Residents oppose Sainsbury’s store (From Hampshire Chronicle)

True village life is becoming more rare as time goes by and change is inevitable. Take a look at Arlesford, Romsey, Petersfield for example.
The local fishmonger is right to be concerned about the effect on his business but in the real world the majority of Bishop Waltham residents will travel to Southampton / Winchester etc to buy their fish at one of these supermarkets.

A massive get over it to these people. The store will create jobs and people will be able to get goods cheaper than the local shops. All of the protesters will end up shopping there in the end. With the polish community leaving in there droves this is a welcome sign for them to maybe stay on. One fishmonger or 200 jobs? The protesters all seem oap nimby's and have nothing better to do as usual than complain!

Romsey is a small market town - its never been a village as far as I know. We could do with Sainsburys instead of Aldi!!!

Romsey needs a Dominos Pizza

to: 'Some Clutch'you say "1 fishmonger or 200 jobs" Surely you're not stupid enough to realise that there are more than one person currently providing retail to this community ALREADY. A small community relies on it's local trade and social interaction. If you transplant all this to a single 'under one roof' operation, the rest of a town simply becomes a souless ghost town - it's character gets destoyed. Fine if you like increased road traffic (though I prefer to walk amongst people)

I agreed with you spotburst, the worst is when an express tesco or sainsburys local opens up and writes off local shops including florist, offie, corner shop, butchers, bakers and candlestick makers. They even write off pubs. Although i bet all the people in the hall protesting mosey on down in their scrappage scheme cars to another area to shop in a hypermarket and cause pollution, noise and traffic.

I find this hard to believe, Hedge End has a huge Sainsburys, but in the village a butchers, florest etc etc and they do just fine. :-S

Sainsbury's leafleting 12,000 homes yet 2,500 people opposing is considered 'almost unanimous opposition'?

If opposition is so strong, why did only 20% of those opposed bother to turn up?

I agree with Georgem. No reason big supermarkets and small local businesses can't both be successful.

I wish we could replace the inadequate Budgens with Sainsburys.

The people of Bishops Waltham are held to ransom by the over priced low quality stock - that's if they can be bothered to put it on the shelves.

I agree with undertheeast. If a small Sainsbury's opened, a Sainsbury's Local I think they're called, it would only be good for the town. Budgens is rubbbish and all a small Sainsburys would do is to put them out of business. Theres no need for a large supermarket as there is one at Hedge End

Also, for someone from Brockenhampton to say that theres lots of polish people in Bishop's Waltham is absurd. Get your facts right son.

Isn't this just a teensie bit ridiculous? "The residents" don't want the store, why, exactly? Oh yeh, it'll kill off local retail trade. So don't shop there, apparently. Well, only if you shop there, people.

This is like saying "don't lower the price of cakes, it'll make me fat"

There are 340 members of a facebook group called NO THANKS SAINSBURYS who would probably feel rather annoyed at being described as a NIMBY OAP.

I am 30 years old and Bishops Waltham has always been my home.

12,000 households are going to be surveyed by Sainsbury's, yet there are only 2,700 households in BW. It is not a survey to discover what local residents think, it is a survey that will enable Sainsbury's to monopolise the area.

When we say it will kill off local trade we mean that people out of the area will drive to Sainsbury's, which will be outside of the town centre, do their shopping and leave. Currently people do use the supermarkets like the one in Hedge End, we are not disputing that, then they use the High Street for fresh produce like meat, bread, fish and veg, as well as the 3 convenience stores and small foodstore we already have. If Sainsbury's uses their massive bulk buying power the village shops will not be able to compete. It is one thing to manage against a store 10 minutes drive away but another to have it looming in the back yard.

I understand all the arguments for a Sainsbury's and I appreciate that opposition could look like a NIMBY response but ultimately there is no need for a 35,000sqft store in a small town when there is one 4.8 miles away.

This is crazy. As a busy Mum with two small children I don't have time to get my shopping from 5 different shops and I certainly don't want to pay the prices at Budgens.

Maybe having a supermarket in BW will attract young families to move there instead of these do-gooders who are too set in their ways to see much further than the end of their armchairs.

BWGirl wrote:
There are 340 members of a facebook group called NO THANKS SAINSBURYS who would probably feel rather annoyed at being described as a NIMBY OAP. I am 30 years old and Bishops Waltham has always been my home. 12,000 households are going to be surveyed by Sainsbury's, yet there are only 2,700 households in BW. It is not a survey to discover what local residents think, it is a survey that will enable Sainsbury's to monopolise the area. When we say it will kill off local trade we mean that people out of the area will drive to Sainsbury's, which will be outside of the town centre, do their shopping and leave. Currently people do use the supermarkets like the one in Hedge End, we are not disputing that, then they use the High Street for fresh produce like meat, bread, fish and veg, as well as the 3 convenience stores and small foodstore we already have. If Sainsbury's uses their massive bulk buying power the village shops will not be able to compete. It is one thing to manage against a store 10 minutes drive away but another to have it looming in the back yard. I understand all the arguments for a Sainsbury's and I appreciate that opposition could look like a NIMBY response but ultimately there is no need for a 35,000sqft store in a small town when there is one 4.8 miles away.

Could you please stop polluting the environment driving 4.8 miles to get food and use the local shops. Thanks

There are 340 members of a facebook group called NO THANKS SAINSBURYS who would probably feel rather annoyed at being described as a NIMBY OAP

And there are convicted rapists who would probably feel rather annoyed at being described as sex offenders.

G3orgem wrote:

BWGirl wrote:
There are 340 members of a facebook group called NO THANKS SAINSBURYS who would probably feel rather annoyed at being described as a NIMBY OAP. I am 30 years old and Bishops Waltham has always been my home. 12,000 households are going to be surveyed by Sainsbury's, yet there are only 2,700 households in BW. It is not a survey to discover what local residents think, it is a survey that will enable Sainsbury's to monopolise the area. When we say it will kill off local trade we mean that people out of the area will drive to Sainsbury's, which will be outside of the town centre, do their shopping and leave. Currently people do use the supermarkets like the one in Hedge End, we are not disputing that, then they use the High Street for fresh produce like meat, bread, fish and veg, as well as the 3 convenience stores and small foodstore we already have. If Sainsbury's uses their massive bulk buying power the village shops will not be able to compete. It is one thing to manage against a store 10 minutes drive away but another to have it looming in the back yard. I understand all the arguments for a Sainsbury's and I appreciate that opposition could look like a NIMBY response but ultimately there is no need for a 35,000sqft store in a small town when there is one 4.8 miles away.

Could you please stop polluting the environment driving 4.8 miles to get food and use the local shops. Thanks

I do.

Georgem wrote:

There are 340 members of a facebook group called NO THANKS SAINSBURYS who would probably feel rather annoyed at being described as a NIMBY OAP

And there are convicted rapists who would probably feel rather annoyed at being described as sex offenders.

I know i am.

The location of this supermarket being right behind a well established pond and wildlife area will ruin it. With increasing litter leading to termination to anextablished swan popluation.

Bishops Waltham is a beautiful Village and the building of this supermarket will destroy all that is Bishops Waltham.

Here's a link to the Facebook petition for all those who are interested:

http://www.facebook.
com/home.php#/group.
php?gid=75835604759&
ref=ts

The fact remains that since they built a sainsburys in Shirley people are now able to walk there rather than have to travel to tesco in Millbrook in a car. The sainsburys has not affected any business on the high street not even the fruit and veg. All you have got in that hall of protesters are small business owners who have been ripping off locals for years with overpriced goods as they know that a lot of people cant travel all the way to the nearest supermarket. Also lets not pretend that Bishops Waltham is an awesome place, mediocre at best.

Large foodstores destroy the small shop keepers - yes they can be more expensive but have a thought for those who do not have a car.

goard

Get it build and stop your whinging.
Not everyone in Waltham can afford the prices of "local" shops .. and whos really going to be affected anyway?? .. healthy competion is whats needed and i'm sure you will both retain your loyal rich customers..the high streets full of hair dressers and estate agents anyway..get it built..

Those who do not have cars can go to sainsburys when its built then dump the trolleys in the front garden. Small shop keepers have been rinsing it for years. They could maybe try their hand at selling clocks.

Budgens in Bishops Waltham is dire.
So those who can drive to Hedge end to do ALL their shopping.
If Sainsburys was in town, the fishmonger may well pick up some of their custom.
The only loser from a good supermarket bringing more people in to Bishops Waltham will be Budgens.

Ive started up a petition and a facebook page to save Budgens. There will be a meating in the phonebooth to air your views
s/w save-shop

A few more nimbys and this thread may make the notorious most read top ten. Maybe after deal or no deal

housewife wrote:
Budgens in Bishops Waltham is dire.
So those who can drive to Hedge end to do ALL their shopping.
If Sainsburys was in town, the fishmonger may well pick up some of their custom.
The only loser from a good supermarket bringing more people in to Bishops Waltham will be Budgens.

Exactly. Many's the time I've been in a supermarket, and thought "I'd much rather buy this joint of beef from a butcher, if there was one" or similar.

good to see a lot of young family people attended that meeting and not just a load of blue rinsers and busy bodies..up the saints

It is remarkable how people think sending a letter to 12000 people is the same as getting their agreement. If I send a letter to Irene Wintonian saying I can have all the money in her bank accoun she obviously will agree to it.
There is almost unanimous opposition to Sainsbury's in Bishops Waltham - what is amazing is that on thye strength of maybe 120 replies from their 12000 mailing Sainsburys are going to say they can draw meaningful conclusions. Also Supermarkets destroy jobs not create them. Every Supermarket kill off more jobs than they create. As for the argument that it is "poluting" to drive 4.8 miles to Hedge End - the store in Bishops Waltham the store in BW will have to have a catchment area many times that size as there are only about 2500 households in the town. The catchment area that Sainsbury's talk about is up to 15 miles. Every Sainsbury's store generates 1000 car journeys per week per 1000 square foot also each store generates about 300,000 lorry miles. Hardly offset by 2500 residents not driving 4.8 miles to Hedge End.

grumblerog wrote:
It is remarkable how people think sending a letter to 12000 people is the same as getting their agreement. If I send a letter to Irene Wintonian saying I can have all the money in her bank accoun she obviously will agree to it. There is almost unanimous opposition to Sainsbury's in Bishops Waltham - what is amazing is that on thye strength of maybe 120 replies from their 12000 mailing Sainsburys are going to say they can draw meaningful conclusions. Also Supermarkets destroy jobs not create them. Every Supermarket kill off more jobs than they create. As for the argument that it is "poluting" to drive 4.8 miles to Hedge End - the store in Bishops Waltham the store in BW will have to have a catchment area many times that size as there are only about 2500 households in the town. The catchment area that Sainsbury's talk about is up to 15 miles. Every Sainsbury's store generates 1000 car journeys per week per 1000 square foot also each store generates about 300,000 lorry miles. Hardly offset by 2500 residents not driving 4.8 miles to Hedge End.

It is called 'consultation'. You get notified, and if you don't like, you respond. If you sent me (and I'm not a she btw, at least not last time I checked) a letter asking for all the money in my account, I would respond in no uncertain terms telling you where to go!

As I mentioned before, if people are SO strongly opposed, why would only 120, as you suggest in your post, feel moved enough to respond to the leaflet?

I know several people who live in BW and they, as several posters on this site, are looking forward to not being limited to Budgens or having to drive further afield!

I also know of several people who work for various supermarkets who would not be employed if the omly shops were 'local' (often family run) businesses.

By your reckoning there are 2500 'households' in the town. Considering a majority of these constitute 3 or more people residing in there, it reinforces the fact that only 500 people turning out in opposition is considerably short of 'almost unanimous'.

The housing application took years due to opposition it lead to an appeal and now this is in its place as housing is not viable. If the residents oppose this so strongly maybe the next proposal will be a large wase disposal unit.

Hypocrisy at it's best. I wander how many of those at the meeting do their main shop in one of the big supermarkets....80, 90 per cent if not more i guess?? Typical nimby mentality. I guess a lot more jobs would be created than lost by this store opening in these tough times when many are out of work. Very selfish.

Easy Solution.... Those who are against Sainsburys in BW don't use the place. Those who want it can shop to their hearts desire. I am guessing that within months of a new store opening, the majority of those that were moaning and groaning about the store, will also be shopping there.

undertheeast wrote:
I wish we could replace the inadequate Budgens with Sainsburys. The people of Bishops Waltham are held to ransom by the over priced low quality stock - that's if they can be bothered to put it on the shelves.

Absolutely right - Budgens is a dreadful shop with hugely overpriced goods. They have a virtual monopoly in BW so they can charge what they like.
I can't see the small High Street shops losing out too much if Sainsburys is built - I'm sure most of us do our weekly shop outside of the village anyway, so we'll just use the new store instead of the Hedge End one, and continue to use the smaller shops for bits and bobs.
I think Sainsburys would be a good thing for Bishops Waltham - infinitely preferable to a load more houses!