Bishop's Waltham traders fear for their future (From Hampshire Chronicle)

Bishops waltham already has a Budgens, a supermarket in this lovely Picturesque village will spoil the landscape.

But on the other hand as bishops waltham has a large population of elderly this will benifit them greatly.

Also every spring/summer wildlife, swans in particular, from the ponds cross the road, the increase in traffic will become a detrement to these animals/birds.

Ah well then, build another supermarket, the governing and planning depts. will love that. Money, money, money!! It would be a good idea to start up a friendly society of 'small' shops, along a parade or an arcade and let us the shoppers decide where we want to shop. Having seen the disgraceful junk put into our food, and I have since learned the small butcher/grocer/green grocer/fishmonger/br
ead shop, in other Countries, provides a far better diet - let the big boys roll on - we can get better down the road. Other countries have wonderful local indoor markets, which, incidentally, the Council/or such, told us would happen with the early plans of Ocean Village - what a damp squib that was. Have it in mind tho' no big profit because it will take a year or two to gain confidence in the shoppers - go on 'small' shops' give it a try. May I add there are other towns in this Country that have, over the years, done just that. Get together, see just what other parts of the country are doing - don't just sit there - beat the moguls of the food trade.

goard

Bring it on... Bishops waltham is the largest town in a rural area, the villagers in the surrounding area would really benefit from this. Many are only easily able to get to BW using the public transport links. Abbey Mill is tucked away so would not spoil the landscape. As for ducks , what about all the other wildlife in the area which is killed through people having to travel to Fareham, Waterlooville or Hedge End to shop. Bishops Walthams main food shops are Budgens and Co-op both are small with limited ranges of products, the rest of Bw seems to be made up of hairdressers, off-licences and estate agents. The few specialist food shops should not be effected by the opening of a sainsburys. Why do people encourage change with one hand then get all up in arms when their local area has to change.

enidx wrote:
Bring it on... Bishops waltham is the largest town in a rural area, the villagers in the surrounding area would really benefit from this. Many are only easily able to get to BW using the public transport links. Abbey Mill is tucked away so would not spoil the landscape. As for ducks , what about all the other wildlife in the area which is killed through people having to travel to Fareham, Waterlooville or Hedge End to shop. Bishops Walthams main food shops are Budgens and Co-op both are small with limited ranges of products, the rest of Bw seems to be made up of hairdressers, off-licences and estate agents. The few specialist food shops should not be effected by the opening of a sainsburys. Why do people encourage change with one hand then get all up in arms when their local area has to change.

As for ducks , what about all the other wildlife in the area which is killed through people having to travel to Fareham, Waterlooville or Hedge End to shop.

Because more people will be travelling to bishops waltham instead of Hedge end, Wichester, etc.. thus increasing the risk to this lovely pond area. Not forgeting to mention the increase in litter to this area.

There is absolutely no need for a larger supermarket in this rural market town. These stores decimate communities and in particular the spirit of community. The store at Hedge-end is there to serve the wider community another is not needed here. Another instance of greed which will do nothing but damage the local and social environment without adding any real value. I really hope these future plans are never realised.

Bishops Waltham is fast becoming an anti-social behaviour hotspot. Maybe the construction of a bigger structure with brighter lights will encourage some of the offenders towards the light and away from the car parks!

It's called supply and demand. Most people do not want to pay the high prices charged by small shops.

Waltham is a nice place and Sainsbury's will kill it as a village. Everyone will head in from Droxford, Botley and Swanmore.

After all remember Hedge End prior to the so called superstores? It was quiet and now its a litter ridden area with anti social yobs everywhere. Keep Waltham Sainsbury free!

these villages demonstrate against houses being built on the land and this is the result

wilsamsaints wrote:
these villages demonstrate against houses being built on the land and this is the result

100% correct. If locals would have supported housing it would have been built by now.

If I was them I would take a Sainsbury’s today as it this fails it will be subject to a waste disposal application next time or worse. As our economy slumps land use gets more anti-social.

Ian24 wrote:

wilsamsaints wrote: these villages demonstrate against houses being built on the land and this is the result

100% correct. If locals would have supported housing it would have been built by now. If I was them I would take a Sainsbury’s today as it this fails it will be subject to a waste disposal application next time or worse. As our economy slumps land use gets more anti-social.

You are both 100% incorrect.
The developer already had planning permission for the site but decided to flip the land to Sainsburys due to the prevailing market conditions. Try applying some fact to your posts.

I like many people these days, am concerned about the disappearance of small local stores due to giant
retailers opening their stores close by. And, being a chef, I want to be able to source fresh local ingredients.
So, last week end, with friends coming for dinner, I thought my local shops (I live in BW) would be ideal.
What a disappointment! With the exception of the fish monger, which had an excellent selection of stock, and friendly,knowledgeab
le staff, I found the whole experience disheartening.
I won't name names, but for an example, in a shop selling fruit and veg, I would expect the staff to know what parsley looks like!
If the traders of Waltham and other similar villages want to fend of the big chains, might I suggest that
they look at their selves, and up their game to offer a level of product quality, choice and level of service that
the big supermarkets can't compete with.
Until this happens, up and down the country, the Sainsbury/Tesco bandwagon will roll relentlessly on.

Ted Rogers wrote:

Ian24 wrote:

wilsamsaints wrote: these villages demonstrate against houses being built on the land and this is the result

100% correct. If locals would have supported housing it would have been built by now. If I was them I would take a Sainsbury’s today as it this fails it will be subject to a waste disposal application next time or worse. As our economy slumps land use gets more anti-social.

You are both 100% incorrect.
The developer already had planning permission for the site but decided to flip the land to Sainsburys due to the prevailing market conditions. Try applying some fact to your posts.

try finding out when the first application was put in. How long it took to get and how much time and money this may have wasted then comment on facts. The first application was before Barratts time long before.

Ian24 wrote:

Ted Rogers wrote:

Ian24 wrote:

wilsamsaints wrote: these villages demonstrate against houses being built on the land and this is the result

100% correct. If locals would have supported housing it would have been built by now. If I was them I would take a Sainsbury’s today as it this fails it will be subject to a waste disposal application next time or worse. As our economy slumps land use gets more anti-social.

You are both 100% incorrect. The developer already had planning permission for the site but decided to flip the land to Sainsburys due to the prevailing market conditions. Try applying some fact to your posts.

try finding out when the first application was put in. How long it took to get and how much time and money this may have wasted then comment on facts. The first application was before Barratts time long before.

Ian, you mis-informed individual, here are some facts for you that cannot be glossed over by your pathetic attempt at justification regarding first applications.
This land was originally used for commercial purposes, some companies having traded there for some time and with existing leases from the landowner. Are you saying that to pass planning to convert from commercial to residential use with existing tenants would be straight-forward and easy and quick?
You do not think that consideration for, and negotiation with such tenants would have taken place? Are you saying that a site that contains a building of historic interest wouldn't have been subject to serious scrutiny?
Come on stop trying to justify your previous statement that is 100%incorrect

Oooooh Ted - put your handbag away!

I guess Ted was an objector and now only has himself to blame. x x x x

Ian24 wrote:
I guess Ted was an objector and now only has himself to blame. x x x x

Wrong again! Still can't deal in fact? Keep playing the game blame though, far easier than actually engaging your brain.

Ted Rogers - "game blame" ah ha ha ha.
Stop trying to be clever, it really doesn't suit you!
100% Correct.

The original planning application was way back in 2001 - most of the tenants if not all were on very short term leases i.e. 3 months and had known for sometime that the site was up for a housing planning application. There was a huge amount of costs involved as it went to appeal and a public inquiry was held for 3 days by a government inspector and the appeal/planning was granted. The site was sold - the demolition of the tin shacks/asbestos buildings began and the contaminated land turned over and left for 8 weeks now turning into forever.......the mill building itself is apparently not a listed building and with the roof removed has been left exposed to the elements and is rapidly deteriorating - wcc has visited the site to inspect the building as it has powers under the conservation area......but will they use them? Meanwhile as to the speculation of sainsburys.....one suspects that this land was offloaded by a desperate builder along with other sites and probably will be resold when the markets good again as the site is worth considerably more when the markets good as housing.