unilever; Reebok; there are endless smaller manufacturers in Britain. The list goes on.[/p][/quote]Yes and they've all laid off workers over the last ten years. Yes we still have some manufacturing, but not enough. Back in the 60's, EVERYTHING was Made in Britain : Hi Fi's, washing machines, cookers, most cars and motorbikes, clothes, garden equipment, etc., etc., etc. People had good jobs they were proud to do because it involved skills that took years to develop fully. Most of the rank and file work now can be learned in an hour, an afternoon at most. For Heaven's sake, all I'm calling for is something better for our fellow countrymen and women, something for our children to look forward to. What we have now just will not do.[/p][/quote]Personally, I'd like to think more people will start working for themselves, starting small businesses. Remember, more millionaires are created during recessions than at any other time. froots
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7:49pm Thu 4 Jul 13

Benny101 says...

As someone that does work for the company, it's not cold calling or minimum wage!
People should do their research first
As someone that does work for the company, it's not cold calling or minimum wage! People should do their research first Benny101
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9:11pm Thu 4 Jul 13

Jayne388 says...

Benny101 wrote:
As someone that does work for the company, it's not cold calling or minimum wage!
People should do their research first
No, but you couldn't write a best seller about the work, could you ?

Try to understand the essence of what is being said rather attempt to undermine the argument with nitpicking. Minimum wage or not, telesales is not well-paid, and it is far from interesting or stimulating.
[quote][p][bold]Benny101[/bold] wrote: As someone that does work for the company, it's not cold calling or minimum wage! People should do their research first[/p][/quote]No, but you couldn't write a best seller about the work, could you ? Try to understand the essence of what is being said rather attempt to undermine the argument with nitpicking. Minimum wage or not, telesales is not well-paid, and it is far from interesting or stimulating. Jayne388
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9:17pm Thu 4 Jul 13

froots says...

Jayne388 wrote:
Benny101 wrote:
As someone that does work for the company, it's not cold calling or minimum wage!
People should do their research first
No, but you couldn't write a best seller about the work, could you ?

Try to understand the essence of what is being said rather attempt to undermine the argument with nitpicking. Minimum wage or not, telesales is not well-paid, and it is far from interesting or stimulating.
I'm not entirely sure what your point is. There have always been boring jobs. This isn't a new phenomenon. Not everybody gains satisfaction from their work, this too has always been the case. Not everybody feels the need to have a gratifying job, either. Again, this has always been the case. You seem to be pining for some lost idyllic world that didn't actually exist.
[quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benny101[/bold] wrote: As someone that does work for the company, it's not cold calling or minimum wage! People should do their research first[/p][/quote]No, but you couldn't write a best seller about the work, could you ? Try to understand the essence of what is being said rather attempt to undermine the argument with nitpicking. Minimum wage or not, telesales is not well-paid, and it is far from interesting or stimulating.[/p][/quote]I'm not entirely sure what your point is. There have always been boring jobs. This isn't a new phenomenon. Not everybody gains satisfaction from their work, this too has always been the case. Not everybody feels the need to have a gratifying job, either. Again, this has always been the case. You seem to be pining for some lost idyllic world that didn't actually exist. froots
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9:17pm Thu 4 Jul 13

froots says...

Jayne388 wrote:
Benny101 wrote:
As someone that does work for the company, it's not cold calling or minimum wage!
People should do their research first
No, but you couldn't write a best seller about the work, could you ?

Try to understand the essence of what is being said rather attempt to undermine the argument with nitpicking. Minimum wage or not, telesales is not well-paid, and it is far from interesting or stimulating.
I'm not entirely sure what your point is. There have always been boring jobs. This isn't a new phenomenon. Not everybody gains satisfaction from their work, this too has always been the case. Not everybody feels the need to have a gratifying job, either. Again, this has always been the case. You seem to be pining for some lost idyllic world that didn't actually exist.
[quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benny101[/bold] wrote: As someone that does work for the company, it's not cold calling or minimum wage! People should do their research first[/p][/quote]No, but you couldn't write a best seller about the work, could you ? Try to understand the essence of what is being said rather attempt to undermine the argument with nitpicking. Minimum wage or not, telesales is not well-paid, and it is far from interesting or stimulating.[/p][/quote]I'm not entirely sure what your point is. There have always been boring jobs. This isn't a new phenomenon. Not everybody gains satisfaction from their work, this too has always been the case. Not everybody feels the need to have a gratifying job, either. Again, this has always been the case. You seem to be pining for some lost idyllic world that didn't actually exist. froots
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9:44pm Thu 4 Jul 13

mark.baker says...

"gis a job, go i can do that" :-) I would happily take a job there. Only so much Jeremy Klye and Heir Hunters one can take lol

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=aObZJN9zD
tA
"gis a job, go i can do that" :-) I would happily take a job there. Only so much Jeremy Klye and Heir Hunters one can take lol http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=aObZJN9zD tA mark.baker
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9:49pm Thu 4 Jul 13

Jayne388 says...

froots wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
froots wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ?

Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense.

We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future.

All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash !
A fine display of ignorance - well done.
Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder !

I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it !

Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !
It's a myth that Britain's manufacturing has died. Some of the largest brewers in the world are here; we have 8 global motor manufacturers; there's Rolls Royce; two major pharmaceutical companies - GlaxoSmithKline and AstraZeneca - have manufacturing facilities here; Sunseeker; several major ship-builders; Triumph Motorcycles; Cadbury; BAT; BAE Systems; Unilever; Reebok; there are endless smaller manufacturers in Britain. The list goes on.
Yes and they've all laid off workers over the last ten years.

Yes we still have some manufacturing, but not enough.

Back in the 60's, EVERYTHING was Made in Britain : Hi Fi's, washing machines, cookers, most cars and motorbikes, clothes, garden equipment, etc., etc., etc. People had good jobs they were proud to do because it involved skills that took years to develop fully.

Most of the rank and file work now can be learned in an hour, an afternoon at most.

For Heaven's sake, all I'm calling for is something better for our fellow countrymen and women, something for our children to look forward to. What we have now just will not do.
Personally, I'd like to think more people will start working for themselves, starting small businesses. Remember, more millionaires are created during recessions than at any other time.
Out of all the small businesses that were started, say, ten years ago, how many people have become millionaires as a result ? Out of the many thousands, maybe a dozen people made it rich. And many hundreds went bankrupt. The actual figures are probably wrong, but the principle is right.

Not everyone wants to wear a suit and sell stuff ! Some people want to turn things on a lathe, make pots, make dresses, play an instrument, design posters, take photographs, write stories - you know - INTERESTING things !

I can't even begin to imagine the tedium of trying to sell baby clothes on the internet, and having manufacturing or distribution problems !

This dull, unimaginative country is never going to spawn another Shakespeare, Beatles, Francis Bacon, Ken Russell, Frederick Delius, John Gielgud, Isambard Kingdom Brunel, Led Zeppelin, etc with its current uninspired and uninspiring attitude.
[quote][p][bold]froots[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]froots[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ? Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense. We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future. All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash ![/p][/quote]A fine display of ignorance - well done.[/p][/quote]Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder ! I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it ! Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where ![/p][/quote]It's a myth that Britain's manufacturing has died. Some of the largest brewers in the world are here; we have 8 global motor manufacturers; there's Rolls Royce; two major pharmaceutical companies - GlaxoSmithKline and AstraZeneca - have manufacturing facilities here; Sunseeker; several major ship-builders; Triumph Motorcycles; Cadbury; BAT; BAE Systems; Unilever; Reebok; there are endless smaller manufacturers in Britain. The list goes on.[/p][/quote]Yes and they've all laid off workers over the last ten years. Yes we still have some manufacturing, but not enough. Back in the 60's, EVERYTHING was Made in Britain : Hi Fi's, washing machines, cookers, most cars and motorbikes, clothes, garden equipment, etc., etc., etc. People had good jobs they were proud to do because it involved skills that took years to develop fully. Most of the rank and file work now can be learned in an hour, an afternoon at most. For Heaven's sake, all I'm calling for is something better for our fellow countrymen and women, something for our children to look forward to. What we have now just will not do.[/p][/quote]Personally, I'd like to think more people will start working for themselves, starting small businesses. Remember, more millionaires are created during recessions than at any other time.[/p][/quote]Out of all the small businesses that were started, say, ten years ago, how many people have become millionaires as a result ? Out of the many thousands, maybe a dozen people made it rich. And many hundreds went bankrupt. The actual figures are probably wrong, but the principle is right. Not everyone wants to wear a suit and sell stuff ! Some people want to turn things on a lathe, make pots, make dresses, play an instrument, design posters, take photographs, write stories - you know - INTERESTING things ! I can't even begin to imagine the tedium of trying to sell baby clothes on the internet, and having manufacturing or distribution problems ! This dull, unimaginative country is never going to spawn another Shakespeare, Beatles, Francis Bacon, Ken Russell, Frederick Delius, John Gielgud, Isambard Kingdom Brunel, Led Zeppelin, etc with its current uninspired and uninspiring attitude. Jayne388
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9:57pm Thu 4 Jul 13

mark.baker says...

Jayne388 wrote:
froots wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
froots wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ?

Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense.

We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future.

All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash !
A fine display of ignorance - well done.
Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder !

I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it !

Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !
It's a myth that Britain's manufacturing has died. Some of the largest brewers in the world are here; we have 8 global motor manufacturers; there's Rolls Royce; two major pharmaceutical companies - GlaxoSmithKline and AstraZeneca - have manufacturing facilities here; Sunseeker; several major ship-builders; Triumph Motorcycles; Cadbury; BAT; BAE Systems; Unilever; Reebok; there are endless smaller manufacturers in Britain. The list goes on.
Yes and they've all laid off workers over the last ten years.

Yes we still have some manufacturing, but not enough.

Back in the 60's, EVERYTHING was Made in Britain : Hi Fi's, washing machines, cookers, most cars and motorbikes, clothes, garden equipment, etc., etc., etc. People had good jobs they were proud to do because it involved skills that took years to develop fully.

Most of the rank and file work now can be learned in an hour, an afternoon at most.

For Heaven's sake, all I'm calling for is something better for our fellow countrymen and women, something for our children to look forward to. What we have now just will not do.
Personally, I'd like to think more people will start working for themselves, starting small businesses. Remember, more millionaires are created during recessions than at any other time.
Out of all the small businesses that were started, say, ten years ago, how many people have become millionaires as a result ? Out of the many thousands, maybe a dozen people made it rich. And many hundreds went bankrupt. The actual figures are probably wrong, but the principle is right.

Not everyone wants to wear a suit and sell stuff ! Some people want to turn things on a lathe, make pots, make dresses, play an instrument, design posters, take photographs, write stories - you know - INTERESTING things !

I can't even begin to imagine the tedium of trying to sell baby clothes on the internet, and having manufacturing or distribution problems !

This dull, unimaginative country is never going to spawn another Shakespeare, Beatles, Francis Bacon, Ken Russell, Frederick Delius, John Gielgud, Isambard Kingdom Brunel, Led Zeppelin, etc with its current uninspired and uninspiring attitude.
Gangnam style, the Zepplin and Beatles of the east :-)
[quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]froots[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]froots[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ? Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense. We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future. All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash ![/p][/quote]A fine display of ignorance - well done.[/p][/quote]Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder ! I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it ! Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where ![/p][/quote]It's a myth that Britain's manufacturing has died. Some of the largest brewers in the world are here; we have 8 global motor manufacturers; there's Rolls Royce; two major pharmaceutical companies - GlaxoSmithKline and AstraZeneca - have manufacturing facilities here; Sunseeker; several major ship-builders; Triumph Motorcycles; Cadbury; BAT; BAE Systems; Unilever; Reebok; there are endless smaller manufacturers in Britain. The list goes on.[/p][/quote]Yes and they've all laid off workers over the last ten years. Yes we still have some manufacturing, but not enough. Back in the 60's, EVERYTHING was Made in Britain : Hi Fi's, washing machines, cookers, most cars and motorbikes, clothes, garden equipment, etc., etc., etc. People had good jobs they were proud to do because it involved skills that took years to develop fully. Most of the rank and file work now can be learned in an hour, an afternoon at most. For Heaven's sake, all I'm calling for is something better for our fellow countrymen and women, something for our children to look forward to. What we have now just will not do.[/p][/quote]Personally, I'd like to think more people will start working for themselves, starting small businesses. Remember, more millionaires are created during recessions than at any other time.[/p][/quote]Out of all the small businesses that were started, say, ten years ago, how many people have become millionaires as a result ? Out of the many thousands, maybe a dozen people made it rich. And many hundreds went bankrupt. The actual figures are probably wrong, but the principle is right. Not everyone wants to wear a suit and sell stuff ! Some people want to turn things on a lathe, make pots, make dresses, play an instrument, design posters, take photographs, write stories - you know - INTERESTING things ! I can't even begin to imagine the tedium of trying to sell baby clothes on the internet, and having manufacturing or distribution problems ! This dull, unimaginative country is never going to spawn another Shakespeare, Beatles, Francis Bacon, Ken Russell, Frederick Delius, John Gielgud, Isambard Kingdom Brunel, Led Zeppelin, etc with its current uninspired and uninspiring attitude.[/p][/quote]Gangnam style, the Zepplin and Beatles of the east :-) mark.baker
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10:03pm Thu 4 Jul 13

froots says...

Jayne388 wrote:
froots wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
froots wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ?

Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense.

We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future.

All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash !
A fine display of ignorance - well done.
Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder !

I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it !

Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !
It's a myth that Britain's manufacturing has died. Some of the largest brewers in the world are here; we have 8 global motor manufacturers; there's Rolls Royce; two major pharmaceutical companies - GlaxoSmithKline and AstraZeneca - have manufacturing facilities here; Sunseeker; several major ship-builders; Triumph Motorcycles; Cadbury; BAT; BAE Systems; Unilever; Reebok; there are endless smaller manufacturers in Britain. The list goes on.
Yes and they've all laid off workers over the last ten years.

Yes we still have some manufacturing, but not enough.

Back in the 60's, EVERYTHING was Made in Britain : Hi Fi's, washing machines, cookers, most cars and motorbikes, clothes, garden equipment, etc., etc., etc. People had good jobs they were proud to do because it involved skills that took years to develop fully.

Most of the rank and file work now can be learned in an hour, an afternoon at most.

For Heaven's sake, all I'm calling for is something better for our fellow countrymen and women, something for our children to look forward to. What we have now just will not do.
Personally, I'd like to think more people will start working for themselves, starting small businesses. Remember, more millionaires are created during recessions than at any other time.
Out of all the small businesses that were started, say, ten years ago, how many people have become millionaires as a result ? Out of the many thousands, maybe a dozen people made it rich. And many hundreds went bankrupt. The actual figures are probably wrong, but the principle is right.

Not everyone wants to wear a suit and sell stuff ! Some people want to turn things on a lathe, make pots, make dresses, play an instrument, design posters, take photographs, write stories - you know - INTERESTING things !

I can't even begin to imagine the tedium of trying to sell baby clothes on the internet, and having manufacturing or distribution problems !

This dull, unimaginative country is never going to spawn another Shakespeare, Beatles, Francis Bacon, Ken Russell, Frederick Delius, John Gielgud, Isambard Kingdom Brunel, Led Zeppelin, etc with its current uninspired and uninspiring attitude.
Who's talking about getting rich? People want to make pots? What's stopping them? People want to make dresses? Do it! You're setting up false dilemmas here.

The reason we won't see another Shakespeare, or Beatles, or whoever, is for the exact opposite reason you claim. The creative pursuits are now more than ever so much more accessible to the normal person on the street, that there's simply *too much* creativity going on for anyone to stand out to the degree, e.g, Led Zeppelin did. Just because the charts are uninspiring and full of fluff and nonsense, doesn't mean there isn't genuinely good music being made.

I think you're being grossly unfair to a lot of genuinely talented people by painting everyone as an army of grey dull automatons who do nothing other than mundane, tedious meaningless work.
[quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]froots[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]froots[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ? Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense. We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future. All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash ![/p][/quote]A fine display of ignorance - well done.[/p][/quote]Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder ! I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it ! Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where ![/p][/quote]It's a myth that Britain's manufacturing has died. Some of the largest brewers in the world are here; we have 8 global motor manufacturers; there's Rolls Royce; two major pharmaceutical companies - GlaxoSmithKline and AstraZeneca - have manufacturing facilities here; Sunseeker; several major ship-builders; Triumph Motorcycles; Cadbury; BAT; BAE Systems; Unilever; Reebok; there are endless smaller manufacturers in Britain. The list goes on.[/p][/quote]Yes and they've all laid off workers over the last ten years. Yes we still have some manufacturing, but not enough. Back in the 60's, EVERYTHING was Made in Britain : Hi Fi's, washing machines, cookers, most cars and motorbikes, clothes, garden equipment, etc., etc., etc. People had good jobs they were proud to do because it involved skills that took years to develop fully. Most of the rank and file work now can be learned in an hour, an afternoon at most. For Heaven's sake, all I'm calling for is something better for our fellow countrymen and women, something for our children to look forward to. What we have now just will not do.[/p][/quote]Personally, I'd like to think more people will start working for themselves, starting small businesses. Remember, more millionaires are created during recessions than at any other time.[/p][/quote]Out of all the small businesses that were started, say, ten years ago, how many people have become millionaires as a result ? Out of the many thousands, maybe a dozen people made it rich. And many hundreds went bankrupt. The actual figures are probably wrong, but the principle is right. Not everyone wants to wear a suit and sell stuff ! Some people want to turn things on a lathe, make pots, make dresses, play an instrument, design posters, take photographs, write stories - you know - INTERESTING things ! I can't even begin to imagine the tedium of trying to sell baby clothes on the internet, and having manufacturing or distribution problems ! This dull, unimaginative country is never going to spawn another Shakespeare, Beatles, Francis Bacon, Ken Russell, Frederick Delius, John Gielgud, Isambard Kingdom Brunel, Led Zeppelin, etc with its current uninspired and uninspiring attitude.[/p][/quote]Who's talking about getting rich? People want to make pots? What's stopping them? People want to make dresses? Do it! You're setting up false dilemmas here. The reason we won't see another Shakespeare, or Beatles, or whoever, is for the exact opposite reason you claim. The creative pursuits are now more than ever so much more accessible to the normal person on the street, that there's simply *too much* creativity going on for anyone to stand out to the degree, e.g, Led Zeppelin did. Just because the charts are uninspiring and full of fluff and nonsense, doesn't mean there isn't genuinely good music being made. I think you're being grossly unfair to a lot of genuinely talented people by painting everyone as an army of grey dull automatons who do nothing other than mundane, tedious meaningless work. froots
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10:34pm Thu 4 Jul 13

silly manc says...

most people blame thatcher ,i blame ,stella , stella artois.
most people blame thatcher ,i blame ,stella , stella artois. silly manc
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10:50pm Thu 4 Jul 13

Jayne388 says...

mark.baker wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
froots wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
froots wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ?

Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense.

We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future.

All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash !
A fine display of ignorance - well done.
Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder !

I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it !

Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !
It's a myth that Britain's manufacturing has died. Some of the largest brewers in the world are here; we have 8 global motor manufacturers; there's Rolls Royce; two major pharmaceutical companies - GlaxoSmithKline and AstraZeneca - have manufacturing facilities here; Sunseeker; several major ship-builders; Triumph Motorcycles; Cadbury; BAT; BAE Systems; Unilever; Reebok; there are endless smaller manufacturers in Britain. The list goes on.
Yes and they've all laid off workers over the last ten years.

Yes we still have some manufacturing, but not enough.

Back in the 60's, EVERYTHING was Made in Britain : Hi Fi's, washing machines, cookers, most cars and motorbikes, clothes, garden equipment, etc., etc., etc. People had good jobs they were proud to do because it involved skills that took years to develop fully.

Most of the rank and file work now can be learned in an hour, an afternoon at most.

For Heaven's sake, all I'm calling for is something better for our fellow countrymen and women, something for our children to look forward to. What we have now just will not do.
Personally, I'd like to think more people will start working for themselves, starting small businesses. Remember, more millionaires are created during recessions than at any other time.
Out of all the small businesses that were started, say, ten years ago, how many people have become millionaires as a result ? Out of the many thousands, maybe a dozen people made it rich. And many hundreds went bankrupt. The actual figures are probably wrong, but the principle is right.

Not everyone wants to wear a suit and sell stuff ! Some people want to turn things on a lathe, make pots, make dresses, play an instrument, design posters, take photographs, write stories - you know - INTERESTING things !

I can't even begin to imagine the tedium of trying to sell baby clothes on the internet, and having manufacturing or distribution problems !

This dull, unimaginative country is never going to spawn another Shakespeare, Beatles, Francis Bacon, Ken Russell, Frederick Delius, John Gielgud, Isambard Kingdom Brunel, Led Zeppelin, etc with its current uninspired and uninspiring attitude.
Gangnam style, the Zepplin and Beatles of the east :-)
Now you are being really stupid ! Gangnam Style was a brilliant "one-off", but that fat little Korean is never going to match Benny Hill, let alone Led Zep !
[quote][p][bold]mark.baker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]froots[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]froots[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ? Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense. We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future. All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash ![/p][/quote]A fine display of ignorance - well done.[/p][/quote]Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder ! I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it ! Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where ![/p][/quote]It's a myth that Britain's manufacturing has died. Some of the largest brewers in the world are here; we have 8 global motor manufacturers; there's Rolls Royce; two major pharmaceutical companies - GlaxoSmithKline and AstraZeneca - have manufacturing facilities here; Sunseeker; several major ship-builders; Triumph Motorcycles; Cadbury; BAT; BAE Systems; Unilever; Reebok; there are endless smaller manufacturers in Britain. The list goes on.[/p][/quote]Yes and they've all laid off workers over the last ten years. Yes we still have some manufacturing, but not enough. Back in the 60's, EVERYTHING was Made in Britain : Hi Fi's, washing machines, cookers, most cars and motorbikes, clothes, garden equipment, etc., etc., etc. People had good jobs they were proud to do because it involved skills that took years to develop fully. Most of the rank and file work now can be learned in an hour, an afternoon at most. For Heaven's sake, all I'm calling for is something better for our fellow countrymen and women, something for our children to look forward to. What we have now just will not do.[/p][/quote]Personally, I'd like to think more people will start working for themselves, starting small businesses. Remember, more millionaires are created during recessions than at any other time.[/p][/quote]Out of all the small businesses that were started, say, ten years ago, how many people have become millionaires as a result ? Out of the many thousands, maybe a dozen people made it rich. And many hundreds went bankrupt. The actual figures are probably wrong, but the principle is right. Not everyone wants to wear a suit and sell stuff ! Some people want to turn things on a lathe, make pots, make dresses, play an instrument, design posters, take photographs, write stories - you know - INTERESTING things ! I can't even begin to imagine the tedium of trying to sell baby clothes on the internet, and having manufacturing or distribution problems ! This dull, unimaginative country is never going to spawn another Shakespeare, Beatles, Francis Bacon, Ken Russell, Frederick Delius, John Gielgud, Isambard Kingdom Brunel, Led Zeppelin, etc with its current uninspired and uninspiring attitude.[/p][/quote]Gangnam style, the Zepplin and Beatles of the east :-)[/p][/quote]Now you are being really stupid ! Gangnam Style was a brilliant "one-off", but that fat little Korean is never going to match Benny Hill, let alone Led Zep ! Jayne388
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11:22pm Thu 4 Jul 13

jen1 says...

froots wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ?

Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense.

We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future.

All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash !
A fine display of ignorance - well done.
Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder !

I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it !

Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !
It's a myth that Britain's manufacturing has died. Some of the largest brewers in the world are here; we have 8 global motor manufacturers; there's Rolls Royce; two major pharmaceutical companies - GlaxoSmithKline and AstraZeneca - have manufacturing facilities here; Sunseeker; several major ship-builders; Triumph Motorcycles; Cadbury; BAT; BAE Systems; Unilever; Reebok; there are endless smaller manufacturers in Britain. The list goes on.
I must pick you up on a couple of those. Firstly sunseeker has recently been sold to the Chinese and it's future here is not certain and secondly Cadbury. Cadbury were bought out by kraft, who promptly shut down most of their British production and moved to Poland, they also changed the recipe. The same thing happened with twinings tea and that was the point at which I stopped buying the muck.

Jayne is right, we do need real jobs for people, we also need to stop giving the jobs we do have away to economic migrants from Eastern Europe.

This country is a mess and nothing is being done about it
[quote][p][bold]froots[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ? Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense. We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future. All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash ![/p][/quote]A fine display of ignorance - well done.[/p][/quote]Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder ! I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it ! Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where ![/p][/quote]It's a myth that Britain's manufacturing has died. Some of the largest brewers in the world are here; we have 8 global motor manufacturers; there's Rolls Royce; two major pharmaceutical companies - GlaxoSmithKline and AstraZeneca - have manufacturing facilities here; Sunseeker; several major ship-builders; Triumph Motorcycles; Cadbury; BAT; BAE Systems; Unilever; Reebok; there are endless smaller manufacturers in Britain. The list goes on.[/p][/quote]I must pick you up on a couple of those. Firstly sunseeker has recently been sold to the Chinese and it's future here is not certain and secondly Cadbury. Cadbury were bought out by kraft, who promptly shut down most of their British production and moved to Poland, they also changed the recipe. The same thing happened with twinings tea and that was the point at which I stopped buying the muck. Jayne is right, we do need real jobs for people, we also need to stop giving the jobs we do have away to economic migrants from Eastern Europe. This country is a mess and nothing is being done about it jen1
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11:24pm Thu 4 Jul 13

Jayne388 says...

froots wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
froots wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
froots wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ?

Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense.

We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future.

All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash !
A fine display of ignorance - well done.
Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder !

I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it !

Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !
It's a myth that Britain's manufacturing has died. Some of the largest brewers in the world are here; we have 8 global motor manufacturers; there's Rolls Royce; two major pharmaceutical companies - GlaxoSmithKline and AstraZeneca - have manufacturing facilities here; Sunseeker; several major ship-builders; Triumph Motorcycles; Cadbury; BAT; BAE Systems; Unilever; Reebok; there are endless smaller manufacturers in Britain. The list goes on.
Yes and they've all laid off workers over the last ten years.

Yes we still have some manufacturing, but not enough.

Back in the 60's, EVERYTHING was Made in Britain : Hi Fi's, washing machines, cookers, most cars and motorbikes, clothes, garden equipment, etc., etc., etc. People had good jobs they were proud to do because it involved skills that took years to develop fully.

Most of the rank and file work now can be learned in an hour, an afternoon at most.

For Heaven's sake, all I'm calling for is something better for our fellow countrymen and women, something for our children to look forward to. What we have now just will not do.
Personally, I'd like to think more people will start working for themselves, starting small businesses. Remember, more millionaires are created during recessions than at any other time.
Out of all the small businesses that were started, say, ten years ago, how many people have become millionaires as a result ? Out of the many thousands, maybe a dozen people made it rich. And many hundreds went bankrupt. The actual figures are probably wrong, but the principle is right.

Not everyone wants to wear a suit and sell stuff ! Some people want to turn things on a lathe, make pots, make dresses, play an instrument, design posters, take photographs, write stories - you know - INTERESTING things !

I can't even begin to imagine the tedium of trying to sell baby clothes on the internet, and having manufacturing or distribution problems !

This dull, unimaginative country is never going to spawn another Shakespeare, Beatles, Francis Bacon, Ken Russell, Frederick Delius, John Gielgud, Isambard Kingdom Brunel, Led Zeppelin, etc with its current uninspired and uninspiring attitude.
Who's talking about getting rich? People want to make pots? What's stopping them? People want to make dresses? Do it! You're setting up false dilemmas here.

The reason we won't see another Shakespeare, or Beatles, or whoever, is for the exact opposite reason you claim. The creative pursuits are now more than ever so much more accessible to the normal person on the street, that there's simply *too much* creativity going on for anyone to stand out to the degree, e.g, Led Zeppelin did. Just because the charts are uninspiring and full of fluff and nonsense, doesn't mean there isn't genuinely good music being made.

I think you're being grossly unfair to a lot of genuinely talented people by painting everyone as an army of grey dull automatons who do nothing other than mundane, tedious meaningless work.
Do I have to spell everything out ?

Try it a different way. You are the king of a country, and you have to work out a plan to keep the people happy. How do you do that ? You don't leave them to fight it out amongst themselves - that results in anarchy. They need education, work, homes, and leisure activities. There needs to be a variety of work for them to do, as they will have a variety of skills and levels of ability.
Above all else there must be hope for a bright future. Various levels of success must be achievable : "courses for horses" ! People must be able to shape their lives, not be shaped by life.

If China does all the making, and we do all the selling, we just become cogs in a big world machine. You must have seen Fritz Lang's "Metropolis".

For its population to be able to enjoy a balanced life, every country must be self-sufficient.

People should not be excited about these crummy little jobs in telesales, or about 20 part-time positions at the latest "Fast-Grub" shop.

What I am saying, froots, is that Britain is being grossly unfair to genuinely talented people by offering so much mundane, tedious work, with little opportunity for them to do much else.
[quote][p][bold]froots[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]froots[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]froots[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ? Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense. We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future. All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash ![/p][/quote]A fine display of ignorance - well done.[/p][/quote]Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder ! I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it ! Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where ![/p][/quote]It's a myth that Britain's manufacturing has died. Some of the largest brewers in the world are here; we have 8 global motor manufacturers; there's Rolls Royce; two major pharmaceutical companies - GlaxoSmithKline and AstraZeneca - have manufacturing facilities here; Sunseeker; several major ship-builders; Triumph Motorcycles; Cadbury; BAT; BAE Systems; Unilever; Reebok; there are endless smaller manufacturers in Britain. The list goes on.[/p][/quote]Yes and they've all laid off workers over the last ten years. Yes we still have some manufacturing, but not enough. Back in the 60's, EVERYTHING was Made in Britain : Hi Fi's, washing machines, cookers, most cars and motorbikes, clothes, garden equipment, etc., etc., etc. People had good jobs they were proud to do because it involved skills that took years to develop fully. Most of the rank and file work now can be learned in an hour, an afternoon at most. For Heaven's sake, all I'm calling for is something better for our fellow countrymen and women, something for our children to look forward to. What we have now just will not do.[/p][/quote]Personally, I'd like to think more people will start working for themselves, starting small businesses. Remember, more millionaires are created during recessions than at any other time.[/p][/quote]Out of all the small businesses that were started, say, ten years ago, how many people have become millionaires as a result ? Out of the many thousands, maybe a dozen people made it rich. And many hundreds went bankrupt. The actual figures are probably wrong, but the principle is right. Not everyone wants to wear a suit and sell stuff ! Some people want to turn things on a lathe, make pots, make dresses, play an instrument, design posters, take photographs, write stories - you know - INTERESTING things ! I can't even begin to imagine the tedium of trying to sell baby clothes on the internet, and having manufacturing or distribution problems ! This dull, unimaginative country is never going to spawn another Shakespeare, Beatles, Francis Bacon, Ken Russell, Frederick Delius, John Gielgud, Isambard Kingdom Brunel, Led Zeppelin, etc with its current uninspired and uninspiring attitude.[/p][/quote]Who's talking about getting rich? People want to make pots? What's stopping them? People want to make dresses? Do it! You're setting up false dilemmas here. The reason we won't see another Shakespeare, or Beatles, or whoever, is for the exact opposite reason you claim. The creative pursuits are now more than ever so much more accessible to the normal person on the street, that there's simply *too much* creativity going on for anyone to stand out to the degree, e.g, Led Zeppelin did. Just because the charts are uninspiring and full of fluff and nonsense, doesn't mean there isn't genuinely good music being made. I think you're being grossly unfair to a lot of genuinely talented people by painting everyone as an army of grey dull automatons who do nothing other than mundane, tedious meaningless work.[/p][/quote]Do I have to spell everything out ? Try it a different way. You are the king of a country, and you have to work out a plan to keep the people happy. How do you do that ? You don't leave them to fight it out amongst themselves - that results in anarchy. They need education, work, homes, and leisure activities. There needs to be a variety of work for them to do, as they will have a variety of skills and levels of ability. Above all else there must be hope for a bright future. Various levels of success must be achievable : "courses for horses" ! People must be able to shape their lives, not be shaped by life. If China does all the making, and we do all the selling, we just become cogs in a big world machine. You must have seen Fritz Lang's "Metropolis". For its population to be able to enjoy a balanced life, every country must be self-sufficient. People should not be excited about these crummy little jobs in telesales, or about 20 part-time positions at the latest "Fast-Grub" shop. What I am saying, froots, is that Britain is being grossly unfair to genuinely talented people by offering so much mundane, tedious work, with little opportunity for them to do much else. Jayne388
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11:29pm Thu 4 Jul 13

uptheirons says...

@jayne388

Are you some form of communist? I only ask because I reckon there is absolutely no one in the employ of that company who is being forced to work there.

Each one of those people 'chose' their own career path, and granted, some maybe stumbled across it by accident.

I think I can pretty much guarantee none were dragged to their interviews and made to perform well enough to be successful.

I think you should maybe reign your horse and step down before jumping on a plane to Korea in a Gangnam style!
@jayne388 Are you some form of communist? I only ask because I reckon there is absolutely no one in the employ of that company who is being forced to work there. Each one of those people 'chose' their own career path, and granted, some maybe stumbled across it by accident. I think I can pretty much guarantee none were dragged to their interviews and made to perform well enough to be successful. I think you should maybe reign your [high] horse and step down before jumping on a plane to Korea in a Gangnam style! uptheirons
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12:00am Fri 5 Jul 13

andysaints007 says...

Jayne388 wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
S!monOn wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
S!monOn wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
Vote 4 Pedro wrote:
Jayne388 says...
1:25pm Thu 4 Jul 13

St.Winch70 wrote:

Jayne388 wrote:
Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ?

Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense.

We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future.

All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash !

A fine display of ignorance - well done.

Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder !

I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it !

Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !”


Possibly you might be right, but from a purely buisness standpoint why would and company in their right mind manufacturer products in Britain whereas they can manufacture in China for a fraction of the price?

I believe I can recall reading that if Apple, for example, were to insource all their manufacturing back to America, the current version of the iPad would in turn increase in price from $600 to about $10,000.
From $600 to $10,000........do you really believe that ? Somewhere an extra 0 has been added, I think !

Business interests cannot be allowed to destroy the integrity of a country. Eventually the ordinary people will rebel against the tyranny of pure financial interest - they always have in the past !

Without manufacturing, you deprive the working classes of a huge range of skilled occupations that give them an interest in life, and something worth doing. Condemning the workforce to a life of sales, service, or clerical work is unreasonable. That sort of work is fine if you like it, but where is the choice ? Where are the alternatives ?

We do not have to accept the life that is thrown at us, nor the bullsh*t to justify it.
You really need to stop living in the past and face the future.
Tell that to the kids of the future who have to do these tedious, menial jobs. I have a shrewd suspicion of what they will say !
Why? They wouldn't be able to compare it to the past because they weren't there.
Yeah lets go back to the days of the coal mines and kids working at the age of 4 in workhouses! Get real and get with the times you stupid woman.
If I had said what I have said in class, and you had put your hand up and made that comment, everyone would have pointed at you and laughed for being such a dozy dipstick !

Haven't got a clue, have you ?
No I don't think YOU have a clue. I am really starting to believe that you actually have mental problems cos some of the sh*te you spout out on here is quite unbelievable.
Onj top of that you are truly the most boring individual to grace this forum since billy the kid - ooops how silly of me - you are billy the kid ;-) ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vote 4 Pedro[/bold] wrote: [quote]Jayne388 says... 1:25pm Thu 4 Jul 13 [quote]St.Winch70 wrote: [quote]Jayne388 wrote: Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ? Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense. We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future. All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash ![/quote] A fine display of ignorance - well done.[/quote] Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder ! I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it ! Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !” [/quote] Possibly you might be right, but from a purely buisness standpoint why would and company in their right mind manufacturer products in Britain whereas they can manufacture in China for a fraction of the price? I believe I can recall reading that if Apple, for example, were to insource all their manufacturing back to America, the current version of the iPad would in turn increase in price from $600 to about $10,000.[/p][/quote]From $600 to $10,000........do you really believe that ? Somewhere an extra 0 has been added, I think ! Business interests cannot be allowed to destroy the integrity of a country. Eventually the ordinary people will rebel against the tyranny of pure financial interest - they always have in the past ! Without manufacturing, you deprive the working classes of a huge range of skilled occupations that give them an interest in life, and something worth doing. Condemning the workforce to a life of sales, service, or clerical work is unreasonable. That sort of work is fine if you like it, but where is the choice ? Where are the alternatives ? We do not have to accept the life that is thrown at us, nor the bullsh*t to justify it.[/p][/quote]You really need to stop living in the past and face the future.[/p][/quote]Tell that to the kids of the future who have to do these tedious, menial jobs. I have a shrewd suspicion of what they will say ![/p][/quote]Why? They wouldn't be able to compare it to the past because they weren't there.[/p][/quote]Yeah lets go back to the days of the coal mines and kids working at the age of 4 in workhouses! Get real and get with the times you stupid woman.[/p][/quote]If I had said what I have said in class, and you had put your hand up and made that comment, everyone would have pointed at you and laughed for being such a dozy dipstick ! Haven't got a clue, have you ?[/p][/quote]No I don't think YOU have a clue. I am really starting to believe that you actually have mental problems cos some of the sh*te you spout out on here is quite unbelievable. Onj top of that you are truly the most boring individual to grace this forum since billy the kid - ooops how silly of me - you are billy the kid ;-) ;-) andysaints007
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12:11am Fri 5 Jul 13

mark.baker says...

silly manc wrote:
most people blame thatcher ,i blame ,stella , stella artois.
:-)
[quote][p][bold]silly manc[/bold] wrote: most people blame thatcher ,i blame ,stella , stella artois.[/p][/quote]:-) mark.baker
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12:28am Fri 5 Jul 13

Jayne388 says...

uptheirons wrote:
@jayne388

Are you some form of communist? I only ask because I reckon there is absolutely no one in the employ of that company who is being forced to work there.

Each one of those people 'chose' their own career path, and granted, some maybe stumbled across it by accident.

I think I can pretty much guarantee none were dragged to their interviews and made to perform well enough to be successful.

I think you should maybe reign your horse and step down before jumping on a plane to Korea in a Gangnam style!
At a guess, I would say that comprehension was not one of your strengths at school.

You certainly have no idea at all what Communism is about !

Telesales is not a career ! It's a job you sometimes do until you can begin a career.

In fact, what you say makes no sense at all. If what you say is your interpretation of what I was trying to say, you are on Planet Zog ! !
[quote][p][bold]uptheirons[/bold] wrote: @jayne388 Are you some form of communist? I only ask because I reckon there is absolutely no one in the employ of that company who is being forced to work there. Each one of those people 'chose' their own career path, and granted, some maybe stumbled across it by accident. I think I can pretty much guarantee none were dragged to their interviews and made to perform well enough to be successful. I think you should maybe reign your [high] horse and step down before jumping on a plane to Korea in a Gangnam style![/p][/quote]At a guess, I would say that comprehension was not one of your strengths at school. You certainly have no idea at all what Communism is about ! Telesales is not a career ! It's a job you sometimes do until you can begin a career. In fact, what you say makes no sense at all. If what you say is your interpretation of what I was trying to say, you are on Planet Zog ! ! Jayne388
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12:37am Fri 5 Jul 13

Jayne388 says...

andysaints007 wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
S!monOn wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
S!monOn wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
Vote 4 Pedro wrote:
Jayne388 says...
1:25pm Thu 4 Jul 13

St.Winch70 wrote:

Jayne388 wrote:
Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ?

Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense.

We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future.

All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash !

A fine display of ignorance - well done.

Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder !

I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it !

Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !”


Possibly you might be right, but from a purely buisness standpoint why would and company in their right mind manufacturer products in Britain whereas they can manufacture in China for a fraction of the price?

I believe I can recall reading that if Apple, for example, were to insource all their manufacturing back to America, the current version of the iPad would in turn increase in price from $600 to about $10,000.
From $600 to $10,000........do you really believe that ? Somewhere an extra 0 has been added, I think !

Business interests cannot be allowed to destroy the integrity of a country. Eventually the ordinary people will rebel against the tyranny of pure financial interest - they always have in the past !

Without manufacturing, you deprive the working classes of a huge range of skilled occupations that give them an interest in life, and something worth doing. Condemning the workforce to a life of sales, service, or clerical work is unreasonable. That sort of work is fine if you like it, but where is the choice ? Where are the alternatives ?

We do not have to accept the life that is thrown at us, nor the bullsh*t to justify it.
You really need to stop living in the past and face the future.
Tell that to the kids of the future who have to do these tedious, menial jobs. I have a shrewd suspicion of what they will say !
Why? They wouldn't be able to compare it to the past because they weren't there.
Yeah lets go back to the days of the coal mines and kids working at the age of 4 in workhouses! Get real and get with the times you stupid woman.
If I had said what I have said in class, and you had put your hand up and made that comment, everyone would have pointed at you and laughed for being such a dozy dipstick !

Haven't got a clue, have you ?
No I don't think YOU have a clue. I am really starting to believe that you actually have mental problems cos some of the sh*te you spout out on here is quite unbelievable.
Onj top of that you are truly the most boring individual to grace this forum since billy the kid - ooops how silly of me - you are billy the kid ;-) ;-)
Andysaints, I think you are tedious, repetitive little c**t, and I think it's time you f**ked off, don't you ?

You persistently attack and insult me with absolutely no explanation or reasoning. Your purpose is pure malice. You are a bullying, vindictive animal. To quote John Cooper Clarke :

"What kind of creature bore you ?
Was it some kind of bat ?
They can't find a good word for you,
But I can : tw@t."
[quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vote 4 Pedro[/bold] wrote: [quote]Jayne388 says... 1:25pm Thu 4 Jul 13 [quote]St.Winch70 wrote: [quote]Jayne388 wrote: Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ? Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense. We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future. All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash ![/quote] A fine display of ignorance - well done.[/quote] Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder ! I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it ! Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !” [/quote] Possibly you might be right, but from a purely buisness standpoint why would and company in their right mind manufacturer products in Britain whereas they can manufacture in China for a fraction of the price? I believe I can recall reading that if Apple, for example, were to insource all their manufacturing back to America, the current version of the iPad would in turn increase in price from $600 to about $10,000.[/p][/quote]From $600 to $10,000........do you really believe that ? Somewhere an extra 0 has been added, I think ! Business interests cannot be allowed to destroy the integrity of a country. Eventually the ordinary people will rebel against the tyranny of pure financial interest - they always have in the past ! Without manufacturing, you deprive the working classes of a huge range of skilled occupations that give them an interest in life, and something worth doing. Condemning the workforce to a life of sales, service, or clerical work is unreasonable. That sort of work is fine if you like it, but where is the choice ? Where are the alternatives ? We do not have to accept the life that is thrown at us, nor the bullsh*t to justify it.[/p][/quote]You really need to stop living in the past and face the future.[/p][/quote]Tell that to the kids of the future who have to do these tedious, menial jobs. I have a shrewd suspicion of what they will say ![/p][/quote]Why? They wouldn't be able to compare it to the past because they weren't there.[/p][/quote]Yeah lets go back to the days of the coal mines and kids working at the age of 4 in workhouses! Get real and get with the times you stupid woman.[/p][/quote]If I had said what I have said in class, and you had put your hand up and made that comment, everyone would have pointed at you and laughed for being such a dozy dipstick ! Haven't got a clue, have you ?[/p][/quote]No I don't think YOU have a clue. I am really starting to believe that you actually have mental problems cos some of the sh*te you spout out on here is quite unbelievable. Onj top of that you are truly the most boring individual to grace this forum since billy the kid - ooops how silly of me - you are billy the kid ;-) ;-)[/p][/quote]Andysaints, I think you are tedious, repetitive little c**t, and I think it's time you f**ked off, don't you ? You persistently attack and insult me with absolutely no explanation or reasoning. Your purpose is pure malice. You are a bullying, vindictive animal. To quote John Cooper Clarke : "What kind of creature bore you ? Was it some kind of bat ? They can't find a good word for you, But I can : tw@t." Jayne388
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6:44am Fri 5 Jul 13

uptheirons says...

"We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future.

All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash !"

Sounds to me like you would prefer a classless, moneyless, stateless society! Which, I think you'll find, is the ideal for a communist nation.

As for the rest of the drivel you spout, I'll wager you may be a tad jealous! Did you get turned down for a job with them?
"We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future. All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash !" Sounds to me like you would prefer a classless, moneyless, stateless society! Which, I think you'll find, is the ideal for a communist nation. As for the rest of the drivel you spout, I'll wager you may be a tad jealous! Did you get turned down for a job with them? uptheirons
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7:31am Fri 5 Jul 13

good-gosh says...

It's clear these will be important technical jobs for people with practical communications knowledge and experience. Not a job for Jack-the-Lad this time folks, unless he happens to have a degree in electronic applications or something else similarly useful.
It's clear these will be important technical jobs for people with practical communications knowledge and experience. Not a job for Jack-the-Lad this time folks, unless he happens to have a degree in electronic applications or something else similarly useful. good-gosh
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7:55am Fri 5 Jul 13

froots says...

Jayne388 wrote:
froots wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
froots wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
froots wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ?

Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense.

We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future.

All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash !
A fine display of ignorance - well done.
Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder !

I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it !

Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !
It's a myth that Britain's manufacturing has died. Some of the largest brewers in the world are here; we have 8 global motor manufacturers; there's Rolls Royce; two major pharmaceutical companies - GlaxoSmithKline and AstraZeneca - have manufacturing facilities here; Sunseeker; several major ship-builders; Triumph Motorcycles; Cadbury; BAT; BAE Systems; Unilever; Reebok; there are endless smaller manufacturers in Britain. The list goes on.
Yes and they've all laid off workers over the last ten years.

Yes we still have some manufacturing, but not enough.

Back in the 60's, EVERYTHING was Made in Britain : Hi Fi's, washing machines, cookers, most cars and motorbikes, clothes, garden equipment, etc., etc., etc. People had good jobs they were proud to do because it involved skills that took years to develop fully.

Most of the rank and file work now can be learned in an hour, an afternoon at most.

For Heaven's sake, all I'm calling for is something better for our fellow countrymen and women, something for our children to look forward to. What we have now just will not do.
Personally, I'd like to think more people will start working for themselves, starting small businesses. Remember, more millionaires are created during recessions than at any other time.
Out of all the small businesses that were started, say, ten years ago, how many people have become millionaires as a result ? Out of the many thousands, maybe a dozen people made it rich. And many hundreds went bankrupt. The actual figures are probably wrong, but the principle is right.

Not everyone wants to wear a suit and sell stuff ! Some people want to turn things on a lathe, make pots, make dresses, play an instrument, design posters, take photographs, write stories - you know - INTERESTING things !

I can't even begin to imagine the tedium of trying to sell baby clothes on the internet, and having manufacturing or distribution problems !

This dull, unimaginative country is never going to spawn another Shakespeare, Beatles, Francis Bacon, Ken Russell, Frederick Delius, John Gielgud, Isambard Kingdom Brunel, Led Zeppelin, etc with its current uninspired and uninspiring attitude.
Who's talking about getting rich? People want to make pots? What's stopping them? People want to make dresses? Do it! You're setting up false dilemmas here.

The reason we won't see another Shakespeare, or Beatles, or whoever, is for the exact opposite reason you claim. The creative pursuits are now more than ever so much more accessible to the normal person on the street, that there's simply *too much* creativity going on for anyone to stand out to the degree, e.g, Led Zeppelin did. Just because the charts are uninspiring and full of fluff and nonsense, doesn't mean there isn't genuinely good music being made.

I think you're being grossly unfair to a lot of genuinely talented people by painting everyone as an army of grey dull automatons who do nothing other than mundane, tedious meaningless work.
Do I have to spell everything out ?

Try it a different way. You are the king of a country, and you have to work out a plan to keep the people happy. How do you do that ? You don't leave them to fight it out amongst themselves - that results in anarchy. They need education, work, homes, and leisure activities. There needs to be a variety of work for them to do, as they will have a variety of skills and levels of ability.
Above all else there must be hope for a bright future. Various levels of success must be achievable : "courses for horses" ! People must be able to shape their lives, not be shaped by life.

If China does all the making, and we do all the selling, we just become cogs in a big world machine. You must have seen Fritz Lang's "Metropolis".

For its population to be able to enjoy a balanced life, every country must be self-sufficient.

People should not be excited about these crummy little jobs in telesales, or about 20 part-time positions at the latest "Fast-Grub" shop.

What I am saying, froots, is that Britain is being grossly unfair to genuinely talented people by offering so much mundane, tedious work, with little opportunity for them to do much else.
I don't think you know what the word 'anarchy' means, for starters!

Anyways, your argument is based on the notion that all manufacturing is done in China, which is patently and provably not true, and that there are no jobs in Britain other than dull, meaningless mediocre ones, again patently and provably not true.
[quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]froots[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]froots[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]froots[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ? Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense. We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future. All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash ![/p][/quote]A fine display of ignorance - well done.[/p][/quote]Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder ! I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it ! Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where ![/p][/quote]It's a myth that Britain's manufacturing has died. Some of the largest brewers in the world are here; we have 8 global motor manufacturers; there's Rolls Royce; two major pharmaceutical companies - GlaxoSmithKline and AstraZeneca - have manufacturing facilities here; Sunseeker; several major ship-builders; Triumph Motorcycles; Cadbury; BAT; BAE Systems; Unilever; Reebok; there are endless smaller manufacturers in Britain. The list goes on.[/p][/quote]Yes and they've all laid off workers over the last ten years. Yes we still have some manufacturing, but not enough. Back in the 60's, EVERYTHING was Made in Britain : Hi Fi's, washing machines, cookers, most cars and motorbikes, clothes, garden equipment, etc., etc., etc. People had good jobs they were proud to do because it involved skills that took years to develop fully. Most of the rank and file work now can be learned in an hour, an afternoon at most. For Heaven's sake, all I'm calling for is something better for our fellow countrymen and women, something for our children to look forward to. What we have now just will not do.[/p][/quote]Personally, I'd like to think more people will start working for themselves, starting small businesses. Remember, more millionaires are created during recessions than at any other time.[/p][/quote]Out of all the small businesses that were started, say, ten years ago, how many people have become millionaires as a result ? Out of the many thousands, maybe a dozen people made it rich. And many hundreds went bankrupt. The actual figures are probably wrong, but the principle is right. Not everyone wants to wear a suit and sell stuff ! Some people want to turn things on a lathe, make pots, make dresses, play an instrument, design posters, take photographs, write stories - you know - INTERESTING things ! I can't even begin to imagine the tedium of trying to sell baby clothes on the internet, and having manufacturing or distribution problems ! This dull, unimaginative country is never going to spawn another Shakespeare, Beatles, Francis Bacon, Ken Russell, Frederick Delius, John Gielgud, Isambard Kingdom Brunel, Led Zeppelin, etc with its current uninspired and uninspiring attitude.[/p][/quote]Who's talking about getting rich? People want to make pots? What's stopping them? People want to make dresses? Do it! You're setting up false dilemmas here. The reason we won't see another Shakespeare, or Beatles, or whoever, is for the exact opposite reason you claim. The creative pursuits are now more than ever so much more accessible to the normal person on the street, that there's simply *too much* creativity going on for anyone to stand out to the degree, e.g, Led Zeppelin did. Just because the charts are uninspiring and full of fluff and nonsense, doesn't mean there isn't genuinely good music being made. I think you're being grossly unfair to a lot of genuinely talented people by painting everyone as an army of grey dull automatons who do nothing other than mundane, tedious meaningless work.[/p][/quote]Do I have to spell everything out ? Try it a different way. You are the king of a country, and you have to work out a plan to keep the people happy. How do you do that ? You don't leave them to fight it out amongst themselves - that results in anarchy. They need education, work, homes, and leisure activities. There needs to be a variety of work for them to do, as they will have a variety of skills and levels of ability. Above all else there must be hope for a bright future. Various levels of success must be achievable : "courses for horses" ! People must be able to shape their lives, not be shaped by life. If China does all the making, and we do all the selling, we just become cogs in a big world machine. You must have seen Fritz Lang's "Metropolis". For its population to be able to enjoy a balanced life, every country must be self-sufficient. People should not be excited about these crummy little jobs in telesales, or about 20 part-time positions at the latest "Fast-Grub" shop. What I am saying, froots, is that Britain is being grossly unfair to genuinely talented people by offering so much mundane, tedious work, with little opportunity for them to do much else.[/p][/quote]I don't think you know what the word 'anarchy' means, for starters! Anyways, your argument is based on the notion that all manufacturing is done in China, which is patently and provably not true, and that there are no jobs in Britain other than dull, meaningless mediocre ones, again patently and provably not true. froots
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7:57am Fri 5 Jul 13

froots says...

jen1 wrote:
froots wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ?

Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense.

We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future.

All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash !
A fine display of ignorance - well done.
Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder !

I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it !

Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !
It's a myth that Britain's manufacturing has died. Some of the largest brewers in the world are here; we have 8 global motor manufacturers; there's Rolls Royce; two major pharmaceutical companies - GlaxoSmithKline and AstraZeneca - have manufacturing facilities here; Sunseeker; several major ship-builders; Triumph Motorcycles; Cadbury; BAT; BAE Systems; Unilever; Reebok; there are endless smaller manufacturers in Britain. The list goes on.
I must pick you up on a couple of those. Firstly sunseeker has recently been sold to the Chinese and it's future here is not certain and secondly Cadbury. Cadbury were bought out by kraft, who promptly shut down most of their British production and moved to Poland, they also changed the recipe. The same thing happened with twinings tea and that was the point at which I stopped buying the muck.

Jayne is right, we do need real jobs for people, we also need to stop giving the jobs we do have away to economic migrants from Eastern Europe.

This country is a mess and nothing is being done about it
Sunseeker still currently manufacture here, so that point is invalid. We can't make statements about the present, based on what might happen in the future. But Cadbury? Yes, I guess you're right there.
[quote][p][bold]jen1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]froots[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ? Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense. We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future. All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash ![/p][/quote]A fine display of ignorance - well done.[/p][/quote]Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder ! I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it ! Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where ![/p][/quote]It's a myth that Britain's manufacturing has died. Some of the largest brewers in the world are here; we have 8 global motor manufacturers; there's Rolls Royce; two major pharmaceutical companies - GlaxoSmithKline and AstraZeneca - have manufacturing facilities here; Sunseeker; several major ship-builders; Triumph Motorcycles; Cadbury; BAT; BAE Systems; Unilever; Reebok; there are endless smaller manufacturers in Britain. The list goes on.[/p][/quote]I must pick you up on a couple of those. Firstly sunseeker has recently been sold to the Chinese and it's future here is not certain and secondly Cadbury. Cadbury were bought out by kraft, who promptly shut down most of their British production and moved to Poland, they also changed the recipe. The same thing happened with twinings tea and that was the point at which I stopped buying the muck. Jayne is right, we do need real jobs for people, we also need to stop giving the jobs we do have away to economic migrants from Eastern Europe. This country is a mess and nothing is being done about it[/p][/quote]Sunseeker still currently manufacture here, so that point is invalid. We can't make statements about the present, based on what might happen in the future. But Cadbury? Yes, I guess you're right there. froots
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7:59am Fri 5 Jul 13

froots says...

Jayne388 wrote:
uptheirons wrote:
@jayne388

Are you some form of communist? I only ask because I reckon there is absolutely no one in the employ of that company who is being forced to work there.

Each one of those people 'chose' their own career path, and granted, some maybe stumbled across it by accident.

I think I can pretty much guarantee none were dragged to their interviews and made to perform well enough to be successful.

I think you should maybe reign your horse and step down before jumping on a plane to Korea in a Gangnam style!
At a guess, I would say that comprehension was not one of your strengths at school.

You certainly have no idea at all what Communism is about !

Telesales is not a career ! It's a job you sometimes do until you can begin a career.

In fact, what you say makes no sense at all. If what you say is your interpretation of what I was trying to say, you are on Planet Zog ! !
Not everyone wants a career. Seriously. You're acting like there is no opportunity in this country whatsoever, but that's simply not true.
[quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]uptheirons[/bold] wrote: @jayne388 Are you some form of communist? I only ask because I reckon there is absolutely no one in the employ of that company who is being forced to work there. Each one of those people 'chose' their own career path, and granted, some maybe stumbled across it by accident. I think I can pretty much guarantee none were dragged to their interviews and made to perform well enough to be successful. I think you should maybe reign your [high] horse and step down before jumping on a plane to Korea in a Gangnam style![/p][/quote]At a guess, I would say that comprehension was not one of your strengths at school. You certainly have no idea at all what Communism is about ! Telesales is not a career ! It's a job you sometimes do until you can begin a career. In fact, what you say makes no sense at all. If what you say is your interpretation of what I was trying to say, you are on Planet Zog ! ![/p][/quote]Not everyone wants a career. Seriously. You're acting like there is no opportunity in this country whatsoever, but that's simply not true. froots
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8:15am Fri 5 Jul 13

jane388! says...

Jayne388 wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
S!monOn wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
S!monOn wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
Vote 4 Pedro wrote:
Jayne388 says...
1:25pm Thu 4 Jul 13

St.Winch70 wrote:

Jayne388 wrote:
Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ?

Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense.

We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future.

All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash !

A fine display of ignorance - well done.

Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder !

I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it !

Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !”


Possibly you might be right, but from a purely buisness standpoint why would and company in their right mind manufacturer products in Britain whereas they can manufacture in China for a fraction of the price?

I believe I can recall reading that if Apple, for example, were to insource all their manufacturing back to America, the current version of the iPad would in turn increase in price from $600 to about $10,000.
From $600 to $10,000........do you really believe that ? Somewhere an extra 0 has been added, I think !

Business interests cannot be allowed to destroy the integrity of a country. Eventually the ordinary people will rebel against the tyranny of pure financial interest - they always have in the past !

Without manufacturing, you deprive the working classes of a huge range of skilled occupations that give them an interest in life, and something worth doing. Condemning the workforce to a life of sales, service, or clerical work is unreasonable. That sort of work is fine if you like it, but where is the choice ? Where are the alternatives ?

We do not have to accept the life that is thrown at us, nor the bullsh*t to justify it.
You really need to stop living in the past and face the future.
Tell that to the kids of the future who have to do these tedious, menial jobs. I have a shrewd suspicion of what they will say !
Why? They wouldn't be able to compare it to the past because they weren't there.
Yeah lets go back to the days of the coal mines and kids working at the age of 4 in workhouses! Get real and get with the times you stupid woman.
If I had said what I have said in class, and you had put your hand up and made that comment, everyone would have pointed at you and laughed for being such a dozy dipstick !

Haven't got a clue, have you ?
No I don't think YOU have a clue. I am really starting to believe that you actually have mental problems cos some of the sh*te you spout out on here is quite unbelievable.
Onj top of that you are truly the most boring individual to grace this forum since billy the kid - ooops how silly of me - you are billy the kid ;-) ;-)
Andysaints, I think you are tedious, repetitive little c**t, and I think it's time you f**ked off, don't you ?

You persistently attack and insult me with absolutely no explanation or reasoning. Your purpose is pure malice. You are a bullying, vindictive animal. To quote John Cooper Clarke :

"What kind of creature bore you ?
Was it some kind of bat ?
They can't find a good word for you,
But I can : tw@t."
Jane i thought we had discussed this??

You need to play nice with others and not call them names! I really thought we had seen some progress and then you go and post some very nasty things!!

I'm afraid its an F for you and you will have to sit on your own at the back of the class until you can be nice!!
[quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vote 4 Pedro[/bold] wrote: [quote]Jayne388 says... 1:25pm Thu 4 Jul 13 [quote]St.Winch70 wrote: [quote]Jayne388 wrote: Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ? Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense. We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future. All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash ![/quote] A fine display of ignorance - well done.[/quote] Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder ! I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it ! Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !” [/quote] Possibly you might be right, but from a purely buisness standpoint why would and company in their right mind manufacturer products in Britain whereas they can manufacture in China for a fraction of the price? I believe I can recall reading that if Apple, for example, were to insource all their manufacturing back to America, the current version of the iPad would in turn increase in price from $600 to about $10,000.[/p][/quote]From $600 to $10,000........do you really believe that ? Somewhere an extra 0 has been added, I think ! Business interests cannot be allowed to destroy the integrity of a country. Eventually the ordinary people will rebel against the tyranny of pure financial interest - they always have in the past ! Without manufacturing, you deprive the working classes of a huge range of skilled occupations that give them an interest in life, and something worth doing. Condemning the workforce to a life of sales, service, or clerical work is unreasonable. That sort of work is fine if you like it, but where is the choice ? Where are the alternatives ? We do not have to accept the life that is thrown at us, nor the bullsh*t to justify it.[/p][/quote]You really need to stop living in the past and face the future.[/p][/quote]Tell that to the kids of the future who have to do these tedious, menial jobs. I have a shrewd suspicion of what they will say ![/p][/quote]Why? They wouldn't be able to compare it to the past because they weren't there.[/p][/quote]Yeah lets go back to the days of the coal mines and kids working at the age of 4 in workhouses! Get real and get with the times you stupid woman.[/p][/quote]If I had said what I have said in class, and you had put your hand up and made that comment, everyone would have pointed at you and laughed for being such a dozy dipstick ! Haven't got a clue, have you ?[/p][/quote]No I don't think YOU have a clue. I am really starting to believe that you actually have mental problems cos some of the sh*te you spout out on here is quite unbelievable. Onj top of that you are truly the most boring individual to grace this forum since billy the kid - ooops how silly of me - you are billy the kid ;-) ;-)[/p][/quote]Andysaints, I think you are tedious, repetitive little c**t, and I think it's time you f**ked off, don't you ? You persistently attack and insult me with absolutely no explanation or reasoning. Your purpose is pure malice. You are a bullying, vindictive animal. To quote John Cooper Clarke : "What kind of creature bore you ? Was it some kind of bat ? They can't find a good word for you, But I can : tw@t."[/p][/quote]Jane i thought we had discussed this?? You need to play nice with others and not call them names! I really thought we had seen some progress and then you go and post some very nasty things!! I'm afraid its an F for you and you will have to sit on your own at the back of the class until you can be nice!! jane388!
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8:26am Fri 5 Jul 13

jen1 says...

froots wrote:
jen1 wrote:
froots wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ?

Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense.

We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future.

All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash !
A fine display of ignorance - well done.
Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder !

I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it !

Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !
It's a myth that Britain's manufacturing has died. Some of the largest brewers in the world are here; we have 8 global motor manufacturers; there's Rolls Royce; two major pharmaceutical companies - GlaxoSmithKline and AstraZeneca - have manufacturing facilities here; Sunseeker; several major ship-builders; Triumph Motorcycles; Cadbury; BAT; BAE Systems; Unilever; Reebok; there are endless smaller manufacturers in Britain. The list goes on.
I must pick you up on a couple of those. Firstly sunseeker has recently been sold to the Chinese and it's future here is not certain and secondly Cadbury. Cadbury were bought out by kraft, who promptly shut down most of their British production and moved to Poland, they also changed the recipe. The same thing happened with twinings tea and that was the point at which I stopped buying the muck.

Jayne is right, we do need real jobs for people, we also need to stop giving the jobs we do have away to economic migrants from Eastern Europe.

This country is a mess and nothing is being done about it
Sunseeker still currently manufacture here, so that point is invalid. We can't make statements about the present, based on what might happen in the future. But Cadbury? Yes, I guess you're right there.
We do not have a manufacturing industry any more though, it has been killed off in favour of a service one. How many people do Rolls Royce and Triumph employ? I don't have anything against Chinese products as such but the point is, we do need many more proper jobs in this country.
[quote][p][bold]froots[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jen1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]froots[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ? Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense. We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future. All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash ![/p][/quote]A fine display of ignorance - well done.[/p][/quote]Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder ! I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it ! Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where ![/p][/quote]It's a myth that Britain's manufacturing has died. Some of the largest brewers in the world are here; we have 8 global motor manufacturers; there's Rolls Royce; two major pharmaceutical companies - GlaxoSmithKline and AstraZeneca - have manufacturing facilities here; Sunseeker; several major ship-builders; Triumph Motorcycles; Cadbury; BAT; BAE Systems; Unilever; Reebok; there are endless smaller manufacturers in Britain. The list goes on.[/p][/quote]I must pick you up on a couple of those. Firstly sunseeker has recently been sold to the Chinese and it's future here is not certain and secondly Cadbury. Cadbury were bought out by kraft, who promptly shut down most of their British production and moved to Poland, they also changed the recipe. The same thing happened with twinings tea and that was the point at which I stopped buying the muck. Jayne is right, we do need real jobs for people, we also need to stop giving the jobs we do have away to economic migrants from Eastern Europe. This country is a mess and nothing is being done about it[/p][/quote]Sunseeker still currently manufacture here, so that point is invalid. We can't make statements about the present, based on what might happen in the future. But Cadbury? Yes, I guess you're right there.[/p][/quote]We do not have a manufacturing industry any more though, it has been killed off in favour of a service one. How many people do Rolls Royce and Triumph employ? I don't have anything against Chinese products as such but the point is, we do need many more proper jobs in this country. jen1
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8:30am Fri 5 Jul 13

froots says...

jen1 wrote:
froots wrote:
jen1 wrote:
froots wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ?

Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense.

We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future.

All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash !
A fine display of ignorance - well done.
Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder !

I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it !

Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !
It's a myth that Britain's manufacturing has died. Some of the largest brewers in the world are here; we have 8 global motor manufacturers; there's Rolls Royce; two major pharmaceutical companies - GlaxoSmithKline and AstraZeneca - have manufacturing facilities here; Sunseeker; several major ship-builders; Triumph Motorcycles; Cadbury; BAT; BAE Systems; Unilever; Reebok; there are endless smaller manufacturers in Britain. The list goes on.
I must pick you up on a couple of those. Firstly sunseeker has recently been sold to the Chinese and it's future here is not certain and secondly Cadbury. Cadbury were bought out by kraft, who promptly shut down most of their British production and moved to Poland, they also changed the recipe. The same thing happened with twinings tea and that was the point at which I stopped buying the muck.

Jayne is right, we do need real jobs for people, we also need to stop giving the jobs we do have away to economic migrants from Eastern Europe.

This country is a mess and nothing is being done about it
Sunseeker still currently manufacture here, so that point is invalid. We can't make statements about the present, based on what might happen in the future. But Cadbury? Yes, I guess you're right there.
We do not have a manufacturing industry any more though, it has been killed off in favour of a service one. How many people do Rolls Royce and Triumph employ? I don't have anything against Chinese products as such but the point is, we do need many more proper jobs in this country.
This is not true. As I demonstrated in the very post you first responded to. Go read it again.
[quote][p][bold]jen1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]froots[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jen1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]froots[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ? Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense. We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future. All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash ![/p][/quote]A fine display of ignorance - well done.[/p][/quote]Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder ! I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it ! Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where ![/p][/quote]It's a myth that Britain's manufacturing has died. Some of the largest brewers in the world are here; we have 8 global motor manufacturers; there's Rolls Royce; two major pharmaceutical companies - GlaxoSmithKline and AstraZeneca - have manufacturing facilities here; Sunseeker; several major ship-builders; Triumph Motorcycles; Cadbury; BAT; BAE Systems; Unilever; Reebok; there are endless smaller manufacturers in Britain. The list goes on.[/p][/quote]I must pick you up on a couple of those. Firstly sunseeker has recently been sold to the Chinese and it's future here is not certain and secondly Cadbury. Cadbury were bought out by kraft, who promptly shut down most of their British production and moved to Poland, they also changed the recipe. The same thing happened with twinings tea and that was the point at which I stopped buying the muck. Jayne is right, we do need real jobs for people, we also need to stop giving the jobs we do have away to economic migrants from Eastern Europe. This country is a mess and nothing is being done about it[/p][/quote]Sunseeker still currently manufacture here, so that point is invalid. We can't make statements about the present, based on what might happen in the future. But Cadbury? Yes, I guess you're right there.[/p][/quote]We do not have a manufacturing industry any more though, it has been killed off in favour of a service one. How many people do Rolls Royce and Triumph employ? I don't have anything against Chinese products as such but the point is, we do need many more proper jobs in this country.[/p][/quote]This is not true. As I demonstrated in the very post you first responded to. Go read it again. froots
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8:54am Fri 5 Jul 13

jane388! says...

Jayne388 wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
S!monOn wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
S!monOn wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
Vote 4 Pedro wrote:
Jayne388 says...
1:25pm Thu 4 Jul 13

St.Winch70 wrote:

Jayne388 wrote:
Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ?

Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense.

We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future.

All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash !

A fine display of ignorance - well done.

Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder !

I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it !

Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !”


Possibly you might be right, but from a purely buisness standpoint why would and company in their right mind manufacturer products in Britain whereas they can manufacture in China for a fraction of the price?

I believe I can recall reading that if Apple, for example, were to insource all their manufacturing back to America, the current version of the iPad would in turn increase in price from $600 to about $10,000.
From $600 to $10,000........do you really believe that ? Somewhere an extra 0 has been added, I think !

Business interests cannot be allowed to destroy the integrity of a country. Eventually the ordinary people will rebel against the tyranny of pure financial interest - they always have in the past !

Without manufacturing, you deprive the working classes of a huge range of skilled occupations that give them an interest in life, and something worth doing. Condemning the workforce to a life of sales, service, or clerical work is unreasonable. That sort of work is fine if you like it, but where is the choice ? Where are the alternatives ?

We do not have to accept the life that is thrown at us, nor the bullsh*t to justify it.
You really need to stop living in the past and face the future.
Tell that to the kids of the future who have to do these tedious, menial jobs. I have a shrewd suspicion of what they will say !
Why? They wouldn't be able to compare it to the past because they weren't there.
Yeah lets go back to the days of the coal mines and kids working at the age of 4 in workhouses! Get real and get with the times you stupid woman.
If I had said what I have said in class, and you had put your hand up and made that comment, everyone would have pointed at you and laughed for being such a dozy dipstick !

Haven't got a clue, have you ?
No I don't think YOU have a clue. I am really starting to believe that you actually have mental problems cos some of the sh*te you spout out on here is quite unbelievable.
Onj top of that you are truly the most boring individual to grace this forum since billy the kid - ooops how silly of me - you are billy the kid ;-) ;-)
Andysaints, I think you are tedious, repetitive little c**t, and I think it's time you f**ked off, don't you ?

You persistently attack and insult me with absolutely no explanation or reasoning. Your purpose is pure malice. You are a bullying, vindictive animal. To quote John Cooper Clarke :

"What kind of creature bore you ?
Was it some kind of bat ?
They can't find a good word for you,
But I can : tw@t."
Andysaints i must apologise for my namesake, she is in a very foul mood today and i can't for the life of me think why??

I think its maybe because she has not taken her Meds, but as you can see i have had a word and hopefully she will be more pleasant and polite today! :)
[quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vote 4 Pedro[/bold] wrote: [quote]Jayne388 says... 1:25pm Thu 4 Jul 13 [quote]St.Winch70 wrote: [quote]Jayne388 wrote: Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ? Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense. We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future. All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash ![/quote] A fine display of ignorance - well done.[/quote] Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder ! I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it ! Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !” [/quote] Possibly you might be right, but from a purely buisness standpoint why would and company in their right mind manufacturer products in Britain whereas they can manufacture in China for a fraction of the price? I believe I can recall reading that if Apple, for example, were to insource all their manufacturing back to America, the current version of the iPad would in turn increase in price from $600 to about $10,000.[/p][/quote]From $600 to $10,000........do you really believe that ? Somewhere an extra 0 has been added, I think ! Business interests cannot be allowed to destroy the integrity of a country. Eventually the ordinary people will rebel against the tyranny of pure financial interest - they always have in the past ! Without manufacturing, you deprive the working classes of a huge range of skilled occupations that give them an interest in life, and something worth doing. Condemning the workforce to a life of sales, service, or clerical work is unreasonable. That sort of work is fine if you like it, but where is the choice ? Where are the alternatives ? We do not have to accept the life that is thrown at us, nor the bullsh*t to justify it.[/p][/quote]You really need to stop living in the past and face the future.[/p][/quote]Tell that to the kids of the future who have to do these tedious, menial jobs. I have a shrewd suspicion of what they will say ![/p][/quote]Why? They wouldn't be able to compare it to the past because they weren't there.[/p][/quote]Yeah lets go back to the days of the coal mines and kids working at the age of 4 in workhouses! Get real and get with the times you stupid woman.[/p][/quote]If I had said what I have said in class, and you had put your hand up and made that comment, everyone would have pointed at you and laughed for being such a dozy dipstick ! Haven't got a clue, have you ?[/p][/quote]No I don't think YOU have a clue. I am really starting to believe that you actually have mental problems cos some of the sh*te you spout out on here is quite unbelievable. Onj top of that you are truly the most boring individual to grace this forum since billy the kid - ooops how silly of me - you are billy the kid ;-) ;-)[/p][/quote]Andysaints, I think you are tedious, repetitive little c**t, and I think it's time you f**ked off, don't you ? You persistently attack and insult me with absolutely no explanation or reasoning. Your purpose is pure malice. You are a bullying, vindictive animal. To quote John Cooper Clarke : "What kind of creature bore you ? Was it some kind of bat ? They can't find a good word for you, But I can : tw@t."[/p][/quote]Andysaints i must apologise for my namesake, she is in a very foul mood today and i can't for the life of me think why?? I think its maybe because she has not taken her Meds, but as you can see i have had a word and hopefully she will be more pleasant and polite today! :) jane388!
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11:03am Fri 5 Jul 13

Jesus_02 says...

Jayne388 wrote:
Jesus_02 wrote:
Jayne388 wrote: Once again the low-life, scumbag schoolboys are back with their usual brand of lies, bullsh*t, and fake ID's. At least Billy The Kid was interesting and entertaining. You, on the other hand, are shallow, empty, with nothing of any value to say !
"We need careers for people, not odd LOL - (that means you made me laugh BTW (that means "by the way" BTW)) Sorry to dissapoint you Jayne388 but it isnt the real Billy The Kid "We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future" From a teacher of 30years "those who can't" Jayne "those who cant"
Try to focus on the subject and not on trying to outwit me. With the latter, you have no chance. Wept much lately ? By the way, who told you I was a teacher ? Where did you get the 30 years from ? You clearly have some information from earlier posts, so under what name did you post then ? You have proved me right in that you are using this current nickname to take the pi$$. Why did you bother ? You have nothing intelligent or witty to say, have you ?
Jayne388 I think you may be a Troll. (you may need to look that up, as today it means more than something hairy that lives under a bridge)

If you are genuinely intending to have a discussion, try not to swear, and be aware that you may come across like someone with a superior they are lesser than you. Perhaps its because you are where used to dealing with children (you revealed this on a previous thread where you also attacked me for my name).

I suggest you change you "nickname", take a deep breath and start again.

This country may never produce another Shakespeare, Beatles, Francis Bacon or even "good ole "Ken Russell. But the world still turns. We don’t have Brunel now (an extraordinary man) but we do have Sir Tim Berners-Lee to bask in the reflective glory of.

There is also scholarly debate as to the singular ownership of the work of Shakespeare. He may have been an early collaborator. Imagine that... people getting together and creating a new language, changing grammar, and using metaphors to the point where the meaning of words actually change, so much so that now YOU don’t really understand them (almost poetic really isn’t it?).

I am sure that you will disagree, believing that, instead of creating something, modern culture is destroying something precious. I am as sure, as I am sure, that the sun will rise tomorrow, and that day will be destroyed by the night. However as I learned at Uni in the 90’s (a clue to my age) as Jung said “the creative mind plays with the objects it loves”. This is time passing Jayne.

You may not like the idea of people doing communications jobs, but they need to be done in the same way that Navys had to dig the canals, waterways and railways of our country. Are they forgotten heroes, who's like we will never see again? Not in their time. In their time they where just people that dug holes by day and lived in the evenings, people that, people like you sneered at, because there work was no worthwhile.
[quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: Once again the low-life, scumbag schoolboys are back with their usual brand of lies, bullsh*t, and fake ID's. At least Billy The Kid was interesting and entertaining. You, on the other hand, are shallow, empty, with nothing of any value to say ![/p][/quote]"We need careers for people, not odd LOL - (that means you made me laugh BTW (that means "by the way" BTW)) Sorry to dissapoint you Jayne388 but it isnt the real Billy The Kid "We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future" From a teacher of 30years "those who can't" Jayne "those who cant"[/p][/quote]Try to focus on the subject and not on trying to outwit me. With the latter, you have no chance. Wept much lately ? By the way, who told you I was a teacher ? Where did you get the 30 years from ? You clearly have some information from earlier posts, so under what name did you post then ? You have proved me right in that you are using this current nickname to take the pi$$. Why did you bother ? You have nothing intelligent or witty to say, have you ?[/p][/quote]Jayne388 I think you may be a Troll. (you may need to look that up, as today it means more than something hairy that lives under a bridge) If you are genuinely intending to have a discussion, try not to swear, and be aware that you may come across like someone with a superior they are lesser than you. Perhaps its because you are where used to dealing with children (you revealed this on a previous thread where you also attacked me for my name). I suggest you change you "nickname", take a deep breath and start again. This country may never produce another Shakespeare, Beatles, Francis Bacon or even "good ole "Ken Russell. But the world still turns. We don’t have Brunel now (an extraordinary man) but we do have Sir Tim Berners-Lee to bask in the reflective glory of. There is also scholarly debate as to the singular ownership of the work of Shakespeare. He may have been an early collaborator. Imagine that... people getting together and creating a new language, changing grammar, and using metaphors to the point where the meaning of words actually change, so much so that now YOU don’t really understand them (almost poetic really isn’t it?). I am sure that you will disagree, believing that, instead of creating something, modern culture is destroying something precious. I am as sure, as I am sure, that the sun will rise tomorrow, and that day will be destroyed by the night. However as I learned at Uni in the 90’s (a clue to my age) as Jung said “the creative mind plays with the objects it loves”. This is time passing Jayne. You may not like the idea of people doing communications jobs, but they need to be done in the same way that Navys had to dig the canals, waterways and railways of our country. Are they forgotten heroes, who's like we will never see again? Not in their time. In their time they where just people that dug holes by day and lived in the evenings, people that, people like you sneered at, because there work was no worthwhile. Jesus_02
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11:20am Fri 5 Jul 13

jane388! says...

Jesus_02 wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
Jesus_02 wrote:
Jayne388 wrote: Once again the low-life, scumbag schoolboys are back with their usual brand of lies, bullsh*t, and fake ID's. At least Billy The Kid was interesting and entertaining. You, on the other hand, are shallow, empty, with nothing of any value to say !
"We need careers for people, not odd LOL - (that means you made me laugh BTW (that means "by the way" BTW)) Sorry to dissapoint you Jayne388 but it isnt the real Billy The Kid "We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future" From a teacher of 30years "those who can't" Jayne "those who cant"
Try to focus on the subject and not on trying to outwit me. With the latter, you have no chance. Wept much lately ? By the way, who told you I was a teacher ? Where did you get the 30 years from ? You clearly have some information from earlier posts, so under what name did you post then ? You have proved me right in that you are using this current nickname to take the pi$$. Why did you bother ? You have nothing intelligent or witty to say, have you ?
Jayne388 I think you may be a Troll. (you may need to look that up, as today it means more than something hairy that lives under a bridge)

If you are genuinely intending to have a discussion, try not to swear, and be aware that you may come across like someone with a superior they are lesser than you. Perhaps its because you are where used to dealing with children (you revealed this on a previous thread where you also attacked me for my name).

I suggest you change you "nickname", take a deep breath and start again.

This country may never produce another Shakespeare, Beatles, Francis Bacon or even "good ole "Ken Russell. But the world still turns. We don’t have Brunel now (an extraordinary man) but we do have Sir Tim Berners-Lee to bask in the reflective glory of.

There is also scholarly debate as to the singular ownership of the work of Shakespeare. He may have been an early collaborator. Imagine that... people getting together and creating a new language, changing grammar, and using metaphors to the point where the meaning of words actually change, so much so that now YOU don’t really understand them (almost poetic really isn’t it?).

I am sure that you will disagree, believing that, instead of creating something, modern culture is destroying something precious. I am as sure, as I am sure, that the sun will rise tomorrow, and that day will be destroyed by the night. However as I learned at Uni in the 90’s (a clue to my age) as Jung said “the creative mind plays with the objects it loves”. This is time passing Jayne.

You may not like the idea of people doing communications jobs, but they need to be done in the same way that Navys had to dig the canals, waterways and railways of our country. Are they forgotten heroes, who's like we will never see again? Not in their time. In their time they where just people that dug holes by day and lived in the evenings, people that, people like you sneered at, because there work was no worthwhile.
Jesus Don't take it personally, Jayne will disagree with anybody on here just to start a debate whether she is right or wrong!

She will then resort to petty name calling or accusing you of being someone else when she knows you can have a reasoned debate.

Just let her be as she only seems to be on here when the crazy home has let her out for the day! :)
[quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: Once again the low-life, scumbag schoolboys are back with their usual brand of lies, bullsh*t, and fake ID's. At least Billy The Kid was interesting and entertaining. You, on the other hand, are shallow, empty, with nothing of any value to say ![/p][/quote]"We need careers for people, not odd LOL - (that means you made me laugh BTW (that means "by the way" BTW)) Sorry to dissapoint you Jayne388 but it isnt the real Billy The Kid "We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future" From a teacher of 30years "those who can't" Jayne "those who cant"[/p][/quote]Try to focus on the subject and not on trying to outwit me. With the latter, you have no chance. Wept much lately ? By the way, who told you I was a teacher ? Where did you get the 30 years from ? You clearly have some information from earlier posts, so under what name did you post then ? You have proved me right in that you are using this current nickname to take the pi$$. Why did you bother ? You have nothing intelligent or witty to say, have you ?[/p][/quote]Jayne388 I think you may be a Troll. (you may need to look that up, as today it means more than something hairy that lives under a bridge) If you are genuinely intending to have a discussion, try not to swear, and be aware that you may come across like someone with a superior they are lesser than you. Perhaps its because you are where used to dealing with children (you revealed this on a previous thread where you also attacked me for my name). I suggest you change you "nickname", take a deep breath and start again. This country may never produce another Shakespeare, Beatles, Francis Bacon or even "good ole "Ken Russell. But the world still turns. We don’t have Brunel now (an extraordinary man) but we do have Sir Tim Berners-Lee to bask in the reflective glory of. There is also scholarly debate as to the singular ownership of the work of Shakespeare. He may have been an early collaborator. Imagine that... people getting together and creating a new language, changing grammar, and using metaphors to the point where the meaning of words actually change, so much so that now YOU don’t really understand them (almost poetic really isn’t it?). I am sure that you will disagree, believing that, instead of creating something, modern culture is destroying something precious. I am as sure, as I am sure, that the sun will rise tomorrow, and that day will be destroyed by the night. However as I learned at Uni in the 90’s (a clue to my age) as Jung said “the creative mind plays with the objects it loves”. This is time passing Jayne. You may not like the idea of people doing communications jobs, but they need to be done in the same way that Navys had to dig the canals, waterways and railways of our country. Are they forgotten heroes, who's like we will never see again? Not in their time. In their time they where just people that dug holes by day and lived in the evenings, people that, people like you sneered at, because there work was no worthwhile.[/p][/quote]Jesus Don't take it personally, Jayne will disagree with anybody on here just to start a debate whether she is right or wrong! She will then resort to petty name calling or accusing you of being someone else when she knows you can have a reasoned debate. Just let her be as she only seems to be on here when the crazy home has let her out for the day! :) jane388!
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11:36am Fri 5 Jul 13

S!monOn says...

Jayne388 wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
S!monOn wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
S!monOn wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
Vote 4 Pedro wrote:
Jayne388 says...
1:25pm Thu 4 Jul 13

St.Winch70 wrote:

Jayne388 wrote:
Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ?

Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense.

We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future.

All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash !

A fine display of ignorance - well done.

Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder !

I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it !

Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !”


Possibly you might be right, but from a purely buisness standpoint why would and company in their right mind manufacturer products in Britain whereas they can manufacture in China for a fraction of the price?

I believe I can recall reading that if Apple, for example, were to insource all their manufacturing back to America, the current version of the iPad would in turn increase in price from $600 to about $10,000.
From $600 to $10,000........do you really believe that ? Somewhere an extra 0 has been added, I think !

Business interests cannot be allowed to destroy the integrity of a country. Eventually the ordinary people will rebel against the tyranny of pure financial interest - they always have in the past !

Without manufacturing, you deprive the working classes of a huge range of skilled occupations that give them an interest in life, and something worth doing. Condemning the workforce to a life of sales, service, or clerical work is unreasonable. That sort of work is fine if you like it, but where is the choice ? Where are the alternatives ?

We do not have to accept the life that is thrown at us, nor the bullsh*t to justify it.
You really need to stop living in the past and face the future.
Tell that to the kids of the future who have to do these tedious, menial jobs. I have a shrewd suspicion of what they will say !
Why? They wouldn't be able to compare it to the past because they weren't there.
Yeah lets go back to the days of the coal mines and kids working at the age of 4 in workhouses! Get real and get with the times you stupid woman.
If I had said what I have said in class, and you had put your hand up and made that comment, everyone would have pointed at you and laughed for being such a dozy dipstick !

Haven't got a clue, have you ?
No I don't think YOU have a clue. I am really starting to believe that you actually have mental problems cos some of the sh*te you spout out on here is quite unbelievable.
Onj top of that you are truly the most boring individual to grace this forum since billy the kid - ooops how silly of me - you are billy the kid ;-) ;-)
Andysaints, I think you are tedious, repetitive little c**t, and I think it's time you f**ked off, don't you ?

You persistently attack and insult me with absolutely no explanation or reasoning. Your purpose is pure malice. You are a bullying, vindictive animal. To quote John Cooper Clarke :

"What kind of creature bore you ?
Was it some kind of bat ?
They can't find a good word for you,
But I can : tw@t."
Any little credibility you have has just gone down the drain.

When you climb into bed with the rest of the foul mouthed lot you are just as bad as them and deserve to rot in the gutter.

Take your silly arguments and sod off.

Tw@t? Take a good long look in the mirror.
[quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vote 4 Pedro[/bold] wrote: [quote]Jayne388 says... 1:25pm Thu 4 Jul 13 [quote]St.Winch70 wrote: [quote]Jayne388 wrote: Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ? Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense. We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future. All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash ![/quote] A fine display of ignorance - well done.[/quote] Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder ! I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it ! Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !” [/quote] Possibly you might be right, but from a purely buisness standpoint why would and company in their right mind manufacturer products in Britain whereas they can manufacture in China for a fraction of the price? I believe I can recall reading that if Apple, for example, were to insource all their manufacturing back to America, the current version of the iPad would in turn increase in price from $600 to about $10,000.[/p][/quote]From $600 to $10,000........do you really believe that ? Somewhere an extra 0 has been added, I think ! Business interests cannot be allowed to destroy the integrity of a country. Eventually the ordinary people will rebel against the tyranny of pure financial interest - they always have in the past ! Without manufacturing, you deprive the working classes of a huge range of skilled occupations that give them an interest in life, and something worth doing. Condemning the workforce to a life of sales, service, or clerical work is unreasonable. That sort of work is fine if you like it, but where is the choice ? Where are the alternatives ? We do not have to accept the life that is thrown at us, nor the bullsh*t to justify it.[/p][/quote]You really need to stop living in the past and face the future.[/p][/quote]Tell that to the kids of the future who have to do these tedious, menial jobs. I have a shrewd suspicion of what they will say ![/p][/quote]Why? They wouldn't be able to compare it to the past because they weren't there.[/p][/quote]Yeah lets go back to the days of the coal mines and kids working at the age of 4 in workhouses! Get real and get with the times you stupid woman.[/p][/quote]If I had said what I have said in class, and you had put your hand up and made that comment, everyone would have pointed at you and laughed for being such a dozy dipstick ! Haven't got a clue, have you ?[/p][/quote]No I don't think YOU have a clue. I am really starting to believe that you actually have mental problems cos some of the sh*te you spout out on here is quite unbelievable. Onj top of that you are truly the most boring individual to grace this forum since billy the kid - ooops how silly of me - you are billy the kid ;-) ;-)[/p][/quote]Andysaints, I think you are tedious, repetitive little c**t, and I think it's time you f**ked off, don't you ? You persistently attack and insult me with absolutely no explanation or reasoning. Your purpose is pure malice. You are a bullying, vindictive animal. To quote John Cooper Clarke : "What kind of creature bore you ? Was it some kind of bat ? They can't find a good word for you, But I can : tw@t."[/p][/quote]Any little credibility you have has just gone down the drain. When you climb into bed with the rest of the foul mouthed lot you are just as bad as them and deserve to rot in the gutter. Take your silly arguments and sod off. Tw@t? Take a good long look in the mirror. S!monOn
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11:37am Fri 5 Jul 13

Jayne388 says...

uptheirons wrote:
"We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future.

All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash !"

Sounds to me like you would prefer a classless, moneyless, stateless society! Which, I think you'll find, is the ideal for a communist nation.

As for the rest of the drivel you spout, I'll wager you may be a tad jealous! Did you get turned down for a job with them?
I'm a retired teacher, very comfortable thank-you, and am probably over-qualified for a telesales job.

I, personally, would prefer a society that shared wealth and opportunities in an altruistic fashion. Some people will be wealthier than others for all sorts of reasons, but there must be something wrong in a society where massively rich people live happily alongside others in abject poverty.

Communism. Isn't that where the general population are kept equally poor, with reduced rights, so that a dominant minority ruling class can keep things under their express control ? Like China, or the old Soviet regimes ? Does it really sound like I am advocating that ?

Unfortunately, you are a brainwashed turkey that has been encouraged to look upon Christmas as having its downside, but has much to recommend it !

I have lived long enough to have known much better, fairer times, where unemployment was low, and people were generally happier. Fierce competition in our capitalist society has led to an unacceptably wide gap between the extremely "haves", and the utterly "haves not".

Why you have to jeer and sneer when all I am asking for, fundamentally, is a happier, fairer life for everyone is beyond my comprehension.
[quote][p][bold]uptheirons[/bold] wrote: "We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future. All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash !" Sounds to me like you would prefer a classless, moneyless, stateless society! Which, I think you'll find, is the ideal for a communist nation. As for the rest of the drivel you spout, I'll wager you may be a tad jealous! Did you get turned down for a job with them?[/p][/quote]I'm a retired teacher, very comfortable thank-you, and am probably over-qualified for a telesales job. I, personally, would prefer a society that shared wealth and opportunities in an altruistic fashion. Some people will be wealthier than others for all sorts of reasons, but there must be something wrong in a society where massively rich people live happily alongside others in abject poverty. Communism. Isn't that where the general population are kept equally poor, with reduced rights, so that a dominant minority ruling class can keep things under their express control ? Like China, or the old Soviet regimes ? Does it really sound like I am advocating that ? Unfortunately, you are a brainwashed turkey that has been encouraged to look upon Christmas as having its downside, but has much to recommend it ! I have lived long enough to have known much better, fairer times, where unemployment was low, and people were generally happier. Fierce competition in our capitalist society has led to an unacceptably wide gap between the extremely "haves", and the utterly "haves not". Why you have to jeer and sneer when all I am asking for, fundamentally, is a happier, fairer life for everyone is beyond my comprehension. Jayne388
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12:08pm Fri 5 Jul 13

Jayne388 says...

Jesus_02 wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
Jesus_02 wrote:
Jayne388 wrote: Once again the low-life, scumbag schoolboys are back with their usual brand of lies, bullsh*t, and fake ID's. At least Billy The Kid was interesting and entertaining. You, on the other hand, are shallow, empty, with nothing of any value to say !
"We need careers for people, not odd LOL - (that means you made me laugh BTW (that means "by the way" BTW)) Sorry to dissapoint you Jayne388 but it isnt the real Billy The Kid "We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future" From a teacher of 30years "those who can't" Jayne "those who cant"
Try to focus on the subject and not on trying to outwit me. With the latter, you have no chance. Wept much lately ? By the way, who told you I was a teacher ? Where did you get the 30 years from ? You clearly have some information from earlier posts, so under what name did you post then ? You have proved me right in that you are using this current nickname to take the pi$$. Why did you bother ? You have nothing intelligent or witty to say, have you ?
Jayne388 I think you may be a Troll. (you may need to look that up, as today it means more than something hairy that lives under a bridge)

If you are genuinely intending to have a discussion, try not to swear, and be aware that you may come across like someone with a superior they are lesser than you. Perhaps its because you are where used to dealing with children (you revealed this on a previous thread where you also attacked me for my name).

I suggest you change you "nickname", take a deep breath and start again.

This country may never produce another Shakespeare, Beatles, Francis Bacon or even "good ole "Ken Russell. But the world still turns. We don’t have Brunel now (an extraordinary man) but we do have Sir Tim Berners-Lee to bask in the reflective glory of.

There is also scholarly debate as to the singular ownership of the work of Shakespeare. He may have been an early collaborator. Imagine that... people getting together and creating a new language, changing grammar, and using metaphors to the point where the meaning of words actually change, so much so that now YOU don’t really understand them (almost poetic really isn’t it?).

I am sure that you will disagree, believing that, instead of creating something, modern culture is destroying something precious. I am as sure, as I am sure, that the sun will rise tomorrow, and that day will be destroyed by the night. However as I learned at Uni in the 90’s (a clue to my age) as Jung said “the creative mind plays with the objects it loves”. This is time passing Jayne.

You may not like the idea of people doing communications jobs, but they need to be done in the same way that Navys had to dig the canals, waterways and railways of our country. Are they forgotten heroes, who's like we will never see again? Not in their time. In their time they where just people that dug holes by day and lived in the evenings, people that, people like you sneered at, because there work was no worthwhile.
Well, well, well ! I am completely surprised.

I sincerely respect your points of view, your knowledge, and your obvious scholarship, and thank you for taking the trouble to demonstrate it here.

But I do think you are just arguing for arguments sake, posturing, and simply doing your best to undermine my points of view.

As I have said before, I would like to see better-quality ( and much more varied ) opportunities for people. That is the root of what I'm on about.

My attitude, rudeness, and apparent superiority ? Yes, you are quite right to mention it. But when you are hounded on a daily basis, as I am, by malicious, vindictive posters like andysaints and jane388!, it does tend to sharpen my zeal somewhat !

You'll find, Jesus02, that I never start the "playground" insults and namecalling. It is always in reaction to an attack by another. And I absolutely LOVE retaliation ! Call it childish, call it what you will, but there is nothing like getting your own back ! Andysaints tries so hard to abuse me at every opportunity, but the poor thing is rather "limited", and I do enjoy putting him down !

Now. One last thing. Someone of your intelligence was completely aware of the "interest" that calling yourself "Jesus" would arouse ! Admit it ! Stop being so coy !

I look forward to your future posts, and promise to refrain from attacking you in the light of "new evidence" ! Lol !
[quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: Once again the low-life, scumbag schoolboys are back with their usual brand of lies, bullsh*t, and fake ID's. At least Billy The Kid was interesting and entertaining. You, on the other hand, are shallow, empty, with nothing of any value to say ![/p][/quote]"We need careers for people, not odd LOL - (that means you made me laugh BTW (that means "by the way" BTW)) Sorry to dissapoint you Jayne388 but it isnt the real Billy The Kid "We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future" From a teacher of 30years "those who can't" Jayne "those who cant"[/p][/quote]Try to focus on the subject and not on trying to outwit me. With the latter, you have no chance. Wept much lately ? By the way, who told you I was a teacher ? Where did you get the 30 years from ? You clearly have some information from earlier posts, so under what name did you post then ? You have proved me right in that you are using this current nickname to take the pi$$. Why did you bother ? You have nothing intelligent or witty to say, have you ?[/p][/quote]Jayne388 I think you may be a Troll. (you may need to look that up, as today it means more than something hairy that lives under a bridge) If you are genuinely intending to have a discussion, try not to swear, and be aware that you may come across like someone with a superior they are lesser than you. Perhaps its because you are where used to dealing with children (you revealed this on a previous thread where you also attacked me for my name). I suggest you change you "nickname", take a deep breath and start again. This country may never produce another Shakespeare, Beatles, Francis Bacon or even "good ole "Ken Russell. But the world still turns. We don’t have Brunel now (an extraordinary man) but we do have Sir Tim Berners-Lee to bask in the reflective glory of. There is also scholarly debate as to the singular ownership of the work of Shakespeare. He may have been an early collaborator. Imagine that... people getting together and creating a new language, changing grammar, and using metaphors to the point where the meaning of words actually change, so much so that now YOU don’t really understand them (almost poetic really isn’t it?). I am sure that you will disagree, believing that, instead of creating something, modern culture is destroying something precious. I am as sure, as I am sure, that the sun will rise tomorrow, and that day will be destroyed by the night. However as I learned at Uni in the 90’s (a clue to my age) as Jung said “the creative mind plays with the objects it loves”. This is time passing Jayne. You may not like the idea of people doing communications jobs, but they need to be done in the same way that Navys had to dig the canals, waterways and railways of our country. Are they forgotten heroes, who's like we will never see again? Not in their time. In their time they where just people that dug holes by day and lived in the evenings, people that, people like you sneered at, because there work was no worthwhile.[/p][/quote]Well, well, well ! I am completely surprised. I sincerely respect your points of view, your knowledge, and your obvious scholarship, and thank you for taking the trouble to demonstrate it here. But I do think you are just arguing for arguments sake, posturing, and simply doing your best to undermine my points of view. As I have said before, I would like to see better-quality ( and much more varied ) opportunities for people. That is the root of what I'm on about. My attitude, rudeness, and apparent superiority ? Yes, you are quite right to mention it. But when you are hounded on a daily basis, as I am, by malicious, vindictive posters like andysaints and jane388!, it does tend to sharpen my zeal somewhat ! You'll find, Jesus02, that I never start the "playground" insults and namecalling. It is always in reaction to an attack by another. And I absolutely LOVE retaliation ! Call it childish, call it what you will, but there is nothing like getting your own back ! Andysaints tries so hard to abuse me at every opportunity, but the poor thing is rather "limited", and I do enjoy putting him down ! Now. One last thing. Someone of your intelligence was completely aware of the "interest" that calling yourself "Jesus" would arouse ! Admit it ! Stop being so coy ! I look forward to your future posts, and promise to refrain from attacking you in the light of "new evidence" ! Lol ! Jayne388
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12:24pm Fri 5 Jul 13

Jayne388 says...

S!monOn wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
S!monOn wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
S!monOn wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
Vote 4 Pedro wrote:
Jayne388 says...
1:25pm Thu 4 Jul 13

St.Winch70 wrote:

Jayne388 wrote:
Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ?

Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense.

We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future.

All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash !

A fine display of ignorance - well done.

Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder !

I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it !

Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !”


Possibly you might be right, but from a purely buisness standpoint why would and company in their right mind manufacturer products in Britain whereas they can manufacture in China for a fraction of the price?

I believe I can recall reading that if Apple, for example, were to insource all their manufacturing back to America, the current version of the iPad would in turn increase in price from $600 to about $10,000.
From $600 to $10,000........do you really believe that ? Somewhere an extra 0 has been added, I think !

Business interests cannot be allowed to destroy the integrity of a country. Eventually the ordinary people will rebel against the tyranny of pure financial interest - they always have in the past !

Without manufacturing, you deprive the working classes of a huge range of skilled occupations that give them an interest in life, and something worth doing. Condemning the workforce to a life of sales, service, or clerical work is unreasonable. That sort of work is fine if you like it, but where is the choice ? Where are the alternatives ?

We do not have to accept the life that is thrown at us, nor the bullsh*t to justify it.
You really need to stop living in the past and face the future.
Tell that to the kids of the future who have to do these tedious, menial jobs. I have a shrewd suspicion of what they will say !
Why? They wouldn't be able to compare it to the past because they weren't there.
Yeah lets go back to the days of the coal mines and kids working at the age of 4 in workhouses! Get real and get with the times you stupid woman.
If I had said what I have said in class, and you had put your hand up and made that comment, everyone would have pointed at you and laughed for being such a dozy dipstick !

Haven't got a clue, have you ?
No I don't think YOU have a clue. I am really starting to believe that you actually have mental problems cos some of the sh*te you spout out on here is quite unbelievable.
Onj top of that you are truly the most boring individual to grace this forum since billy the kid - ooops how silly of me - you are billy the kid ;-) ;-)
Andysaints, I think you are tedious, repetitive little c**t, and I think it's time you f**ked off, don't you ?

You persistently attack and insult me with absolutely no explanation or reasoning. Your purpose is pure malice. You are a bullying, vindictive animal. To quote John Cooper Clarke :

"What kind of creature bore you ?
Was it some kind of bat ?
They can't find a good word for you,
But I can : tw@t."
Any little credibility you have has just gone down the drain.

When you climb into bed with the rest of the foul mouthed lot you are just as bad as them and deserve to rot in the gutter.

Take your silly arguments and sod off.

Tw@t? Take a good long look in the mirror.
Andysaints has plagued me for months now, just as he did BillyThe Kid last year. He, and his type, are the very reason we launched BillyThe Kid. He has maintained a sustained and relentless attack on me which has been, at times, very personal and most offensive. You obviously have not seen it. I can't help that.

Look back up this thread, and you will see that his first appearance here and opening comment is an immediate attack on me. I quote :

" That's got absolutely nothing to do with the story whatsoever jayne338!
So take your negativity and shove it where the sun don't shine - please."
"Yeah lets go back to the days of the coal mines and kids working at the age of 4 in workhouses! Get real and get with the times you stupid woman."

He always casts the first stone, and I am always willing to lob a huge boulder back.

You've got it all wrong, Simon, but who cares ? Certainly not you as you are prepared to judge an anonymous poster without being in possession of the facts. I will swear and curse at andysaints everytime he insults me, with or without your permission !
[quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vote 4 Pedro[/bold] wrote: [quote]Jayne388 says... 1:25pm Thu 4 Jul 13 [quote]St.Winch70 wrote: [quote]Jayne388 wrote: Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ? Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense. We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future. All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash ![/quote] A fine display of ignorance - well done.[/quote] Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder ! I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it ! Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !” [/quote] Possibly you might be right, but from a purely buisness standpoint why would and company in their right mind manufacturer products in Britain whereas they can manufacture in China for a fraction of the price? I believe I can recall reading that if Apple, for example, were to insource all their manufacturing back to America, the current version of the iPad would in turn increase in price from $600 to about $10,000.[/p][/quote]From $600 to $10,000........do you really believe that ? Somewhere an extra 0 has been added, I think ! Business interests cannot be allowed to destroy the integrity of a country. Eventually the ordinary people will rebel against the tyranny of pure financial interest - they always have in the past ! Without manufacturing, you deprive the working classes of a huge range of skilled occupations that give them an interest in life, and something worth doing. Condemning the workforce to a life of sales, service, or clerical work is unreasonable. That sort of work is fine if you like it, but where is the choice ? Where are the alternatives ? We do not have to accept the life that is thrown at us, nor the bullsh*t to justify it.[/p][/quote]You really need to stop living in the past and face the future.[/p][/quote]Tell that to the kids of the future who have to do these tedious, menial jobs. I have a shrewd suspicion of what they will say ![/p][/quote]Why? They wouldn't be able to compare it to the past because they weren't there.[/p][/quote]Yeah lets go back to the days of the coal mines and kids working at the age of 4 in workhouses! Get real and get with the times you stupid woman.[/p][/quote]If I had said what I have said in class, and you had put your hand up and made that comment, everyone would have pointed at you and laughed for being such a dozy dipstick ! Haven't got a clue, have you ?[/p][/quote]No I don't think YOU have a clue. I am really starting to believe that you actually have mental problems cos some of the sh*te you spout out on here is quite unbelievable. Onj top of that you are truly the most boring individual to grace this forum since billy the kid - ooops how silly of me - you are billy the kid ;-) ;-)[/p][/quote]Andysaints, I think you are tedious, repetitive little c**t, and I think it's time you f**ked off, don't you ? You persistently attack and insult me with absolutely no explanation or reasoning. Your purpose is pure malice. You are a bullying, vindictive animal. To quote John Cooper Clarke : "What kind of creature bore you ? Was it some kind of bat ? They can't find a good word for you, But I can : tw@t."[/p][/quote]Any little credibility you have has just gone down the drain. When you climb into bed with the rest of the foul mouthed lot you are just as bad as them and deserve to rot in the gutter. Take your silly arguments and sod off. Tw@t? Take a good long look in the mirror.[/p][/quote]Andysaints has plagued me for months now, just as he did BillyThe Kid last year. He, and his type, are the very reason we launched BillyThe Kid. He has maintained a sustained and relentless attack on me which has been, at times, very personal and most offensive. You obviously have not seen it. I can't help that. Look back up this thread, and you will see that his first appearance here and opening comment is an immediate attack on me. I quote : " That's got absolutely nothing to do with the story whatsoever jayne338! So take your negativity and shove it where the sun don't shine - please." "Yeah lets go back to the days of the coal mines and kids working at the age of 4 in workhouses! Get real and get with the times you stupid woman." He always casts the first stone, and I am always willing to lob a huge boulder back. You've got it all wrong, Simon, but who cares ? Certainly not you as you are prepared to judge an anonymous poster without being in possession of the facts. I will swear and curse at andysaints everytime he insults me, with or without your permission ! Jayne388
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12:47pm Fri 5 Jul 13

froots says...

Come on, Jayne, you can simply ignore the insults and rise above them. I don't know whether it was you or I who first decided to stop insulting the other, and it doesn't really matter. Fact is, one of us did, the other seemingly followed suit, and we now quite happily discuss things, and can disagree without it resorting to insult. Refreshing, no?

It really doesn't matter who "started it", that's for the playground. You know that.

Just my 2p in the quest for a less negative Echo forum.
Come on, Jayne, you can simply ignore the insults and rise above them. I don't know whether it was you or I who first decided to stop insulting the other, and it doesn't really matter. Fact is, one of us did, the other seemingly followed suit, and we now quite happily discuss things, and can disagree without it resorting to insult. Refreshing, no? It really doesn't matter who "started it", that's for the playground. You know that. Just my 2p in the quest for a less negative Echo forum. froots
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2:46pm Fri 5 Jul 13

Jayne388 says...

Yes, yes, froots, I know all that.

But, you see, I began my teaching career in the "enlightened" 70's when comprehensives came in, along with mixed ability teaching. We saw the cane go, and a more understanding and "inclusive" approach to the disruptive yobbo. That tolerance, that insistence on "inclusion" where possible, led to a drop in teaching standards as good teachers left the profession in disgust, and endless lessons being disrupted by poor behaviour. ( But don't take know-it-all Jayney's view ! Read the books. Watch the documentaries. More poignantly, check the publication dates of the huge number of books on "Managing disruptive pupils/classes". They are nearly all post 1975 ! ).

Froots, I and my colleagues had a gutful of being "nice and understanding" towards the yobs and slobs who would not even try to co-operate. And froots, believe it or not, I actually got on well with most of my classes, and some of the yobs used to come to me for help. But not all. It only took one or two to make life miserable several times a week.

I see people like andysaints, kingnotail, jane388!, and so on as being just like those uncaring, disruptive yobbos from back then. Their sole purpose is to upset and offend selected individuals. So I do now what I couldn't do then : retaliate !

Long ago I learned that ignoring problems, turning the other cheek, etc., achieved nothing. It is that approach that has brought about the British phenomenon of "punishing the victim". So frequently you hear of victims of crime, usually assault, who are chastised more than the perpetrator for standing up for themselves ! "Reasonable force" ! That's what you are allowed to use to defend yourself against someone with a hammer ! It's outrageous, froots.

And instead of standing up for me or anyone else who gets attacked, the cowardly majority here just keep quiet, glad that it is not them under fire, thus giving the disruptive element a free reign. Wimps !

What happens time and time again is that someone abuses me without provocation, I retaliate, then they and a few of their gang stir things up, and people try to blame ME for hi-jacking the forum ! People know that is what happens yet they say nothing.

As you know, that was why we set up Billy The Kid last year : to get the trolls ! The reason he failed as a project is that nobody stood by him ! Newsquest found it easier to ban Billy than to deal with the real troublemakers, who are still causing bother here to this day !
Yes, yes, froots, I know all that. But, you see, I began my teaching career in the "enlightened" 70's when comprehensives came in, along with mixed ability teaching. We saw the cane go, and a more understanding and "inclusive" approach to the disruptive yobbo. That tolerance, that insistence on "inclusion" where possible, led to a drop in teaching standards as good teachers left the profession in disgust, and endless lessons being disrupted by poor behaviour. ( But don't take know-it-all Jayney's view ! Read the books. Watch the documentaries. More poignantly, check the publication dates of the huge number of books on "Managing disruptive pupils/classes". They are nearly all post 1975 ! ). Froots, I and my colleagues had a gutful of being "nice and understanding" towards the yobs and slobs who would not even try to co-operate. And froots, believe it or not, I actually got on well with most of my classes, and some of the yobs used to come to me for help. But not all. It only took one or two to make life miserable several times a week. I see people like andysaints, kingnotail, jane388!, and so on as being just like those uncaring, disruptive yobbos from back then. Their sole purpose is to upset and offend selected individuals. So I do now what I couldn't do then : retaliate ! Long ago I learned that ignoring problems, turning the other cheek, etc., achieved nothing. It is that approach that has brought about the British phenomenon of "punishing the victim". So frequently you hear of victims of crime, usually assault, who are chastised more than the perpetrator for standing up for themselves ! "Reasonable force" ! That's what you are allowed to use to defend yourself against someone with a hammer ! It's outrageous, froots. And instead of standing up for me or anyone else who gets attacked, the cowardly majority here just keep quiet, glad that it is not them under fire, thus giving the disruptive element a free reign. Wimps ! What happens time and time again is that someone abuses me without provocation, I retaliate, then they and a few of their gang stir things up, and people try to blame ME for hi-jacking the forum ! People know that is what happens yet they say nothing. As you know, that was why we set up Billy The Kid last year : to get the trolls ! The reason he failed as a project is that nobody stood by him ! Newsquest found it easier to ban Billy than to deal with the real troublemakers, who are still causing bother here to this day ! Jayne388
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3:47pm Fri 5 Jul 13

Jesus_02 says...

Jayne388 wrote:
Jesus_02 wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
Jesus_02 wrote:
Jayne388 wrote: Once again the low-life, scumbag schoolboys are back with their usual brand of lies, bullsh*t, and fake ID's. At least Billy The Kid was interesting and entertaining. You, on the other hand, are shallow, empty, with nothing of any value to say !
"We need careers for people, not odd LOL - (that means you made me laugh BTW (that means "by the way" BTW)) Sorry to dissapoint you Jayne388 but it isnt the real Billy The Kid "We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future" From a teacher of 30years "those who can't" Jayne "those who cant"
Try to focus on the subject and not on trying to outwit me. With the latter, you have no chance. Wept much lately ? By the way, who told you I was a teacher ? Where did you get the 30 years from ? You clearly have some information from earlier posts, so under what name did you post then ? You have proved me right in that you are using this current nickname to take the pi$$. Why did you bother ? You have nothing intelligent or witty to say, have you ?
Jayne388 I think you may be a Troll. (you may need to look that up, as today it means more than something hairy that lives under a bridge) If you are genuinely intending to have a discussion, try not to swear, and be aware that you may come across like someone with a superior they are lesser than you. Perhaps its because you are where used to dealing with children (you revealed this on a previous thread where you also attacked me for my name). I suggest you change you "nickname", take a deep breath and start again. This country may never produce another Shakespeare, Beatles, Francis Bacon or even "good ole "Ken Russell. But the world still turns. We don’t have Brunel now (an extraordinary man) but we do have Sir Tim Berners-Lee to bask in the reflective glory of. There is also scholarly debate as to the singular ownership of the work of Shakespeare. He may have been an early collaborator. Imagine that... people getting together and creating a new language, changing grammar, and using metaphors to the point where the meaning of words actually change, so much so that now YOU don’t really understand them (almost poetic really isn’t it?). I am sure that you will disagree, believing that, instead of creating something, modern culture is destroying something precious. I am as sure, as I am sure, that the sun will rise tomorrow, and that day will be destroyed by the night. However as I learned at Uni in the 90’s (a clue to my age) as Jung said “the creative mind plays with the objects it loves”. This is time passing Jayne. You may not like the idea of people doing communications jobs, but they need to be done in the same way that Navys had to dig the canals, waterways and railways of our country. Are they forgotten heroes, who's like we will never see again? Not in their time. In their time they where just people that dug holes by day and lived in the evenings, people that, people like you sneered at, because there work was no worthwhile.
Well, well, well ! I am completely surprised. I sincerely respect your points of view, your knowledge, and your obvious scholarship, and thank you for taking the trouble to demonstrate it here. But I do think you are just arguing for arguments sake, posturing, and simply doing your best to undermine my points of view. As I have said before, I would like to see better-quality ( and much more varied ) opportunities for people. That is the root of what I'm on about. My attitude, rudeness, and apparent superiority ? Yes, you are quite right to mention it. But when you are hounded on a daily basis, as I am, by malicious, vindictive posters like andysaints and jane388!, it does tend to sharpen my zeal somewhat ! You'll find, Jesus02, that I never start the "playground" insults and namecalling. It is always in reaction to an attack by another. And I absolutely LOVE retaliation ! Call it childish, call it what you will, but there is nothing like getting your own back ! Andysaints tries so hard to abuse me at every opportunity, but the poor thing is rather "limited", and I do enjoy putting him down ! Now. One last thing. Someone of your intelligence was completely aware of the "interest" that calling yourself "Jesus" would arouse ! Admit it ! Stop being so coy ! I look forward to your future posts, and promise to refrain from attacking you in the light of "new evidence" ! Lol !
Truce I think..especially as its Friday ;)

If you enjoy it... more power to you.
If you don't....give yourself a break

Have a good weekend
[quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: Once again the low-life, scumbag schoolboys are back with their usual brand of lies, bullsh*t, and fake ID's. At least Billy The Kid was interesting and entertaining. You, on the other hand, are shallow, empty, with nothing of any value to say ![/p][/quote]"We need careers for people, not odd LOL - (that means you made me laugh BTW (that means "by the way" BTW)) Sorry to dissapoint you Jayne388 but it isnt the real Billy The Kid "We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future" From a teacher of 30years "those who can't" Jayne "those who cant"[/p][/quote]Try to focus on the subject and not on trying to outwit me. With the latter, you have no chance. Wept much lately ? By the way, who told you I was a teacher ? Where did you get the 30 years from ? You clearly have some information from earlier posts, so under what name did you post then ? You have proved me right in that you are using this current nickname to take the pi$$. Why did you bother ? You have nothing intelligent or witty to say, have you ?[/p][/quote]Jayne388 I think you may be a Troll. (you may need to look that up, as today it means more than something hairy that lives under a bridge) If you are genuinely intending to have a discussion, try not to swear, and be aware that you may come across like someone with a superior they are lesser than you. Perhaps its because you are where used to dealing with children (you revealed this on a previous thread where you also attacked me for my name). I suggest you change you "nickname", take a deep breath and start again. This country may never produce another Shakespeare, Beatles, Francis Bacon or even "good ole "Ken Russell. But the world still turns. We don’t have Brunel now (an extraordinary man) but we do have Sir Tim Berners-Lee to bask in the reflective glory of. There is also scholarly debate as to the singular ownership of the work of Shakespeare. He may have been an early collaborator. Imagine that... people getting together and creating a new language, changing grammar, and using metaphors to the point where the meaning of words actually change, so much so that now YOU don’t really understand them (almost poetic really isn’t it?). I am sure that you will disagree, believing that, instead of creating something, modern culture is destroying something precious. I am as sure, as I am sure, that the sun will rise tomorrow, and that day will be destroyed by the night. However as I learned at Uni in the 90’s (a clue to my age) as Jung said “the creative mind plays with the objects it loves”. This is time passing Jayne. You may not like the idea of people doing communications jobs, but they need to be done in the same way that Navys had to dig the canals, waterways and railways of our country. Are they forgotten heroes, who's like we will never see again? Not in their time. In their time they where just people that dug holes by day and lived in the evenings, people that, people like you sneered at, because there work was no worthwhile.[/p][/quote]Well, well, well ! I am completely surprised. I sincerely respect your points of view, your knowledge, and your obvious scholarship, and thank you for taking the trouble to demonstrate it here. But I do think you are just arguing for arguments sake, posturing, and simply doing your best to undermine my points of view. As I have said before, I would like to see better-quality ( and much more varied ) opportunities for people. That is the root of what I'm on about. My attitude, rudeness, and apparent superiority ? Yes, you are quite right to mention it. But when you are hounded on a daily basis, as I am, by malicious, vindictive posters like andysaints and jane388!, it does tend to sharpen my zeal somewhat ! You'll find, Jesus02, that I never start the "playground" insults and namecalling. It is always in reaction to an attack by another. And I absolutely LOVE retaliation ! Call it childish, call it what you will, but there is nothing like getting your own back ! Andysaints tries so hard to abuse me at every opportunity, but the poor thing is rather "limited", and I do enjoy putting him down ! Now. One last thing. Someone of your intelligence was completely aware of the "interest" that calling yourself "Jesus" would arouse ! Admit it ! Stop being so coy ! I look forward to your future posts, and promise to refrain from attacking you in the light of "new evidence" ! Lol ![/p][/quote]Truce I think..especially as its Friday ;) If you enjoy it... more power to you. If you don't....give yourself a break Have a good weekend Jesus_02
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4:22pm Fri 5 Jul 13

Jayne388 says...

Jesus_02 wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
Jesus_02 wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
Jesus_02 wrote:
Jayne388 wrote: Once again the low-life, scumbag schoolboys are back with their usual brand of lies, bullsh*t, and fake ID's. At least Billy The Kid was interesting and entertaining. You, on the other hand, are shallow, empty, with nothing of any value to say !
"We need careers for people, not odd LOL - (that means you made me laugh BTW (that means "by the way" BTW)) Sorry to dissapoint you Jayne388 but it isnt the real Billy The Kid "We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future" From a teacher of 30years "those who can't" Jayne "those who cant"
Try to focus on the subject and not on trying to outwit me. With the latter, you have no chance. Wept much lately ? By the way, who told you I was a teacher ? Where did you get the 30 years from ? You clearly have some information from earlier posts, so under what name did you post then ? You have proved me right in that you are using this current nickname to take the pi$$. Why did you bother ? You have nothing intelligent or witty to say, have you ?
Jayne388 I think you may be a Troll. (you may need to look that up, as today it means more than something hairy that lives under a bridge) If you are genuinely intending to have a discussion, try not to swear, and be aware that you may come across like someone with a superior they are lesser than you. Perhaps its because you are where used to dealing with children (you revealed this on a previous thread where you also attacked me for my name). I suggest you change you "nickname", take a deep breath and start again. This country may never produce another Shakespeare, Beatles, Francis Bacon or even "good ole "Ken Russell. But the world still turns. We don’t have Brunel now (an extraordinary man) but we do have Sir Tim Berners-Lee to bask in the reflective glory of. There is also scholarly debate as to the singular ownership of the work of Shakespeare. He may have been an early collaborator. Imagine that... people getting together and creating a new language, changing grammar, and using metaphors to the point where the meaning of words actually change, so much so that now YOU don’t really understand them (almost poetic really isn’t it?). I am sure that you will disagree, believing that, instead of creating something, modern culture is destroying something precious. I am as sure, as I am sure, that the sun will rise tomorrow, and that day will be destroyed by the night. However as I learned at Uni in the 90’s (a clue to my age) as Jung said “the creative mind plays with the objects it loves”. This is time passing Jayne. You may not like the idea of people doing communications jobs, but they need to be done in the same way that Navys had to dig the canals, waterways and railways of our country. Are they forgotten heroes, who's like we will never see again? Not in their time. In their time they where just people that dug holes by day and lived in the evenings, people that, people like you sneered at, because there work was no worthwhile.
Well, well, well ! I am completely surprised. I sincerely respect your points of view, your knowledge, and your obvious scholarship, and thank you for taking the trouble to demonstrate it here. But I do think you are just arguing for arguments sake, posturing, and simply doing your best to undermine my points of view. As I have said before, I would like to see better-quality ( and much more varied ) opportunities for people. That is the root of what I'm on about. My attitude, rudeness, and apparent superiority ? Yes, you are quite right to mention it. But when you are hounded on a daily basis, as I am, by malicious, vindictive posters like andysaints and jane388!, it does tend to sharpen my zeal somewhat ! You'll find, Jesus02, that I never start the "playground" insults and namecalling. It is always in reaction to an attack by another. And I absolutely LOVE retaliation ! Call it childish, call it what you will, but there is nothing like getting your own back ! Andysaints tries so hard to abuse me at every opportunity, but the poor thing is rather "limited", and I do enjoy putting him down ! Now. One last thing. Someone of your intelligence was completely aware of the "interest" that calling yourself "Jesus" would arouse ! Admit it ! Stop being so coy ! I look forward to your future posts, and promise to refrain from attacking you in the light of "new evidence" ! Lol !
Truce I think..especially as its Friday ;)

If you enjoy it... more power to you.
If you don't....give yourself a break

Have a good weekend
Thank-you, Jesus.

Can't say have a Good Friday, can I ? It would make Sunday a bad day for you ! Lol !

Jokes aside, have an excellent weekend.
[quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: Once again the low-life, scumbag schoolboys are back with their usual brand of lies, bullsh*t, and fake ID's. At least Billy The Kid was interesting and entertaining. You, on the other hand, are shallow, empty, with nothing of any value to say ![/p][/quote]"We need careers for people, not odd LOL - (that means you made me laugh BTW (that means "by the way" BTW)) Sorry to dissapoint you Jayne388 but it isnt the real Billy The Kid "We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future" From a teacher of 30years "those who can't" Jayne "those who cant"[/p][/quote]Try to focus on the subject and not on trying to outwit me. With the latter, you have no chance. Wept much lately ? By the way, who told you I was a teacher ? Where did you get the 30 years from ? You clearly have some information from earlier posts, so under what name did you post then ? You have proved me right in that you are using this current nickname to take the pi$$. Why did you bother ? You have nothing intelligent or witty to say, have you ?[/p][/quote]Jayne388 I think you may be a Troll. (you may need to look that up, as today it means more than something hairy that lives under a bridge) If you are genuinely intending to have a discussion, try not to swear, and be aware that you may come across like someone with a superior they are lesser than you. Perhaps its because you are where used to dealing with children (you revealed this on a previous thread where you also attacked me for my name). I suggest you change you "nickname", take a deep breath and start again. This country may never produce another Shakespeare, Beatles, Francis Bacon or even "good ole "Ken Russell. But the world still turns. We don’t have Brunel now (an extraordinary man) but we do have Sir Tim Berners-Lee to bask in the reflective glory of. There is also scholarly debate as to the singular ownership of the work of Shakespeare. He may have been an early collaborator. Imagine that... people getting together and creating a new language, changing grammar, and using metaphors to the point where the meaning of words actually change, so much so that now YOU don’t really understand them (almost poetic really isn’t it?). I am sure that you will disagree, believing that, instead of creating something, modern culture is destroying something precious. I am as sure, as I am sure, that the sun will rise tomorrow, and that day will be destroyed by the night. However as I learned at Uni in the 90’s (a clue to my age) as Jung said “the creative mind plays with the objects it loves”. This is time passing Jayne. You may not like the idea of people doing communications jobs, but they need to be done in the same way that Navys had to dig the canals, waterways and railways of our country. Are they forgotten heroes, who's like we will never see again? Not in their time. In their time they where just people that dug holes by day and lived in the evenings, people that, people like you sneered at, because there work was no worthwhile.[/p][/quote]Well, well, well ! I am completely surprised. I sincerely respect your points of view, your knowledge, and your obvious scholarship, and thank you for taking the trouble to demonstrate it here. But I do think you are just arguing for arguments sake, posturing, and simply doing your best to undermine my points of view. As I have said before, I would like to see better-quality ( and much more varied ) opportunities for people. That is the root of what I'm on about. My attitude, rudeness, and apparent superiority ? Yes, you are quite right to mention it. But when you are hounded on a daily basis, as I am, by malicious, vindictive posters like andysaints and jane388!, it does tend to sharpen my zeal somewhat ! You'll find, Jesus02, that I never start the "playground" insults and namecalling. It is always in reaction to an attack by another. And I absolutely LOVE retaliation ! Call it childish, call it what you will, but there is nothing like getting your own back ! Andysaints tries so hard to abuse me at every opportunity, but the poor thing is rather "limited", and I do enjoy putting him down ! Now. One last thing. Someone of your intelligence was completely aware of the "interest" that calling yourself "Jesus" would arouse ! Admit it ! Stop being so coy ! I look forward to your future posts, and promise to refrain from attacking you in the light of "new evidence" ! Lol ![/p][/quote]Truce I think..especially as its Friday ;) If you enjoy it... more power to you. If you don't....give yourself a break Have a good weekend[/p][/quote]Thank-you, Jesus. Can't say have a Good Friday, can I ? It would make Sunday a bad day for you ! Lol ! Jokes aside, have an excellent weekend. Jayne388
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4:45pm Fri 5 Jul 13

froots says...

Well, Jayne, maybe you need to realise that you're not in a classroom now. In a classroom, you as a teacher had an obligation to maintain order, and so forth. The pupils are there for a specific purpose, and it's the teacher's duty to ensure they get that - their education. Disruptive pupils get in the way of that, and of course, the teacher is obliged to deal with it.

That isn't true of the rest of the world, and it certainly isn't true of a message board. People are here for all manner of reasons, and you're under no orders to maintain discipline. Despite your intentions, you're equally as disruptive as those you oppose. And I have been, in the past, I am slightly embarrassed to admit.

There isn't a teacher-pupil hierarchy here, it's a completely flat social structure. Not only is it not necessary for you to try and keep the rowdy in order, it's actually destructive behaviour. Please, just ignore the disruptive elements. People don't want to read endless tirades that are about contributors, not the stories. This tirade included, I'm sure. I sometimes wish there was an alternative forum, or a private message facility, so we didn't have to bore the masses with meta posts. But there isn't.

Loved your "Good Friday" joke, btw. Sincerely. Have a good weekend yourself.
Well, Jayne, maybe you need to realise that you're not in a classroom now. In a classroom, you as a teacher had an obligation to maintain order, and so forth. The pupils are there for a specific purpose, and it's the teacher's duty to ensure they get that - their education. Disruptive pupils get in the way of that, and of course, the teacher is obliged to deal with it. That isn't true of the rest of the world, and it certainly isn't true of a message board. People are here for all manner of reasons, and you're under no orders to maintain discipline. Despite your intentions, you're equally as disruptive as those you oppose. And I have been, in the past, I am slightly embarrassed to admit. There isn't a teacher-pupil hierarchy here, it's a completely flat social structure. Not only is it not necessary for you to try and keep the rowdy in order, it's actually destructive behaviour. Please, just ignore the disruptive elements. People don't want to read endless tirades that are about contributors, not the stories. This tirade included, I'm sure. I sometimes wish there was an alternative forum, or a private message facility, so we didn't have to bore the masses with meta posts. But there isn't. Loved your "Good Friday" joke, btw. Sincerely. Have a good weekend yourself. froots
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11:07pm Fri 5 Jul 13

Jayne388 says...

froots wrote:
Well, Jayne, maybe you need to realise that you're not in a classroom now. In a classroom, you as a teacher had an obligation to maintain order, and so forth. The pupils are there for a specific purpose, and it's the teacher's duty to ensure they get that - their education. Disruptive pupils get in the way of that, and of course, the teacher is obliged to deal with it.

That isn't true of the rest of the world, and it certainly isn't true of a message board. People are here for all manner of reasons, and you're under no orders to maintain discipline. Despite your intentions, you're equally as disruptive as those you oppose. And I have been, in the past, I am slightly embarrassed to admit.

There isn't a teacher-pupil hierarchy here, it's a completely flat social structure. Not only is it not necessary for you to try and keep the rowdy in order, it's actually destructive behaviour. Please, just ignore the disruptive elements. People don't want to read endless tirades that are about contributors, not the stories. This tirade included, I'm sure. I sometimes wish there was an alternative forum, or a private message facility, so we didn't have to bore the masses with meta posts. But there isn't.

Loved your "Good Friday" joke, btw. Sincerely. Have a good weekend yourself.
Thanks for that, froots.

On reflection, you are right. The old teacher habits are in the blood. I can easily ignore the disruptives - it's that I have chosen not to in the past. But at the end of the day (I hate that cliché !) they're just playing me, I suppose.

Into a new phase, then, for me. Let's call it.....(wait for it !.....) the Good Friday Agreement ! Lol !

Wait a minute...you just said "have a good weekend yourself" as if you were replying to what I said to Jesus....are you Jesus02 as well as Wayne5050 ? Ha ! Ha ! Go right ahead man, that's fine with me, just as long as you are not andysaints, or kingnotail. And please please don't be Downfader ! God no ! Or Graham Simmons ! Ahhhhhhhhhhhh.......
! !
[quote][p][bold]froots[/bold] wrote: Well, Jayne, maybe you need to realise that you're not in a classroom now. In a classroom, you as a teacher had an obligation to maintain order, and so forth. The pupils are there for a specific purpose, and it's the teacher's duty to ensure they get that - their education. Disruptive pupils get in the way of that, and of course, the teacher is obliged to deal with it. That isn't true of the rest of the world, and it certainly isn't true of a message board. People are here for all manner of reasons, and you're under no orders to maintain discipline. Despite your intentions, you're equally as disruptive as those you oppose. And I have been, in the past, I am slightly embarrassed to admit. There isn't a teacher-pupil hierarchy here, it's a completely flat social structure. Not only is it not necessary for you to try and keep the rowdy in order, it's actually destructive behaviour. Please, just ignore the disruptive elements. People don't want to read endless tirades that are about contributors, not the stories. This tirade included, I'm sure. I sometimes wish there was an alternative forum, or a private message facility, so we didn't have to bore the masses with meta posts. But there isn't. Loved your "Good Friday" joke, btw. Sincerely. Have a good weekend yourself.[/p][/quote]Thanks for that, froots. On reflection, you are right. The old teacher habits are in the blood. I can easily ignore the disruptives - it's that I have chosen not to in the past. But at the end of the day (I hate that cliché !) they're just playing me, I suppose. Into a new phase, then, for me. Let's call it.....(wait for it !.....) the Good Friday Agreement ! Lol ! Wait a minute...you just said "have a good weekend yourself" as if you were replying to what I said to Jesus....are you Jesus02 as well as Wayne5050 ? Ha ! Ha ! Go right ahead man, that's fine with me, just as long as you are not andysaints, or kingnotail. And please please don't be Downfader ! God no ! Or Graham Simmons ! Ahhhhhhhhhhhh....... ! ! Jayne388
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1:01am Sat 6 Jul 13

andysaints007 says...

Jayne388 wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
S!monOn wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
S!monOn wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
Vote 4 Pedro wrote:
Jayne388 says...
1:25pm Thu 4 Jul 13

St.Winch70 wrote:

Jayne388 wrote:
Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ?

Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense.

We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future.

All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash !

A fine display of ignorance - well done.

Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder !

I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it !

Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !”


Possibly you might be right, but from a purely buisness standpoint why would and company in their right mind manufacturer products in Britain whereas they can manufacture in China for a fraction of the price?

I believe I can recall reading that if Apple, for example, were to insource all their manufacturing back to America, the current version of the iPad would in turn increase in price from $600 to about $10,000.
From $600 to $10,000........do you really believe that ? Somewhere an extra 0 has been added, I think !

Business interests cannot be allowed to destroy the integrity of a country. Eventually the ordinary people will rebel against the tyranny of pure financial interest - they always have in the past !

Without manufacturing, you deprive the working classes of a huge range of skilled occupations that give them an interest in life, and something worth doing. Condemning the workforce to a life of sales, service, or clerical work is unreasonable. That sort of work is fine if you like it, but where is the choice ? Where are the alternatives ?

We do not have to accept the life that is thrown at us, nor the bullsh*t to justify it.
You really need to stop living in the past and face the future.
Tell that to the kids of the future who have to do these tedious, menial jobs. I have a shrewd suspicion of what they will say !
Why? They wouldn't be able to compare it to the past because they weren't there.
Yeah lets go back to the days of the coal mines and kids working at the age of 4 in workhouses! Get real and get with the times you stupid woman.
If I had said what I have said in class, and you had put your hand up and made that comment, everyone would have pointed at you and laughed for being such a dozy dipstick !

Haven't got a clue, have you ?
No I don't think YOU have a clue. I am really starting to believe that you actually have mental problems cos some of the sh*te you spout out on here is quite unbelievable.
Onj top of that you are truly the most boring individual to grace this forum since billy the kid - ooops how silly of me - you are billy the kid ;-) ;-)
Andysaints, I think you are tedious, repetitive little c**t, and I think it's time you f**ked off, don't you ?

You persistently attack and insult me with absolutely no explanation or reasoning. Your purpose is pure malice. You are a bullying, vindictive animal. To quote John Cooper Clarke :

"What kind of creature bore you ?
Was it some kind of bat ?
They can't find a good word for you,
But I can : tw@t."
Ahhhhhhhhhh nice to see your true colours!!
I think you are best described as an unspeakable, filthy, feculent cuntitudinous fucktard.
But on a lighter note, thanks for all the times I manage to get a good nights sleep because your comments have been so boring and tedious too xx
[quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vote 4 Pedro[/bold] wrote: [quote]Jayne388 says... 1:25pm Thu 4 Jul 13 [quote]St.Winch70 wrote: [quote]Jayne388 wrote: Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ? Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense. We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future. All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash ![/quote] A fine display of ignorance - well done.[/quote] Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder ! I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it ! Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !” [/quote] Possibly you might be right, but from a purely buisness standpoint why would and company in their right mind manufacturer products in Britain whereas they can manufacture in China for a fraction of the price? I believe I can recall reading that if Apple, for example, were to insource all their manufacturing back to America, the current version of the iPad would in turn increase in price from $600 to about $10,000.[/p][/quote]From $600 to $10,000........do you really believe that ? Somewhere an extra 0 has been added, I think ! Business interests cannot be allowed to destroy the integrity of a country. Eventually the ordinary people will rebel against the tyranny of pure financial interest - they always have in the past ! Without manufacturing, you deprive the working classes of a huge range of skilled occupations that give them an interest in life, and something worth doing. Condemning the workforce to a life of sales, service, or clerical work is unreasonable. That sort of work is fine if you like it, but where is the choice ? Where are the alternatives ? We do not have to accept the life that is thrown at us, nor the bullsh*t to justify it.[/p][/quote]You really need to stop living in the past and face the future.[/p][/quote]Tell that to the kids of the future who have to do these tedious, menial jobs. I have a shrewd suspicion of what they will say ![/p][/quote]Why? They wouldn't be able to compare it to the past because they weren't there.[/p][/quote]Yeah lets go back to the days of the coal mines and kids working at the age of 4 in workhouses! Get real and get with the times you stupid woman.[/p][/quote]If I had said what I have said in class, and you had put your hand up and made that comment, everyone would have pointed at you and laughed for being such a dozy dipstick ! Haven't got a clue, have you ?[/p][/quote]No I don't think YOU have a clue. I am really starting to believe that you actually have mental problems cos some of the sh*te you spout out on here is quite unbelievable. Onj top of that you are truly the most boring individual to grace this forum since billy the kid - ooops how silly of me - you are billy the kid ;-) ;-)[/p][/quote]Andysaints, I think you are tedious, repetitive little c**t, and I think it's time you f**ked off, don't you ? You persistently attack and insult me with absolutely no explanation or reasoning. Your purpose is pure malice. You are a bullying, vindictive animal. To quote John Cooper Clarke : "What kind of creature bore you ? Was it some kind of bat ? They can't find a good word for you, But I can : tw@t."[/p][/quote]Ahhhhhhhhhh nice to see your true colours!! I think you are best described as an unspeakable, filthy, feculent cuntitudinous fucktard. But on a lighter note, thanks for all the times I manage to get a good nights sleep because your comments have been so boring and tedious too xx andysaints007
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1:07am Sat 6 Jul 13

andysaints007 says...

Jayne388 wrote:
S!monOn wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
S!monOn wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
S!monOn wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
Vote 4 Pedro wrote:
Jayne388 says...
1:25pm Thu 4 Jul 13

St.Winch70 wrote:

Jayne388 wrote:
Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ?

Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense.

We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future.

All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash !

A fine display of ignorance - well done.

Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder !

I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it !

Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !”


Possibly you might be right, but from a purely buisness standpoint why would and company in their right mind manufacturer products in Britain whereas they can manufacture in China for a fraction of the price?

I believe I can recall reading that if Apple, for example, were to insource all their manufacturing back to America, the current version of the iPad would in turn increase in price from $600 to about $10,000.
From $600 to $10,000........do you really believe that ? Somewhere an extra 0 has been added, I think !

Business interests cannot be allowed to destroy the integrity of a country. Eventually the ordinary people will rebel against the tyranny of pure financial interest - they always have in the past !

Without manufacturing, you deprive the working classes of a huge range of skilled occupations that give them an interest in life, and something worth doing. Condemning the workforce to a life of sales, service, or clerical work is unreasonable. That sort of work is fine if you like it, but where is the choice ? Where are the alternatives ?

We do not have to accept the life that is thrown at us, nor the bullsh*t to justify it.
You really need to stop living in the past and face the future.
Tell that to the kids of the future who have to do these tedious, menial jobs. I have a shrewd suspicion of what they will say !
Why? They wouldn't be able to compare it to the past because they weren't there.
Yeah lets go back to the days of the coal mines and kids working at the age of 4 in workhouses! Get real and get with the times you stupid woman.
If I had said what I have said in class, and you had put your hand up and made that comment, everyone would have pointed at you and laughed for being such a dozy dipstick !

Haven't got a clue, have you ?
No I don't think YOU have a clue. I am really starting to believe that you actually have mental problems cos some of the sh*te you spout out on here is quite unbelievable.
Onj top of that you are truly the most boring individual to grace this forum since billy the kid - ooops how silly of me - you are billy the kid ;-) ;-)
Andysaints, I think you are tedious, repetitive little c**t, and I think it's time you f**ked off, don't you ?

You persistently attack and insult me with absolutely no explanation or reasoning. Your purpose is pure malice. You are a bullying, vindictive animal. To quote John Cooper Clarke :

"What kind of creature bore you ?
Was it some kind of bat ?
They can't find a good word for you,
But I can : tw@t."
Any little credibility you have has just gone down the drain.

When you climb into bed with the rest of the foul mouthed lot you are just as bad as them and deserve to rot in the gutter.

Take your silly arguments and sod off.

Tw@t? Take a good long look in the mirror.
Andysaints has plagued me for months now, just as he did BillyThe Kid last year. He, and his type, are the very reason we launched BillyThe Kid. He has maintained a sustained and relentless attack on me which has been, at times, very personal and most offensive. You obviously have not seen it. I can't help that.

Look back up this thread, and you will see that his first appearance here and opening comment is an immediate attack on me. I quote :

" That's got absolutely nothing to do with the story whatsoever jayne338!
So take your negativity and shove it where the sun don't shine - please."
"Yeah lets go back to the days of the coal mines and kids working at the age of 4 in workhouses! Get real and get with the times you stupid woman."

He always casts the first stone, and I am always willing to lob a huge boulder back.

You've got it all wrong, Simon, but who cares ? Certainly not you as you are prepared to judge an anonymous poster without being in possession of the facts. I will swear and curse at andysaints everytime he insults me, with or without your permission !
'We launched billythekid' !!??
Now that really is the saddest statement I have ever seen on the internet.
[quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vote 4 Pedro[/bold] wrote: [quote]Jayne388 says... 1:25pm Thu 4 Jul 13 [quote]St.Winch70 wrote: [quote]Jayne388 wrote: Telephone advertising ? Telesales ? Isn't that the kind of thing people use the Telephone Preference Service to try and block ? Isn't that the kind of work where you start your pitch and 9 times out of 10 people put the phone down before you've finished ? Don't they usually tell you to "get lost" as well ? Even if the work is not at that end of the scale, it is still only minimum-wage, bog-standard "Gid munning. My name is Tracy. How my yelp you t'day ?" type stuff, not proper, worthwhile jobs in the old-fashioned sense. We need careers for people, not odd jobs ! We need manufacturing, skilled labour, jobs that require learning and experience, jobs with prospects, development, and a future. All this is about is paying ordinary folk, desperate for a job, as little as possible to assist greedy businessmen and their investors to fill their pockets with cash ![/quote] A fine display of ignorance - well done.[/quote] Obviously you are businessman or a shareholder ! I may have some of the details wrong, but the essence of what I have said is absolutely true, and well you know it ! Tell me that the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in service, sales, or clerical ? Where is the manufacturing, and the technical skills ? China ! That's bl**dy where !” [/quote] Possibly you might be right, but from a purely buisness standpoint why would and company in their right mind manufacturer products in Britain whereas they can manufacture in China for a fraction of the price? I believe I can recall reading that if Apple, for example, were to insource all their manufacturing back to America, the current version of the iPad would in turn increase in price from $600 to about $10,000.[/p][/quote]From $600 to $10,000........do you really believe that ? Somewhere an extra 0 has been added, I think ! Business interests cannot be allowed to destroy the integrity of a country. Eventually the ordinary people will rebel against the tyranny of pure financial interest - they always have in the past ! Without manufacturing, you deprive the working classes of a huge range of skilled occupations that give them an interest in life, and something worth doing. Condemning the workforce to a life of sales, service, or clerical work is unreasonable. That sort of work is fine if you like it, but where is the choice ? Where are the alternatives ? We do not have to accept the life that is thrown at us, nor the bullsh*t to justify it.[/p][/quote]You really need to stop living in the past and face the future.[/p][/quote]Tell that to the kids of the future who have to do these tedious, menial jobs. I have a shrewd suspicion of what they will say ![/p][/quote]Why? They wouldn't be able to compare it to the past because they weren't there.[/p][/quote]Yeah lets go back to the days of the coal mines and kids working at the age of 4 in workhouses! Get real and get with the times you stupid woman.[/p][/quote]If I had said what I have said in class, and you had put your hand up and made that comment, everyone would have pointed at you and laughed for being such a dozy dipstick ! Haven't got a clue, have you ?[/p][/quote]No I don't think YOU have a clue. I am really starting to believe that you actually have mental problems cos some of the sh*te you spout out on here is quite unbelievable. Onj top of that you are truly the most boring individual to grace this forum since billy the kid - ooops how silly of me - you are billy the kid ;-) ;-)[/p][/quote]Andysaints, I think you are tedious, repetitive little c**t, and I think it's time you f**ked off, don't you ? You persistently attack and insult me with absolutely no explanation or reasoning. Your purpose is pure malice. You are a bullying, vindictive animal. To quote John Cooper Clarke : "What kind of creature bore you ? Was it some kind of bat ? They can't find a good word for you, But I can : tw@t."[/p][/quote]Any little credibility you have has just gone down the drain. When you climb into bed with the rest of the foul mouthed lot you are just as bad as them and deserve to rot in the gutter. Take your silly arguments and sod off. Tw@t? Take a good long look in the mirror.[/p][/quote]Andysaints has plagued me for months now, just as he did BillyThe Kid last year. He, and his type, are the very reason we launched BillyThe Kid. He has maintained a sustained and relentless attack on me which has been, at times, very personal and most offensive. You obviously have not seen it. I can't help that. Look back up this thread, and you will see that his first appearance here and opening comment is an immediate attack on me. I quote : " That's got absolutely nothing to do with the story whatsoever jayne338! So take your negativity and shove it where the sun don't shine - please." "Yeah lets go back to the days of the coal mines and kids working at the age of 4 in workhouses! Get real and get with the times you stupid woman." He always casts the first stone, and I am always willing to lob a huge boulder back. You've got it all wrong, Simon, but who cares ? Certainly not you as you are prepared to judge an anonymous poster without being in possession of the facts. I will swear and curse at andysaints everytime he insults me, with or without your permission ![/p][/quote]'We launched billythekid' !!?? Now that really is the saddest statement I have ever seen on the internet. andysaints007
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11:09am Sat 6 Jul 13

froots says...

Jayne388 wrote:
froots wrote:
Well, Jayne, maybe you need to realise that you're not in a classroom now. In a classroom, you as a teacher had an obligation to maintain order, and so forth. The pupils are there for a specific purpose, and it's the teacher's duty to ensure they get that - their education. Disruptive pupils get in the way of that, and of course, the teacher is obliged to deal with it.

That isn't true of the rest of the world, and it certainly isn't true of a message board. People are here for all manner of reasons, and you're under no orders to maintain discipline. Despite your intentions, you're equally as disruptive as those you oppose. And I have been, in the past, I am slightly embarrassed to admit.

There isn't a teacher-pupil hierarchy here, it's a completely flat social structure. Not only is it not necessary for you to try and keep the rowdy in order, it's actually destructive behaviour. Please, just ignore the disruptive elements. People don't want to read endless tirades that are about contributors, not the stories. This tirade included, I'm sure. I sometimes wish there was an alternative forum, or a private message facility, so we didn't have to bore the masses with meta posts. But there isn't.

Loved your "Good Friday" joke, btw. Sincerely. Have a good weekend yourself.
Thanks for that, froots.

On reflection, you are right. The old teacher habits are in the blood. I can easily ignore the disruptives - it's that I have chosen not to in the past. But at the end of the day (I hate that cliché !) they're just playing me, I suppose.

Into a new phase, then, for me. Let's call it.....(wait for it !.....) the Good Friday Agreement ! Lol !

Wait a minute...you just said "have a good weekend yourself" as if you were replying to what I said to Jesus....are you Jesus02 as well as Wayne5050 ? Ha ! Ha ! Go right ahead man, that's fine with me, just as long as you are not andysaints, or kingnotail. And please please don't be Downfader ! God no ! Or Graham Simmons ! Ahhhhhhhhhhhh.......

! !
Eh? No, I was echoing what you said to Jesus! Wayne5050 was me, I was going to try and reason with you on the side, then decided not to bother, and just be reasonable as myself. I don't have any other sock puppets.
[quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]froots[/bold] wrote: Well, Jayne, maybe you need to realise that you're not in a classroom now. In a classroom, you as a teacher had an obligation to maintain order, and so forth. The pupils are there for a specific purpose, and it's the teacher's duty to ensure they get that - their education. Disruptive pupils get in the way of that, and of course, the teacher is obliged to deal with it. That isn't true of the rest of the world, and it certainly isn't true of a message board. People are here for all manner of reasons, and you're under no orders to maintain discipline. Despite your intentions, you're equally as disruptive as those you oppose. And I have been, in the past, I am slightly embarrassed to admit. There isn't a teacher-pupil hierarchy here, it's a completely flat social structure. Not only is it not necessary for you to try and keep the rowdy in order, it's actually destructive behaviour. Please, just ignore the disruptive elements. People don't want to read endless tirades that are about contributors, not the stories. This tirade included, I'm sure. I sometimes wish there was an alternative forum, or a private message facility, so we didn't have to bore the masses with meta posts. But there isn't. Loved your "Good Friday" joke, btw. Sincerely. Have a good weekend yourself.[/p][/quote]Thanks for that, froots. On reflection, you are right. The old teacher habits are in the blood. I can easily ignore the disruptives - it's that I have chosen not to in the past. But at the end of the day (I hate that cliché !) they're just playing me, I suppose. Into a new phase, then, for me. Let's call it.....(wait for it !.....) the Good Friday Agreement ! Lol ! Wait a minute...you just said "have a good weekend yourself" as if you were replying to what I said to Jesus....are you Jesus02 as well as Wayne5050 ? Ha ! Ha ! Go right ahead man, that's fine with me, just as long as you are not andysaints, or kingnotail. And please please don't be Downfader ! God no ! Or Graham Simmons ! Ahhhhhhhhhhhh....... ! ![/p][/quote]Eh? No, I was echoing what you said to Jesus! Wayne5050 was me, I was going to try and reason with you on the side, then decided not to bother, and just be reasonable as myself. I don't have any other sock puppets. froots
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12:17pm Sat 6 Jul 13

Jayne388 says...

froots wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
froots wrote:
Well, Jayne, maybe you need to realise that you're not in a classroom now. In a classroom, you as a teacher had an obligation to maintain order, and so forth. The pupils are there for a specific purpose, and it's the teacher's duty to ensure they get that - their education. Disruptive pupils get in the way of that, and of course, the teacher is obliged to deal with it.

That isn't true of the rest of the world, and it certainly isn't true of a message board. People are here for all manner of reasons, and you're under no orders to maintain discipline. Despite your intentions, you're equally as disruptive as those you oppose. And I have been, in the past, I am slightly embarrassed to admit.

There isn't a teacher-pupil hierarchy here, it's a completely flat social structure. Not only is it not necessary for you to try and keep the rowdy in order, it's actually destructive behaviour. Please, just ignore the disruptive elements. People don't want to read endless tirades that are about contributors, not the stories. This tirade included, I'm sure. I sometimes wish there was an alternative forum, or a private message facility, so we didn't have to bore the masses with meta posts. But there isn't.

Loved your "Good Friday" joke, btw. Sincerely. Have a good weekend yourself.
Thanks for that, froots.

On reflection, you are right. The old teacher habits are in the blood. I can easily ignore the disruptives - it's that I have chosen not to in the past. But at the end of the day (I hate that cliché !) they're just playing me, I suppose.

Into a new phase, then, for me. Let's call it.....(wait for it !.....) the Good Friday Agreement ! Lol !

Wait a minute...you just said "have a good weekend yourself" as if you were replying to what I said to Jesus....are you Jesus02 as well as Wayne5050 ? Ha ! Ha ! Go right ahead man, that's fine with me, just as long as you are not andysaints, or kingnotail. And please please don't be Downfader ! God no ! Or Graham Simmons ! Ahhhhhhhhhhhh.......


! !
Eh? No, I was echoing what you said to Jesus! Wayne5050 was me, I was going to try and reason with you on the side, then decided not to bother, and just be reasonable as myself. I don't have any other sock puppets.
I know. Only teasing !

I see andysaints is still up for a ruck. Let him stew !
[quote][p][bold]froots[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]froots[/bold] wrote: Well, Jayne, maybe you need to realise that you're not in a classroom now. In a classroom, you as a teacher had an obligation to maintain order, and so forth. The pupils are there for a specific purpose, and it's the teacher's duty to ensure they get that - their education. Disruptive pupils get in the way of that, and of course, the teacher is obliged to deal with it. That isn't true of the rest of the world, and it certainly isn't true of a message board. People are here for all manner of reasons, and you're under no orders to maintain discipline. Despite your intentions, you're equally as disruptive as those you oppose. And I have been, in the past, I am slightly embarrassed to admit. There isn't a teacher-pupil hierarchy here, it's a completely flat social structure. Not only is it not necessary for you to try and keep the rowdy in order, it's actually destructive behaviour. Please, just ignore the disruptive elements. People don't want to read endless tirades that are about contributors, not the stories. This tirade included, I'm sure. I sometimes wish there was an alternative forum, or a private message facility, so we didn't have to bore the masses with meta posts. But there isn't. Loved your "Good Friday" joke, btw. Sincerely. Have a good weekend yourself.[/p][/quote]Thanks for that, froots. On reflection, you are right. The old teacher habits are in the blood. I can easily ignore the disruptives - it's that I have chosen not to in the past. But at the end of the day (I hate that cliché !) they're just playing me, I suppose. Into a new phase, then, for me. Let's call it.....(wait for it !.....) the Good Friday Agreement ! Lol ! Wait a minute...you just said "have a good weekend yourself" as if you were replying to what I said to Jesus....are you Jesus02 as well as Wayne5050 ? Ha ! Ha ! Go right ahead man, that's fine with me, just as long as you are not andysaints, or kingnotail. And please please don't be Downfader ! God no ! Or Graham Simmons ! Ahhhhhhhhhhhh....... ! ![/p][/quote]Eh? No, I was echoing what you said to Jesus! Wayne5050 was me, I was going to try and reason with you on the side, then decided not to bother, and just be reasonable as myself. I don't have any other sock puppets.[/p][/quote]I know. Only teasing ! I see andysaints is still up for a ruck. Let him stew ! Jayne388
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12:35pm Sat 6 Jul 13

froots says...

Jayne388 wrote:
froots wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
froots wrote:
Well, Jayne, maybe you need to realise that you're not in a classroom now. In a classroom, you as a teacher had an obligation to maintain order, and so forth. The pupils are there for a specific purpose, and it's the teacher's duty to ensure they get that - their education. Disruptive pupils get in the way of that, and of course, the teacher is obliged to deal with it.

That isn't true of the rest of the world, and it certainly isn't true of a message board. People are here for all manner of reasons, and you're under no orders to maintain discipline. Despite your intentions, you're equally as disruptive as those you oppose. And I have been, in the past, I am slightly embarrassed to admit.

There isn't a teacher-pupil hierarchy here, it's a completely flat social structure. Not only is it not necessary for you to try and keep the rowdy in order, it's actually destructive behaviour. Please, just ignore the disruptive elements. People don't want to read endless tirades that are about contributors, not the stories. This tirade included, I'm sure. I sometimes wish there was an alternative forum, or a private message facility, so we didn't have to bore the masses with meta posts. But there isn't.

Loved your "Good Friday" joke, btw. Sincerely. Have a good weekend yourself.
Thanks for that, froots.

On reflection, you are right. The old teacher habits are in the blood. I can easily ignore the disruptives - it's that I have chosen not to in the past. But at the end of the day (I hate that cliché !) they're just playing me, I suppose.

Into a new phase, then, for me. Let's call it.....(wait for it !.....) the Good Friday Agreement ! Lol !

Wait a minute...you just said "have a good weekend yourself" as if you were replying to what I said to Jesus....are you Jesus02 as well as Wayne5050 ? Ha ! Ha ! Go right ahead man, that's fine with me, just as long as you are not andysaints, or kingnotail. And please please don't be Downfader ! God no ! Or Graham Simmons ! Ahhhhhhhhhhhh.......



! !
Eh? No, I was echoing what you said to Jesus! Wayne5050 was me, I was going to try and reason with you on the side, then decided not to bother, and just be reasonable as myself. I don't have any other sock puppets.
I know. Only teasing !

I see andysaints is still up for a ruck. Let him stew !
Heh heh, I put him in the 'special needs' category of poster.
[quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]froots[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]froots[/bold] wrote: Well, Jayne, maybe you need to realise that you're not in a classroom now. In a classroom, you as a teacher had an obligation to maintain order, and so forth. The pupils are there for a specific purpose, and it's the teacher's duty to ensure they get that - their education. Disruptive pupils get in the way of that, and of course, the teacher is obliged to deal with it. That isn't true of the rest of the world, and it certainly isn't true of a message board. People are here for all manner of reasons, and you're under no orders to maintain discipline. Despite your intentions, you're equally as disruptive as those you oppose. And I have been, in the past, I am slightly embarrassed to admit. There isn't a teacher-pupil hierarchy here, it's a completely flat social structure. Not only is it not necessary for you to try and keep the rowdy in order, it's actually destructive behaviour. Please, just ignore the disruptive elements. People don't want to read endless tirades that are about contributors, not the stories. This tirade included, I'm sure. I sometimes wish there was an alternative forum, or a private message facility, so we didn't have to bore the masses with meta posts. But there isn't. Loved your "Good Friday" joke, btw. Sincerely. Have a good weekend yourself.[/p][/quote]Thanks for that, froots. On reflection, you are right. The old teacher habits are in the blood. I can easily ignore the disruptives - it's that I have chosen not to in the past. But at the end of the day (I hate that cliché !) they're just playing me, I suppose. Into a new phase, then, for me. Let's call it.....(wait for it !.....) the Good Friday Agreement ! Lol ! Wait a minute...you just said "have a good weekend yourself" as if you were replying to what I said to Jesus....are you Jesus02 as well as Wayne5050 ? Ha ! Ha ! Go right ahead man, that's fine with me, just as long as you are not andysaints, or kingnotail. And please please don't be Downfader ! God no ! Or Graham Simmons ! Ahhhhhhhhhhhh....... ! ![/p][/quote]Eh? No, I was echoing what you said to Jesus! Wayne5050 was me, I was going to try and reason with you on the side, then decided not to bother, and just be reasonable as myself. I don't have any other sock puppets.[/p][/quote]I know. Only teasing ! I see andysaints is still up for a ruck. Let him stew ![/p][/quote]Heh heh, I put him in the 'special needs' category of poster. froots
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7:41pm Wed 10 Jul 13

martin65 says...

This is becoming a negative dirge of a forum keep on topic if you are capable.
These new jobs are great news hopefully with a slow recovery underway now we will see more work coming like the new morrisons in the city centre which should create around 400 jobs and if one big place springs up then others often follow.
As for manufacturing we do need some to drive the economy as services and the financial sector as important as they are aren't enough on their own we still need to sell stuff.
We do manufacture more than people realize the uk exports a lot of cars and defence products for instance around the world and our luxury brands are popular around the world we obviously will never compete with the far east who's costs are a fraction of ours but it doesn't mean we will have no manufacturing at all in the future.
This is becoming a negative dirge of a forum keep on topic if you are capable. These new jobs are great news hopefully with a slow recovery underway now we will see more work coming like the new morrisons in the city centre which should create around 400 jobs and if one big place springs up then others often follow. As for manufacturing we do need some to drive the economy as services and the financial sector as important as they are aren't enough on their own we still need to sell stuff. We do manufacture more than people realize the uk exports a lot of cars and defence products for instance around the world and our luxury brands are popular around the world we obviously will never compete with the far east who's costs are a fraction of ours but it doesn't mean we will have no manufacturing at all in the future. martin65
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