Ford chairman: axed staff will get 'generous' payments (From Hampshire Chronicle)

UK Plant: Heavily Unionised and average salary £35k.

Turkish plant: Low Union involvement and average salary £15k

Do the maths.

The Unions destroy anything they are involved in. They state they want the best for their members, but force businesses to move elsewhere so they can run at a profit.

It's time for people to ignore the Unions and be grateful of a job. If they don't like it, find another.

Yes, let's get skilled British workers on 15k a year. That's progress.

S Pance wrote:
UK Plant: Heavily Unionised and average salary £35k. Turkish plant: Low Union involvement and average salary £15k Do the maths.

You could build them with robots for even less, but robots don't buy vans!

Mr Greenwell and his cronies will get their generous Pay offs as well, as their jobs must be going too? Or does he get the Post of overseeing underpayed workers overseas?

IronLady2010 wrote:
The Unions destroy anything they are involved in. They state they want the best for their members, but force businesses to move elsewhere so they can run at a profit.

It's time for people to ignore the Unions and be grateful of a job. If they don't like it, find another.

I will never agree with you on that, this Country would have gone down hill a long time ago if all of the workforce had been forced to work for peanuts and had terrible conditions, there would be no disposable income, and a high rate of workers who be unfit for work at an earlier age. A Unions purpose is to ensure fairness in the workplace, the best Companies are the ones that work with the Unions, a satisfied workforce will always be more efficient than a disgruntled one. As in every walk of life there are bad Companies and bad Unions, which create bad impression, but they are in the minority and things are made worse by the Press coverage who need bad news to sell Newspapers.

sass wrote:

S Pance wrote:
UK Plant: Heavily Unionised and average salary £35k. Turkish plant: Low Union involvement and average salary £15k Do the maths.

You could build them with robots for even less, but robots don't buy vans!

For many years Motor manufacturers have used robotics on the Production lines, but it still needed skilled workers to operate them, it is the usual thing, there will be less workers, but those that are left will be well payed. I was given that ploy in the 1980's I retired recently and have still yet to see that come true in my Industry!

S Pance wrote:
UK Plant: Heavily Unionised and average salary £35k.

Turkish plant: Low Union involvement and average salary £15k

Do the maths.

As it was a Ford Factory where the unions fought to give women equal pay, I think YOU are the one who ought to realise that 'your' working conditions are as they are, pensions, benefits,maternity, health and safety, sickness/absence have ALL been negotiated by unions and set precedents in the private sector.

If you cared anything about your local area you would be extremely conerned about the wider impact rather than trying to 'crow' about something you seem to know very little about..... what about jobs for future generations too? or isn't that important to you... obviously not!

Ford today admitted it is set to lose £930m ($1.5bn) this year in the region.
And what was the profit that they made after they deducted this £930m, bet the Profit was still a few billion.
Pure greed of Fords part how to make bigger profit.

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

S Pance wrote:
UK Plant: Heavily Unionised and average salary £35k.

Turkish plant: Low Union involvement and average salary £15k

Do the maths.

As it was a Ford Factory where the unions fought to give women equal pay, I think YOU are the one who ought to realise that 'your' working conditions are as they are, pensions, benefits,maternity, health and safety, sickness/absence have ALL been negotiated by unions and set precedents in the private sector.

If you cared anything about your local area you would be extremely conerned about the wider impact rather than trying to 'crow' about something you seem to know very little about..... what about jobs for future generations too? or isn't that important to you... obviously not!

To be fair, S Pance is merely stating how it is, not commenting on whether it's right, or just, or moral.

Georgem wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

S Pance wrote:
UK Plant: Heavily Unionised and average salary £35k.

Turkish plant: Low Union involvement and average salary £15k

Do the maths.

As it was a Ford Factory where the unions fought to give women equal pay, I think YOU are the one who ought to realise that 'your' working conditions are as they are, pensions, benefits,maternity, health and safety, sickness/absence have ALL been negotiated by unions and set precedents in the private sector.

If you cared anything about your local area you would be extremely conerned about the wider impact rather than trying to 'crow' about something you seem to know very little about..... what about jobs for future generations too? or isn't that important to you... obviously not!

To be fair, S Pance is merely stating how it is, not commenting on whether it's right, or just, or moral.

Unions are the ones that got what you have got today with out them you soon be living like if it was the 1700's.
you should be thanking you Unions not condeming them, because they are the ones thats stopping you from returning back to the bosses golden years of the 1700's

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

S Pance wrote:
UK Plant: Heavily Unionised and average salary £35k.

Turkish plant: Low Union involvement and average salary £15k

Do the maths.

As it was a Ford Factory where the unions fought to give women equal pay, I think YOU are the one who ought to realise that 'your' working conditions are as they are, pensions, benefits,maternity, health and safety, sickness/absence have ALL been negotiated by unions and set precedents in the private sector.

If you cared anything about your local area you would be extremely conerned about the wider impact rather than trying to 'crow' about something you seem to know very little about..... what about jobs for future generations too? or isn't that important to you... obviously not!

To be fair, S Pance is merely stating how it is, not commenting on whether it's right, or just, or moral.

Unions are the ones that got what you have got today with out them you soon be living like if it was the 1700's.
you should be thanking you Unions not condeming them, because they are the ones thats stopping you from returning back to the bosses golden years of the 1700's

Have I condemned them? Are you reading these comments, or just posting random drivel wherever you feel like it?

I do wish the moronic Echo readership would get over it's belief that if someone hasn't expressed 100% agreement with their views, then they have automatically made a completely contrary point that must subsequently be attacked.